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How well does this guy call the fight?
It's shameless at this point. People accepted and moved on with the excuses about the Mayweather Jr. fight and the excuses there were amazing. Hatton wasn't treated FAIRLY by the referee!, because let me remind you of what's fair in M.E.N. ARENA. Holding, headbutting, rabbit punching, holding and hitting, random clinches, intentional lowblows, elbows, knees, arm twisting and shoving is all acceptable and fair, it's a FIGHTING STYLE!. :lol: Like we are retards that don't know boxing. I swear if he literally pulled his gloves out that night against Tszyu and grabbed Tszyu from his balls he would have gotten a knockdown point for it. Some drunken idiots actually think here he was putting on a LEGENDARY performance that night and think others believe it too.
Hatton got iced because he ran into Manny Pacquiao, end the pathetic excuses please. Only a while ago he was all praises and love for how Mayweather Sr. accepted to train him and showed "glimpses" of improvement against Malignaggi. But against Pacquiao all that backfired?, let me guess, because Pacquiao is no Malignaggi, huh?
A bit over the top, I don't think Hatton made all those infringements. Low blow yes, constant holding yes, the odd rabbit punch yes. Overall its fair to say he got away with a lot - too much IMO but this has become the norm for Dave Parris one of the most outrageously bad referees in any sport in history.
The rest is true. Pacquiao and Mayweather was five levels above him, the excuses from his camp on both occasions were very weak and bad sports.
Olu G. Rotimi
05-31-2009, 04:34 PM
A bit over the top, I don't think Hatton made all those infringements. Low blow yes, constant holding yes, the odd rabbit punch yes. Overall its fair to say he got away with a lot - too much IMO but this has become the norm for Dave Parris one of the most outrageously bad referees in any sport in history.
The rest is true. Pacquiao and Mayweather was five levels above him, the excuses from his camp on both occasions were very weak and bad sports.
TFFP you know I love to disagree with you as a point of principle however Hatton and his team and fans complaining about the rough stuff PBF gave him in their contest was pathetic and laughable especially viewed in the context of the Hatton versus Tyzu fight as well as numerous Hatton fights.
Indeed. It is quite staggering they had the nerve to complain about referees for those of us that wonder quite what Hatton is allowed to get away with. But I genuinely don't think Hatton realises he gets away with a lot, he has compared himself with Julio Cesar Chavez in style on more than one occasion. It's an extreme case of delusion I feel.
Olu G. Rotimi
05-31-2009, 04:48 PM
Indeed. It is quite staggering they had the nerve to complain about referees for those of us that wonder quite what Hatton is allowed to get away with. But I genuinely don't think Hatton realises he gets away with a lot, he has compared himself with Julio Cesar Chavez in style on more than one occasion. It's an extreme case of delusion I feel.
Unfortunately you are right about their delusion. Hatton has got no where near the skill level that Chavez and Duran had.
trotter
05-31-2009, 05:04 PM
TFFP you know I love to disagree with you as a point of principle however Hatton and his team and fans complaining about the rough stuff PBF gave him in their contest was pathetic and laughable especially viewed in the context of the Hatton versus Tyzu fight as well as numerous Hatton fights.
Did people complain about 'rough stuff'?
I complained about Cortez, he was poor IMO. Broke the action far too soon, to a point that was almost suspicious. He had been played good and proper by the Mayweather camp.
If people think Parris was poor in the Tszyu fight, that doesn't change the fact that Cortez was poor in the Floyd fight (much worse IMO)...
I think you've misunderstood what people actually complained about after the Floyd fight
How was he worse? Cortez let nothing go and Parris let everything go. They were both just as bad as each other on each end of the spectrum.
Parris definitely had more impact on the result though, if Hatton wasn't mauling him to death and Tszyu got a fair crack he firstly wouldn't have been worn down as quick, and secondly he'd have more opportunity to get punches off in his range.
trotter
05-31-2009, 05:15 PM
I think both results were clear cut enough regardless
Cortez was most annoying because some of his antics were actually wrong; they can be proved to be wrong, no interpretation needed.
He DID break the action once before they even touched - proof positive that he went in with the intention to stop Hatton 'working' inside
That's on the borderline of biased officiating in my opinion and I'm not usually one to buy into the conspiracy theory crap
Proven to be wrong in what respect?
Yeah it was clear cut because Hatton had his complete and utter way in that fight, and it was STILL relatively close on points. Had there been even a slightly more forceful referee (which is strange..considering Parris usually is :roll:) things would have been a whole lot closer. If the ref was a little more proactive in breaking up untidy work Tszyu would have had more in the tank.
Hatton was getting whooped inside and out against Mayweather it made no difference at all.
Very good point TFFP the Hatton fans cannot accept that Hatton was being duffed up good and proper on the inside.........If anything Cortez jumping in was saving Hatton from a beating on the inside and that favoured Hatton.
Olu G. Rotimi
05-31-2009, 05:28 PM
The truth of the matter is that Cortez had no impact on the fights outcome. PBF is actually a better fighter than Hatton on the inside. Hatton and his team thought they would rough him up on the inside but they failed to realise that PBF is from the Mid West were the best fighters in the US tend to come from. The result is that PBF taught Hatton a few more of the dark arts on the inside. Put it this way there is a reason Uncle Roger Mayweather was given the name "Mexican Killer " in his fighting days.
GazOC
05-31-2009, 05:42 PM
Very good point TFFP the Hatton fans cannot accept that Hatton was being duffed up good and proper on the inside.........If anything Cortez jumping in was saving Hatton from a beating on the inside and that favoured Hatton.
Can you please stop lazily lumping all "Hatton fans" together as a group when you discuss what you'd like to think they feel about a given subject?:huh
Their minds are all the same, destroyed by lager.
GazOC
05-31-2009, 05:46 PM
Their minds are all the same, destroyed by lager.
hic!!
trotter
05-31-2009, 05:50 PM
Proven to be wrong in what respect?
In that he broke them before they even engaged on at least one occasion
That could be put down as a single mistake in the fight, like Parris has been making very often lately.
You couldn't really say his overall stance of being quick to break things up can be proven as incorrect. As you boys always tell me, its an experienced refs interpretation of the rules!
GazOC
05-31-2009, 05:54 PM
Is this the point in the pantomime where someone brings up Cortezs handling of Hopkins-Calzaghe a few brief months later?
No because then I'm sure we'll get some pedantic person bringing up DP's recent performances.
Ricky Hatton... it's official he is the only boxer worth talking about on this whole fucking forum.:dead
mrbassie
05-31-2009, 06:29 PM
Don't understand what was so bad about Cortez, if you look at the beginning of the fight they were bothe starting rough. Hatton did a mini Tyson-Botha to Mayweather, Mayweather was headlocking him, it was very untidy. Cortez got them under control and when they clinched he broke them up like he's supposed to.
NO MAS
05-31-2009, 07:02 PM
In Hatton v Tsyzu, Hatton did not start to pull away until the 8th round IMO...it was the first time that he had never really had it all his own way... for me that is the night he peaked.. there is a strongh debate that he was never the same fighter after that fight...??? :think
Regarding Cortez.... We have to face it that PBF beat Hatton in every aspect of his fight plan... he was stronger on the inside, he had quicker handspeed, he exploited Hatton's aggresion to which Freddie Roach made the sole objective of his fight plan for Pac Man...
We have to ask where was Joe Cortez when that check Left Hook landed flush on the button??? He was on the other side of the ring... :think
With the exception of the Magic Man fight I have been to all Hatton's fights in Las Vegas and most of his fights over here... there is no arguement for me with Cortez.. he did what he did and PBF did what he does best... back up everything he says :good
GazOC
05-31-2009, 07:07 PM
I don't think you'll find many (any?) people claiming that Cortez altered the result of Hatton-Mayweather but to use the fact that Cortez was on the other side of the ring when the KO punch landed doesn't mean that he didn't affect events adversely for Hatton prior to, and leading to, that point.
NO MAS
05-31-2009, 07:22 PM
I don't think you'll find many (any?) people claiming that Cortez altered the result of Hatton-Mayweather but to use the fact that Cortez was on the other side of the ring when the KO punch landed doesn't mean that he didn't affect events adversely for Hatton prior to, and leading to, that point.
That is a fair comment.... I do think that PBF had his number all night long though :yep
GazOC
05-31-2009, 07:23 PM
No argument there mate!!!!
NO MAS
05-31-2009, 07:35 PM
No argument there mate!!!!
Nice to see there are a few of us on here that are willing to accept each others point of view :good
Which Spion Kop is your location? There are a few? :think
GazOC
05-31-2009, 07:39 PM
I'm a Liverpool fan, so its Anfields Spion Kop.:D
NO MAS
05-31-2009, 07:47 PM
I'm a Liverpool fan, so its Anfields Spion Kop.:D
You will be happy after Saturday's result then!!! I am a Manchester City fan... smash and grab at our place last season by you lot!!! :roll:
mrbassie
05-31-2009, 08:17 PM
In Hatton v Tsyzu, Hatton did not start to pull away until the 8th round IMO...it was the first time that he had never really had it all his own way... for me that is the night he peaked.
Pull away, really? I had Tszyu a point up after the eleventh. Was the eighth when the low blow happened? Hatton won everything after that, it took it all out of Tszyu. That ******ted a point deduction imo. I agree though that that was Hatton's peak, I really thought he'd get battered quite quickly but he proved me wrong and made me respect that he was better than I thought.
GazOC
05-31-2009, 08:25 PM
"The" low blow happened in retaliation to Zoo low blowing Hatton for the 3rd time without the <ahem!> "apparently" pro-Hatton Dave Parris saying or doing anything about it.
Its been a while since I scored that fight but I think even Hattons worst enemy would say he was ahead at the time of stoppage.
mrbassie
05-31-2009, 08:27 PM
"The" low blow happened in retaliation to Zoo low blowing Hatton for the 3rd time without the <ahem!> "apparently" pro-Hatton Dave Parris saying or doing anything about it.
Its been a while since I scored that fight but I think even Hattons worst enemy would say he was ahead at the time of stoppage.
Come on he hit him on the top of the belt line, Hatton smacked him in the bollocks, not the same thing. Well I'm not Hatton's worst enemy, Tszyu just won one more round.
NO MAS
05-31-2009, 08:32 PM
Pull away, really? I had Tszyu a point up after the eleventh. Was the eighth when the low blow happened? Hatton won everything after that, it took it all out of Tszyu. That ******ted a point deduction imo. I agree though that that was Hatton's peak, I really thought he'd get battered quite quickly but he proved me wrong and made me respect that he was better than I thought.
When I was at the fight I might have agreed with you about Tsyzu been a point up... I was shitting it going to the cards... When I have watcehd it back I think that Hatton got more shots off but Tsyzu was conservative with is punches and really old manned Hatton for a lot of the fight...
I think that Hatton when he came up against anything that was really World Class he came up short on both occasion PBF and Pac Man...
Although he should never have fought PBF at 147.. and I think that PBF would have beat him at 140 as well. The timeliness of his fight with Tsyzu was about right.. taking nothin away from him... Tyszu was past his best,, not the same man that tamed Judah so easily IMO
I also think that if Hatton would have boxed Witter back in the day he would have got beaten... Witter was the banana skin they would not go near with a barge pole... They rolled the dice with Magee too, but it was about time that they had to start lifting the bar...What about the Thaxton fight??... if Hatton had not been a FW fighter do you think that the fight might have been stopped if it was anyone else.??... 3 real hotspots for me
Ricky Hatton has done exceptionally well and I have had some great nights out watching him so I cannot complain one bit... :good
GazOC
05-31-2009, 08:33 PM
Hatton got caught low at least 3 times, saw his arse that Parris didn't pull Zoo up for it and took matters into his own hands. Not Marquess of Queensberry, granted but.....
We'll have to agree to disagree on the scoring but you don't hear many people saying Zoo was ahead at the time of stoppage and Zoo obviously felt he was behind or else he would have tried to stick the last round out.
NO MAS
05-31-2009, 08:37 PM
Hatton got caught low at least 3 times, saw his arse that Parris didn't pull Zoo up for it and took matters into his own hands. Not Marquess of Queensberry, granted but.....
We'll have to agree to disagree on the scoring but you don't hear many people saying Zoo was ahead at the time of stoppage and Zoo obviously felt he was behind or else he would have tried to stick the last round out.
I agree, a man of his experience would not neeed his corner to tell him that :yep
What do you think of my 3 real hotspots in my previous post??
GazOC
05-31-2009, 08:39 PM
No mas,
Fair comment on the Mayweather fight and Witter is obviously a matter of opinion but to call the Thaxton win into question is just going down the patented "Frank ****** consipracy theory" road so loved by Brit internet boxing fans and just puts needless doubt on a very well executed win for a young Hatton. The Magee fight wasn't particulary close either after the initial knockdown but def. showed that Hatton didn't like southies or counterpunchers!!!!
sitiyzal
05-31-2009, 09:29 PM
You can give a strong arguement who was the worse ref in either Tszyu-Hatton & Mayweather-Hatton. Claiming one result was down to the ref & the other due to one guy being the better fighter should always be ridiculed accordingly.
GazOC
05-31-2009, 10:01 PM
FWIW I don't think the ref altered the result in either fight.
Olu G. Rotimi
06-01-2009, 06:45 AM
FWIW I don't think the ref altered the result in either fight.
I agree that the ref did not alter the fight results in either case. Tyzu proved he was the better boxer in the fight with Hatton however ultimately he lost because he was not able to make the adjustments necessary to deal with Hatton's crude tactics which were effective on the night.
Let's be honest it was one of the dirtiest performances in a long time. I havn't seen anything to match that on a consistent basis since. It was literally 11 rounds of holding arms, low blows and rabbit punching.
Even if we had a slightly more proactive ref in the fight, not even as strict as I'd have liked, it would have been interesting to see how that played out because it was a matter of a few points even with the refereeing being favourable towards Hatton's style of fight.
PrideOfWales
06-01-2009, 07:13 AM
People forget that Tszyu hadn't been in a competetive fight for years before that night in Manchester. Hatton was at the top of his game and was allowed to "work" on the inside tiring the old man out. Hatton did what he had to do. He couldn't beat Tszyu any other way than in the way it happened. At that point in time, it was how it was. Boxers have been allowed to get away with similar sorts of things before and will continue to in the future. It certainly had an impact on the style of the fight and made it hard work for the older man. I don't know if Hatton would have lost if Parris (or equivilent) wasn't in the ring that night but Tszyu wasn't good enough to flatten Hatton given what happened.
Mayweather had Hatton in his pocket all night long and toyed with him. The refereeing in that fight is irrelevent... Hatton would have been stopped if he was given a 121 point headstart.
Charles187
06-01-2009, 07:17 AM
Wow this fight has been over analysed over the years! Just out of interest (not a loaded question at all) has Tszyu ever made comment on the ref or the result or Hattons tactics? I know he excepted the defeat with grace on the night, just have never heard him talk much about it after.
GazOC
06-01-2009, 07:53 AM
Nah, theres never been any excuses or complaints from Zoo about that fight, he obviously realizes what pro boxing is about and accepts he lost his title in a tough fight. He was also pretty damn "competitive" only 6 months before the Hatton fight when he KTFO Sharmba Mitchell (who I believe was his number 1 contender at the time).
widdy
06-01-2009, 08:27 AM
Nah, theres never been any excuses or complaints from Zoo about that fight, he obviously realizes what pro boxing is about and accepts he lost his title in a tough fight. He was also pretty damn "competitive" only 6 months before the Hatton fight when he KTFO Sharmba Mitchell (who I believe was his number 1 contender at the time).
nope,i dont remember him complaining to anyone,he was a dirty bastard in this fight as well,boxings a hard buissiness,and whoever thinks otherwise need to go back to watching that WWF pantomime.:nut
some of these people on here spoil there boxing knowledge by the downright hating on hatton,:huhwho is regarded by boxers,pundits,and people in the knowhow to be one of the best to come out of our country:happy
"TKO"
06-01-2009, 12:25 PM
Ricky Hatton... it's official he is the only boxer worth talking about on this whole fucking forum.:dead
Indeed. Just logged on for the first time in a few days (Im in Frankfurt on holiday at the mo). I was hoping to read some informed discussion on the weekend and upcoming fights. What do I get? The same old boring, cueless idiotsbanging on about the same issues. If you don't like Ricky Hatton or if you didn't like the refereeing in the Tszyu fight then fine. However, the fight was four years ago now. Posting new threads dedicated do trying to do the performance down is just flipping weird, the behaviour of a psychotic weirdo. Which I know, unfortunately, this forum has its share of.
mrbassie
06-01-2009, 01:00 PM
some of these people on here spoil there boxing knowledge by the downright hating on hatton,:huhwho is regarded by boxers,pundits,and people in the knowhow to be one of the best to come out of our country:happy
this isn't the general forum, we shouldn't have to resort to moronic catchphrases like 'hater'. Hatton's a nice guy, why would anyone hate him? most of us have never even met him.
The flipside to your comment is that the forum is full of guys who think he's above any form of criticism whatsoever.
trotter
06-01-2009, 01:12 PM
this isn't the general forum, we shouldn't have to resort to moronic catchphrases like 'hater'. Hatton's a nice guy, why would anyone hate him? most of us have never even met him.
The flipside to your comment is that the forum is full of guys who think he's above any form of criticism whatsoever.
Nonsense, I'd say there are none of those.
There's plenty who are very, very unbalanced the other way though.
And as to the hate... read the posts, it's not a strong term at all given what gets said, it's perfectly justified in plenty of cases.
"TKO"
06-01-2009, 01:35 PM
Nonsense, I'd say there are none of those.
There's plenty who are very, very unbalanced the other way though.
And as to the hate... read the posts, it's not a strong term at all given what gets said, it's perfectly justified in plenty of cases.
What else would you called someone who starts new threads trying to discredit a guy's biggest win four years after it happened, creates aliases solely for the purpose of backing up his own criticisms and starts AT LEAST one thread every week (a lot more in the run up to one of his fights) dedicated solely to slating the fighter over something or other. Somebody who spends hours trawling the net for transcripts of his interviews in the hope of being able to make cheap criticisms over something or other which is completely irrelevant in the scheme of things )oh look he's talking in the third person again...)
The term hater describes someone who has an irrational and distorted dislike of someone based on illogical emotions (envy etc...) and will therefore automatically take the opposite perspective in everything in an attempt to do them down.
There are some objective fans who don't like his fighting style. Fair enough. Some find his interview style annoying or thing his opposition hasn't been all it could be. Again, fair enough. But when it gets to the stage of automatically taking the critical perspective and not only that but starting new threads especially for the purpose of creating new criticisms of the fighter and everyone around him (His girlfriend's tears aren't real, his mum's annoying, his brother doesn't deserve to be on the card, yadda yadda yadda) sorry but that is hating. I don't see how you can call it anything else. Even to the point of looking for hidden meanings in everything he does and making completelv baseless claims that his personality is fake.
You all know which poster's I mean, the OP; Scurla, Scar, retard Betty, TFFP and there are another couple of dozen or so who definitely meet the "hater" description.
widdy
06-01-2009, 02:17 PM
this isn't the general forum, we shouldn't have to resort to moronic catchphrases like 'hater'. Hatton's a nice guy, why would anyone hate him? most of us have never even met him.
The flipside to your comment is that the forum is full of guys who think he's above any form of criticism whatsoever.
what eh,who why,are u taking the piss.
this is just like the gf,theres people on here who can't see through there hate filled glasses, ie haters,
even the diehard hatton fans will know he is not elite level,but top world class defo
the tread starter is one of the worst,i think hattons shagged his pet dog.
what do u call people who always say hatton can't fight,(which he can)can't box,just hugs and holds,and has been lucky never to have been disqualified for all his fouling,mate these people are one of two things
1 haters of the worst kind
2 know fuck all about boxing:hi:
Fat Joe
06-01-2009, 02:25 PM
The main reason Hatton gets criticised is the gaping chasm between reality and what comes out of his mouth.
GazOC
06-01-2009, 02:31 PM
Ah!! So THATS why we're discussing a 4 year old fight for the 799th time???
mrbassie
06-01-2009, 02:47 PM
what eh,who why,are u taking the piss.
this is just like the gf,theres people on here who can't see through there hate filled glasses, ie haters,
I meant that we should be a little more articulate.
widdy
06-01-2009, 02:57 PM
I meant that we should be a little more articulate.
hold on,are you my old RE teacher from barden,Mr Bass.
sorry mate only joking,unfortunately my volcabuary consists of building trade banter:good
Betty Swollocks
06-02-2009, 12:22 AM
One of the dirtiest performances of all time. Hatton needed everything in his favour that night to win..and even then it was very tight when old Tszyu quit...Wicky was behind before that final and deliberate crushing low blow in the 8th or so.
in the lead up to the Pacman fight
'I'm not saying i'm the best fighter of all time (gee Wicky...that's really humble of you...cheers for that)..but if I can be remembered as one of the best them i'll be happy with that'
:roll::lol::lol::lol:
Farmboxer
06-02-2009, 03:14 AM
The referee helped Hatton win the fight, if not for the ref Hatton would have lost the fight. He was very dirty, was holding, head butting, etc.
GazOC
06-02-2009, 06:47 AM
One of the dirtiest performances of all time. Hatton needed everything in his favour that night to win..and even then it was very tight when old Tszyu quit...Wicky was behind before that final and deliberate crushing low blow in the 8th or so.
in the lead up to the Pacman fight
'I'm not saying i'm the best fighter of all time (gee Wicky...that's really humble of you...cheers for that)..but if I can be remembered as one of the best them i'll be happy with that'
:roll::lol::lol::lol:
That quote was actually "I'm not saying I'm the best British boxer of all time, but if I can be remembered as one of the best I'll be happy...."
Just when I thought your credibility of this subject couldn't get any worse....:lol::patsch
Beeston Brawler
06-02-2009, 06:54 AM
That quote was actually "I'm not saying I'm the best British boxer of all time, but if I can be remembered as one of the best I'll be happy...."
Just when I thought your credibility of this subject couldn't get any worse....:lol::patsch
Where would you rank him in terms of British fighters..... inside or outside the top 10?
I could probably find a place for him in there.....
GazOC
06-02-2009, 07:04 AM
I think he'd sneak in at 9 or 10, maybe just fail to make it at 11 or 12. I suppose a big part is what you rank on. He's actually accomplished quite a lot as far as a British boxer is concerned but people will use stuff like "skillsets" to justify a lower ranking.....
"TKO"
06-02-2009, 05:30 PM
That quote was actually "I'm not saying I'm the best British boxer of all time, but if I can be remembered as one of the best I'll be happy...."
Just when I thought your credibility of this subject couldn't get any worse....:lol::patsch
Try his credibility on any f***ing subject!!!
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