Mr ibo

[ashley]

Hi Phil....haven't seen you around since the Mundine VS Geale fight....i understand you must be busy

Can you let us know what's going on with the protest?

Also the process that the IBO goes through to handle things like this

I know its a bit hot for you to comment but can you let us know the process, facts and possible outcomes?

Cheers

[Sox]

He's on this tonight, along with Geale and the wanker.

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[julian]

Phil,

What do you think would happen if Choc fought for a WBA title and Khoder demanded an IBO judge that wasn't a WBA member.

I think Khoder would be told where to go, which is what you should have done.

I don't dispute Milhams card, just the piss poor way it came about.

If your feeling a bit of heat right now, you brought it on yourself.

Yes you put on a world title fight, yes you held it in your home state, yes it's a feather in your cap, but at what price?

You allowed them to dictate, and you danced to their tune.

You put on a great fight Phil, but in my opinion it's cost you your credibility.

[LeonMcS]

And next time your on the radio keep those kids under control!

[ashley]

Missed the show :patsch

So in short......whats the story with the protest?

[Sox]

And next time your on the radio keep those kids under control!
:rofl:rofl:yep:yep

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Missed the show :patsch So in short......whats the story with the protest?

Heard the show, and if I heard correctly:

1/ Geale's camp have 30 days to protest in writing.
2/ Three independent judges can view a recording of the fight and if all 3 gauge Geale to be the winner they can call for a mandatory re-match.
3/ Phil raised the issue of Geale's 2nd round KD, and Mundine's later slip/KD as possible issues for the three independent judges, and things they might perhaps view differently to the judges on the night.

Speaking of mandatory re-matches, Geale wasn't certain, but seemed to think there was a re-match clause in the contract for the fight the other night. He went on to say that if Mundine doesn't want to fight him again it just won't happen.

IMO Mundine won't go anywhere near Geale again - too much to lose for little possible gain.

[Phil Austin]

Ashley - Hi mate - it didn't help that my laptop got the win antivirus and it killed everything so I have not done much of anything TBH! Once we receive the protest the letter and DVD of the fight will be sent to head office and the fight then sent on to 3 judges who will then score the fight with the volume off. If all 3 judges score the fight in the favour of Geale then a re-match will be mandated. The other points of the protest will also be scrutinised and a decision handed down. Regardless of anything I want to see a rematch as it was such a good close fight, and Geale was maginificent in all departments in and out of the riung since the day he won our belt IMO.
Julian - you do know that an official (as long as he is not a board member) can be a member of more than one organisation don't you? If you feel I have no credibility then that is your opinion. I can look at myself in the mirror in the morning and your view on my "motives" mean shit to me to be completely honest. No I don't feel any heat I have just been too busy to be sitting in boxing forums. As I said you are entitled to you opinion and I respect that.

Leon - The wife had gone to a lingerie party leaving the two sweetehearts with me, you should have seen the house by the time I got off the phone! I was putting my 3 year old to bed and he said, you better clean up the kitchen - Mum is going to kill you! lol

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

...Leon - The wife had gone to a lingerie party ...

Too much information Phil.

...hope she shopped well...your week could probably improve a tad.

[Sox]

Too much information Phil.

...hope she shopped well...your week could probably improve a tad.

Only if he's cleaned the kitchen. :lol:

[Sox]

Speaking of mandatory re-matches, Geale wasn't certain, but seemed to think there was a re-match clause in the contract for the fight the other night. He went on to say that if Mundine doesn't want to fight him again it just won't happen.

Phil -
As 'COULDHAVEBEEN' says here, if Geale is correct, then wouldn't the protest be largely a waste of time as the re-match must happen anyway?
(Unless of course they really are trying to force a change to the decision of the fight, which won't happen IMO).

And if so, what is the typical time frame for this re-match to happen (in the clause).

Lastly, if Mandy didn't want to fight again, he would be stripped of the belt, yes?


IMO Mundine won't go anywhere near Geale again - too much to lose for little possible gain.
That's what I reckon, Mandy shit bricks during that fight.

[Phil Austin]

Sox - if there is a re-match clause then, I do not know why they would push through us if it's already in the contract. If they protest and a rematch is ordered and Mundine won't fight then it will ber the same as Billy Dib, away the title goes

[IrnBruMan]

Good on you Phil, I saw you quoted in the article in the Sunday paper and thought "One of the ESB boys!" :yep :good

[ashley]

Ashley - Hi mate - it didn't help that my laptop got the win antivirus and it killed everything so I have not done much of anything TBH! Once we receive the protest the letter and DVD of the fight will be sent to head office and the fight then sent on to 3 judges who will then score the fight with the volume off. If all 3 judges score the fight in the favour of Geale then a re-match will be mandated. The other points of the protest will also be scrutinised and a decision handed down. Regardless of anything I want to see a rematch as it was such a good close fight, and Geale was maginificent in all departments in and out of the riung since the day he won our belt IMO.
Julian - you do know that an official (as long as he is not a board member) can be a member of more than one organisation don't you? If you feel I have no credibility then that is your opinion. I can look at myself in the mirror in the morning and your view on my "motives" mean shit to me to be completely honest. No I don't feel any heat I have just been too busy to be sitting in boxing forums. As I said you are entitled to you opinion and I respect that.

Leon - The wife had gone to a lingerie party leaving the two sweetehearts with me, you should have seen the house by the time I got off the phone! I was putting my 3 year old to bed and he said, you better clean up the kitchen - Mum is going to kill you! lol

Thanks Phil :good

[IrnBruMan]

Thanks Phil :good

get fuct ashley, you called Geale a poor loser :yep

[ashley]

get fuct ashley, you called Geale a poor loser :yep


I admit I was wrong... Geales not the sore loser.......its his team....this protest sux.....Lots of other fighters get the wrong decision 5 times worse than this.....Geale got beaten...just read the paper.....I don't think independent judges will see it any different....Mundine landed the cleaner more powerful shots...end of story

[WhataRock]

It isnt comparable to Dib-Marali fight...Choc edged this one clearly, Im not going to argue with someone who saw it the other way but I cant see anyone who has been in boxing for some time seeing this as controversial.

[Phil Austin]

I've got no problem with Grange lodging a protest - they are doing their job and looking after their fighter: I'd expect nothing less from professionals TBH

[WhataRock]

I totally understand Grange doing that...but I personally dont expect anything more to come of it if procedures are followed correctly..which of course I have every bit of faith in the IBO doing.

[Phil Austin]

Same procedure as Dib-Marali WAR

[IrnBruMan]

I admit I was wrong... Geales not the sore loser.......its his team....this protest sux.....Lots of other fighters get the wrong decision 5 times worse than this.....Geale got beaten...just read the paper.....I don't think independent judges will see it any different....Mundine landed the cleaner more powerful shots...end of story

:lol:

Funny how you don't mind using the paper as incontrovertible proof that Mundine won, but any time there is an article crticising Mundine you question the integrity of the publication :hey

Anyways, I'm just winding you up :yep

[DaSweetScience]

Phil - Well done last night. Just remember David Gallop has one of these every Monday morning!!

A question - When the 3 selected protest judges are watching the tape of the fight (sound down of course) to determine judging and refereeing irregularities do they have the benefit of slo mo to gauge knockdowns or do they judge in real time?

Do the 3 judges judge it together or apart?

Is there a debate or discussion or simply 3 completed cards submitted?

I'm intrigued.

[sambo1987]

Can a judge score a KD if the ref doesn't acknowledge it?

[the beaver]

Phil - Well done last night. Just remember David Gallop has one of these every Monday morning!!

A question - When the 3 selected protest judges are watching the tape of the fight (sound down of course) to determine judging and refereeing irregularities do they have the benefit of slo mo to gauge knockdowns or do they judge in real time?

Do the 3 judges judge it together or apart?

Is there a debate or discussion or simply 3 completed cards submitted?

I'm intrigued.

Obviously i'm not Phil, but i should imagine the 3 judges wld watch the fight independently, meaning by themselves. No discussion should take place until after the cards are handed in and no slow mo should be used.

Otherwise it just becomes an open discussion which helps little in the scheme of things

[Phil Austin]

Can a judge score a KD if the ref doesn't acknowledge it?

No is the simple answer to that one mate

[Phil Austin]

Phil - Well done last night. Just remember David Gallop has one of these every Monday morning!!

A question - When the 3 selected protest judges are watching the tape of the fight (sound down of course) to determine judging and refereeing irregularities do they have the benefit of slo mo to gauge knockdowns or do they judge in real time?

Do the 3 judges judge it together or apart?

Is there a debate or discussion or simply 3 completed cards submitted?

I'm intrigued.

Can I gave Gallops salary then? :D

The judges will be scoring the fight only not the other contentious issues as the referee is the only one who determines knockdowns.

The judges will be separate, probably in different parts of the world.

Their cards will then be submitted to Frank Brunette the chairman in charge of such things who will report back to Mr Levine. The other issues ie possibility of a knockdown, tape will be discussed between Mr Levine and myself

[julian]

Contrary to what you may believe Phil,

Not everybodys stupid.

[Ben K]

Gday Phil,
I don't want to pick on you mate as everyone else is it seems , but you mentioned you wouldn't have scored the Knockdown if you were the ref on the Sweetscience ?? Clearly by the rules of Boxing it was a knockdown as Mundine was hit and lost his footing,Both gloves touched the canvas. That is a Knockdown isn't it??

I really enjoyed the fight and hope this gets sorted for your sanity's sake :p

[Phil Austin]

Once again Julian I don't give a f*ck what you think - you're entitled to your opinion and I respect that.

Ben, TBH mate I don't feel picked on by the majority - people have questions and I am prepared to answer them - they might not like my answers, but I gave it a crack! Grange are sending me a copy of the fight so I can review before sending it on. Ringside on the night, side-on the punch landed but without real force, a split second later his feet slid out from under him and he went straight down. The momentum of the shot at the time did not IMO opinion cause Mundine to touch down but it was incidental, if he had gone backwards and touched down then I would looked at scoring it a knockdown. As I said this was in a split second on the night and I wasn't right next to it. A review of the DVD could well change my mind

[kel]

Once again Julian I don't give a f*ck what you think - you're entitled to your opinion and I respect that.

Ben, TBH mate I don't feel picked on by the majority - people have questions and I am prepared to answer them - they might not like my answers, but I gave it a crack! Grange are sending me a copy of the fight so I can review before sending it on. Ringside on the night, side-on the punch landed but without real force, a split second later his feet slid out from under him and he went straight down. The momentum of the shot at the time did not IMO opinion cause Mundine to touch down but it was incidental, if he had gone backwards and touched down then I would looked at scoring it a knockdown. As I said this was in a split second on the night and I wasn't right next to it. A review of the DVD could well change my mind

I agree with you Phil, no way it was a knock down.

[julian]

Phil,
I understand that you don't give a f**k what I think and that's fine.
You say that you are being asked questions and are happy to answer them. Once again, fine.
I've got one for you.
Who's idea was it in the first place to have Derik Milham judging this fight?
Like I said, I don't have a problem with his scoring, I'd just like to hear it from you how it came about.

[Ben K]

No worries, I'm pretty sure he was hit and as he put his foot back for support he fell. So it was from the punch. I will watch again as the fight was great and worth watching a 3rd time.

[Kegsy]

I think personally the choice of Derek Milham was a horrible decision by the IBO, too bad Geale's team didnt force the change as i believe they should have.

[TheDuke]

:(

[Sox]

Ben, TBH mate I don't feel picked on by the majority - people have questions and I am prepared to answer them - they might not like my answers, but I gave it a crack! Grange are sending me a copy of the fight so I can review before sending it on. Ringside on the night, side-on the punch landed but without real force, a split second later his feet slid out from under him and he went straight down. The momentum of the shot at the time did not IMO opinion cause Mundine to touch down but it was incidental, if he had gone backwards and touched down then I would looked at scoring it a knockdown. As I said this was in a split second on the night and I wasn't right next to it. A review of the DVD could well change my mind

I just watched the KD about 785 times in slow motion, and from what I can see, he did slip.
However, it was a punch, which made him step back, which caused him to slip.

The way I see it, if he hadn't of been hit, he wouldn't have stepped back, and of course he wouldn't have slipped.
In a nutshell, the slip was caused by the punch.

Now, the slip caused his gloves to touch the canvas, and the slip being caused by the punch, by definition of the rules is a KD.

The problem is, this needed a lot of viewing in slow motion to see how the actual chain of events occurred and what caused what.
I can see how a different conclusion could be made in a split second by the ref or someone at ringside.

So all in all, I have no idea what happens from here. :huh

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

I just watched the KD about 785 times in slow motion, and from what I can see, he did slip....all in all, I have no idea what happens from here. :huh

From the earlier answer by Phil, the sole judgement on whether a KD has taken place or not is made by the ref, and that decision is made at the time it occurrs (ie in the split second). See below:

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Originally Posted by sambo1987 [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Can a judge score a KD if the ref doesn't acknowledge it?

Phil replied: No is the simple answer to that one mate.

[Sox]

From the earlier answer by Phil, the sole judgement on whether a KD has taken place or not is made by the ref, and that decision is made at the time it occurrs (ie in the split second). See below:

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Originally Posted by sambo1987 [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Can a judge score a KD if the ref doesn't acknowledge it?

Phil replied: No is the simple answer to that one mate.
Yer I understand that, what I meant was what happens from here regarding the protest, and if the protest is to do with the round 9 slip/KD anyway.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Yer I understand that, what I meant was what happens from here regarding the protest, and if the protest is to do with the round 9 slip/KD anyway.

From the earlier posts it sounds like the best the Geale camp can hope for is a mandatory re-match. Whether their protest includes mention of the round 9 Mundine slip/KD won't make any difference to the refs call of it being a slip.

IMO there's no way in the world Mundine will fight Geale again, even if directed to by the body. He'll simply abandon the title.

[Sox]

From the earlier posts it sounds like the best the Geale camp can hope for is a mandatory re-match. Whether their protest includes mention of the round 9 Mundine slip/KD won't make any difference to the refs call of it being a slip.
Yeh, that's the part I'm not clear on.
Is it unlikely that the refs call won't be over-ruled, or is it that it simply can't be over-ruled?


IMO there's no way in the world Mundine will fight Geale again, even if directed to by the body. He'll simply abandon the title.You can count on that.:good

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Yeh, that's the part I'm not clear on.
Is it unlikely that the refs call won't be over-ruled, or is it that it simply can't be over-ruled?

Phil!

[baha74]

Sorry Sox but I have to dispute your logic. Just because the punch causes him to step back and then slip, by your own words, it can't be ruled a knockdown. A slip is a slip, especially with a step in between. Even to the naked eye without using slo-mo, it is clear that the punch that Geale threw did not directly cause Mundine to slip. No knock-down for me.

[ashley]

In one way I hope its a rematch because Mundine is going to KHTFO this time :yep

Geale fought the fight of his life.....Mundine had an average day at the office.....as we know he is badly going down hill.

Stay clear of Mundine Geale :deal

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

In one way I hope its a rematch because Mundine is going to KHTFO this time :yep

Geale fought the fight of his life.....Mundine had an average day at the office.....as we know he is badly going down hill.

Stay clear of Mundine Geale :deal

Clearly taking the piss Ash!

We all know Mundine is extremely unlikely to risk another go with Geale, mandatory or not, title or no title.

[ashley]

Clearly taking the piss Ash!

.

Would I do that?

[Marcus]

In one way I hope its a rematch because Mundine is going to KHTFO this time :yep

Geale fought the fight of his life.....Mundine had an average day at the office.....as we know he is badly going down hill.

Stay clear of Mundine Geale :deal


You mean this post ash?

I agree then, its a terrible post :hi:

[ranser]

Mundine will NOT risk fighting Geale again!

[ashley]

mundine will not risk fighting geale again!

why?

[ranser]

High Risk .LOW reward...

[Kegsy]

High Risk .LOW reward...
Pretty much spot on Ranser thats what some sources have told me in the last couple days.:good

[ashley]

High Risk .LOW reward...

Dont agree mate

Sturm/ Pav or AA is high risk low reward.....they wont pay Mundine much for the fight and Mundine dont stand much chance of the win

The interest in the Mundine VS Geale II fight would be great.....30 to 50% larger than fight number 1.

We all know Mundine is going to win easy second time round...AKA sam soliman II. :yep

[teke]

So ppl want Geale to get another loss, fine with me. Mundine will beat him easier the 2nd time around.

[Phil Austin]

Phil!

Sorry - I was working til after 9 last night; got home in time to see us own you cockroach bitches once again!
Before I say anymore I am expecting the protest to arrive today, so I'll wait and see what they have put in the protest before saying anymore - baha and sox seem to have a pretty good handle on things

[stiflers mum]

So ppl want Geale to get another loss, fine with me. Mundine will beat him easier the 2nd time around.
I dont think he will fight Geale again I think he will fight his mandatory Sturm get the WBA belt defeat Pavlik and AA because he said so on the wide world of sports.:lol::lol::lol::rofl:rofl:rofl

[Texan Joe]

I dont think he will fight Geale again I think he will fight his mandatory Sturm get the WBA belt defeat Pavlik and AA because he said so on the wide world of sports.:lol::lol::lol::rofl:rofl:rofl

Then chop his leg off to make Jnr Welter & fight Pac

[LeonMcS]

Bah, you're all way behind, I predicted a year ago Mundine would be fighting at lower weights.

Post#25.

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[Marcus]

Dont agree mate

Sturm/ Pav or AA is high risk low reward.....they wont pay Mundine much for the fight and Mundine dont stand much chance of the win

The interest in the Mundine VS Geale II fight would be great.....30 to 50% larger than fight number 1.

We all know Mundine is going to win easy second time round...AKA sam soliman II. :yep


err what? beating Kelly is low reward?


oh i get it, your from the Mundine way of thinking, money is everything :deal

[JOSEY WALES]

err what? beating Kelly is low reward?


oh i get it, your from the Mundine way of thinking, money is everything :deal

Fighting for a genuine world title is too much a risk for too little reward when your already milking total head shot fan boy's of their hard earned cash who already think your a genuine world champ . :nut

[roscoe]

I think Mandy needs a rematch against Geale. He needs to show that he can dominate him not just beat him controversially if he's ever a chance of keeping with the likes of Abraham, Pavlik & Sturm. I wouldn't be surprised if Geale gets the nod next time about.

[ashley]

err what? beating Kelly is low reward?


oh i get it, your from the Mundine way of thinking, money is everything :deal

Read my post again.......stop hating.....now.....when you look at it Mundine has 30% chance of beating Pavlik and wont get much cash.

So better fights for Mundine will better ratios of pay without getting beaten.

[Marcus]

Read my post again.......stop hating.....now.....when you look at it Mundine has 30% chance of beating Pavlik and wont get much cash.

So better fights for Mundine will better ratios of pay without getting beaten.

Wont get much cash? I think he would earn more than his last couple of fights put together. Dont you?

[ashley]

Wont get much cash? I think he would earn more than his last couple of fights put together. Dont you?

How much do you think he will get for a Pav fight?

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

...Mundine has 30% chance of beating Pavlik and wont get much cash. So better fights for Mundine will better ratios of pay without getting beaten.

Let's run with your theory for a minute Ash:

1/ Mundine goes ahead with Geale II - should pay better than Geale I - but hypothetically let's say he LOSES - not far fetched - only an SD result last time.

Where does that leave Mundine??

OK, a little bit richer but certainly nowhere on a world stage, and I'd suggest from there it's:

2/ Geale III, the decider.
3/ The immenent $$$$ grab at light heavy with Green at Subiaco.
4/ Retirement...

Unless of course Green happens to beat him! Then it's 4/ Green III, followed by 5/ retirement.

Where's the 'world domination' & 'comparisons with Bradman' in that lot Ash??

Ok: But what if he wins in Geale II, you'll ask?

...what if he does? He's a little older, a little slower and no closer to achieving anything remotely in keeping with his b/s promises!

FACT: It's now or never for Mundine!

[ashley]

Let's run with your theory for a minute Ash:

1/ Mundine goes ahead with Geale II - should pay better than Geale I - but hypothetically let's say he LOSES - not far fetched - only an SD result last time.

Where does that leave Mundine??

OK, a little bit richer but certainly nowhere on a world stage, and I'd suggest from there it's:

2/ Geale III, the decider.
3/ The immenent $$$$ grab at light heavy with Green at Subiaco.
4/ Retirement...

Unless of course Green happens to beat him! Then it's 4/ Green III, followed by 5/ retirement.

Where's the 'world domination' & 'comparisons with Bradman' in that lot Ash??

Ok: But what if he wins in Geale II, you'll ask?

...what if he does? He's a little older, a little slower and no closer to achieving anything remotely in keeping with his b/s promises!

FACT: It's now or never for Mundine!

Mundine im my eyes will pick up vacant and regular titles fighting top 5 to 15 guys over the next 2 years.....he will wait for his chances...not risk Pav, AA or Sturm.

I am very happy with this outcome...looks like all the haters are the only unhappy people :yep

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Mundine im my eyes will pick up vacant and regular titles fighting top 5 to 15 guys over the next 2 years.....he will wait for his chances...not risk Pav, AA or Sturm.

I am very happy with this outcome...looks like all the haters are the only unhappy people :yep

Just lacks the promised World Domination that's all.

[Marcus]

How much do you think he will get for a Pav fight?


200,000 - 500,000+ :huh

[mundinechamp]

I heard that Mundine got $600k for the Ottke fight.

So if you use that as a guide, he'd probably get around $2M for a Pavlik fight given the Ottke fight was only 18 months into his career.

[ashley]

200,000 - 500,000+ :huh

Dont know for sure but I think Mundine averages $500,000 each fight and more for the bigger fights.

Against Geale he may have made $1,000,000.

30,000 PPV and 8000 at the gate and 150 pubs.....almost $2.8m.....Fox, Geale, Venue and costs = $1,800,000

So what I am saying is $500,000 for a loss to Pav is a big pay cut and a bigger risk.

[ashley]

Just lacks the promised World Domination that's all.

Dont know what you mean mate...hes 3 time world champ in 2 weight divisions :yep

[ashley]

I heard that Mundine got $600k for the Ottke fight.

So if you use that as a guide, he'd probably get around $2M for a Pavlik fight given the Ottke fight was only 18 months into his career.

The $600 sounds right for Ottke.....however I think he will get offered US500k for the Pav fight....dont see the $2,000,000 until he has the WBA title.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Dont know what you mean mate...hes 3 time world champ in 2 weight divisions :yep

Does this equal World Domination:

Won vacant WBA World SMW belt against a blown-up MW in Antwun Echols - the vacant belt was created when Sven Ottke was elevated to Super Champ status by the WBA when he unified his IBF belt with the real WBA SMW belt against Byron Mitchell

Inherited real WBA SMW belt when Ottke retired.

Lost real WBA SMW belt to Manny Siaca.

Won vacant WBA World SMW belt against a blown-up MW in Sam Soliman - the belt was created when Joe Calzaghe was elevated to Super Champ status by the WBA when he unified his IBO belt with the real WBA SMW belt against Mikkel Kessler.

Inherited real WBA SMW belt when Calzaghe vacated it and moved up to LHW to face Bernard Hopkins.

Gave up real WBA SMW belt when Mikkel Kessler became his mandatory.

Won IBO International MW belt via SD.

So he's won 3 paper titles, inherited 2 real titles, lost 1 real title, vacated 1 real title, and won 1 minor title.

Has never fought a real champ and beaten him for the real title.

The only sure '3 times' things about Mundine are his losses.

(thanks to IrnBruMan for the summary - why re-invent the wheel?)


'World Domination' Ash??

[mundinechamp]

The $600 sounds right for Ottke.....however I think he will get offered US500k for the Pav fight....dont see the $2,000,000 until he has the WBA title.

That's a good point, the WBA title adds a lot to the bargaining table.

Though when he fought Ottke he was only the IBF #9 contender, so you would imagine he'd get more with an IBO middleweight title than the $600k.

[ashley]

:gsgDoes this equal World Domination:

Won vacant WBA World SMW belt against a blown-up MW in Antwun Echols - the vacant belt was created when Sven Ottke was elevated to Super Champ status by the WBA when he unified his IBF belt with the real WBA SMW belt against Byron Mitchell

Inherited real WBA SMW belt when Ottke retired.

Lost real WBA SMW belt to Manny Siaca.

Won vacant WBA World SMW belt against a blown-up MW in Sam Soliman - the belt was created when Joe Calzaghe was elevated to Super Champ status by the WBA when he unified his IBO belt with the real WBA SMW belt against Mikkel Kessler.

Inherited real WBA SMW belt when Calzaghe vacated it and moved up to LHW to face Bernard Hopkins.

Gave up real WBA SMW belt when Mikkel Kessler became his mandatory.

Won IBO International MW belt via SD.

So he's won 3 paper titles, inherited 2 real titles, lost 1 real title, vacated 1 real title, and won 1 minor title.

Has never fought a real champ and beaten him for the real title.

The only sure '3 times' things about Mundine are his losses.

(thanks to IrnBruMan for the summary - why re-invent the wheel?)


'World Domination' Ash??

:stir

[ashley]

That's a good point, the WBA title adds a lot to the bargaining table.

Though when he fought Ottke he was only the IBF #9 contender, so you would imagine he'd get more with an IBO middleweight title than the $600k.

Little birdy told me Geale got offered $250 for the same title....ok ..the little bird was pissed....and knows nothing about boxing.....But thats waht Marcus said.....oh I mean the little bird :yep

[mundinechamp]

little birdy told me geale got offered $250 for the same title....ok ..the little bird was pissed....and knows nothing about boxing.....but thats waht marcus said.....oh i mean the little bird :yep

lol!

[stiflers mum]

I heard that Mundine got $600k for the Ottke fight.

So if you use that as a guide, he'd probably get around $2M for a Pavlik fight given the Ottke fight was only 18 months into his career.
and who pray tell did you hear this off.im guessing that this is pretty unreliable and youre pulling things out of your arse.mundine wont fight sturm,wont fight pavlik, will bulk up to fight green at light heavy weight for the wbu lhw belt and start calling himself four time three division. and you ashley and teke will continue to circle jerk over him and your a pedo.:deal

[stiflers mum]

That's a good point, the WBA title adds a lot to the bargaining table.

Though when he fought Ottke he was only the IBF #9 contender, so you would imagine he'd get more with an IBO middleweight title than the $600k.
good to see you are learning and are actually calling him sturm and not strum like youve been calling him for ages.:thumbsup

[Sox]

and who pray tell did you hear this off.im guessing that this is pretty unreliable and youre pulling things out of your arse.mundine wont fight sturm,wont fight pavlik, will bulk up to fight green at light heavy weight for the wbu lhw belt and start calling himself four time three division. and you ashley and teke will continue to circle jerk over him and your a pedo.:deal
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[mundinechamp]

and who pray tell did you hear this off.im guessing that this is pretty unreliable and youre pulling things out of your arse.mundine wont fight sturm,wont fight pavlik, will bulk up to fight green at light heavy weight for the wbu lhw belt and start calling himself four time three division. and you ashley and teke will continue to circle jerk over him and your a pedo.:deal

I read this in the paper after the Ottke bout when they were discussing whether Choc would go back to league or continue boxing.

If he didn't fight Sturm it'd be a waste of time dropping a division and fighting at middleweight. Mundine knows the IBO belt isn't the definition of middleweight greatness.

Why don't you do us all a favour and tee up the bout with Sturm or Pavlik, I'm sure you've got enough business skills to work something out. :good

[julian]

Phil,
Your lack of response has just confirmed what myself and a lot of others already knew.

[ashley]

Hey Phil....any info yet on the protest?

Dont hold out now :thumbsup

[Phil Austin]

Hi Ashley and Julian
I am now in possession of the protest sop won't be saying any more about it until it is resolved, because the issue that concerns you so much Julian is touched upon, I am sure you will understand if I am now reticent on the subject until further notice, thanks!

[LeonMcS]

You must respect Phils AUTHORITIE!

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[Phil Austin]

Screw you guys! I'm going home! LOL

[julian]

Phil,
I can appreciate the position you are in now with the protest being lodged and can understand your stance on further comments until a resolution is made.

I am equally certain that you realise the concerns that have been raised both on and off the net regarding the abnormalities surrounding this bout.

You probably think that I've taken direct aim at you regarding this particular issue but the truth is I believe that an error in judgement combined with direct pressure led to the controversial situation that I,ve been refering to.

You"ve contributed an enormous amount to Australian boxing and it's a shame that this event has brought with it some much of what is bad in our sport.

Regardless of the outcome of the protest, certain things happened that should never have been allowed and lessons should be learnt from it.

Phil, any man can make mistakes but it sometimes takes a big man to admit it. Maybe you'r big enough.

Perhaps my sarcasm has belied a lack of respect on my part, but I've only stated what a lot of people have relayed to me.

Saying you don't give a **** about my opinions is fair enough but the respect of your peers is, I'm sure something that's very important to you.

I don't know you personally Phil, but I admire your passion for your chosen
organization along with your officiating abilities. Up until now you've managed to stay out of the gutter and thats admirable.

You know yourself better than anyone and I'm sure you know which drains smell and which ones don't.

I'd hate to see someone throw away their own self respect for the sake of a mob of bottom feeders.

[flamengo]

Julian... sometimes the stench from one drain dictates which other drains may smell better. TeamStinkyDrain will walk away with the IBO diadem intact regardless of proceedings into a protest.

Do you assume a result turn around?? TeamStinkyDrain dicate the realms of every Mundine bout.. every base is covered. I don't see Phil's credibilty being tarnished in any sense, nor should it be.

[julian]

Flamengo,

You are correct in saying that the team concerned dictate the realms of their own bouts.
In every possible way that makes me sick in the guts.
Don't tell me that peoples credibilitys are not on the line when this crew of scumbags manage to manipulate not just the rules of our sport but draw on the assistance of well meaning personal to justify their reasonings.

Take your goons, your standover tactics and your money grubbing attitude to the states and see how you get on.

IMO Team Mundine has on the whole, done more damage to Australian Boxing than good, and unfortunately has dragged some good people down to its own level.

I would like to see Choc ,

A. Fight Pavlic

B. Get Knocked Out

C Pay the germ his 30%

D. Disappear for good

[flamengo]

Flamengo,

You are correct in saying that the team concerned dictate the realms of their own bouts.
In every possible way that makes me sick in the guts.
Don't tell me that peoples credibilitys are not on the line when this crew of scumbags manage to manipulate not just the rules of our sport but draw on the assistance of well meaning personal to justify their reasonings.

Take your goons, your standover tactics and your money grubbing attitude to the states and see how you get on.

IMO Team Mundine has on the whole, done more damage to Australian Boxing than good, and unfortunately has dragged some good people down to its own level.

I would like to see Choc ,

A. Fight Pavlic

B. Get Knocked Out

C Pay the germ his 30%

D. Disappear for good


Julian, chill the fuck out mate. Take a step back, look at the earlier arguements... you will have some glowing reflection on the TeamShit happenings.

Phil is NOT in any position to denegrate licensed bodies, camps or affiliated members of any ANBF scene. Give the man some credit mate. He holds his tongue.. therefor dignity is intact.

In the coming weeks, a claritry of events might prevail. Don't expect to read anymore than the 'assumed' agreements from both parties. Perhaps a re-match with Geale selling his own tickets this time. Either way, TeamPubeChin have the $$$ to do as they please.

Mundine/Pav... yes please.
I don't see Mundine or Khoder gaining a VISA without serious arse licking.

[Phil Austin]

Julian
Thank you for the time you took to explain your stance a little further. It explains things a little more to me and I would like to clarify something. The not giving a fuck? Comes down to being so over all the shit that was coming down (mostly half-truths or suppositions) following this fight that my reply was probably not as I would have liked and I do regret that, by this time I had tried to already explain Derek's appointment but nothing it seemed was good enough.
When the dust has settled and the protest is over, I will go more into the reason's for Derek although I will be disappointing alot of you in that is was NOT demand from Khoder, if it had been a demand then I would have said no, especially if I thought Derek would have been biased in his performance. I have known Derek for 14 years and he has never been anything but ethical in officiating. I was going to write more but I shall stick to my word and wait til the official result is handed down. I would have replied sooner but I had lodge tonight and have just got home

[Phil Austin]

Oh and Flame... thanks!

[flamengo]

[quote=Phil Austin;4200016]Oh and Flame... thanks![/quote

Don't thank me.. I had a gun at my head!!!

[julian]

Phil,
Thank you for your reply and I respect the way your going about this whole situation.
Whether the appointment in question came from demand, intimidation, ultimatims, or whatever is not my point at all.

The fact is, because of Milhams past connections with Team Mundine this appointment should have never taken place in the first place.

If you care to ask around Phil, I know you'll find that the majority of boxing people are struggling to understand this decision and will only draw thier own conclusions in the long run.

Flamengo,

I'll chill out mate, You Bet!!!!

I'll chill out when these vermin that have blatently raped the sport I love, have managed to screw undercard fighters to a new all time low, have displayed an incredible lack of respect of everything that is real in our sport, and have shown time and time again that the only concern important to them is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I'll chill out when the entire circus is a long forgotten memory.

[ashley]

Julian
Thank you for the time you took to explain your stance a little further. It explains things a little more to me and I would like to clarify something. The not giving a fuck? Comes down to being so over all the shit that was coming down (mostly half-truths or suppositions) following this fight that my reply was probably not as I would have liked and I do regret that, by this time I had tried to already explain Derek's appointment but nothing it seemed was good enough.
When the dust has settled and the protest is over, I will go more into the reason's for Derek although I will be disappointing alot of you in that is was NOT demand from Khoder, if it had been a demand then I would have said no, especially if I thought Derek would have been biased in his performance. I have known Derek for 14 years and he has never been anything but ethical in officiating. I was going to write more but I shall stick to my word and wait til the official result is handed down. I would have replied sooner but I had lodge tonight and have just got home

Oh shit....the Mundine haters wont be happy about this Phil.....their whole argument relies on the false thinking that Khoder demanded Derek :lol:

[Phil Austin]

Julian
As I said, after the dust settles I'll explain it all and you might (and others) be well suprised about how this came about, don't think I am ignoring what you say though

[flamengo]

Phil,
Thank you for your reply and I respect the way your going about this whole situation.
Whether the appointment in question came from demand, intimidation, ultimatims, or whatever is not my point at all.

The fact is, because of Milhams past connections with Team Mundine this appointment should have never taken place in the first place.

If you care to ask around Phil, I know you'll find that the majority of boxing people are struggling to understand this decision and will only draw thier own conclusions in the long run.

Flamengo,

I'll chill out mate, You Bet!!!!

I'll chill out when these vermin that have blatently raped the sport I love, have managed to screw undercard fighters to a new all time low, have displayed an incredible lack of respect of everything that is real in our sport, and have shown time and time again that the only concern important to them is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I'll chill out when the entire circus is a long forgotten memory.


Take up the 'chill' aspect with TeamArab..... NO ONE has any reason for slagging other than them.

Cheers.

[Phil Austin]

[quote=Phil Austin;4200016]Oh and Flame... thanks![/quote

Don't thank me.. I had a gun at my head!!!

Fuck it! I paid them good money to pull the trigger! :lol:

[flamengo]

[quote=flamengo;4200074]

Fuck it! I paid them good money to pull the trigger! :lol:

........you got ripped off mate. I will sell the gun back to ya?? lol... or just hold it for a few hours!! lol.:D

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

This current ABC article doesn't really add anything we didn't already know about the Geale protest:

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[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Update on the Geale v Mundine appeal - see Daily Telegraph link below.

"The IBO could also order a rematch after considering other aspects of the appeal, including claims that Mundine's camp intimidated a judge and that he deliberately wasted time when the tape on his gloves came loose on five separate occasions as he tired near the end of the bout".

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