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[Grant1]

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Doesn't look good :mad:

[alba]

Thyedefaulted on a 3million payment to the spl ...

[Darni187]

Who cares about SPL anyway :yep

[PrideOfWales]

Would be a shame for boxing fans... Setanta have been great for us showing some brilliant fights and the Bunce boxing hour would be a big loss.

[kosaros]

Lets hope they pull through this tough time.

[PrideOfWales]

Lets hope they pull through this tough time.

Difficult to see this happening. The football season has just finished and it's common knowledge that they're in trouble so nobody new is going to sign up. And indeed, some of the football subscribers may cancel their subscriptions.

[alba]

Who cares about SPL anyway :yep

well a good question ,but outside showing ireland games on ppv in pubs in London ,this was setantas bread and butter for a long time ,which lead in the station being what it is itoday and the 'home of boxing'

also mate im assuming your english?coming away with an opnion like leads me to think that (if your not i didnt mean to insult you ) but at least our league is a two horse race unlike the premiership which is a one horse race ..:yep

[robpalmer135]

The big worry for boxing fans will be the fact that Setanta invested heavilly in Boxing. If investors, Sky or anyone else sees that as a big reason for there failure expect to see less and less Boxing.

[achillesthegreat]

I sincerely hope they pull through.

[Chinny]

The big worry for boxing fans will be the fact that Setanta invested heavilly in Boxing. If investors, Sky or anyone else sees that as a big reason for there failure expect to see less and less Boxing.

It isn't seen as a big reason for their trouble. The big problem is the English prem deal the season after next gives Setanta so few games then the current business model just isn't viable. They just will not retain/gain enough football fans with only the Sat PM games.

A case of 'wait and see' really. Lets hope they turn it around somehow.

[PrideOfWales]

Doesn't Frank ****** (Sports Network) owe Setanta money? Along with Joe Calzaghe and Millennium Stadium plc?

[Chinny]

Doesn't Frank ****** (Sports Network) owe Setanta money? Along with Joe Calzaghe and Millennium Stadium plc?

Sports Network are in the middle of a legal case with Setanta yes.

SN have also lost court cases vs and owe Joe and Millenium stadium money.

Now that SN has convieniently gone into administration who knows where that leaves any money owed. I hope they all have good lawyers and that they follow the Directors of SN to their new home.

[izmat]

I hope I will be able to see the Haye-Klitchko fight on setanta !

[robpalmer135]

It isn't seen as a big reason for their trouble. The big problem is the English prem deal the season after next gives Setanta so few games then the current business model just isn't viable. They just will not retain/gain enough football fans with only the Sat PM games.

A case of 'wait and see' really. Lets hope they turn it around somehow.

Setanta paid big money for Hatton vs Castillo and for Calzaghe vs Jones Jnr. They also paid big money to ****** thinking they would get Amir Khan. Add to that the reported 15mil they have given Hayemaker for there promotions and the Haye fights.

They have said that Calzaghes fights got them big subscriber numbers but did they manage to retain any of them???


Personally I think that Setanta should of focused all the funds on everything but Premiership, FA Cup and Inrternational Football. Become a station for hardcore sports fans.

If i did not have setanta and liked football, Spurs the team I support might play a match on setanta once a month so I ca jsut go to the pub, most of the FA Cup and England games are on ITV and if its a big one I can go to the pub again.

I am not going to go to the pub to watch a boxing or tennis match because they wont be showing it, and I am not going to go to the pub or a mates house to watch the cricket or golf because it goes on to long.

Setanta should do foreign football and other sports only. They get hardcore fans of those sports who will pay a premium amount. All the other sport is cheap compared to FA Cup, Premiership and England games.

[Chinny]

Everyone has an opinion on what setanta should and shouldn't buy. It gets a bit boring.

Trevor East is a very clever man. He was previously a top man at Sky Sports. It was his Business plan Setanta have followed. Without the EPL you do not get the man on the street. Without the man on the street you will not grow into a business as big (note: not neccessarily profitable, yet) as the private equity owners wanted.
And without growing into a big business, it can't be sold at a big profit for the owners.

Call it bad timing re the recession. Call it a bad bid just coming short for the Monday night EPL package. Call it growing too quickly. Probably all of the above.

It is easy to forget that although this is important for us a lot of peoples livelihood depend on this. If it goes under I will miss Andy Kerr, Bunce et al. There has been a real sense of fun at Setanta.

In the meantime, lets support them in the only way we can, by continuing to pay the subs!

[robpalmer135]

Everyone has an opinion on what setanta should and shouldn't buy. It gets a bit boring.

Trevor East is a very clever man. He was previously a top man at Sky Sports. It was his Business plan Setanta have followed. Without the EPL you do not get the man on the street. Without the man on the street you will not grow into a business as big (note: not neccessarily profitable, yet) as the private equity owners wanted.
And without growing into a big business, it can't be sold at a big profit for the owners.

Call it bad timing re the recession. Call it a bad bid just coming short for the Monday night EPL package. Call it growing too quickly. Probably all of the above.

It is easy to forget that although this is important for us a lot of peoples livelihood depend on this. If it goes under I will miss Andy Kerr, Bunce et al. There has been a real sense of fun at Setanta.

In the meantime, lets support them in the only way we can, by continuing to pay the subs!

Sky Sports have such a monopaly they were never going to compete. The market is missing a harcore sports channel.

I also do not udnerstand why everyone on this forum is worried about boxers and sports channels employees finances all off a sudden. Everyone is fucked at the moment!!!

[slip&counter]

oh well, it was good while it lasted

[Tribute]

Someone mentioned it previously but I can really see Setanta flogging Haye v Klitschko and Sky putting it on Sky Box Office :(

[kosaros]

Haye will be on setanta. It could be there last boxing show, but they have invested too much for them to flog it to another channel now.

[Darni187]

well a good question ,but outside showing ireland games on ppv in pubs in London ,this was setantas bread and butter for a long time ,which lead in the station being what it is itoday and the 'home of boxing'

also mate im assuming your english?coming away with an opnion like leads me to think that (if your not i didnt mean to insult you ) but at least our league is a two horse race unlike the premiership which is a one horse race ..:yep

It will be Liverpool next year mark my words. :deal

[Chinny]

Sky Sports have such a monopaly they were never going to compete. The market is missing a harcore sports channel.

I also do not udnerstand why everyone on this forum is worried about boxers and sports channels employees finances all off a sudden. Everyone is fucked at the moment!!!

When the EC stuck their noses in and ruled that no one company could own all the EPL rights Setanta saw their opportunity to take on Sky. To a large extent they have succeeded. A few years ago only a few anoraks in the UK knew Setanta.

A 'hardcore' sports channel would not have the subs (and therefore financial muscle) to bid for big fights.

Don't want to sound like a saddo but I feel for the setanta employees because through the medium of TV I have got to 'know' them. A couple also post on here, as you know.

[Evil Rich]

Surely if Setanta go under, and Sky not being able to own all Prem rights, it means we will see it on either BBC or ITV? Nothing but good news to me, only thing I'll miss is Bunce's boxing hour. All fights get shown somewhere and in this internet age, we can go every where ;)

[alba]

setanta paid big money for hatton vs castillo and for calzaghe vs jones jnr. They also paid big money to ****** thinking they would get amir khan. add to that the reported 15mil they have given hayemaker for there promotions and the haye fights.

they have said that calzaghes fights got them big subscriber numbers but did they manage to retain any of them???


Personally i think that setanta should of focused all the funds on everything but premiership, fa cup and inrternational football. Become a station for hardcore sports fans.

If i did not have setanta and liked football, spurs the team i support might play a match on setanta once a month so i ca jsut go to the pub, most of the fa cup and england games are on itv and if its a big one i can go to the pub again.

I am not going to go to the pub to watch a boxing or tennis match because they wont be showing it, and i am not going to go to the pub or a mates house to watch the cricket or golf because it goes on to long.

Setanta should do foreign football and other sports only. They get hardcore fans of those sports who will pay a premium amount. All the other sport is cheap compared to fa cup, premiership and england games.

where wasthis reported it was that much,i cant remeber it being reported as being that .

[robpalmer135]

where wasthis reported it was that much,i cant remeber it being reported as being that .

I think it may have been 12mil actually.

[robpalmer135]

Surely if Setanta go under, and Sky not being able to own all Prem rights, it means we will see it on either BBC or ITV? Nothing but good news to me, only thing I'll miss is Bunce's boxing hour. All fights get shown somewhere and in this internet age, we can go every where ;)

The bunce hour is hugley succesful. It gets big viewers and tones of emails. Surley another channel would pick it up or we could see it move to radio.

[Evil Rich]

The bunce hour is hugley succesful. It gets big viewers and tones of emails. Surley another channel would pick it up or we could see it move to radio.

I would like to hope so, hell with the way things are now you could even see someone like youtube getting the rights to it or another internet streaming place. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't find it hard to get employed but for the few weeks I miss it, I'll be bored at work on a Wednesday afternoon.

[mckay_89]

The bunce hour is hugley succesful. It gets big viewers and tones of emails. Surley another channel would pick it up or we could see it move to radio.

Bunce Hour on the radio just wouldn't be the same. I'd miss Bunces' mental facial expressions when he goes off on one!!!

[GPater11093]

I would like to hope so, hell with the way things are now you could even see someone like youtube getting the rights to it or another internet streaming place. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't find it hard to get employed but for the few weeks I miss it, I'll be bored at work on a Wednesday afternoon.

yeh a Wednesday wouldnt be the same

even though its on on a Thursday

Bunce Hour on the radio just wouldn't be the same. I'd miss Bunces' mental facial expressions when he goes off on one!!!

i listen to the Podcast occasionally and its still good without the picture but i see what you mean

[robpalmer135]

If they set up a podcast that would be great. I would pay maybe £20 a year to subscribe. Maybe if they do a monday and a thursday show. Monday would recap and thursday would be a preveiw.

Also if its a podcast, buncey is not working for a tv company and can say whatever he wants. Meaning all the stories will be juicy!

[mckay_89]

If they set up a podcast that would be great. I would pay maybe £20 a year to subscribe. Maybe if they do a monday and a thursday show. Monday would recap and thursday would be a preveiw.

Also if its a podcast, buncey is not working for a tv company and can say whatever he wants. Meaning all the stories will be juicy!

He could tell us how he really feels about Max Kellerman.

[GPater11093]

He could tell us how he really feels about Max Kellerman.

he already really has

theres not much Bunce isnt honest about really except from hyping up them damn Germans

[timber]

Buncey never talks about the dire Setanta situation, I cant see why his show cant move to somewhere like ITV4 if setanta does go down. He plugs his "brothers & sisters in the other studio" enough times to get handed a lifeline.

[robpalmer135]

Buncey never talks about the dire Setanta situation, I cant see why his show cant move to somewhere like ITV4 if setanta does go down. He plugs his "brothers & sisters in the other studio" enough times to get handed a lifeline.

ITV wont touch Buncey, hes not a puppet

[Bodysnatcher]

It's going to be a fucking disaster for boxing coverage in this country if Setanta go down.

Sky and ITV's interest in boxing doesn't strike me as significant, with or without Setanta's presence.

[kurt2006]

Thyedefaulted on a 3million payment to the spl ...

They had to pay Bunce somehow. Who cares about the Scottish Punani League anyway ?

Bunce will ditch his 5live work and move to talkshit (talksport).

[alba]

They had to pay Bunce somehow. Who cares about the Scottish Punani League anyway ?

Bunce will ditch his 5live work and move to talkshit (talksport).

People in Scotland do believe it or not.

[El Cepillo]

Surely its not going to go off-air before Wlad-Haye?

I'm a new subscriber, from what I can tell, Setanta basically has something of everything, little bits of sport here, some there....just think maybe they should focus on a core set of sports, instead of the scatter gun approach.

[colinthfc]

What happened to the rumour about ESPN taking over Setanta?

[gasman]

I actually ordered Setanta a couple of weeks ago, still waiting for them to send me my viewing card, hope they don't go under, Sky needs a bit of competition as they are greedy rip-offs gits.

[noonan]

I hope setanta dont go, but yet another buisness model for them.......

i like football, boxing , ufc, golf, in that order.

if the charge per month was £4 for round up shows inc football matters, bunces hour setante news etc and then all others were ppv ie £3 per live football match £5 per big fight ie hay klit £3 overseas fight and so on, i think there subs would increases alot as some months i do feel that im spending £16 ( i have it in 2 rooms ) and not getting a great deal,

just a thought, and setanta you cant hire for my brilliance but i will work freelance lol ;)

[maxwell-jr]

Aww man thats some seriously bad news.

[chrisfinch]

It's going to be a fucking disaster for boxing coverage in this country if Setanta go down.

Sky and ITV's interest in boxing doesn't strike me as significant, with or without Setanta's presence.

Honestly, is it though?

The Sauerland deal means fuck all. Sure its nice to have some saturday night Boxing a bit more regularly, but domestic German Boxing and the odd world title fight won't gain them enough to justify the contract. Will anybody really care if Huck, Povetkin etc aren't screened? Apart from a few internet fans?

The Top Rank deal is alright, but then again there are hardly any US fights on setanta. The last one was Bradley v Alexander I believe which was two months ago, with only Cotto v Clottey upcoming. If Sky are interested in buying US fights (as in, sell PPV's) they'll buy them.

The Hayemaker deal is the only one that may be missed. However, as I presume Haye himself is part of the deal it would be an attractive proposition to sky and itv. If itv could afford it, a few more saturday shows a year would be good for them, and Haye on itv1 would do great audience figures. Or, Hayemaker goes to sky and Haye himself is on Box Office while the regular shows become Friday Fight Nights. Either way, they wouldn't get as good a deal as setanta.

Finally, the Bunce Hour. Now I really enjoy this show but if setanta went that show would be kapiche. As mentioned earlier in this thread, Bunce won't "tow the company line" which is what endears him to us, but isnt ideal for most TV companies. Plus Bunce has plenty of other gigs as a freelance journalist so won't exactly be chugging moonshine in a rough London alley singing the night away.

Personally, not subscribing to Setanta myself-this seemed a smart deal as setanta would have been included on the sky sports package=win.

I think its unlikely they will stop broadcasting, and I'm 99.5% sure Haye v Klitschko will be on there. However, to suggest if they did that "It's going to be a fucking disaster for boxing coverage in this country if Setanta go down." is crazy. The occasional US, German and UK cards they show do not warrant people paying £13 a month just for the Boxing. Then again, I find it ricockulous that people pay £40+ a month for sky sports just to watch the Boxing and no other sports.

Setanta going bust=no great loss.

[robpalmer135]

They had to pay Bunce somehow. Who cares about the Scottish Punani League anyway ?

Bunce will ditch his 5live work and move to talkshit (talksport).

Buncey said on here he offered the head of talksport a weekly boxing show and he said no. The bunce hour gets as many emails for the hour show as talksport get in a week. Go figure.

[onourway]

Buncey said on here he offered the head of talksport a weekly boxing show and he said no. The bunce hour gets as many emails for the hour show as talksport get in a week. Go figure.

Talksport get shitloads of texts though.

They don't really plug their e mail.

[rhinocoote]

setanta are unfortunate to have started to grow during a recession.
I think that their coverage has been great up to now,and i will continue to pay my subs for the time being.
But,,,if it go's tits-up,,
bunces boxing hour can come and film at my house,and we'll strem it on the net.sorted:good

[phonk]

Talksport get shitloads of texts though.

They don't really plug their e mail.

That's because talkSPORT make money from every text they receive.

[slip&counter]

its really annoying the lack of options in terms of TV networks and radio stations in this country, if Terestrial and sky don't cover it then most likely won't be televised. there's definitely space for setanta and i hope they somehow survive

[slip&counter]

talksport is garbage it really should be called talkfootball and anytime they stray from football then they'll rather talk fishing or toe wrestling then the sweet science

[Kid Lucky]

I've no doubt that the big fights with British fighters would be picked up elsewhere and Setanta's coverage of british fighters isn't great. What would be the biggest loss would be the overseas live fights - particularly from Top Rank that i can't see being picked up.

[slip&counter]

just imagine....Cotto/Judah, cotto/mosley, mosley/margarito, margarito/cotto, marquez/pacquiao 2, marquez/diaz, pavlik/taylor 2, pavlik/hopkins, tito/RJJ, vargas/mayorga, dawson/johnson, tarver/dawson 1, clottey/judah and many fighters like calderon, darchinyan, donaire and many more would not be televised as sky doesn't give a rats arse about those fights

[Kid Lucky]

just imagine....Cotto/Judah, cotto/mosley, mosley/margarito, margarito/cotto, marquez/pacquiao 2, marquez/diaz, tito/RJJ, vargas/mayorga, dawson/johnson, tarver/dawson 1, clottey/judah and many fighters like calderon, darchinyan, donaire and many more would not be televised as sky doesn't give a rats arse about those fights

Correct. And there wouldn't even be World of Sport with Dickie Davies to have highlights on (and not just in his hair).

[p.Townend]

well a good question ,but outside showing ireland games on ppv in pubs in London ,this was setantas bread and butter for a long time ,which lead in the station being what it is itoday and the 'home of boxing'

also mate im assuming your english?coming away with an opnion like leads me to think that (if your not i didnt mean to insult you ) but at least our league is a two horse race unlike the premiership which is a one horse race ..:yep
Some people like to watch the spl,i like to watch the German games as well.It would be a shame for a lot of sports fans if setanta went down.Im not a massive football fan but i do like to watch the odd game and think the English prem is shit so setanta showing something different is a good thing.Boxing will suffer big time without setanta.

[Lee Mc]

just imagine....Cotto/Judah, cotto/mosley, mosley/margarito, margarito/cotto, marquez/pacquiao 2, marquez/diaz, tito/RJJ, vargas/mayorga, dawson/johnson, tarver/dawson 1, clottey/judah and many fighters like calderon, darchinyan, donaire and many more would not be televised as sky doesn't give a rats arse about those fights

Wrong, SKY WOULD show these fights but Setnata had a deal with Top Rank to have exclusive UK rights. Before the deal they were paying over the odds for the rights and SKY aren't stupid, hence the reason we're not talking about the possibility of a demise at SKY.

[Chinny]

For those with an interest here is an excellent examination of the Setanta Business model which has (it seems)proved quite prescient

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[realist77]

Would be a shame to see setanta go - especially Buncey's boxing hour!

[maxwell-jr]

Would be a shame to see setanta go - especially Buncey's boxing hour!

here here

[slip&counter]

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saturdays England international could be their last broadcast

[Bodysnatcher]

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saturdays England international could be their last broadcast

Says the Haye cancellation is "connected to the meltdown."

Could be Mail bullshit, could have some truth to it.