Hatton to be trained by Roach

[Grant1]

Just taken this from the GF

EXCLUSIVE: FREDDIE ROACH TO TRAIN RICKY HATTON!
02 June, 2009 by Ring Talk News ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

STUNNING ANNOUNCEMENT FORTHCOMING

Los Angeles, CA- When it is announced in the coming weeks, you’ll be as surprised as I was upon learning that Freddie Roach, everybody’s 2008 trainer of the year, will train former world 140 lb. champ Ricky Hatton. That’s right! The man that trained Manny Pacquiao, who destroyed Hatton in two rounds a month ago for the world 140 lb. championship, he will now train the lad from Manchester, UK.

:huh

[icemax]

Just taken this from the GF



Can you please put it back where you found it :D My bullshit-o-meter went beserk whenI read this

[Beeston Brawler]

That must be nonsense.

[achillesthegreat]

Would actually be a good idea. However Hattons problem isn't skill. It always has been and always will be his technique.

[GazOC]

Pointless (if true, I have my doubts). If he fights on its the fact that he's either shot or he's not shot that will be the deciding factor in how he does. Not another new trainer.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Emanuel Steward trained Oliver McCall to KO Lennox Lewis in 2 rounds

then soon took over to build Lennox into the best

it can be done

But in this case - Hatton is just best off retiring

[doug.ie]

That must be nonsense.

why ?

i fully believe it.

if hatton does continue then he needs a trainer...who better than freddie ?

but which corner will freddie be in if khan v hatton did happen ??..and where would each train?...same trainers / gyms..dunno how that would work.


.

[bringitondown]

Team Hatton wanting this wouldn't surprise me one bit. Hatton lost to Mayweather and looked bad against Lazcano, so Team Hatton sacked Graham (and announced that Graham was retiring, instead of announcing the truth that they had sacked him and then Graham retired), and then Hatton was obliterated in two by Pacquiao so once again it's the trainer that is at fault. :roll:

Hatton is shot and should just retire. He can no longer get himself in the shape he used to be in, and when he gets in the ring he just doesn't think (as well as having a much worse punch resistance than he used to have). He thought he could just roll over Pacquiao because he was "too big" for Pacquiao and didn't do as he was told - and got knocked out for it. If he's not going to listen to Graham and he's not going to listen to Floyd Snr, you can bet he wouldn't listen to Roach.

I would be surprised if Roach would train Hatton anyway. After the fight he was interviewed and was asked about the rumour of him training Hatton. Roach said he would have liked to have done so before the fight, but now he thinks he should just retire and said about how Roach was advised to retire but carried on for five more fights without a trainer and lost four of them and got Parkinson's disease because of it.

[Davro]

Hatton is shot and should just retire. He can no longer get himself in the shape he used to be in, and when he gets in the ring he just doesn't think (as well as having a much worse punch resistance than he used to have). He thought he could just roll over Pacquiao because he was "too big" for Pacquiao and didn't do as he was told - and got knocked out for it. If he's not going to listen to Graham and he's not going to listen to Floyd Snr, you can bet he wouldn't listen to Roach.



What a crock of shite - how do you know what Mayweather's instructions and game plan for Hatton was?? A few comments on 24/7? What was he supposed to be doing v Pac then, using his jab?? :lol:

[bringitondown]

What a crock of shite - how do you know what Mayweather's instructions and game plan for Hatton was?? A few comments on 24/7? What was he supposed to be doing v Pac then, using his jab?? :lol:

I'm pretty sure his instructions weren't to go out with his hands down by chest and only use left hooks and lead rights. He definitely didn't listen to what Graham was telling Hatton in the corner for the latter half of the Mayweather fight and the Lazcano fight and he definitely didn't listen to what Mayweather was telling Hatton in the corner after the first round against Pacquiao.

[TheUzi]

Ricky seriously needs to retire.....
What fighter could he actually defeat thats going to enhance his reputation?? ANSWER-none i'm afraid.

[maxwell-jr]

no way ........ but saying that, that old boy witters still around for rick to beat!

[realist77]

Would actually be a good idea. However Hattons problem isn't skill. It always has been and always will be his technique.
What about his defence?

[safc1990]

Roach said himself that Hatton doesn't have the ability to adapt his style so why bother? Then again I heard that Roach told Nazim Richardson that Margarito's handwraps may be illegal in the build-up to the Mosley fight and now he is training Margo. Strange.

:huh

["TKO"]

Team Hatton wanting this wouldn't surprise me one bit. Hatton lost to Mayweather and looked bad against Lazcano, so Team Hatton sacked Graham (and announced that Graham was retiring, instead of announcing the truth that they had sacked him and then Graham retired), and then Hatton was obliterated in two by Pacquiao so once again it's the trainer that is at fault. :roll:

With hindsight, maybe Hatton and Floyd Senior was always destined to end in tears. A fighter whose natural instinct is to have a tear up and who doesn't always follow instructions with a trainer who is his own biggest fan and would far rather wash his hands of any responsibility for a fighter's loss. Sounds like a recipe for disaster when you look at it like that.

["TKO"]

Ricky seriously needs to retire.....
What fighter could he actually defeat thats going to enhance his reputation?? ANSWER-none i'm afraid.

Quite possibly true that, we've already seen that he can't be successful at welter, Pac is out of the question and the likes of Bradley, Holt, Torres, Kotelnik aren't any better than the types of fighter he's beaten already and aren't going to add much to his legacy (OK maybe if he beat them all but any one or two individually won't add much). Plus he runs a risk of getting beat by those types of guys if he's that past his best which may hurt his legacy in the long run.

[Davro]

I'm pretty sure his instructions weren't to go out with his hands down by chest and only use left hooks and lead rights. He definitely didn't listen to what Graham was telling Hatton in the corner for the latter half of the Mayweather fight and the Lazcano fight and he definitely didn't listen to what Mayweather was telling Hatton in the corner after the first round against Pacquiao.


Like I said before, what did Mayweather say? What were his instructions? What plan/instructions was Hatton ignoring. Or is it all conjecture from you...

The Mayweathers are a trashy arrogant family which don't like losing - when Hatton got embarrassed v pac, it could never have been partially Floyd's fault could it??? No it was all Hatton---not listening

You are going round accusing Hatton of being arrogant and ignorant, ignoring his coaches and trainers - yet you don't know shit. Has Hatton admitted he never listened to Floyd?? why did he fork out all that money for him then? If you are going to badmouth Hatton, at least get your facts straight.

And I think fight plans v Pacquiao consist of more than 'keep your hands up'.

[Davro]

With hindsight, maybe Hatton and Floyd Senior was always destined to end in tears. A fighter whose natural instinct is to have a tear up and who doesn't always follow instructions with a trainer who is his own biggest fan and would far rather wash his hands of any responsibility for a fighter's loss. Sounds like a recipe for disaster when you look at it like that.


well said. would floyd ever say - "i take full responsibility for that loss - I gave Hatton bad training and advice"?? more chance of a blowjob from the queen

[Darni187]

Like I said before, what did Mayweather say? What were his instructions? What plan/instructions was Hatton ignoring. Or is it all conjecture from you...

The Mayweathers are a trashy arrogant family which don't like losing - when Hatton got embarrassed v pac, it could never have been partially Floyd's fault could it??? No it was all Hatton---not listening

You are going round accusing Hatton of being arrogant and ignorant, ignoring his coaches and trainers - yet you don't know shit. Has Hatton admitted he never listened to Floyd?? why did he fork out all that money for him then? If you are going to badmouth Hatton, at least get your facts straight.

Good points, Hatton needs to quit the sport, his head is not right ever since he lost to Floyd jr. Dr.Roach will be no good at this late stage of Hatton's career.

[Davro]

Ricky seriously needs to retire.....
What fighter could he actually defeat thats going to enhance his reputation?? ANSWER-none i'm afraid.


He could batter Khan (and Roach) after beating MAB, and he could beat Timothy Bradley for the 140lb belts and retire a champion.

It's never nice to retire after losing.

["TKO"]

Like I said before, what did Mayweather say? What were his instructions? What plan/instructions was Hatton ignoring. Or is it all conjecture from you...

The Mayweathers are a trashy arrogant family which don't like losing - when Hatton got embarrassed v pac, it could never have been partially Floyd's fault could it??? No it was all Hatton---not listening

You are going round accusing Hatton of being arrogant and ignorant, ignoring his coaches and trainers - yet you don't know shit. Has Hatton admitted he never listened to Floyd?? why did he fork out all that money for him then? If you are going to badmouth Hatton, at least get your facts straight.

And I think fight plans v Pacquiao consist of more than 'keep your hands up'.

This is about how I see it. We all know Hatton's style is a little reckless at time, but on the other hand we all know what an arrogant lot the Mayweather's actually are. When a fighter trained by FM senior gets his clock cleaned like that, it doesn't seem at all far fetched that he's going to place the blame solely on the fighter rather than acknowledge thst there may have been some flaw in his thinking. Who knows which one it is, but as ever with Hatton there are a number of people keen to make massive assumptions in the never-ending quest to do him down.

Agree re: Pac, if it was as simple as "keep your hands up and he won't be able to take you out" against a fighter with his arsenal every fighter would do it.It's not and never has been.

["TKO"]

He could batter Khan (and Roach) after beating MAB, and he could beat Timothy Bradley for the 140lb belts and retire a champion.

It's never nice to retire after losing.

To be honest I kind of agree with The Uzi here. I don't think a win over Khan would do much for Hatton. Khan is still completely unproven and while he may get the better of Kotelnik, this would show nothing other than that ****** is a clever matchmaker. Fighter with little punch power and who is aging a little = only 140 champ Khan can beat. He gets his clock cleaned by anyone who can punch. Hatton could beat Bradley, but with all the ?s hanging over him after the Pac fight, he could well end up losing it as well, which there would have been no chance of a couple of years ago. Whilst Bradley is unspectacular, he is a solid, well schooled, workaday fighter and is a risk probably not worth taking at this stage. If I was him, I would have one comeback fight at the MEN, retire and enjoy my ongoing good health and my money.

[Tuffnutz]

No Khan fight then?

[El Cepillo]

Seems unlikely that Roach will relocate to Manchester, or that Hatton wil relocate to LA....for any significant period of time.

[bringitondown]

Like I said before, what did Mayweather say? What were his instructions? What plan/instructions was Hatton ignoring. Or is it all conjecture from you...

Fight plans are irrelevant when someone does the absolute basics all wrong when they get in the ring. Hatton was very clearly instructed to keep his hands up. Did he keep his hands up? Hatton was very clearly instructed to use his jab. Did he use his jab? Hatton was very clearly instructed to move his head. Did you see much head movement? Mayweather in the corner said to Hatton: "You should have listened to me from day one". Does that sound like Hatton had taken Mayweather's advice on board to you?

No one, other than those within the Hatton camp, knows exactly what the fight plan was - but a fight plan is futile when the fighter makes very basic errors as soon as they get in the ring. Do you seriously think that Roach could come up with a fight plan that would work for someone who can't even do the basics right anymore?

The Mayweathers are a trashy arrogant family which don't like losing - when Hatton got embarrassed v pac, it could never have been partially Floyd's fault could it??? No it was all Hatton---not listening

The blame ultimately has to lie with Hatton. It was Hatton making the basic errors in the ring - it was the basics that caused Hatton to be knocked out in two rounds.

I don't think the Mayweathers being a "trashy and arrogant family which don't like losing" (which they undoubtedly are) makes any difference to how good they are in the sport of boxing.

But I definitely think that from what I've seen there are things that Floyd Snr should have done differently - southpaw padwork for one. Doing southpaw pads helps with footwork and the different leverages and angles of punches, but Floyd Snr decided to orthodox. The combinations of the mitts didn't seem right to me either, especially for the type of fighter Hatton is. However, that isn't what cost Hatton the fight.

You are going round accusing Hatton of being arrogant and ignorant, ignoring his coaches and trainers - yet you don't know shit. Has Hatton admitted he never listened to Floyd?? why did he fork out all that money for him then? If you are going to badmouth Hatton, at least get your facts straight.

I've not accused Hatton of being arrogant. He has ignored his trainers when he's got in the ring though. Looking at who it is coming from, I think I'll take being told that I "don't know shit" as a compliment. Do you really think Hatton would come out say he never listened to Floyd? That would be like him saying before a fight that he's not in the shape of his life and him referring to himself in the first person for a change - but it's never going to happen. Hatton forked out that money because he wanted the best trainer, and thought that's what he was getting. Hatton was starting to blame Billy Graham instead of just realising that his career was starting to demise. It's easier to blame someone else than yourself.

And I'm not "badmouthing" Hatton, I'm just looking at it from a realistic point of view. I've been a Hatton fan for years and I don't want to see him risk his health further. He's been a two-weight world champion and earnt a lot of money - what reason has he got to continue? Hatton's punch resistance, fitness and all round ability have dimished, along with the ability to rectify his weaknesses - it's just not worth carrying on.

And I think fight plans v Pacquiao consist of more than 'keep your hands up'.

You can't implement any plan if you can't defend yourself.

And to turn your own thoughts on you: how do you know that Roach or anyone else can come up with a better plan if you don't know what Mayweather's plan was?

[GPater11093]

Roach is a great tacticain especially offensivly cant see no harm

[achillesthegreat]

What about his defence?

Yet again, he knows all the defensive moves like moving his head, blocking with his arms, parrying etc However his technique in doing these moves is poor. He'll be parrying while jumping in with his chin up, his other hand will be low etc etc

Hattons skill level isn't poor, his technique however is really sloppy.

[NO MAS]

What about his defence?

I think that your aviator answers every question about what Hatton should do...... he has got as high as he can go at 140.... suffered to concusive KO's...time to retire IMO :yep

[Olu G. Rotimi]

If Roach is in fact to train Hatton then it gives credence to Floyd Mayweather Senior calling him a Joke Coach. After the Pacman contest Roach was one of those saying Hatton should retire, not risk getting permanently damaged and even making reference to his own career going on longer than he should have and the Parkinson's syndrome he suffers from today.

[BURNLEYBLUE]

Yet again, he knows all the defensive moves like moving his head, blocking with his arms, parrying etc However his technique in doing these moves is poor. He'll be parrying while jumping in with his chin up, his other hand will be low etc etc

Hattons skill level isn't poor, his technique however is really sloppy.
Intense pressure fighters wil usually be found out at top level.Defence is secondry to offence. I do think hatton relied to much on outstrengthing his opponents post Tzu. Small mistakes in Hattons technique were massively magnified against 2 elite fighters.

[barrington]

With hindsight, maybe Hatton and Floyd Senior was always destined to end in tears. A fighter whose natural instinct is to have a tear up and who doesn't always follow instructions with a trainer who is his own biggest fan and would far rather wash his hands of any responsibility for a fighter's loss. Sounds like a recipe for disaster when you look at it like that.It was and I said so at the time,I allso said again at the time when he let Billy go that he should have gone to Roach.

[namsu55]

Hatton trained by Roach! Hattons worst nightmare will be there he should just end it.

[Guy]

If Roach is in fact to train Hatton then it gives credence to Floyd Mayweather Senior calling him a Joke Coach. After the Pacman contest Roach was one of those saying Hatton should retire, not risk getting permanently damaged and even making reference to his own career going on longer than he should have and the Parkinson's syndrome he suffers from today.


He was only offering his advice on his past experience, he didn't say Hatton has to retire or he's going to die.

If Hatton's team approaches him for tutelage offering him good money, there's a chance he may say yes.

Maybe just to prove the Mayweather senior did it 'wrong':deal

[Betty Swollocks]

why would Roach waste even more time with another overrated British clubfighter?
Wasting his time with Hatton.....Nobody can polish a turd, even a superb coach like Roach.

[widdy]

why would Roach waste even more time with another overrated British clubfighter?
Wasting his time with Hatton.....Nobody can polish a turd, even a superb coach like Roach.

ammount of shit comes out of your mouth,im sure someone would find one to polish:rofl

[PrideOfWales]

WHAT A LOAD OF TOSH!

Whoever wrote this is speaking absolute horse-shit. Freddie Roach is a man of his word, of that there is no doubt. He stopped training Hopkins because he walked to the wrong corner a few times against Calzaghe. Roach always looks out for fighters taking punishment without neccesity due to his owns Parkinsons. Roach is one of those guys who speaks the truth, no bullshit and when he says things like "I love Ricky and his family but he should retire" he means that shit. I will be more surprised than anything if this announcement is made.

[Guy]

Roach came out with the OAP lost in the ring stuff after he was dropped.

[ishy]

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[zfc]

He could batter Khan (and Roach) after beating MAB, and he could beat Timothy Bradley for the 140lb belts and retire a champion.

It's never nice to retire after losing.

Bradley would probably give Ricky a nasty beating I would rather see him retire than risk his health to satisfy people like you who cannot accept that Ricky Hatton isn`t as good as you thought.

["TKO"]

why would Roach waste even more time with another overrated British clubfighter?
Wasting his time with Hatton.....Nobody can polish a turd, even a superb coach like Roach.

Fuck off you mentally retarded tool, if you are incapable of making a positive contribution to a constructive debate just stay the fuck out of it and let those of us with an IQ higher than our shoe size make that contribution.

["TKO"]

Bradley would probably give Ricky a nasty beating I would rather see him retire than risk his health to satisfy like you who cannot accept that Ricky Hatton isn`t as good as you thought.

Come off it! Bradley couldn't give his own meat a nasty beating, he is a solid, workmanlike fighter with decent technique and a punch output. That's it. He is not a devastating puncher, a KO artist or proven as anything more than a beltholder at the moment.

[GPater11093]

Come off it! Bradley couldn't give his own meat a nasty beating, he is a solid, workmanlike fighter with decent technique and a punch output. That's it. He is not a devastating puncher, a KO artist or proven as anything more than a beltholder at the moment.

hes a decent fighter has heart an alright chin. Works away has good technique. A solid champion at the moment.

Hell never be an ATG but he can become a solid champ. Hes looking to unify the division and what is he 23? still young to mature and develop i cansee him being adecent fighter in a bad division.

[Davro]

Bradley would probably give Ricky a nasty beating I would rather see him retire than risk his health to satisfy people like you who cannot accept that Ricky Hatton isn`t as good as you thought.

Hatton isn't as good as I thought?

He's beaten some of the world's best and fought ATGs so show some respect. Just because he lost to the two best fighters this decade doesn't make him a chump. Timothy Bradley is not Manny Pacquiao - he is more Juan Lazcano or Luis Collazo and he has belts to take.

Hatton whupped Malignaggi after Floyd, he can come back from defeats.

He took an awful knockout, but people make out he's out of Rocky IV and can't see anymore or summat. Hatton isn't decrepid - he just got KOd by a brutal puncher he was unable to defend against. Hatton is still Hatton and can work Bradley over, and I sincerely hope he attempts it.

[The taff]

Originally Posted by Betty Swollocks [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
why would Roach waste even more time with another overrated British clubfighter?
Wasting his time with Hatton.....Nobody can polish a turd, even a superb coach like Roach.


Fuck off you mentally retarded tool, if you are incapable of making a positive contribution to a constructive debate just stay the fuck out of it and let those of us with an IQ higher than our shoe size make that contribution.

:lol: Sorry that made me laugh :good

[zfc]

Hatton isn't as good as I thought?

He's beaten some of the world's best and fought ATGs so show some respect. Just because he lost to the two best fighters this decade doesn't make him a chump. Timothy Bradley is not Manny Pacquiao - he is more Juan Lazcano or Luis Collazo and he has belts to take.

Hatton whupped Malignaggi after Floyd, he can come back from defeats.

He took an awful knockout, but people make out he's out of Rocky IV and can't see anymore or summat. Hatton isn't decrepid - he just got KOd by a brutal puncher he was unable to defend against. Hatton is still Hatton and can work Bradley over, and I sincerely hope he attempts it.

I am not saying Hatton is a chump I am saying he is not as good as many make him out to be.The ATG`s you say he has beat were well past their best and Hatton feasted on what was left of them.Hatton to date has never beaten a top class fighter while in their prime, he has beaten good fighters though I am not doubting that.

Out of interest do you respect Trevor Berbick for beating one of the greatest fighters ever even tough he was years past his best?

IMO Hatton would struggle with young hungry fighters who would like his name on their cv just like Tszyu and Castillo did.

[GazOC]

We've "done" the Ali vs Berbick/ Hatton vs Zoo comparision and it doesn't really hold up. Zoo was in good health and coming off an impressive KO win of his number 1 contender while Ali was showing the onset of Parkinsons and had had a one sided beating from Holmes.

If you want to make a general point then FAR better comparisons to make would be McGuigans win over Pedroza and Straceys win over Napoles - British fighters who at their peak put in very good performances to beat great champions who, though past their primes, were still very dangerous fighters.

But hey!! Why worry about being fair and accurate eh?

[zfc]

You`ll have to forgive me as I didn`t see those threads but the comparisons you make are fair ones.

I suppose you could add the Danny Williams/ Mike Tyson one as well, no matter what anyone says the name is on the record no matter what condition the big name fighter was in.

But we all know Tszyu wasn`t in his prime and was at the end of his career while Castillos best performances were at lightweight.

[GazOC]

But we all know Tszyu wasn`t in his prime and was at the end of his career while Castillos best performances were at lightweight.

I can't argue with either of those points. I think the Zoo win is pretty credible, although past his best the guy was a dominant career 140lber who had just flattened Sharmba Mitchell 6 months ealier whereas Castillo was more of a "job well done" against a guy clearly on the downward slope and fighting outside his natural weight.

[NO MAS]

We've "done" the Ali vs Berbick/ Hatton vs Zoo comparision and it doesn't really hold up. Zoo was in good health and coming off an impressive KO win of his number 1 contender while Ali was showing the onset of Parkinsons and had had a one sided beating from Holmes.

If you want to make a general point then FAR better comparisons to make would be McGuigans win over Pedroza and Straceys win over Napoles - British fighters who at their peak put in very good performances to beat great champions who, though past their primes, were still very dangerous fighters.

But hey!! Why worry about being fair and accurate eh?

I think the reason why McGuigan got to fight Pedroza was quite simple...

They would have got Azumah Nelson for half the money that they had to pay Pedroza... Azumah Nelson would have marmalised McGuigan...

Pedroza was well on the slide.. I think that McGuigan had a harder fight against Juan La Porte in the final eliminator IMO :yep

[GazOC]

You're right, that right hand he caught off Laporte in the 8th or 9th (??) nearly spun Barrys head around. Pedroza was getting on and McGuigan, like Hatton, made the old champ work at a rate he wasn't comfortable with,

[NO MAS]

You're right, that right hand he caught off Laporte in the 8th or 9th (??) nearly spun Barrys head around. Pedroza was getting on and McGuigan, like Hatton, made the old champ work at a rate he wasn't comfortable with,

The 9th Gaz... shook him to his boots.. straight down the pipe... held on for dear life.. I thought that McGuigan should have been able to have stopped Pedroza in the 7th when he put him down... Do you agree that Azumah Nelson would have beat McGuigan? :think

[GazOC]

Do you agree that Azumah Nelson would have beat McGuigan? :think


Yep Nelson was a different class. I've seen an interview where even Barry, fair play to him, admits that Nelson would have been too much for him.

[NO MAS]

Yep Nelson was a different class. I've seen an interview where even Barry, fair play to him, admits that Nelson would have been too much for him.

Gaz.. Do you do the predictions league on here?

[GazOC]

I did Decebels but thats seems to have gone to the wall. I did the Brit one for a week or so but I found myself guessing once the level of fight got below a certain level, once you havn't seen either of the boxers you're being asked to pick a winner from it just becomes a Boxrec search exercise and I didn't really want to do it that way (if that makes sense??).

[NO MAS]

I did Decebels but thats seems to have gone to the wall. I did the Brit one for a week or so but I found myself guessing once the level of fight got below a certain level, once you havn't seen either of the boxers you're being asked to pick a winner from it just becomes a Boxrec search exercise and I didn't really want to do it that way (if that makes sense??).

Total sense...:good

[Davro]

Tszyu wasn't "past it" - he was 36 FFS - younger than Calzaghe, not some old man.
He went 11 rounds with Hatton who had the best fight of his career, and there was only one round in it by most judges' scorecards.

Why to Brits have to turn on their own so viciously and try to ruin notions of success? Tszyu was a title holder who owned everyone in the states at the time - including Julio Cesar Chavez. It was a cracking fight up until Tszyu quit, which Hatton had to bust a gut for.

Kostya Tszyu was no lame duck that night -- not many light welterweights now would have beaten him over twleve rounds. Why to you have to rewrite history and make it some sort of underachievement??

[Dunky McCafferty]

Man, I saw this thread, had a quick look, got bored VERY quickly, & theres a reason for that my friends.
Now I admit, that I didnt read the thread right through, thats cos I found out who the guy that started this rumour off was, & hes the biggest bullshiter thats ever walked the internet.

Everyones dicks are getting hard here at the thought of Freddie training Hatton, but it aint gonna happen if you ask me.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

He was only offering his advice on his past experience, he didn't say Hatton has to retire or he's going to die.

If Hatton's team approaches him for tutelage offering him good money, there's a chance he may say yes.

Maybe just to prove the Mayweather senior did it 'wrong':deal

I doubt any trainer could have helped Hatton at this stage of his career against Pacman though I am not a fan of Floyd Mayweather Senior who is not a patch on Uncle Roger Mayweather.

[Guy]

I doubt any trainer could have helped Hatton at this stage of his career against Pacman though I am not a fan of Floyd Mayweather Senior who is not a patch on Uncle Roger Mayweather.

I think you're right the outcome would have been the same whoever trained him at this stage of his career.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Yep Nelson was a different class. I've seen an interview where even Barry, fair play to him, admits that Nelson would have been too much for him.

Azumah was definitely in a different class to Barry who shamefully avoided him. At least Hatton fought Tyzu, PBF & Pacman.

[zfc]

Tszyu wasn't "past it" - he was 36 FFS - younger than Calzaghe, not some old man.
He went 11 rounds with Hatton who had the best fight of his career, and there was only one round in it by most judges' scorecards.

Why to Brits have to turn on their own so viciously and try to ruin notions of success? Tszyu was a title holder who owned everyone in the states at the time - including Julio Cesar Chavez. It was a cracking fight up until Tszyu quit, which Hatton had to bust a gut for.

Kostya Tszyu was no lame duck that night -- not many light welterweights now would have beaten him over twleve rounds. Why to you have to rewrite history and make it some sort of underachievement??

Tszyu owned a 38 year old Julio Cesar Chavez who was years past his best? Hardly something to boast about is it?

Dick you dont seem to realise that the smaller guys are on the slide after they reach 32.The bigger guys tend to slide a few years later .............

["TKO"]

Tszyu owned a 38 year old Julio Cesar Chavez who was years past his best? Hardly something to boast about is it?

Dick you dont seem to realise that the smaller guys are on the slide after they reach 32.The bigger guys tend to slide a few years later .............

You can't put an arbitrary number and say "well small guys slide after this age" or "big guys slide after this age". It depends on the individual fighter and their lifestyle, i.e. how many hard wars they've had, whether they balloon in weight, how late they started as a pro, whether they party too hard outside of the ring. You have to look at how each individual is fighting at the time to gauge where they are in their careers and being ranked #1 in the division, #3 p4p, coming off an 8 year unbeaten streak and a 3 round mauling of the #2 guy suggests a fighter in pretty damn good nick.

[Davro]

Tszyu owned a 38 year old Julio Cesar Chavez who was years past his best? Hardly something to boast about is it?

Dick you dont seem to realise that the smaller guys are on the slide after they reach 32.The bigger guys tend to slide a few years later .............


Tszyu wasn't old and past it that night, that's revisionist crap.

Calzaghe fighting Jones Jr. in his 40s when he needed a stairlift to get into the ring was picking an ancient past it fighter.

Hatton was simply awesome that night, not because Tszyu was too old - and making out Tszyu was old and frail takes away Hatton's achievement.

I see now your picking through Kostya Tszyu's career now - he apparently won his belts off old fighters as well?? Despite many saying he was the best 140lb champion ever :lol:

[widdy]

Tszyu wasn't old and past it that night, that's revisionist crap.

Calzaghe fighting Jones Jr. in his 40s when he needed a stairlift to get into the ring was picking an ancient past it fighter.

Hatton was simply awesome that night, not because Tszyu was too old - and making out Tszyu was old and frail takes away Hatton's achievement.

I see now your picking through Kostya Tszyu's career now - he apparently won his belts off old fighters as well?? Despite many saying he was the best 140lb champion ever :lol:

dick,that zfc is a tool of the highest order when it comes to hatton,he got one of my fave boxers in honeygan on his photo,he should take him off ,he don't deserve a british great up there if he is gonna bitch like a betty swallocks bum boy about another british great:good

[zfc]

I havent said anything bad about Naz widdy........I just dont think Hatton was ever as good as you think he was even though I enjoyed him fighting and went to se him fight many times live including the PBF in Vegas.

Surely the forum is about debate and not agreeing,if we all agreed on everythingthe n there would be no point in a forum would there?........Now chill out and stop taking Hatton comments so personally.

[GazOC]

I havent said anything bad about Naz widdy........I just dont think Hatton was ever as good as you think he was even though I enjoyed him fighting and went to se him fight many times live including the PBF in Vegas.


But thats one of the issues we keep going around and around on this forum, just how good do the pro Hatton posters claim he is? Most would just tell you he's been a decent world champ for the last 4 years, they don't claim he's an ATG or an "Elite" fighter (even before the Pac loss) while the anti-Hatton section seem intent on trying to rewrite every win of Hattons in order to try and discredit what (IMHO) has been one of the better careers of a post War British boxer.

[Brick-Top]

Tszyu owned a 38 year old Julio Cesar Chavez who was years past his best? Hardly something to boast about is it?

Dick you dont seem to realise that the smaller guys are on the slide after they reach 32.The bigger guys tend to slide a few years later .............

Just to throw my orr in, Kostya Tszyu had actually had less fights that Ricky Hatton when the 2 fighters met in the ring, so despite Kostyas age, it wasnt as if he had loads more miles on the clock was it?

["TKO"]

But thats one of the issues we keep going around and around on this forum, just how good do the pro Hatton posters claim he is? Most would just tell you he's been a decent world champ for the last 4 years, they don't claim he's an ATG or an "Elite" fighter (even before the Pac loss) while the anti-Hatton section seem intent on trying to rewrite every win of Hattons in order to try and discredit what (IMHO) has been one of the better careers of a post War British boxer.

Thank you. Amen to this :deal

["TKO"]

Just to throw my orr in, Kostya Tszyu had actually had less fights that Ricky Hatton when the 2 fighters met in the ring, so despite Kostyas age, it wasnt as if he had loads more miles on the clock was it?

To be fair, yes. Tszyu had been fighting world class opposition since his fourth bout when he took on Juan LaPorte. Hatton hadn't been fighting at that level, though he had some decent opponents (Magee, Tackie, Oliveira, Stewart), he was clearly better than most of them. He did not have the mileage on the clock that Tszyu did. That said, Tszyu was a very well preserved 35, he had always kept in immaculate shape and hadn't had that many real wars due to his ability to dominate most of that competition. Tszyu was a bit too "unfashionable" for his own good in that Judah was the closest he got to a career defining fight. Most of the big names who could have given him that bout either jumped over 140 (Mosley) or stopped there only briefly (DLH, PBF)

[fowler26]

did tszyu have a hard time making weight at the hatton fight? Seem to remember he had to weigh in for the 2nd time to get to the limit. Maybe he was weight drained.

[Davro]

so now we're actively searching for reasons why Tszyu lost...it simply couldn't have anything to do with Hatton being a decent boxer...

it's a shame ahuge percentage of his haters seem to be British as well

["TKO"]

so now we're actively searching for reasons why Tszyu lost...it simply couldn't have anything to do with Hatton being a decent boxer...

it's a shame ahuge percentage of his haters seem to be British as well

Wake up, that's been the case for about the last 3 years 11 months! We've heard everything from he'd only fought 3 rounds in 18 months (whereas if he'd gone 12 with Mitchell that would also have been a negative) to the 2am start time (I can only assume Hatton fought in a time warp) via alleged bad refereeing, Hatton's supposed dirty tactics (how dare he respond to two low blows with one of his own), Tszyu's age and anything else they can drag up! That's the great British public for you, hate on anyone near the top of the game, hence the similar scorn of Andy Murray, Tim Henman at his peak, Lewis Hamilton, Lennox Lewis and Manchester United.

[widdy]

Wake up, that's been the case for about the last 3 years 11 months! We've heard everything from he'd only fought 3 rounds in 18 months (whereas if he'd gone 12 with Mitchell that would also have been a negative) to the 2am start time (I can only assume Hatton fought in a time warp) via alleged bad refereeing, Hatton's supposed dirty tactics (how dare he respond to two low blows with one of his own), Tszyu's age and anything else they can drag up! That's the great British public for you, hate on anyone near the top of the game, hence the similar scorn of Andy Murray, Tim Henman at his peak, Lewis Hamilton, Lennox Lewis and Manchester United.

come on tko,henman was a bag of shit,and murrys not far behind:hey

lewis hamilton is a one season wonder,and manchester utd have got that wanker ronaldo playing for em