View Full Version : Did Corrie Sanders truly have Wladimir's number?
RAMPAGE0017
09-01-2007, 05:50 PM
I remember for a while people were saying that Brewster had Wlad's number, and no offense to those who thought that.. but that was just completely stupid.
Corrie Sanders on the other hand genuinely gave Wlad problems, and he also seemed like someone who would ALWAYS give Wlad problems. Sanders is no longer at whatever peak he was ever at so I wouldn't even bother making a prediction if they were to fight today, but the Sanders who beat Wladimir that particular night, IMO would beat Wladimir on any night.
Thoughts and opinions?
KayEpps
09-01-2007, 05:51 PM
That night he did. There's no way Sanders beats him now.
Imperial1
09-01-2007, 05:53 PM
Only a rematch will tell us if he does ..
Styles make fights.
At the time I think Corrie matched up well against the over confident less trained Wladimir. A rematch would be a death sentence for Corrie.
As I once heard Lennox Lewis say "When you have a trainer like Manny Steward you know how to fight any style that's put in front of you.
RAMPAGE0017
09-01-2007, 06:01 PM
Styles make fights.
At the time I think Corrie matched up well against the over confident less trained Wladimir. A rematch would be a death sentence for Corrie.
As I once heard Lennox Lewis say "When you have a trainer like Manny Steward you know how to fight any style that's put in front of you.
I disagree. Corrie Sanders was in perfect range to fire the left at Wladimir, he was quicker than Wlad, and not only that but his left was fucking sneaky.. he even caught Vitali with a few good ones. I'm not a WLAD-hater but I truly believe that Sanders had Wladimir's number.
TheGreat
09-01-2007, 06:07 PM
Sanders was shot when he KO'd Wlad beleave or not now he isn't even a fighter anymore as for Brewster he was a threat before the fight with Sergie now he is no longer a player in the division.
lefthook31
09-01-2007, 06:07 PM
Any fighter with a little skill and some balls could have done that to Wladmir at that time, simply because he didnt know how to "fight". He knew ho to box, but he didnt know how to fight, and he fell apart when fighters took it to him, and didnt cooperate with him on the outside.
Butch Coolidge
09-01-2007, 06:20 PM
I actually predicted Sanders was going to blow Klitschko away. I figured Klitschko was too much in love with his own left hook and using something like that vs Sanders wouldn't be the smartest thing to do. Considering Sanders' southpaw stance, hand speed, power and accuracy, I would have kept Klitschko away from him if I was his trainer at all cost.
Now, I think Klitschko has enough ringsmarts to not fall into that trap. But Sanders was never an easy fight for anybody that I can think of.
TheGreat
09-01-2007, 06:26 PM
Any fighter with a little skill and some balls could have done that to Wladmir at that time, simply because he didnt know how to "fight". He knew ho to box, but he didnt know how to fight, and he fell apart when fighters took it to him, and didnt cooperate with him on the outside.
I agree even with stewart he has problems, against Peter who had a good chin and balls but was slow, crude and telegrahing slow round houses he paniced makeing Peter look good and nearly losing the fight, a paek Tyson, Foreman, Liston, Frazier or even Marciano would do a number on Wlad.
I disagree. Corrie Sanders was in perfect range to fire the left at Wladimir, he was quicker than Wlad, and not only that but his left was fucking sneaky.. he even caught Vitali with a few good ones. I'm not a WLAD-hater but I truly believe that Sanders had Wladimir's number.
I don't see where we disagree. I agree with everything you just wrote.
Corrie was in perfect range to fire the left because he matched up well.
He did have faster hands that's a good match up for Corrie. He most defintely had Wlad's number then.
I don't think Corrie has a snow ball chance in Hell of ever beating Wlad again. Steward would have him ready for sure IMO.
LennoxGOAT
09-01-2007, 06:58 PM
Wlad was arrogant and unprepared. Sanders would not beat him again.
brooklyn1550
09-01-2007, 07:26 PM
As it stands, yes, Corrie does have Wlad's number.
Feiti
09-01-2007, 07:29 PM
No, he didn´t have his number.
Corrie just had very fast hands and Wlad´s defense was somewhat lacking. Then corrie got slightly lucky and landed a punch Wlad never recovered from.
I think if you could redo the match, Wlad would win maybe 7 out of 10 times in that scenario. Therefore I´d say Corrie was a bit lucky, but certainly not freak lucky like Oliver McCall against Lewis or Foreman against Moore.
RAMPAGE0017
09-01-2007, 07:32 PM
I don't see where we disagree. I agree with everything you just wrote.
Corrie was in perfect range to fire the left because he matched up well.
He did have faster hands that's a good match up for Corrie. He most defintely had Wlad's number then.
I don't think Corrie has a snow ball chance in Hell of ever beating Wlad again. Steward would have him ready for sure IMO.
Sorry, I should've been more clear about what I was disagreeing on. I was disagreeing with Lennox' notion of "When you have a trainer like Manny Steward you know how to fight any style that's put in front of you." While it has SOME ring of truth to it, it doesn't matter what trainer you use your weaknesses will always be there.
Dekkers
09-01-2007, 07:32 PM
I think good punchers with fast hands will always be dangerous for Wlad, can't really see anyone like that in the curent division though, couple of prospects but no contenders.
RAMPAGE0017
09-01-2007, 07:34 PM
I think good punchers with fast hands will always be dangerous for Wlad, can't really see anyone like that in the curent division though, couple of prospects but no contenders.
Yeah, all's we've got now are weak punchers with quick hands.
Boom_Boom
09-01-2007, 07:38 PM
besides for Sanders power, Wlad did seem befuddled against his southpaw style , he didnt know how to keep him away
Dekkers
09-01-2007, 07:54 PM
Yeah, all's we've got now are weak punchers with quick hands.
Ibragimov would be dangerous if he had more pop, Chagaev if he had more speed (like in his early pro days), Briggs if he was 50 pounds lighter (which would solve a lot of his problems).
Sakura
09-01-2007, 08:37 PM
Ibragimov would be dangerous if he had more pop, Chagaev if he had more speed (like in his early pro days), Briggs if he was 50 pounds lighter (which would solve a lot of his problems).
Ibragimov is to small to be real threat to wlad. Briggs have size,speed and power to be somekind threat, or atleast when he was lighter..
joeboxer
09-01-2007, 08:40 PM
I remember for a while people were saying that Brewster had Wlad's number, and no offense to those who thought that.. but that was just completely stupid.
Corrie Sanders on the other hand genuinely gave Wlad problems, and he also seemed like someone who would ALWAYS give Wlad problems. Sanders is no longer at whatever peak he was ever at so I wouldn't even bother making a prediction if they were to fight today, but the Sanders who beat Wladimir that particular night, IMO would beat Wladimir on any night.
Thoughts and opinions?Sanders crushed Wlad, the Brewster debacle did not happen in this fight. However, with proper training I think the result could have been different. fighting a south paw with fast hands means you must move left after you throw a right. that way you are out of range for the left counter. Wlad didn't, in fact, on numerous occasions he moves right, right into sanders quick counter. no wonder he was levelled. in contrast, other than in round one, Vitali moves only left or backward vs. Sanders.
RUSKULL
09-01-2007, 08:42 PM
I remember for a while people were saying that Brewster had Wlad's number, and no offense to those who thought that.. but that was just completely stupid.
Corrie Sanders on the other hand genuinely gave Wlad problems, and he also seemed like someone who would ALWAYS give Wlad problems. Sanders is no longer at whatever peak he was ever at so I wouldn't even bother making a prediction if they were to fight today, but the Sanders who beat Wladimir that particular night, IMO would beat Wladimir on any night.
Thoughts and opinions?
I know what you're saying but the rumor is that Wladimir didn't even spar vs. any southpaws in preperation for that bout.
Dekkers
09-01-2007, 08:46 PM
Ibragimov is to small to be real threat to wlad. Briggs have size,speed and power to be somekind threat, or atleast when he was lighter..
Small fighters can still be very dangerous, a prime Tyson, Herbie Hide (imagine he even had an average/decent chin) would be a better example. Ibragimov has some of the fastest hands, and combinations out of the top fighters, defence is also improving but he doesn't co-ordinate his feet/lower body well enough, and doesn't get enough onto the end of his punches to do more than shake Wlad up a bit before getting KO'ed.
Sakura
09-01-2007, 08:50 PM
Small fighters can still be very dangerous, a prime Tyson, Herbie Hide (imagine he even had an average/decent chin) would be a better example. Ibragimov has some of the fastest hands, and combinations out of the top fighters, defence is also improving but he doesn't co-ordinate his feet/lower body well enough, and doesn't get enough onto the end of his punches to do more than shake Wlad up a bit before getting KO'ed.
There is no chance against wlad who fight outside and move and not try to go battle. Hope this fight come some day...
Mr "T"
09-01-2007, 09:07 PM
He has his # because he's tall and has a great straight left and Wald has no chin !
In your dreams. Wlad takes Corrie out in 2.:yep
Mr "T"
09-01-2007, 09:13 PM
Wlad was arrogant and unprepared. Sanders would not beat him again.
I'll give you 5 to 1 odds, you on?
Mr "T"
09-01-2007, 09:22 PM
I'll give you 5 to 1 odds, you on?
I misread the post. I meant Wlad 5 to 1. Thanks.
LB1900
09-01-2007, 09:33 PM
Any heavyweight with decent punch and fast hands will give W. Klitschko problems...
I believe Povetkin will KO wlad very fast as well....
If wlad is smart he gets a fight with povetkin very soon, before he gets any better !.
The longer he waits the more trouble he will be in.....
RAMPAGE0017
09-01-2007, 10:12 PM
Any heavyweight with decent punch and fast hands will give W. Klitschko problems...
I believe Povetkin will KO wlad very fast as well....
If wlad is smart he gets a fight with povetkin very soon, before he gets any better !.
The longer he waits the more trouble he will be in.....
Even everyone's beloved Povetkin I don't believe has the perfect skill-set required to beat Wladimir like Sanders did. Sanders was 6'4", quick handed, powerful, and he was relentess.. whenever he had Wladimir hurt he never let him off the hook, he was always right back at 'em. Not to mention the fact that he was a southpaw..
I think Sanders was just a stylistic nightmare for Wladimir.
That night he did. There's no way Sanders beats him now.
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I'd love to see what Manny looks like working the pads with Wlad...:lol:
I saw both live at Cologne. Manny looks great working the pads with Wlad.
compukiller
09-02-2007, 01:57 AM
Styles make fights.
At the time I think Corrie matched up well against the over confident less trained Wladimir. A rematch would be a death sentence for Corrie.
As I once heard Lennox Lewis say "When you have a trainer like Manny Steward you know how to fight any style that's put in front of you.
Tell that to Jermain Taylor!!:lol: :lol:
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