Rank them 1-5...Benn, Jackson, Norris, Eubank and McClellan

[asero]

Rank them 1-5...Benn, Jackson, Norris, Eubank and McClellan

all five have great talent and tremendous impact in their time but fails to be considered an ATG...

of the five, only norris had been inducted in the HOF but i rank him last

1. Benn
2. Norris
3. Eubank
4. Jackson
5. McClellan

[GDG]

I'm probably going to get stick for this...but I'm going to rank G-Man above Benn!!

Eubank
G-Man
Benn
Jackson
Norris

[lefthook31]

I'm probably going to get stick for this...but I'm going to rank G-Man above Benn!!

Eubank
G-Man
Benn
Jackson
Norris
I would too. You could have made a case that the fight should have been stopped when Benn was knocked out of the ring. I never thought Benn was all that great anyway. He was a sloppy fighter.
G-Man
Jackson
Norris
Eubank
Benn

[kosaros]

Norris
Eubank
Benn
McClellan
Jackson

[Vantage_West]

Norris- was for a few months seen as the numero uno

Eubank- good long reign hard style to figure out

Benn - tough mutha belwo eubank due to eubank beat and annexing his reign as champ

Jackson - heaviest hands ever some say. durable enough but very open to get hit.

mcClellan - heavy heavy puncher, concrete chin, good stamina...but beatable. thing is we havent seen enough of him in all honesty. jackson did get beat up horrificly in the rematch but his prime was already over and jackson was getitng outpointed and anoitnted at every level. we havent seen enough of mcClellan i feel to make a educated estimate.

[PowerPuncher]

Tough to rank, I think Norris is the slickest, GMAN and Jackson the most impressive offensively, Eubank ofcourse beat Benn who beat GMAN who beat Jackson who beat Norris, but in some ways Norris and Jackson could be seen to be the best. GMAN was possibly shot coming into the BEnn fight (potentially carrying brain trauma)

Herol Graham should have beat Jackson and may well schooled the rest of them, he arguably beat McCallum who dominated Jackson and Watson and Collins who both have wins over Eubanks and Benn. Graham is never getting inducted though.

[PowerPuncher]

BTW BEnn/Eubank/McClellan never proved themselves top dogs while Toney/Nunn/Maccullum/Jones Jr were holding the title of 'numero uno' in their respective divisions

[Vantage_West]

Tough to rank, I think Norris is the slickest, GMAN and Jackson the most impressive offensively, Eubank ofcourse beat Benn who beat GMAN who beat Jackson who beat Norris, but in some ways Norris and Jackson could be seen to be the best. GMAN was possibly shot coming into the BEnn fight (potentially carrying brain trauma)

Herol Graham should have beat Jackson and may well schooled the rest of them, he arguably beat McCallum who dominated Jackson and Watson and Collins who both have wins over Eubanks and Benn. Graham is never getting inducted though.
good points, it's unclear if g-man was in danger before the benn fight or if he had won he was would of gone on to better things. but with the talk about migraines after ther jackson fight. it is a posabilty that he was shot before he got into his stride. he was still a new champion at the time. a close figth agianst julian in the 1st match. but jay bell and baptist. were not the toughest of comp...baptist was a good 154 contender but was at the end of his career by this time




norris i think could of lost to all the above (jackson did lose horrificly before he landed that peach of a right hand)mainly due to size and strength issues. but i think he would of looked good for a while.

he is the only HOF in the list, he beat the stiffer comp, and was top 5 at the start of the year and before the simon brown I fight he was seen as the p4per #1 for few 2 or 3 months. also most title defences at 154.

the more i think about it the more i feel norris shoudl be above them in all areas. i dunno prove me wrong peeps

[lefthook31]

I really thought Mclellan was starting to come into his own around the Benn fight. He had been brought up by Emanuel Steward, and his confidence was sky high coming off of the two blowouts of Jackson. What if the fight with Mclellan was stopped after Benn was knocked down and out of the ring? That would have been three consecutive destructions of top tier fighters. Could Norris, who was really a junior middle, taken the onslaught of the G-Man, who was physically a much bigger stronger man? I dont think so. Norris really never had a good chin, and Mclellan was fast and fast starter.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

I thinking ranking these guys is not the same thing as saying he would win had the fought each other. Therefore when all is considered I rank them in the following order of greatness:

1. Terry Norris
2. Julian Jackson
3. Nigel Benn
4. Gerard McCllellan
5. Chris Eubank

[Flea Man]

Jackson, Eubank, Norris, Benn, McCllellan

Although to be fair, any order is fine as long as McCllellan is last.

[Vantage_West]

I thinking ranking these guys is not the same thing as saying he would win had the fought each other. Therefore when all is considered I rank them in the following order of greatness:

1. Terry Norris
2. Julian Jackson
3. Nigel Benn
4. Gerard McCllellan
5. Chris Eubank
good enough choice. but why chris at the bottom :think

[GDG]

Interesting thread...we seem to be getting a vast variety of opinions!!!

I must admit my list was not done in a p4p sense, but rather that results of a league with all opponents facing eachother at 160. That's why I had Norris bottom.

[Flea Man]

In terms of resume, GMAN is last. Not his fault mind.

Jackson hardest hitter, followed by GMAN and then Benn. Norris slickest, Eubank most difficult to beat convincingly (IN MY OPINION)

[lefthook31]

In terms of resume, GMAN is last. Not his fault mind.

Jackson hardest hitter, followed by GMAN and then Benn. Norris slickest, Eubank most difficult to beat convincingly (IN MY OPINION)

Yeah your probably right based on resumes. Mclellan had the most potential though in my opinion, he punched as hard or harder than Jackson. You have to rank him over Jackson just for his two total destructions of Jackson.

[PowerPuncher]

good points, it's unclear if g-man was in danger before the benn fight or if he had won he was would of gone on to better things. but with the talk about migraines after ther jackson fight. it is a posabilty that he was shot before he got into his stride. he was still a new champion at the time. a close figth agianst julian in the 1st match. but jay bell and baptist. were not the toughest of comp...baptist was a good 154 contender but was at the end of his career by this time

norris i think could of lost to all the above (jackson did lose horrificly before he landed that peach of a right hand)mainly due to size and strength issues. but i think he would of looked good for a while.

he is the only HOF in the list, he beat the stiffer comp, and was top 5 at the start of the year and before the simon brown I fight he was seen as the p4per #1 for few 2 or 3 months. also most title defences at 154.

the more i think about it the more i feel norris shoudl be above them in all areas. i dunno prove me wrong peeps

I think they will all goto the Hall eventually, Eubanks and Benn brought so much fame and excitement to British boxing.

GMAN has some question marks, its easy to say he had brain trauma in retrospect, but could that be circumstancial? I think BEnn's relentless attacks, lunging head butt and rabit punching did him no favours either and I doubt he would have got the same damage against most fighters

In a way its a pity GMAN didnt beat Benn because it would have created a blockbuster with Jones Jr, I think Jones went off boxing after seeing his friend Gerald destroyed, he hasn't gone to visit him because he says he'll never box again if he does, but he has supported him financially.

Agreed Norris probably loses to them all, he would be just too small above 154 for those beasts of MWs. But P4P you could argue hes no1, with those 25 world title fights and I think his Leonard win is underrated as are his wins against Mugabe, Taylor, Blocker and Curry. I reckon Tito was steered away from Norris by King.

[Flea Man]

Yeah your probably right based on resumes. Mclellan had the most potential though in my opinion, he punched as hard or harder than Jackson. You have to rank him over Jackson just for his two total destructions of Jackson.

it doesn't work like that. Jackson as past-prime by then. Although I agree that GMAN was a massive hitter....Would you rank Berbick over Ali just because he beat him? Jackson has Norris, Graham on his resume, and carried his power from 154 to 168.

[PowerPuncher]

Yeah your probably right based on resumes. Mclellan had the most potential though in my opinion, he punched as hard or harder than Jackson. You have to rank him over Jackson just for his two total destructions of Jackson.

The thing about Gman is he always had defensive and movement flaws, flaws in his infighting and all those early blow outs did him no good in a long war in the trenches. Loads of potential though and a supernatural hitter but I wonder how he would have done against a slick defensive mover, like Hopkins/Jones/Toney

[lefthook31]

it doesn't work like that. Jackson as past-prime by then. Although I agree that GMAN was a massive hitter....Would you rank Berbick over Ali just because he beat him? Jackson has Norris, Graham on his resume, and carried his power from 154 to 168.
Yeah but in both fights there was no chance to realize how shot Jackson was, he was blown out so fast.

[Flea Man]

Yeah but in both fights there was no chance to realize how shot Jackson was, he was blown out so fast.

No, he was losing around that time anyway. The 1st fight goes five rounds and Jackson landed enough leather to give GMAN nosebleeds afterwards and force Steward to stop training him.

[sitiyzal]

Norris
Benn
Eubank
Jackson
McClellan

[shadow boxer]

Difficult list to make in my opinion. I think I'd go for Norris, Benn, Eubank, Jackson, McClellan. Norris in his weight class probably was the most impressive. I know Eubank beat Benn but it should be one apiece against them, plus Benn travelled outside his comfort zone a lot more than Chris ever did. Jackson clearly had dynamite in his mitts but could be outboxed easily enough. G-Man has to be last as he really didn't do that much. Not sure what a great he would have ever become. Think he would have come unstuck at the very top level eventually. He did show great resilience during the Benn fight. He must have been in tremendous discomfort.

[McGrain]

I really thought Mclellan was starting to come into his own around the Benn fight. He had been brought up by Emanuel Steward, and his confidence was sky high coming off of the two blowouts of Jackson. What if the fight with Mclellan was stopped after Benn was knocked down and out of the ring? That would have been three consecutive destructions of top tier fighters. Could Norris, who was really a junior middle, taken the onslaught of the G-Man, who was physically a much bigger stronger man? I dont think so. Norris really never had a good chin, and Mclellan was fast and fast starter.

G-Man wanted Jones after Benn. Although so did Benn and we know how that turned out...

[McGrain]

How about Watson? Beat Benn, was in a fight with Eubank (one) that could have been a win a loss or a draw, and was horribly unlucky in the fight he was injured in (two) which i remember him dominating.

[TommyV]

Benn
Eubank
Norris
McClellan
Jackson

[kosaros]

How about Watson? Beat Benn, was in a fight with Eubank (one) that could have been a win a loss or a draw, and was horribly unlucky in the fight he was injured in (two) which i remember him dominating.

He outclassed a young Benn, was beating Eubank, performed well against McCallum and is a great fighter. However if he was included in this list he would come bottom.

Still I am a big fan of his.

[GDG]

Out of interest, who would people consider the best 160 fighter out of these??

I'd go Eubank...thoughts???

[McGrain]

He outclassed a young Benn, was beating Eubank, performed well against McCallum and is a great fighter. However if he was included in this list he would come bottom.

Still I am a big fan of his.

I rank him above Benn.

Out of the improvements Benn put in between their fight and his fight with G-Man and Micheal's improvements between Benn and Eubank II, i think there is nothing to prove.

Eubank seems clear that Watson was the better fighter. Their first one was absolutley nothing in it, i don't say it was an unfair decision, but perhaps a draw would have been the fairest. In the second one, Watson looked the better fighter until THAT punch. That's a part of the fight game of course.

[McGrain]

Out of interest, who would people consider the best 160 fighter out of these??

I'd go Eubank...thoughts???


At 160? Yeah, I would tend to go for Eubank too.

[fists of fury]

Norris
Benn
Eubank
Jackson
McClellan

My ranking would be almost identical, just switching Eubank and Benn. Therefore:

Norris
Eubank
Benn
Jackson
McClellan

[Olu G. Rotimi]

good enough choice. but why chris at the bottom :think

Very good question and point. I must admit this is a tough one it really is however when I am ranking them like I said it is not a match up of how they would have done against but their relative greatness based on their career and level of competition. Chris ended up fighting the best in the UK at his peak and after his peak but there was a lot of crap he ended up defending his WBO title against. I think I can envisage them all beating Norris. Nigel Benn's wins in America as Doug De Wit and Iran Barkley, the way he came back from adversity and relearned his craft after being beaten by Watson and the way he came back after losing the 1st Eubank fight I cannot speak highly enough off.

[kosaros]

I rank him above Benn.

Out of the improvements Benn put in between their fight and his fight with G-Man and Micheal's improvements between Benn and Eubank II, i think there is nothing to prove.

Eubank seems clear that Watson was the better fighter. Their first one was absolutley nothing in it, i don't say it was an unfair decision, but perhaps a draw would have been the fairest. In the second one, Watson looked the better fighter until THAT punch. That's a part of the fight game of course.

Yeah I fully understand, however if we are basing this overall, which includes records, then Watson is last for me. If it was based on ability then he would be higher without a doubt, because he is, alongside Graham, the most talented British fighter never to have won a world title.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Yeah I fully understand, however if we are basing this overall, which includes records, then Watson is last for me. If it was based on ability then he would be higher without a doubt, because he is, alongside Graham, the most talented British fighter never to have won a world title.

I agree with you about Michael Watson but not Graham who for me has always been grossly overrated by the Brits.

[Flea Man]

I agree with you about Michael Watson but not Graham who for me has always been grossly overrated by the Brits.

he did very well against mccallum though, and was avoided by some good fighters. i do agree with you that he is overrated, but as the inventor of the sheffield style i am grateful to him

[PowerPuncher]

I agree with you about Michael Watson but not Graham who for me has always been grossly overrated by the Brits.

Graham did much better than Watson against McCallum

[PhillyPhan69]

1 Eubank
2 Norris
3 Benn
4 Jackson
5 McClellan

[Olu G. Rotimi]

he did very well against mccallum though, and was avoided by some good fighters. i do agree with you that he is overrated, but as the inventor of the sheffield style i am grateful to him

Fleaman(note that I am calling you by your proper name). First of all I was reviewing the Arguello versus Azumah Nelson post and feel that we both let ourselves down as regards the insults that we let fly. Therefore for my part in that I apologise though not for my views on the outcome. I guess we both know our boxing but no need to get to that level.

Personally I was never that sold on Graham who I felt was grossly overrated and I may be biased towards Watson because we used the same gym when I was an amateur.

I am not a fan of the Sheffield Ingle mob but each to their own. I did appreciate Naz's uniqueness though.Shame Naz fell out of love with the game. Imagine had he stayed true to his craft and contests such as a Barrera rematch, Pacman, Marquez and Morales.

I am interested in your view about some upcoming matches such as Cotto versus Clottey. I am uncharacteristically sitting on the fence in that one as I love both guys but I do think how it plays out will tell us accurately where Cotto is now in a way the Jennings fight never could.

PBF versus Marquez. I think PBF will win clearly and decisively but in my honest opinion will be a more difficult fight than PBF versus Pacman should it ever happen

[Flea Man]

Fleaman(note that I am calling you by your proper name). First of all I was reviewing the Arguello versus Azumah Nelson post and feel that we both let ourselves down as regards the insults that we let fly. Therefore for my part in that I apologise though not for my views on the outcome. I guess we both know our boxing but no need to get to that level.

Personally I was never that sold on Graham who I felt was grossly overrated and I may be biased towards Watson because we used the same gym when I was an amateur.

I am not a fan of the Sheffield Ingle mob but each to their own. I did appreciate Naz's uniqueness though.Shame Naz fell out of love with the game. Imagine had he stayed true to his craft and contests such as a Barrera rematch, Pacman, Marquez and Morales.

I am interested in your view about some upcoming matches such as Cotto versus Clottey. I am uncharacteristically sitting on the fence in that one as I love both guys but I do think how it plays out will tell us accurately where Cotto is now in a way the Jennings fight never could.

PBF versus Marquez. I think PBF will win clearly and decisively but in my honest opinion will be a more difficult fight than PBF versus Pacman should it ever happen

Fair play Olu. For the first few pages you made some very valid comments, there's no reason for us to argue (even over the internet!!!)

Ummm....I think Clottey is strong as a bull, but as long as Cotto is not too disturbed from the Marg fight (I think knowing Marg may have cheated will boost his confidence somewhat) then he should be fine. Clottey doesn't have a high workrate, so I think Cotto will win a decision. Good competitive fight though.

Also, I think Floyd will stop Marquez. Floyd is a big guy, even though he started at 130 lbs, and I can't see him leaning down for Marquez to land his famous right uppercut. I'm rooting for Marquez all the way, but I think he will be less suited to the higher weights then Pac.

I think Pac can cause Floyd all kinds of problems for Floyd early on with his workrate, but once FLoyd figures him out he will be teeing up on him in the late rounds, forcing Freddie Roach to pull his man out.

IN MY OPINION!

Again, you've shown yourself to be a cool guy by saying yourself you noticed how you were being rude (AND I ADMIT THAT I WAS AS WELL) so, let's move on from here and get back to what we do best; DISCUSSING BOXING :good

[Flea Man]

And also, I'm much more of a fan of Waton than Graham's....I actually think he had the best skills out of all five of em (Collins, EUbank, Benn, Graham) although I rate Eubank as the toughest H2H out of all of them. His awkwardness, punching power (very underrated in my opinion) and granite chin make him a formidable opponent for even the best MW's of all time IMO.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Fair play Olu. For the first few pages you made some very valid comments, there's no reason for us to argue (even over the internet!!!)

Ummm....I think Clottey is strong as a bull, but as long as Cotto is not too disturbed from the Marg fight (I think knowing Marg may have cheated will boost his confidence somewhat) then he should be fine. Clottey doesn't have a high workrate, so I think Cotto will win a decision. Good competitive fight though.

Also, I think Floyd will stop Marquez. Floyd is a big guy, even though he started at 130 lbs, and I can't see him leaning down for Marquez to land his famous right uppercut. I'm rooting for Marquez all the way, but I think he will be less suited to the higher weights then Pac.

I think Pac can cause Floyd all kinds of problems for Floyd early on with his workrate, but once FLoyd figures him out he will be teeing up on him in the late rounds, forcing Freddie Roach to pull his man out.

IN MY OPINION!

Again, you've shown yourself to be a cool guy by saying yourself you noticed how you were being rude (AND I ADMIT THAT I WAS AS WELL) so, let's move on from here and get back to what we do best; DISCUSSING BOXING :good

Thanks Fleaman. I find your analysis very interesting as regards PBF versus Pacman. In fact beacuse it is very much along the lines of what my friend Azumah 1 told me on the telephone a few weeks back. In my opinion I think there is every chance PBF works him out even quicker. I cannot get out of mind the that Morales pretty much dominated Pacman outboxing him and outfighting him in their 1st fight and that Marquez with his technical ability pretty much was able to outbox him.

I agree that PBF will stop Marquez though I also think there is a chance he lasts the distance. Pacman I believe definitely gets stopped.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

And also, I'm much more of a fan of Waton than Graham's....I actually think he had the best skills out of all five of em (Collins, EUbank, Benn, Graham) although I rate Eubank as the toughest H2H out of all of them. His awkwardness, punching power (very underrated in my opinion) and granite chin make him a formidable opponent for even the best MW's of all time IMO.

You know what I think you are spot on about Mickey Watson's skills.However as you know skills are not all in this great game I think Eubank's mental attitude and fortitude have to be commended as well. Sometimes fighter A might have more skills, power etc but Fighter B may just be the better fighting man.

Also as for Nelson versus Arguello the truth is we will never really know though if we could get them to have a contest both at their best I know it is one I would want to watch that is for sure.

[Flea Man]

You know what I think you are spot on about Mickey Watson's skills.However as you know skills are not all in this great game I think Eubank's mental attitude and fortitude have to be commended as well. Sometimes fighter A might have more skills, power etc but Fighter B may just be the better fighting man.

Also as for Nelson versus Arguello the truth is we will never really know though if we could get them to have a contest both at their best I know it is one I would want to watch that is for sure.

Fair play Olu, you will be a good contributor to this forum :good

However, don't forget that Pac has become much more well-rounded since the first time he fought El Terrible, as he was basically one-handed.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Fair play Olu, you will be a good contributor to this forum :good

However, don't forget that Pac has become much more well-rounded since the first time he fought El Terrible, as he was basically one-handed.

It is a fact that Pac is definitely better rounded as a fighter now. His victory of Dangerous David Diaz was like an epiphany. Not that he won but the manner in which he won stylistically. Since then we have seen what he did to ODLH and Hatton. Personally I don't buy the line from some that ODLH was shot. Sure he was past his best but I think he vcould not handle the southpaw stance and speed of Pacman. Speed has always troubled ODLH in my opinion. For me the key is the 2nd Marquez fight where he was not so scintillating makes me believe that he still has problems with technical boxers.

[asero]

i hope benn and eubank would make it to the hall of fame...they are part of the nominees

[Seamus]

Another moronic post questioning without criteria...

What are the criteria for this? McClellan obviously greater than Jackson H2H at 160. But LB4LB, I pick Julian going away...

Why are there so many poorly worded inquiries on this forum?

[My2Sense]

Jackson
Norris
Eubank
Benn
McClellan

[asero]

Another moronic post questioning without criteria...

What are the criteria for this? McClellan obviously greater than Jackson H2H at 160. But LB4LB, I pick Julian going away...

Why are there so many poorly worded inquiries on this forum?


it's all-in-all..who has better legacy

it's up to you how much premium you would put on longetivity, resume and overall ability...

[bxrfan]

Terry Norris
Gerald McClellan
Julian Jackson
Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank