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Xplosive
06-06-2009, 09:48 PM
One division apart, but Mancini was a big, very strong lightweight who I think in his prime coulda carried 140 pretty well. Does he beat a prime Tszyu?
Flea Man
06-06-2009, 09:50 PM
A focused Tszyu sparks Mancini. But if B- level Phillips can outwork Tszyu and stop him, maybe Mancini can. But I think Ray's bullishness was made for 135 lbs, and wouldn't bet on him to beat Tszyu.

Tszyu K.O 5
BUDW
06-06-2009, 11:36 PM
Tszyu ko 2
Xplosive
06-06-2009, 11:37 PM
Tszyu ko 2

Mancini isnt Zab Judah. Tszyu may stop him... but he DAMN SURE wouldnt do it in 2 rounds.
booradley
06-07-2009, 03:58 AM
Mancini isnt Zab Judah. Tszyu may stop him... but he DAMN SURE wouldnt do it in 2 rounds.

It took Alexs fucking Arguello 14 rounds. Stupid to predict a quick KO.
sweet_scientist
06-07-2009, 06:26 AM
I'd favour Tszyu heavily, but if Kostya was a natural 135 pounder as Ray was, Ray would have a decent chance of overwhelming him I think. Would still make Tszyu favourite though.
Flea Man
06-07-2009, 08:13 AM
I'd favour Tszyu heavily, but if Kostya was a natural 135 pounder as Ray was, Ray would have a decent chance of overwhelming him I think. Would still make Tszyu favourite though.

Agreed. In fact, Mancini is more effective than Hatton, so if Tszyu was a natural 135 lber I think Ray would stop him.
young griffo
06-07-2009, 08:32 AM
Agreed. In fact, Mancini is more effective than Hatton, so if Tszyu was a natural 135 lber I think Ray would stop him.
Tszyu was old and rusty as hell when Hatton beat him (he'd fought 9 rounds in 3 years going in) and I'd bet my house on a prime Tszyu beating prime Hatton every day of the week.

Mancini was aggressive and game but Tszyu had insurmountable physical advantages not to mention an edge in ability imo.

I think Kostya would dominate and out-muscle Ray until eventually the ref intervenes to save Mancini in the 7-8th round.
Flea Man
06-07-2009, 08:36 AM
Tszyu was old and rusty as hell when Hatton beat him (he'd fought 9 rounds in 3 years going in) and I'd bet my house on a prime Tszyu beating prime Hatton every day of the week.

Mancini was aggressive and game but Tszyu had insurmountable physical advantages not to mention an edge in ability imo.

I think Kostya would dominate and out-muscle Ray until eventually the ref intervenes to save Mancini in the 7-8th round.

What about Vince Phillips? He was undefeated at that point.
Bill Butcher
06-07-2009, 08:39 AM
One division apart, but Mancini was a big, very strong lightweight who I think in his prime coulda carried 140 pretty well. Does he beat a prime Tszyu?

No.

Tszyu by TKO.
young griffo
06-07-2009, 08:51 AM
What about Vince Phillips? He was undefeated at that point.
Tszyu wasn't 100% focused going in to this and Phillips was a good fighter who fought out of his skin in this one and full credit to him.

That said I reckon Philips gave Kostya a huge reality check here as Tszyu was KO happy at this point in his career.

After this loss Kostya came back a more patient and better defensive figher and reasserted himself as the man at 140.This version of Tszyu who appeared up until the Tackie fight is the one I'd back to beat Hatton every day of the week.
robert ungurean
06-07-2009, 09:45 AM
Good fight. Mancini makes Tszyu work hard in this one.
I like Tszyu by UD or possable TKO.
Xplosive
06-07-2009, 10:02 AM
Agreed. In fact, Mancini is more effective than Hatton, so if Tszyu was a natural 135 lber I think Ray would stop him.

Well in defense of Tszyu.... he was a shell when Hatton beat him. But I agree... Mancini was a better fighter than Hatton. Ray had a MUCH better chin than Ricky, and more skills. Hatton was just bigger, but not better.