The ring belt

[He Hate Me]

I am not sure how the ring belt is awarded or fought over can someone give me some clarity please. In addition does the ring belt have more clout than the Ibf or nabf, I just want some information that can satisfy my curiosity thanks guys.

[H .]

No one's answered this yet? Well, I'll give it a whirl.
Shit, I believe it's something like "If you beat the number-1 dude, you're the Ring champ" or "If you beat the Ring champ, you're the new Ring champ." It's just a magazine title, but a popular magazine title. Take it for what it's worth. It's pretty respected.

[PolishPummler]

The Ring belt is very flawed.

The Ring top 10 lists are usually pretty good though.

[4Rounder]

This is how its awarded:

IF there is no current RING champion in the division, who is pretty much regarded as the true division champ by almost everybody then a fight between the #1 and #2 ranked fighters determine the division champ.

In some cases its determined between #1 and #3 ranked fighters due to the #1 already beating the crap of #2 before the rank was placed or a bunch of other reasons. This is usually rare.

IF there is a RING champ already then whoever beats him becomes the new man of the division.

Its fairly simple.

[pipe wrenched]

While the Ring is the subject matter here I was wondering: I ordered my subsciption to the Mag in early June, $50.00. Now it's September and all I have gotten was recently a little black and white deal called the Ring's boxing almanac. The web page said allow six to eight weeks for delivery and I'm pretty sure I'm way past that. Did any of you guys experience the same?? Have to wait a long time before you got your first issue?? Appreciate any comments.

[PolishPummler]

I'm not sure about the belt because Calzaghe got away with defending the belt against Manfredo, but the magazines rankings are usually spot on.

Kind of like Hopkins defending against Wright.

The Ring belt is garbage.

[pipe wrenched]

Kind of like Hopkins defending against Wright.

The Ring belt is garbage.

It would be nice to be able to believe in SOMETHING.

[Asterion]

The Ring belt is the closest thing to the Lineal Title.

When the Championship is vacant in a division, the #1 contender must face the #2 contender to win the Ring belt. In some cases, it can be decided with a showdown between the #1 and the #3. The Ring belt is very popular in the 1920s and ignores the ABC organization's bullshit.

[Asterion]

Kind of like Hopkins defending against Wright.

The Ring belt is garbage.

If Hopkins had the WBA and WBC belts, he would have still faced Wright.

Also, using your logic, Hagler should be criticized for facing a former Lightweight like Duran.

[pipe wrenched]

Please anybody have any comments for my questions in post #5?? I'm starting to feel really stupid running for my mailbox every day......It's like waiting for some chick to call that you know somewhere deep down she's not going to.

[Asterion]

What are you comparing Winky to Manfredo now ? You do have a point though the ring can't make you fight mandatories but alphabet Mandatories are insane 99% of the time anyway !

Yes, most of the times mandatories are garbage.

And when Champs fight other good fighters, usually those fighters are very high ranked in the Ring ratings. :yep

[PolishPummler]

No because Wright was top 10 pfp and Manfredo was the runner up on a reality show.

You said it "the runner up"

Winky isnt even close to being a Lightheavy and never will be.They fought at 170 which is WAY closer to S.Middle than L.Heavy.

Hopkins has not proved that he is the best Light Heavy.He beat a very overrated Tarver who would win/lose win/lose win/lose against the same guys all the while not giving any young bulls a chance to get a shot.

If there were a top 10 tournement at L.Heavy right now for the Ring belt Hopkins would not come out on top.

[Asterion]

Hopkins has not proved that he is the best Light Heavy.

If there were a top 10 tournement at L.Heavy right now for the Ring belt Hopkins would not come out on top.

This is boxing and that happens. Champs are not always the best fighters in their respective division. You can see the case of Floyd Patterson for one example. A recent example would be Carlos Baldomir.

[PolishPummler]

This is boxing and that happens. Champs are not always the best fighters in their respective division. You can see the case of Floyd Patterson for one example. A recent example would be Carlos Baldomir.

And that is simply why im pointing out that the Ring belt has flaws.

In some cases you can't look at the man holiding the ring belt and consider him the best in his division.

This just shows how fucked up Boxing really is.

[Asterion]

This just shows how fucked up Boxing really is.

I agree but it also happens in other sports. Germany was Champ of the 1974 football world cup but most thought Holland was better. Nadal could beat Federer a few times and still not accumulate enough points to get above Federer in the tennis Top10 rankings. But yeah I agree that boxing is fucked up.

[PolishPummler]

I know for sure we will have some clearity at S.Middle soon with the Ring belt.In this case we will have a clear cut #1.And you will be able to look at the person holding the Ring belt afterwards as the best in that division.

[kg0208]

And that is simply why im pointing out that the Ring belt has flaws.

In some cases you can't look at the man holiding the ring belt and consider him the best in his division.

This just shows how fucked up Boxing really is.

Ok, but the Ring belt is still generally the best fighter in the division. And it's won and lost in the ring.

It has flaws....so does everything else in every sport.

[TBooze]

I know for sure we will have some clearity at S.Middle soon with the Ring belt.In this case we will have a clear cut #1.And you will be able to look at the person holding the Ring belt afterwards as the best in that division.

No, most people may have the winner as their champion but there will still be others who claim someone else is champ.

This is why it is important IMO to have your own champions, not what the WBA thinks, not what the WBC thinks, not even what The Ring thinks, but what you think.

[Marnoff]

I agree but it also happens in other sports. Germany was Champ of the 1974 football world cup but most thought Holland was better. Nadal could beat Federer a few times and still not accumulate enough points to get above Federer in the tennis Top10 rankings. But yeah I agree that boxing is fucked up.

Rock/Paper/Scissors. Nadal can beat Federer because he's simply got his number. However, against the rest of the world, Federer dominates like no other in history. Boxing has similar cases, where one guy may be able to handle everyone but one guy. Ali-Frazier-Foreman.

[BigReg]

Rock/Paper/Scissors. Nadal can beat Federer because he's simply got his number. However, against the rest of the world, Federer dominates like no other in history. Boxing has similar cases, where one guy may be able to handle everyone but one guy. Ali-Frazier-Foreman.

Nadal has only had success against Federer on Clay. Federer has dominated him on all other surfaces.

[kg0208]

Nadal has only had success against Federer on Clay. Federer has dominated him on all other surfaces.

Said it before I did. Federer beats Nadal nearly every time in every tourney except the French Open

[Illmatic]

And that is simply why im pointing out that the Ring belt has flaws.

In some cases you can't look at the man holiding the ring belt and consider him the best in his division.

This just shows how fucked up Boxing really is.

b/c the "best" has to get in the ring and prove it, and once your in the ring anything can happen.

[TIGEREDGE]

The Ring belt is very flawed.

The Ring top 10 lists are usually pretty good though.

i agree the ring belts are flawd like the title was flawed back in the days of one title. being world champ doesn't always mean you are the best as the early decades of the 20th century proved

[UndisputedUK]

Rocky was the Ring champion, says so on the belt "Ring Magazine Award". He beat Apollo Creed who was 46-0 46KOs.
There must have been other champions at the time, Joe Frazier etc who held the two alphabet titles. Creed was the big named fighter and fought what would bring him the most money.

[C Money]

I like Ring, but that belt isnt necessarily THE BELT:nono


Until and unless the sport of Boxing, gets real legitimate and straight management as a whole?? We're stuck in the landscape of alpha soup and ring.

Boxing needs NFL style management. One Commission that oversee's unified guidleines and rules. They orgs and ring could still be represented as the structure in the sport all participating under a uniform system.

The fighters make the belts and always will!!!!!:good Fight the best, beat the best, and let victories stake the claim, not groups with initials, corruption, and trinkets.

[BigReg]

Rocky was the Ring champion, says so on the belt "Ring Magazine Award". He beat Apollo Creed who was 46-0 46KOs.
There must have been other champions at the time, Joe Frazier etc who held the two alphabet titles. Creed was the big named fighter and fought what would bring him the most money.

Unfortunately, after he beat Creed he decided to take on a steady diet of setups instead of conducting himself like a true Philadelphia fighter. His lack of focus resulted in him getting his beat by the hard hitting, yet unskilled, Clubber Lang. Fortunately he got his act together, and reclaimed his belt and had another succesful run that ended when he beat Drago in a 15 round war that left him with brain damage that ended his career(brain damage that some how went away 15 years later).

[TBooze]

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[TBooze]

And only a flawed title like the ring would let Apollo defend his title against some nobody-bum from philly with a record of like 50-30.

I Know, I mean what was Baer doing fighting Braddock?;)

[Motor City Sam]

Please anybody have any comments for my questions in post #5?? I'm starting to feel really stupid running for my mailbox every day......It's like waiting for some chick to call that you know somewhere deep down she's not going to.

I can't speak on the Ring, but when I subscribed to Boxing Digest, it took months for my first magazine to arrive.

[BigReg]

And only a flawed title like the ring would let Apollo defend his title against some nobody-bum from philly with a record of like 50-30.

Rocky was an underrated fighter. There was a lot of bad decisions that went against him. He proved against Creed, Lang, Spider Rico, and Drago that he's a true champion that jus needed an opportunity

[Motor City Sam]

I am not sure how the ring belt is awarded or fought over can someone give me some clarity please. In addition does the ring belt have more clout than the Ibf or nabf, I just want some information that can satisfy my curiosity thanks guys.

I would say the Ring belt has more legitmacy in the eyes of the fans and boxing media, but winning it is no guarantee of good things for the fighter. Joel Casamoyer can claim to be the world champ because he has the Ring belt at lightweight, but it hasn't translated into fights and big purses for him. If he had not been stripped of his ABC title, he at least would have had a mandatory or two since he beat Corrales. The best case scenario for a boxer would be too have one of the ABC belts along with the Ring belt.