Roy Jones vs Evander Holyfield@ HEAVYWEIGHT.

[RAMPAGE0017]

What happens in a fight between the Jones who fought Ruiz and a prime Holyfield at heavyweight?

[acb]

Holy all day. Evander was a legitimate and great heavy. He stops Roy in the mid to late rounds.

[A-50]

Holy all day. Evander was a legitimate and great heavy. He stops Roy in the mid to late rounds.


LOL. Evander would stop Glass Jaw Roy Jones in the first 3 rounds. :lol::lol::lol: Evander in his prime was a legit Heavyweight not some hand picked bum like Jones used to always fight.

[RAMPAGE0017]

LOL. Evander would stop Glass Jaw Roy Jones in the first 3 rounds. :lol::lol::lol: Evander in his prime was a legit Heavyweight not some hand picked bum like Jones used to always fight.


Give Jones atleast a LITTLE credit, even if you don't like him. Evander would probably knock Jones out easily if he connected but Jones at his best was not easy to connect on.

[acb]

Evander simply had too much intensity, to much chin, too much talent, and too much grit for Roy at heavy.

The preasure which Ruiz failed to give to Jones would be all too present with Evander and would wear on Jones both physicaly and mentaly.

[El Bombasto]

today? rjj by wide ud

[Imperial1]

Sorry but in their primes Holy knocks Jones head off his shoulder ..As fast as Jones is no one was a better counter puncher at heavy than a prime Holy ..

[box03]

Holyfield knocks him out early, jones cant even take punishment from journeyman like johnson how would he ever survive the combinations of holyfield

[brooklyn1550]

Evander Holyfield

[ChampionsForever]

Holyfeild, the 91 version would stop Jones late I think in a competitive fight and Jones having some good moments.

[nulty]

Evander by KO.

[Mind Reader]

Prime Evander by KO, doesn't mean Roy has a glass jaw though.

[Fab2333]

Of all the Heavies I think Jones matches up best with Holyfield.
I agree here as well, I do agree with wat people are saying, If Holyfield would land a clean hard shot it could b over. Mayb. But I also think that Rj could win the fight.
Holyfield isnt a tall heavyweight, which would b a little advantage for RJ. I always say that anyone has a punchers chance. Holyfield got power going for him. And Rj has speed that Holyfield would have never seen be4, speed kills. If Rj was able 2 stay on the outside and counter efectively. and put his punches 2gether. IMO I think he might b able 2 pull it off.

[Mind Reader]

Holyfield knocks him out early, jones cant even take punishment from journeyman like johnson how would he ever survive the combinations of holyfield

He said the Jones that fought Ruiz.....What happen against Johnson can't be taken into account. It was clearly a different version of Roy.

[Irish Steel]

Evander murders him!

[Mind Reader]

I agree here as well, I do agree with wat people are saying, If Holyfield would land a clean hard shot it could b over. Mayb. But I also think that Rj could win the fight.
Holyfield isnt a tall heavyweight, which would b a little advantage for RJ. I always say that anyone has a punchers chance. Holyfield got power going for him. And Rj has speed that Holyfield would have never seen be4, speed kills. If Rj was able 2 stay on the outside and counter efectively. and put his punches 2gether. IMO I think he might b able 2 pull it off.

Roy has a chance for sure.... 91 Holyfield was too good though I think, He would wear Jones down I think, and also Jones would have had a hard time hurting Holyfield...Holy is naturally alot bigger. I would like to think Jones still has a chance.:good

[Fab2333]

Roy has a chance for sure.... 91 Holyfield was too good though I think, He would wear Jones down I think, and also Jones would have had a hard time hurting Holyfield...Holy is naturally alot bigger. I would like to think Jones still has a chance.:good
I know Holyfield was on top of his game then, but that was RJ pre- knockout as I like to call it. RJ was superman with boxing gloves. But I kno this woulda been a tough test for him. DIdnt Rj odder him money to fihgt him 7million or somethin like that? IM not sure of the figure so forgive me if it is wrong. But Holyfield turned down that fight for some reason, if the fight was easy as people are making it seem for him. He woulda made an easy check now wouldnt he?
Be4 RJ got knocked out people did not want 2 fight him whether you believe it or no, No1 was bale 2 figure out how 2 beat him. That is why I would pick him, when you got skills that can make up 4 a lot.

People sayin Rj would get knocked out b/c we seen him get knocked out. If this > was asked right after he fought Ruiz, bet you a lot of people woulda been sayin that RJ has a chance

[dave82]

I know Holyfield was on top of his game then, but that was RJ pre- knockout as I like to call it. RJ was superman with boxing gloves. But I kno this woulda been a tough test for him. DIdnt Rj odder him money to fihgt him 7million or somethin like that? IM not sure of the figure so forgive me if it is wrong. But Holyfield turned down that fight for some reason, if the fight was easy as people are making it seem for him. He woulda made an easy check now wouldnt he?
Be4 RJ got knocked out people did not want 2 fight him whether you believe it or no, No1 was bale 2 figure out how 2 beat him. That is why I would pick him, when you got skills that can make up 4 a lot.

People sayin Rj would get knocked out b/c we seen him get knocked out. If this > was asked right after he fought Ruiz, bet you a lot of people woulda been sayin that RJ has a chance

Good post :good

[RAMPAGE0017]

I know Holyfield was on top of his game then, but that was RJ pre- knockout as I like to call it. RJ was superman with boxing gloves. But I kno this woulda been a tough test for him. DIdnt Rj odder him money to fihgt him 7million or somethin like that? IM not sure of the figure so forgive me if it is wrong. But Holyfield turned down that fight for some reason, if the fight was easy as people are making it seem for him. He woulda made an easy check now wouldnt he?
Be4 RJ got knocked out people did not want 2 fight him whether you believe it or no, No1 was bale 2 figure out how 2 beat him. That is why I would pick him, when you got skills that can make up 4 a lot.

People sayin Rj would get knocked out b/c we seen him get knocked out. If this > was asked right after he fought Ruiz, bet you a lot of people woulda been sayin that RJ has a chance

Totally agree.

[TheGreat]

RJJ would have easily beat Holy in 03 or 04 and I would pick him today but he would be easily KTFO by a prime Holy who in his younger days had both fast hands and fast feet RJJ wouldn't stand a chance against the Holy that fought Bowe in the first 2 bouts or against the Holy who beat Tyson, Holy was to big and strong for RJJ.

[acb]

I know Holyfield was on top of his game then, but that was RJ pre- knockout as I like to call it. RJ was superman with boxing gloves. But I kno this woulda been a tough test for him. DIdnt Rj odder him money to fihgt him 7million or somethin like that? IM not sure of the figure so forgive me if it is wrong. But Holyfield turned down that fight for some reason, if the fight was easy as people are making it seem for him. He woulda made an easy check now wouldnt he?
Be4 RJ got knocked out people did not want 2 fight him whether you believe it or no, No1 was bale 2 figure out how 2 beat him. That is why I would pick him, when you got skills that can make up 4 a lot.

People sayin Rj would get knocked out b/c we seen him get knocked out. If this > was asked right after he fought Ruiz, bet you a lot of people woulda been sayin that RJ has a chance

Good points Fab, but the 03 or 04 Holy was definently not the beast of the 90's... so if we are talking prime for prime he is just too much for Roy.

[dangerousity]

Holyfield took Tyson on who was petty damm fast himself soim quite confident Holyfield KO's Roy...even tho Roy's one of my favs.

[Icemmann]

Holyfield headbutts him into bolivian.

[box03]

He said the Jones that fought Ruiz.....What happen against Johnson can't be taken into account. It was clearly a different version of Roy. True but I still think Holyfield would make Jones look the same way in this fight.

[41fever]

They were gonna fight but he chose RUIZ instead

[cuchulain]

today? rjj by wide ud


Most other days too.

Evander had his chance at Ruiz and did much more poorly than Roy.

Prime Roy would be too difficult for Evander to hit cleanly. UD for Jones.

[Icemmann]

Most other days too.

Evander had his chance at Ruiz and did much more poorly than Roy.

Prime Roy would be too difficult for Evander to hit cleanly. UD for Jones.


Hell no. A prime Holyfield stomps on Jones. Jones is as good a Heavyweight as Lennox Lewis and Riddick Bowe? This is off of him beating Ruiz? The same Ruiz that eeked by the Old version Headbutting machine?

You guys are smoking some good shit.

[Imperial1]

Hell no. A prime Holyfield stomps on Jones. Jones is as good a Heavyweight as Lennox Lewis and Riddick Bowe? This is ooff of him beating Ruiz? The same Ruiz that eeked by the Old vearsion Headbutting machine?

You guys are smoking some good shit.

My thoughts exactly Holy would walk through Jones ..

[box03]

A prime Holyfield would knock Jones into next week, one left hook would leave jones looking up at the stars on the canvas, no contest here.

[Icemmann]

My thoughts exactly Holy would walk through Jones ..

I can't see it. He took bombs off of heavyhanded fighters.

Jones is supposed to hit him with something thats going to make him cautious? If anything when he hits Holyfield he'll just push him into a rage. I hate Holyfield, but have to say the guy had balls, and would go after damn near anybody in his prime.

[elTerrible]

RJJ would have easily beat Holy in 03 or 04 and I would pick him today but he would be easily KTFO by a prime Holy who in his younger days had both fast hands and fast feet RJJ wouldn't stand a chance against the Holy that fought Bowe in the first 2 bouts or against the Holy who beat Tyson, Holy was to big and strong for RJJ.


Yes, prime Holy had enough speed and mobility to box with roy and was bigger and strong enough to manhandle his little ass.

Roy needs someone less mobile. Give him a Tua or Oleg, but not a prime Holyfield who would be able to catch him.

[RAMPAGE0017]

Holyfield took Tyson on who was petty damm fast himself soim quite confident Holyfield KO's Roy...even tho Roy's one of my favs.


Yeah, but there's fast and then there's Roy Jones fast. Jones' speed is in a class on it's own.

[RAMPAGE0017]

It's quite laughable to me that so many people are saying Holyfield would walk through Jones with no problem. I'm not putting anyone down for having such a prediction, but damn.. people are so convinced that Jones' chin would fail him in this fight, yet people forget that he went the entire prime of his career without ever even coming close to being knocked out.

[Icemmann]

It's quite laughable to me that so many people are saying Holyfield would walk through Jones with no problem. I'm not putting anyone down for having such a prediction, but damn.. people are so convinced that Jones' chin would fail him in this fight, yet people forget that he went the entire prime of his career without ever even coming close to being knocked out.

He didn't do it at heavyweight, and he didn't do it against somebody of Holyfields caliber.

I find it laughable that people would pick a blown up middleweight to be able to contend with a Cruiser that turned into a proven Heavyweight, and was at worse the second best of his generation.

All this based on one fight against John Ruiz, an opponent whose style is taylor made for Jones.

[kg0208]

Holyfield takes this. Jones would not have been able the type of pressure Holyfield would have brought. Holyfield was also a great in fighter with good boxing skills.

[RAMPAGE0017]

He didn't do it at heavyweight, and he didn't do it against somebody of Holyfields caliber.

I find it laughable that people would pick a blown up middleweight to be able to contend with a Cruiser that turned into a proven Heavyweight, and was at worse the second best of his generation.

All this based on one fight against John Ruiz, an opponent whose style is taylor made for Jones.


Where have I based ANYTHING of what I said on John Ruiz? I merely said " the Jones who fought Ruiz " because that's the only fight Jones had at heavyweight. And you have to consider their styles, you can't just say " Oh, Holyfield beat this guy and that guy so there's no way Jones stands a chance ", if that was the case then by all rights.. Buster Douglas never should've beaten Mike Tyson.. or Max Schmeling never should've beaten Joe Louis.

[Icemmann]

Where have I based ANYTHING of what I said on John Ruiz? I merely said " the Jones who fought Ruiz " because that's the only fight Jones had at heavyweight. And you have to consider their styles, you can't just say " Oh, Holyfield beat this guy and that guy so there's no way Jones stands a chance ", if that was the case then by all rights.. Buster Douglas never should've beaten Mike Tyson.. or Max Schmeling never should've beaten Joe Louis.

Thats the only fight he had at heavy, so thats the only way to accuratly gauge his skills at heavy on.

Buster Douglas was a what? 40 to 1 underdog against Tyson? A crappy one at that if you've watched him any.


And all those guys? HEAVYWEIGHTS.

Holyfield would beat the fucking snot out of him the moment he stood got his gloves on him. And he would get his gloves on him. Jones has to come within punching range to land his own shots, so when he does so he's in Holyfields range. Are you going to Imply that a Prime Holyfield that went toe to toe with Bowe is gonna become gunshy against Roy Jones? Get the fuck outta here.

[Carlos Primera]

evan fields knocks roid jones out.

[TanstA]

Yes, prime Holy had enough speed and mobility to box with roy and was bigger and strong enough to manhandle his little ass.

Roy needs someone less mobile. Give him a Tua or Oleg, but not a prime Holyfield who would be able to catch him.

Tua against JONES? :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Cmon man, let's be realistic.. A big muthafucka like Tua would tear Jones a new one. Either way Jones was never a natural heavyweight. He dominated at Middle and Lightheavy. Him going to heavyweight is what ruined him. Go figure

[kg0208]

Tua against JONES? :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Cmon man, let's be realistic.. A big muthafucka like Tua would tear Jones a new one. Either way Jones was never a natural heavyweight. He dominated at Middle and Lightheavy. Him going to heavyweight is what ruined him. Go figure

Byrd completely befuddled Tua. It's not out of the question that Jones could do it.

If Tua connected, he would probably KO Jones. But it is not unprecendented that he would be completely outboxed.

[RAMPAGE0017]

Thats the only fight he had at heavy, so thats the only way to accuratly gauge his skills at heavy on.

Buster Douglas was a what? 40 to 1 underdog against Tyson? A crappy one at that if you've watched him any.


And all those guys? HEAVYWEIGHTS.

Holyfield would beat the fucking snot out of him the moment he stood got his gloves on him. And he would get his gloves on him. Jones has to come within punching range to land his own shots, so when he does so he's in Holyfields range. Are you going to Imply that a Prime Holyfield that went toe to toe with Bowe is gonna become gunshy against Roy Jones? Get the fuck outta here.


Hopkins wasn't gunshy against Jones either, and he still couldn't catch him cleanly. And Hopkins is also faster than Holyfield.

[TanstA]

Byrd completely befuddled Tua. It's not out of the question that Jones could do it.

If Tua connected, he would probably KO Jones. But it is not unprecendented that he would be completely outboxed.
I never said Tua would outbox Jones, that's impossible but Jones would not survive.

As much as I would love to see him go the distance and win, it just cant happen.

[kg0208]

I never said Tua would outbox Jones, that's impossible but Jones would not survive.

As much as I would love to see him go the distance and win, it just cant happen.

I am saying that if Byrd could survive, there is a chance that Jones could have. Tua had trouble against guys like that.

[TanstA]

I am saying that if Byrd could survive, there is a chance that Jones could have. Tua had trouble against guys like that.

True but Byrd is a natural heavyweight. Jones isn't ;)

[kg0208]

True but Byrd is a natural heavyweight. Jones isn't ;)

Byrd was fighting in the amateurs as a MW and his first fight in the pros was at 169:deal

He has never been a natural HW. No idea why he fights at HW.

[RAMPAGE0017]

Byrd was fighting in the amateurs as a MW and his first fight in the pros was at 169:deal

He has never been a natural HW. No idea why he fights at HW.


Me neither, I always felt he looked kind've soft at heavyweight.

[TanstA]

Byrd was fighting in the amateurs as a MW and his first fight in the pros was at 169:deal

He has never been a natural HW. No idea why he fights at HW.
Yea I knew that but considering he turned his career into a Heavyweight division boxer I assumed that's the weight he felt most comfortable with. :think

[kg0208]

Yea I knew that but considering he turned his career into a Heavyweight division boxer I assumed that's the weight he felt most comfortable with. :think

Can't argue with that. But he isn't natural there. I believe he said that he thought he had some clear advantages at HW with his boxing style that he would no have at MW. Think about it, Byrd is only 6 Ft tall.

[TanstA]

Can't argue with that. But he isn't natural there. I believe he said that he thought he had some clear advantages at HW with his boxing style that he would no have at MW. Think about it, Byrd is only 6 Ft tall.

Well, he was right and wrong. :lol:

[Icemmann]

Hopkins wasn't gunshy against Jones either, and he still couldn't catch him cleanly. And Hopkins is also faster than Holyfield.

Unlike Hopkins, Holyfield wouldn't have to catch him cleanly. Just him beating on Jones arms and shoulders is going to have a brutal effect on him.

[RAMPAGE0017]

Unlike Hopkins, Holyfield wouldn't have to catch him cleanly. Just him beating on Jones arms and shoulders is going to have a brutal effect on him.


Well, I won't argue as to whether or not Holyfield would beat Jones, because quite frankly I think he would, what I'm arguing is that Jones wouldn't be taken out as easy as people think, because unlike most everyone else.. I remember when Jones was in his prime, and like everyone else.. I too found myself saying " How the hell are you supposed to beat this guy? ".

[Icemmann]

Well, I won't argue as to whether or not Holyfield would beat Jones, because quite frankly I think he would, what I'm arguing is that Jones wouldn't be taken out as easy as people think, because unlike most everyone else.. I remember when Jones was in his prime, and like everyone else.. I too found myself saying " How the hell are you supposed to beat this guy? ".


Jones had that effect, to an extent. Heavyweight isn't part of that picture for me. Jones getting blasted out wouldn't be due to a glass jaw, it would because of lack of size and not having the tools to keep Evander off of him. If you look at his fights with Hopkins and Toney in the bulk of the rounds they were gunshy. Because Jones speed and power for that weight were phenominal. They couldn't just throw at will because of the chance of getting caught with Jones sharp counters, and even though they had sturdy chins they didn't enjoy the natural size displacement that Holyfield would. So Jones could at times just leap in, land a shot or two and leap out before either Toney or Hopkins could react.

[TheGreat]

It's quite laughable to me that so many people are saying Holyfield would walk through Jones with no problem. I'm not putting anyone down for having such a prediction, but damn.. people are so convinced that Jones' chin would fail him in this fight, yet people forget that he went the entire prime of his career without ever even coming close to being knocked out.

Jones would likely be able to take Holy's shots but he would still be beaten bad just like all the other great LHW who fought great HW's as he really is to small for Holy.

[PATSYS]

What happens in a fight between the Jones who fought Ruiz and a prime Holyfield at heavyweight? Holyfield by TKO.

[elTerrible]

Tua against JONES? :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Cmon man, let's be realistic.. A big muthafucka like Tua would tear Jones a new one. Either way Jones was never a natural heavyweight. He dominated at Middle and Lightheavy. Him going to heavyweight is what ruined him. Go figure

I was just thinking of some good B level fighters that maybe jones could have done well against. Holyfield would certainly be out of his league. I think someone like Tua or Oleg, who are decent fighters, Jones would have a better shot at them than Holyfield, because they are slower and less fluid.

Jones atleast has a chance to run from them, Holyfield would be able to catch jones.