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Stinky gloves
09-02-2007, 07:16 PM
Hopkins won just one LHW fight over Tarver who become "champion" by knocking out aging Jones 3 years ago.
Since that time the LHW championship changed between Tarver, journeyman Jones and blown up 42 years old middleweight Hopkins.
I think the relevance of the Ring title to the current status of this deivision is ZERO to NONE.

What is your opinion?
Illmatic
09-02-2007, 07:41 PM
sort of. He beat the man, but after arguing for years about how DM was the linear champ and both he and jones losing, I just gave up.
Jennifer Love Hewitt
09-02-2007, 07:46 PM
Morgan Freeman is awesome.
TheGreat
09-02-2007, 07:50 PM
No because When RJJ was champ he beat the shit out of every top 10 LHW around, since becoming champ Bhops doesn't fight any of the top LHWs, so how can you call your self the champ and not defend your title.
DanePugilist
09-02-2007, 07:52 PM
Dawson would be the correct answer in my book. Erdei would also be a genuine offer, but faded beating faded, that beat faded, does very little for me.
nulty
09-02-2007, 07:55 PM
Dawson would be the correct answer in my book. Erdei would also be a genuine offer, but faded beating faded, that beat faded, does very little for me.

Dawson can rule the division for years to come.
TheGreat
09-02-2007, 08:01 PM
Dawson would be the correct answer in my book. Erdei would also be a genuine offer, but faded beating faded, that beat faded, does very little for me.

The problem with Bhops is the same one we had with Foreman after he beat Moorer, he simply wont defend the title against the top contenders.
TIGEREDGE
09-02-2007, 08:03 PM
The problem with Bhops is the same one we had with Foreman after he beat Moorer, he simply wont defend the title against the top contenders.

I AGREE. WRIGHT WASN'T EVEN A FULL BLOWN MIDDLEWEIGHT> i would like to see him fight joe calzaghe
Stinky gloves
09-02-2007, 08:04 PM
I AGREE. WRIGHT WASN'T EVEN A FULL BLOWN MIDDLEWEIGHT> i would like to see him fight joe calzaghe
So Calzaghe the next blown up champion?
Why not Dawson, Erdei or Woods?
dave82
09-02-2007, 08:09 PM
I don't consider Hopkins a legit LWH champion. IMO only if he wins a belt
TheGreat
09-02-2007, 08:11 PM
So Calzaghe the next blown up champion?
Why not Dawson, Erdei or Woods?

Exactly if he is going to claim the LHW title he needs to fight the LHW champs and contenders.
El Bombasto
09-02-2007, 08:15 PM
To claim that Hopkins is the LHW Champ, you would have to assume that he beat the LHW Champ. So, the answer IMO is definitely no.
pipe wrenched
09-02-2007, 08:17 PM
Dawson would be the correct answer in my book. Erdei would also be a genuine offer, but faded beating faded, that beat faded, does very little for me.

I completely agree with this.:good
brooklyn1550
09-02-2007, 08:19 PM
Nope - Dawson is the best LHW

And this is coming from a big Hopkins fan
dave82
09-02-2007, 08:21 PM
Nope - Dawson is the best LHW

And this is coming from a big Hopkins fan

I agree
maximumsg
09-02-2007, 08:42 PM
I don't think hopkins intensions are to be the light heavyweight champ, he just wants to fight named apponents to add to his legacy and pocket. But I can't blame him at his age I think all of us would do the same thing. But to answer the question I would say dawson the way he took the belt from whats his name.
Robbi
09-02-2007, 08:45 PM
Hopkins is the linear light-heavyweight champion. Its a matter of opinion if you think he's the best.
Stinky gloves
09-02-2007, 08:46 PM
Nope - Dawson is the best LHW

And this is coming from a big Hopkins fan

We will see after Diaconu. Even if he wins he need to prove himself aganist someone else from the top.
If he beat anyone from bellow list I can consider him the best LHW at the current time:
Briggs
Erdei
Woods
Johnson
Tarver
Jones
Hopkins

just one name above.
DanePugilist
09-02-2007, 09:01 PM
The problem with Bhops is the same one we had with Foreman after he beat Moorer, he simply wont defend the title against the top contenders.Yep, thats pretty much it - they are selective in their chosing. I don't blame them, when they are in the twillight of their careers, but I won't hail it either.
compukiller
09-02-2007, 10:09 PM
Hopkins is the linear light-heavyweight champion. Its a matter of opinion if you think he's the best.

:deal
Stinky gloves
09-02-2007, 11:46 PM
:deal

I thought that there is a basic difference between "linear champion" and "ring champion".
At the beginning they should be the same, but later ....

To be linear you should beat the guy who kept the title before but who is not necessery the best at the current time.

To be the ring champion you should be considered the best ... that was my thought ... but you are saying it isn't.

So if Hopkins did not beat a true champion (linear champion) and he is not the best one then what is the "ring belt" ...
is "ring champion" just the most popular one or most famous one or maybe the one who brings the most money?
Lacyace
09-03-2007, 01:03 AM
Hopkins is the linear light-heavyweight champion. Its a matter of opinion if you think he's the best.

Exactly. Best doesn't mean necessarily champion.
Lostmykeys
09-03-2007, 01:20 AM
No I don't think he is the legit champ and I am a Hopkins fan.
the_what
09-03-2007, 01:22 AM
Hopkins is the champ. You dont lose your belt after a fight like he did against Winky. He beat the champion at the time in Tarver. So now he is the champion. Its not that difficult.
China_hand_Joe
09-03-2007, 07:45 AM
Woods
Johnson
Tarver
Jones
Hopkins
You are a millenium behind the rest of us mate.
Motor City Sam
09-03-2007, 09:28 AM
Hopkins is the champ. You dont lose your belt after a fight like he did against Winky. He beat the champion at the time in Tarver. So now he is the champion. Its not that difficult.

Exactly. He beat the champion and has not been beaten in the ring himself. He's still the champion. Everything else is a matter of opinion.
koko of phil
09-03-2007, 10:46 AM
Yes Hopkins is legit at LHW. At least not in MW no more, at last. :yep
Stinky gloves
09-03-2007, 10:50 AM
You are a millenium behind the rest of us mate.

I know Calzaghe is future of LHW division according to you :patsch
NBT
09-03-2007, 01:45 PM
Of course not, Hopkins is actually a curse for the LHW division. He isn't lineal, he doesn't wear a legit belt and would lose to a dozer other LHWs right now in my books. Him owning the Ring belt just shows how worthless and biased the Ring ratings are.
Musashi
09-03-2007, 02:12 PM
Roy Jones was the Ring Champ. He dominated the division for years, and deserved the Championship. Then he lost to Tarver, who lost the title to Glen Johnson, then Tarver took it back.

Hopkins clearly "beat the man who beat the man".

Until Hopkins retires, or loses, he's still the Champ.

Johnson and Tarver gave up a belt to fight each other, because they understood how meaningless the alphabet soup crooks really were.

Only The Ring is even trying to fix the mess that is boxing. I don't understand how people can oppose that. Nor do I understand people who give any credit to the alphabet crooks.
Musashi
09-03-2007, 02:19 PM
Quote - he doesn't wear a legit belt

NBT, there are no legit belts. WBC, WBA, IBF, all those are just corrupt bodies passing out worthless trinkets.

Roy was clearly the top LHVY a few years ago. The Ring awarded him their belt based on their rules, his dominance, and his unification of the trinkets. Hopkins is the linear progression from Jones.

You not liking Hopkins doesn't make him illegitimate.
TIGEREDGE
09-03-2007, 04:29 PM
hops is the champion definately at light heavyweight but i would really like too see a jc fight
Stinky gloves
09-03-2007, 04:50 PM
Quote - he doesn't wear a legit belt

NBT, there are no legit belts. WBC, WBA, IBF, all those are just corrupt bodies passing out worthless trinkets.

Roy was clearly the top LHVY a few years ago. The Ring awarded him their belt based on their rules, his dominance, and his unification of the trinkets. Hopkins is the linear progression from Jones.

You not liking Hopkins doesn't make him illegitimate.
That is the basic difference between linear title and ring title.
Linear title should be based on linearity, Jones didn't have this title
bcs he did not beat DM.

Ring belt should be based on the current status of this division.
Jones was Ring champion bcs he was simply the best and probably better than DM.

Tarver beating Jones might be the best during that short time but
since most of the people do not give respect for Hopkins to be
the BEST LHW I don't see any reason he should keep the Ring belt.

Ring belt is not working in the way as linear, by beating the "man"
who wasn't realy the "man do not mean you are the "man".
Stinky gloves
09-03-2007, 07:32 PM
See the problem is nobody wants to admit Hopkins is any good because that would be like admitting they were wrong all along ! Remember how many people thought Tarver would KO him . Some people even thought Oscar would beat him . People have been betting against Hopkins for as long as I can remember . I always thought that was strange . It's like this circle of people waiting for him to lose bad so they can say I told you he sucked all along ! Like Merchant said everyone is getting old waiting for him to get old . :good
I have no problem with him keep winning.
I think the problem is that if he is claiming to be LHW champion then he should stop
fighting guys a la Winky/Calzaghe and start fighting legitimate LHW contenders.
Lets him fight even Jones ....
Dawson, Erdei, Woods, Briggs are great oponents for someone who is claiming to be Ring champion.
Amsterdam
09-03-2007, 07:34 PM
No, he is not the champ at the weight class. Nor is he is a top 5 P4P at the moment for that matter.

The worst part is if he fought a fresh, younger LHW, he'd lose and people would not rank that younger fighter in the P4P rankings, even though they rank Hopkins top 5 at the moment and scorn anyone who says otherwise. But if he lost to the young fighter, they'd act like they were aware all along to this contradiction.
Amsterdam
09-03-2007, 07:35 PM
I have no problem with him keep winning.
I think the problem is that if he is claiming to be LHW champion then he should stop
fighting guys a la Winky/Calzaghe and start fighting legitimate LHW contenders.
Lets him fight even Jones ....
Dawson, Erdei, Woods, Briggs are great oponents for someone who is claiming to be Ring champion.

If Calzaghe comes out with a win over Kessler, then fighting Calzaghe would be a massive jump for any LHW if they beat him, he's a top P4P who's only one weight class down and would be undefeated.

WRIGHT -

154 pounder, unproven record at 160 and had no business any higher than 160.

SMW's are much more acceptable for a LHW than a LMW, I am afraid.
cuchulain
09-03-2007, 07:41 PM
See the problem is nobody wants to admit Hopkins is any good because that would be like admitting they were wrong all along ! Remember how many people thought Tarver would KO him . Some people even thought Oscar would beat him . People have been betting against Hopkins for as long as I can remember . I always thought that was strange . It's like this circle of people waiting for him to lose bad so they can say I told you he sucked all along ! Like Merchant said everyone is getting old waiting for him to get old . :good

Congratulations, son.

Finally a serious, well-written post!

And nobody got called a motherfucker, a faggot, a homo, a prick or any of that other stuff.


I don't agree with all of it but you're mostly right.

BTW, I predicted Bernard would beat Tarver, but I didn't think the whipping would be so one-sided.

BHop is the linear champ at the moment. There are a few at SMW and LHW who who would probably beat him at this point, but until they do, he's the man.
41fever
09-03-2007, 07:54 PM
He beat the man in Tarver.
Lance_Uppercut
09-03-2007, 07:56 PM
He is the champ whether anyone likes it or not. Maybe beating a bunch of no names and remaining undefeated impresses some of you more.
Lance_Uppercut
09-03-2007, 07:58 PM
No, he is not the champ at the weight class. Nor is he is a top 5 P4P at the moment for that matter.

The worst part is if he fought a fresh, younger LHW, he'd lose and people would not rank that younger fighter in the P4P rankings, even though they rank Hopkins top 5 at the moment and scorn anyone who says otherwise. But if he lost to the young fighter, they'd act like they were aware all along to this contradiction.

Unlike you who will discredit any opponent of his till he loses, then say, "I told you so"...:roll:
elTerrible
09-03-2007, 08:01 PM
I would say that Hopkins WAS the 175 champ.

Roy Jones no doubt was the man at 175. Tarver became the man and after loosing and winning against Johnson was still the man. Hopkins beat him so we can consider Hops to be the champion at that time.

I dont think fighting Winky at 170 counts as a defense at 175.

Basically, I would say that Hopkins has vacated the championship belt. Its been a year and he only fought once at 170 since and may either never fight again or wait a whole year again before fighting.


Although the above is my opinion, you could also argue that the belt/championship was vacated by Tarver for not fighting enough as well and that by that way of thinking that Hops never was a legit champ at 175.