View Full Version : Best one-dimensional fighters past and present
Pimp C
09-02-2007, 09:39 PM
Who are they? The best of the best.
Illmatic
09-02-2007, 09:42 PM
Foreman, Dempsey, Armstrong
Its difficult to peg a one dimensional fighter, inevitably someone can point out a second or third dimension.
Pac a few years ago comes to mind before he developed his other hand.
Frazier was a come forward fighter who was hell bent on landing the hook, dont know if I would call him one dimensional though.
Pimp C
09-02-2007, 09:43 PM
post-Rooney Tyson
I agree post Rooney Tyson never really showed the his complete game again.
Pimp C
09-02-2007, 09:45 PM
Its difficult to peg a one dimensional fighter, inevitably someone can point out a second or third dimension.
Pac a few years ago comes to mind before he developed his other hand.
Frazier was a come forward fighter who was hell bent on landing the hook, dont know if I would call him one dimensional though.
I understand your point but I'm talking about what they did for most of the time they were in the ring.
brooklyn1550
09-02-2007, 09:45 PM
The young George Foreman
El Bombasto
09-02-2007, 09:49 PM
The young George Foreman
Old George Foreman had pretty lousy defense as well...
I understand your point but I'm talking about what they did for most of the time they were in the ring.
Yea I understand you.
I that case, seems like most one dimensional fighters are either preasure fighters or power punchers, being that they are either pressing to wear an opponent down or looking for the KO punch.
Also, I can think of fighters with a ¨money¨ punch, like Mickey Wards left hook to the body. He was one dimensional in that he would just stalk you with his guard up looking to put it on the button bc he knew that if he did you were in for a long night.
Old George Foreman had pretty lousy defense as well...
But it seemed he used his brain a little more in the ring. The young Foreman just tried to club the shit out of you. The older Foreman knew he needed more.
dave82
09-02-2007, 09:54 PM
I have to go with Trinidad. Great fighter however he showed NO versatility in his fights against ODLH, BHop or Wright
I have to go with Trinidad. Great fighter however he showed NO versatility in his fights against ODLH, BHop or Wright
This is an interesting point.
I think Trinidad showed versatility in his wins and an ability to adapt to fighters along the way, it wasnt as if he won all of his fights the same way. But your correct, he showed no versatility in his losses.
So is this a sign of a one dimensional fighter, the sign of a fighter without a backup plan and with a shitty corner, or just the sign of a fighter who was just outmatched (speaking Bernard and Winky here). :think
dave82
09-02-2007, 10:11 PM
This is an interesting point.
I think Trinidad showed versatility in his wins and an ability to adapt to fighters along the way, it wasnt as if he won all of his fights the same way. But your correct, he showed no versatility in his losses.
So is this a sign of a one dimensional fighter, the sign of a fighter without a backup plan and with a shitty corner, or just the sign of a fighter who was just outmatched (speaking Bernard and Winky here). :think
I give him lots of credit especially against Vargas where he was on top early, then vargas managed to come back during the middle rounds and he adjusted and finished the fight in spectacular fashion.
:good
I give him lots of credit especially against Vargas where he was on top early, then vargas managed to come back during the middle rounds and he adjusted and finished the fight in spectular fashion.
:good
Actually that was the fight I was thinking of when I wrote the post. He adapted very well to Vargas, although some would argue his adaptation technique was two swift shots below the belt. :|
dave82
09-02-2007, 10:17 PM
Actually that was the fight I was thinking of when I wrote the post. He adapted very well to Vargas, although some would argue his adaptation technique was two swift shots below the belt. :|
See what i don't understand is Vargas managed to defeat Winky (even though it was controversial) it was a close fight. However when tito fought Winky I had Winky winning every single round. I just could not fathom that.
See what i don't understand is Vargas managed to defeat Winky (even though it was controversial) it was a close fight. However when tito fought Winky I had Winky winning every single round. I just could not fathom that.
Trinidad was one of my favorite fighters. I remember watching the Winky fight, it was as frustrating as it was beautiful. Winky won the fight with one punch, and Tito just simply could not stay away from that jab. :-(
Im not sure how to answer your question, except to say that Im sure Winky gained confidence from the two Mosely fights, and that Tito was not as active at this point.
dave82
09-02-2007, 10:26 PM
Trinidad was one of my favorite fighters. I remember watching the Winky fight, it was as frustrating as it was beautiful. Winky won the fight with one punch, and Tito just simply could not stay away from that jab. :-(
Im not sure how to answer your question, except to say that Im sure Winky gained confidence from the two Mosely fights, and that Tito was not as active at this point.
Do you think its safe to say that it wasn't Tito skills that were one dimensional, perhaps it was his strategy?
Do you think its safe to say that it wasn't Tito skills that were one dimensional, perhaps it was his strategy?
Yea I think thats fair. I can remember Shane in his first fights against Winky and Forest, he didnt adapt well either and I know he is not one dimensional.
In the fight against Bernard, I think Tito was just plain outgunned, and I can forgive him not changing strategy because he probably believed too much in his own power.
In the Winky fight, I havent got any idea why he didnt adapt. His corner wasnt helping though.
I don't know how winning a fight with your jab is beautiful but to each his own. It seems that when Tito gets confused he stops throwing punches which I don't understand. Most fighters just start throwing out of desperation, but Tito will just stand there and be like a deer in headlights. When he was chasing ODH around the ring from 9-12 rounds he was not throwing punches at a rate he should have, I understand you cannot tackle a fighter and make him engage but at least use your ammo, he won those rounds and won the fight but he had a great chance to finish a fighter who was tired, and could not hurt him, and has a reputation for fading late in fights. That fight should have never made it to the scorecards
Its beautiful in its simplicity. He was facing one of the greatest fighters of our generation and he controlled him by disrupting his timing with the most basic punch in boxing. Your not supposed to be able to do that.
Maxmomer
09-02-2007, 10:36 PM
Dempsey was not one-dimensional
KhanB
09-02-2007, 10:45 PM
How about Mayorga? Also Trinidad, Lamon Brewster and Tua are pretty easy to figure out.
Rickypr18
09-02-2007, 11:30 PM
I only believe he(Tito)lost to Winky because of his shitty corner. I think that they had no backup plan and when the fight was developing they were not smart enought to come up with one.
Alo2006
09-02-2007, 11:49 PM
I have to go with Trinidad. Great fighter however he showed NO versatility in his fights against ODLH, BHop or Wright
I agree.
the_what
09-02-2007, 11:59 PM
Winky Wright is as one-dimensional as they come.
I think some of you dont understand the concept of one dimensional.
psychopath
09-03-2007, 12:12 AM
I'll say Valero and Taylor. :yep
He Hate Me
09-03-2007, 12:13 AM
I have to go with Trinidad. Great fighter however he showed NO versatility in his fights against ODLH, BHop or Wright
:good
dave82
09-03-2007, 12:14 AM
Ali was essentially a one demensional fighter. He was a pure boxer, if you put him onto the front foot, it was like he was in another world.
Wow....that really is some call. Would you care to elaborate?
justaboxingfan
09-03-2007, 12:16 AM
Hamed comes to my mind, unless you count his outrageous antics a dimension:nut :lol:
goldnarms
09-03-2007, 12:30 AM
he was capable of some adjustments, but you're never going to see any dramatic changes in his style. Duran and dempsey for example could go on the attack or box from a distance with defense. Ali could not fight on the front foot, he could sort of ajust what he was doing on the back foot, but he wasn't capable of an "additional demension" so to speak.
So, you're saying there are only two dimenensions. One is fighting on the front foot and the other on the back? You're kidding I hope. So basically, you see no difference in the way Ali fought Frasier vs how he fought Forman vs how he fought Patterson?:?
hellblazer
09-03-2007, 07:19 AM
Vic Darchinyan and Edwin Valero
McGrain
09-03-2007, 07:21 AM
Mike Tyson and Jake LaMotta would be my two picks from the history of boxing.
McGrain
09-03-2007, 07:24 AM
he was capable of some adjustments, but you're never going to see any dramatic changes in his style. Duran and dempsey for example could go on the attack or box from a distance with defense. Ali could not fight on the front foot, he could sort of ajust what he was doing on the back foot, but he wasn't capable of an "additional demension" so to speak.
The man could change at the flick of a switch. In the Williams fight he shows astonishing ring generalship and tactical awareness as well as mutliple dimensions. He comes out in the first round with a stick and move game plan designed to frustrate the huge hitting Williams. Within one minute he understands what he's got on his hands (a shot fighter) and starts sitting down on his punches.
McGrain
09-03-2007, 07:25 AM
Dempsey was not one-dimensional
Agreed.
koko of phil
09-03-2007, 10:03 AM
Foreman and Tyson.
Gerry Cooney. His left hook was one of the greatest in the histrory of the sport. Too bad he had nothing else.
Blacc Jesus
09-03-2007, 11:49 AM
Post-Rooney Tyson.
lefthook31
09-03-2007, 12:04 PM
Diego Corrales
Sam Peter
David Tua
Felix Trinidad
Gerald Mclellan
Marnoff
09-03-2007, 12:16 PM
Ali was essentially a one demensional fighter. He was a pure boxer, if you put him onto the front foot, it was like he was in another world.
Right....
Marnoff
09-03-2007, 12:17 PM
hopkins
hatton
duran
mosley
^^^just to name a few.
Hopkins is one dimensional? In what way?
Marnoff
09-03-2007, 12:18 PM
he was capable of some adjustments, but you're never going to see any dramatic changes in his style. Duran and dempsey for example could go on the attack or box from a distance with defense. Ali could not fight on the front foot, he could sort of ajust what he was doing on the back foot, but he wasn't capable of an "additional demension" so to speak.
Ali's style changed dramatically over the course of his career. Since he was successful using more than one style, I'd say he isn't one-dimensional at all.
Marnoff
09-03-2007, 12:19 PM
Floyd Mayweather.
Not even close.
Marnoff
09-03-2007, 12:20 PM
So, you're saying there are only two dimenensions. One is fighting on the front foot and the other on the back? You're kidding I hope. So basically, you see no difference in the way Ali fought Frasier vs how he fought Forman vs how he fought Patterson?:?
Exactly. Not one dimensional at all.
Marnoff
09-03-2007, 12:21 PM
Too defensive and passive.
Did you even see him in his prime? He completely reinvented his style. He's as far from one dimensional as you can get. Did you find him defensive and passive against Winky or Tarver?
ron u.k.
09-03-2007, 12:37 PM
surely rocky marciano?
ron u.k.
09-03-2007, 12:38 PM
he was capable of some adjustments, but you're never going to see any dramatic changes in his style. Duran and dempsey for example could go on the attack or box from a distance with defense. Ali could not fight on the front foot, he could sort of ajust what he was doing on the back foot, but he wasn't capable of an "additional demension" so to speak.cleveland williams agreed:nut
Marnoff
09-03-2007, 01:00 PM
Did you even see him in his prime? He completely reinvented his style. He's as far from one dimensional as you can get. Did you find him defensive and passive against Winky or Tarver?
No, I found him to be worse than Ricky "Huggy Bear" Hatton. All he did was charge forward with his head, hit once, and hold. Wow, how dimensional.:roll:
So wait, you said he is one dimensional, but now say he does many different things.
You still haven't answered my question. Have you seen him in his prime?
BobbyFalk
09-03-2007, 01:11 PM
Joe Frazier.
Only knew one way to fight..
Marnoff
09-03-2007, 03:26 PM
Still didn't answer my question. I guess you haven't seen Hopkins in his prime, you're just talking about things you know nothing about.
Relentless
09-03-2007, 03:30 PM
he hasn't come online since you asked him the question, idiot.
Marnoff
09-03-2007, 06:28 PM
he hasn't come online since you asked him the question, idiot.
I see you edited your post minutes after you wrote it. Probably to add the "idiot" remark on the end. Says a lot about you.
Marnoff
09-03-2007, 06:29 PM
:rofl
And to answer the question: yes, I've seen snaggletooth in his prime...not impressed
Must suck being a Margarito fan.
Relentless
09-03-2007, 06:33 PM
I see you edited your post minutes after you wrote it. Probably to add the "idiot" remark on the end. Says a lot about you.
nope i just had a typo, read floydp4pchumps quote he got it before i edited it.
Shake
09-03-2007, 06:59 PM
Prince Naseem Hamed, Felix Trinidad (to a degree), Edison Miranda (to every degree), young George Foreman, Gerry Cooney (though he did show some 'footwork' against old George) and Rocky Marciano are all reasonable picks, and I'd go with Marciano. His style was never dismantled -- punch hard until your opponent is battered and exhausted, wherever and whenever, and then punch some more utilizing superior conditioning and punching power off the front foot.
That someone mentioned Ali is the most surprising, even moreso than that no-one seems to be able to spell 'dimension' correctly.
ajohnfp
09-03-2007, 07:03 PM
Henry Armstrong past.
Pacquiao today.
Marnoff
09-03-2007, 07:30 PM
nope i just had a typo, read floydp4pchumps quote he got it before i edited it.
Big surprise. Fat fingers.
Relentless
09-03-2007, 07:31 PM
Big surprise. Fat fingers.
:lol: great comeback, i dont even know how to responde to that.
Marnoff
09-03-2007, 07:34 PM
:lol: great comeback, i dont even know how to responde to that.
Heh....
Thread Stealer
09-03-2007, 09:13 PM
hopkins
duran
:iamwiths: :iamwiths:
Marnoff
09-03-2007, 11:32 PM
:iamwiths: :iamwiths:
No kidding.
Stinky gloves
09-04-2007, 12:15 AM
Trinidad was pretty good
pugilistspecialist
09-04-2007, 12:45 AM
Henry Armstrong is the greatest pound for pound on my all-time list but he was very one dimensional. He had great stamina, a good punch, frentic workrate, and strength to outmuscle and get inside larger men. His handspeed was good and he had a great chin. He was all pressure. His nicknames Homicide Hank personifide his all out style.
Stinky gloves
09-04-2007, 01:02 AM
Ruiz... and I'm dead serious. He took that jab and grab thing to a whole new level... it worked well for him.
Not true, Ruiz have many levels of grabbings, huggs and one combos.
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