View Full Version : Wlad Vs. Tua... WHY????
Someone give me a convincing reason why Wlad should be fighting David Slow Motion Tua please... cause I just dont see it.
brooklyn1550
09-02-2007, 10:17 PM
Maybe just to stay busy while Maskaev/Peter, Chagaev (hep B), Ibragimov/Holyfield, Byrd/Povetkin, and Brock/Chambers are all tied up. Tua is a big name in today's heavyweight division.
I, for one, don't like the idea of this fight. Speaking as a Tua fan, its a bad move on his part. He has a much better chance of beating Samuel Peter, Oleg Maskaev, Evander Holyfield, or Sultan Ibragimov.
box03
09-02-2007, 10:19 PM
One reason is cause Tua has serious knockout power, two he has a top 3 chin in the heavywieght division, the third reason is Wlad has trouble with fighters who have power and a good chin. Brewster,sanders,and Peter.
TheGreat
09-02-2007, 10:21 PM
It's no worse than any other fight in this shitty division.
It's no worse than any other fight in this shitty division.
Sadly, your right about this and this is the source of my frustration.
Brooklyn I also think your right, its a stay busy fight. If I could only believe that it would be immediately followed by some kind of unification I could swing it, but I just think these guys are never going to unify. :-(
Asterion
09-02-2007, 10:23 PM
Tua is still decent and not old for a heavyweight, although he is past his prime as we know. But he still is a tremendous puncher and his chin is still iron.
I prefer Wlad-Tua instead of Wlad-Chambers/Briggs/Ruiz/Virchis/etc
andyZOR
09-02-2007, 10:23 PM
Someone give me a convincing reason why Wlad should be fighting David Slow Motion Tua please... cause I just dont see it.
Name one guy who he should fight.
a.arthur.h
09-02-2007, 10:28 PM
Tua is still decent and not old for a heavyweight, although he is past his prime as we know. But he still is a tremendous puncher and his chin is still iron.
I prefer Wlad-Tua instead of Wlad-Chambers/Briggs/Ruiz/Virchis/etc
As do I.
Its as good a fight as Wlad can get until all the other title fights are settled. I hope Tua wins, then Wlad beats him in the rematch. Just because I think Wlad will be better for the long run. And Tua MUST become a HW champ. If John fuckin' Ruiz got to, Tua should have at least a few chances :p.
Asterion
09-02-2007, 10:29 PM
Name one guy who he should fight.
Right now there isn't but, after beating Tua (if the rumours of their fight are true), Wlad must focus on one of these:
a) Ibragimov-Holyfield winner
b) Peter-Maskaev winner (but I think Vitali will take this one)
c) Povetkin/Chambers/Byrd/Brock winner
Chagaev is out of the picture until he announces what he is going to do with his boxing career.
andyZOR
09-02-2007, 11:35 PM
Chagaev is out of the picture until he announces what he is going to do with his boxing career.
Hopefully hes OK. Hes one of my favorate heavyweights right now.
Stinky gloves
09-02-2007, 11:39 PM
Someone give me a convincing reason why Wlad should be fighting David Slow Motion Tua please... cause I just dont see it.
Where did you hear that?
Where did you hear that?
There is a thread about it now on ESB.
TamaTonga
09-02-2007, 11:46 PM
why wlad fight tua?,cause tua is a fuking knock out fighter not like those other fake ass heavyweight fighter this days,come on plz stop moaning and crying over the forum why wlad fighting tua,tired of all this cry ass babys on this forum,i bet ya if this was another name yall moaning the same thing,why wlad fight this guy
enough
Dr Gonzo
09-02-2007, 11:48 PM
why wlad fight tua,cause tua is a fuking knock out fighter not like those other fake ass heavyweight fighter this days,come on plz stop moaning and crying over the forum why wlad fighting tua
:rofl:rofl:rofl
i didnt understand a word of that
Tua has nothing more than a punchers chance IMO - he doesnt have the stamina or speed to keep up with Wlad. He would spend the entire night on the end of the jab/cross combination and lose in a wide UD
why wlad fight tua,cause tua is a fuking knock out fighter not like those other fake ass heavyweight fighter this days,come on plz stop moaning and crying over the forum why wlad fighting tua
:roll:
This isnt the late 90's man.
And who are the fake heavies your talking about, and what does Tua do that makes him a real heavy?
PATSYS
09-02-2007, 11:49 PM
Someone give me a convincing reason why Wlad should be fighting David Slow Motion Tua please... cause I just dont see it.
Who says they're fighting?
box03
09-02-2007, 11:50 PM
why wlad fight tua,cause tua is a fuking knock out fighter not like those other fake ass heavyweight fighter this days,come on plz stop moaning and crying over the forum why wlad fighting tua I think Tua is a great oppenent for Wlad, he really does have a decent chance of beating Wlad. I think if he comes in looking to knockout the weak chinned Wlad once and for all, I honestly hope he retires him with a left hook to his fucking head.
I think Tua is a great oppenent for Wlad, he really does have a decent chance of beating Wlad. I think if he comes in looking to knockout the weak chinned Wlad once and for all, I honestly hope he retires him with a left hook to his fucking head.
You sound like a hater.
Let me tell you reality. Wlad is going to connect with a right hand to Tuas head and your not going to be able to decifer between his hair and his brain matter.
box03
09-02-2007, 11:55 PM
You sound like a hater.
Let me tell you reality. Wlad is going to connect with a right hand to Tuas head and your not going to be able to decifer between his hair and his brain matter. You might be right, Im just sick of Wlad at the top. I honestly believe if Wlad was in the 90s era of boxing he would be an easy prey, he would end up being exposed more than Tommy Morrison.
Stinky gloves
09-02-2007, 11:59 PM
There is a thread about it now on ESB.
You mean this thread?
You mean this thread?
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semichin
09-03-2007, 12:20 AM
If they did fight, and tua got lucky,,,,that would shift the balance to what ???:scaredas:
box03
09-03-2007, 12:23 AM
I think american fighters for the most part enjoy Tuas' slugger style over Wlads plotting style.
Blacc Jesus
09-03-2007, 12:25 AM
It's no worse than any other fight in this shitty division.
real talk.
Decker
09-03-2007, 12:38 AM
Someone give me a convincing reason why Wlad should be fighting David Slow Motion Tua please... cause I just dont see it.Why not? Tua is a name HW and still has a big punch. You could say the same thing about many ATGs opponents. And you probably don't think Wlad is an ATG. Wlad wants a stay busy fight. One he could lose if he got sloppy. So why does there need to be some convincing reason. They're not all fights of the year/decade/century :roll:
Decker
09-03-2007, 12:43 AM
real talk.More like surreal talk :yep
Yo Blacc, why do you agree it's a shitty division? Don't care for the guys at the top, huh :lol:
aliwasthegreatest
09-03-2007, 12:55 AM
Tua will lose by TKO i really think that. he hasn't been battered in awhile. and he's too slow to explode on Wlad the way he needs to. he's never been abel to get past a jab as well
KobeIsGod
09-03-2007, 01:41 AM
You can't go from class-A ball to the majors expecting the same results. Tua will be stopped for the first time in his career just like Brewster was. Wald haters need to look for another savior :yep cause this ain't gonna happen. I doubt Tua will take this fight anyways. If i'm not mistaken he turned down a Brewster fight a short while ago.
Dekkers
09-03-2007, 01:46 AM
Listening to all the fellas on the Aussie forum Tua has been pretty dissapointing whilst on the comeback trail, not really excited about this one. The Kiwis seem more excited about Shane Cameron than Tua atm.
Mendoza
09-03-2007, 07:03 AM
One reason is cause Tua has serious knockout power, two he has a top 3 chin in the heavywieght division, the third reason is Wlad has trouble with fighters who have power and a good chin. Brewster,sanders,and Peter.
Tua looked good in his last fight. Tua would eat Holyfield's lunch. He's a dangerous heavyweight with great power, and great durability.
Stewbear
09-03-2007, 07:49 AM
Tua would have to be pretty crazy to take the fight at this stage
Heavyrighthand
09-03-2007, 08:44 AM
Name one guy who he should fight.
Right. The good fights are not available right now, and I think Klit is merely staying sharp by fighting Tua. it is a decently exciting matchup, with the power Tua brings, as well as the power AND skill and size that Wlad brings.
I just hope Wlad don't screw up his hands again by pounding on Tua's coconut. That'll then mess up any chances of a unification fight in the summer of 08.
But I guess Klit can't sit and wait, when he's not even sure a big oppoonent will be willing to fight him once they do become available. So..........
Fat Tony
09-03-2007, 08:53 AM
The winner of Ibragimov-Holyfield should be available in Jan/Feb.
I want Wlad to fight the winner.
Why doesn't he fight the Ibragimov-Holyfield winner as you say, or Valuev? Both should be available about the same time as Klitschko will be, after their up-coming fights. Otherwise he could give a shot to an up-and-comer, like Haye, Virchis, Povetkin, Rodriguez, even Greenberg. No one stands out right now as having earned a shot, but why not just pick on guys who are making moves?
RUSKULL
09-03-2007, 10:52 AM
You might be right, Im just sick of Wlad at the top. I honestly believe if Wlad was in the 90s era of boxing he would be an easy prey, he would end up being exposed more than Tommy Morrison.
Wlad will kill any version of Tommy Morrison, and I was a fan of Tommy's.
RUSKULL
09-03-2007, 10:56 AM
Why doesn't he fight the Ibragimov-Holyfield winner as you say, or Valuev? Both should be available about the same time as Klitschko will be, after their up-coming fights. Otherwise he could give a shot to an up-and-comer, like Haye, Virchis, Povetkin, Rodriguez, even Greenberg. No one stands out right now as having earned a shot, but why not just pick on guys who are making moves?
I agree. I'd rather see Wlad fight an up & coming young fighter than a never was like David Tua. He'll get little credit for the win anyway.
The front page article said some BS like "......to get Tua the title shot he deserves...." or something like that. Tua deserves a title shot for fighting nothing but tomato cans in his recent comeback?
Why not? Tua is a name HW and still has a big punch. You could say the same thing about many ATGs opponents. And you probably don't think Wlad is an ATG. Wlad wants a stay busy fight. One he could lose if he got sloppy. So why does there need to be some convincing reason. They're not all fights of the year/decade/century :roll:
I guess I would just like... say.. for the best to fight the best.
If its a stay busy fight then fine, but I would like some unification soon please. :good
The winner of Ibragimov-Holyfield should be available in Jan/Feb.
I want Wlad to fight the winner.
I think that is what we will see, a Tua fight is pointless and a joke.
Fighting a come forward power puncher with an iron chin, and people are complaining?
Fighting a come forward power puncher with an iron chin, and people are complaining?
Dont you want a unified champ, or something close?
This is a quick KO IMO and nothing more.
Dont you want a unified champ, or something close?
This is a quick KO IMO and nothing more. Of course i want a unified champ.
but who is he going to schedule a fight with as of NOW.
Chagaev... out
S.I. .... fighting
Maskaev... fighting
its a stay busy fight.... and quick KO?
i will bet you anything you want that this wont be a quick KO. A N Y T H I N G
With Wlads jab oriented style nowdays, rarely even opening up with his right hand with power till the 3rd round and then just barely, i garuntee you it wont be a quick KO, especially since he will be wary of Tuas power.
TOS, Brock, and Castillo COULD have all been early ko's, and maybe should have.... but with wlads new style (not throwing early bombs, more of a outbox you and wear you down till he puts the thunder on late) type of style they all went 5 or more.
and i garuntee you so will tua.
KO byBRIGGS
09-03-2007, 12:28 PM
I got scared for a second this bs fight was almost made. Briggs would be the best fight for Wlad right now but he is too afraid to fight him because he knows his chin wont hold up.
Zakman
09-03-2007, 02:30 PM
I got scared for a second this bs fight was almost made. Briggs would be the best fight for Wlad right now but he is too afraid to fight him because he knows his chin wont hold up.
:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl
And Briggs' chin WILL?? :lol::lol: Just like it did against china-chinned journeyman Darroll Wilson, right!:rofl
semichin
09-03-2007, 02:35 PM
Wlad will kill any version of Tommy Morrison, and I was a fan of Tommy's. :good ( from formerly drvooh )
Decker
09-03-2007, 02:59 PM
:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl
And Briggs' chin WILL?? :lol::lol: Just like it did against china-chinned journeyman Darroll Wilson, right!:rofl Exactly ! KO byBRIGGS what's w/the constant one note song and dance with Briggs? You think Wlad is scared of a guy that could hardly throw a handful of puches vs SI? C'mon, you can do better than that. Or are you that high on Sultan? :blood
Feiti
09-03-2007, 06:58 PM
I donīt think Tua deserves it and that itīs a weak fight for Wlad. Tua would be pushing his luck to go in with the small amount of preparation and lousy competition heīs had in the last years.
However I think itīs better for them to fight than for Wlad to remain inactive. Also, there are just not that many good fights out there for Wlad, so he might as well fight whoever has the guts to challenge him.
RUSKULL
09-03-2007, 07:05 PM
I got scared for a second this bs fight was almost made. Briggs would be the best fight for Wlad right now but he is too afraid to fight him because he knows his chin wont hold up.
Wlad would get so much shit on this site for fighting Briggs.................you have to be kidding. Besides, Briggs doesn't deserve a title shot after that lame preformance vs. Sultan.
RUSKULL
09-03-2007, 07:07 PM
:good ( from formerly drvooh )
I liked the name DrVooh better, why the change?
semichin
09-03-2007, 07:07 PM
Wlad would get so much shit on this site for fighting Briggs.................you have to be kidding. Besides, Briggs doesn't deserve a title shot after that lame preformance vs. Sultan.
:yep
box03
09-03-2007, 07:09 PM
Wlad would get so much shit on this site for fighting Briggs.................you have to be kidding. Besides, Briggs doesn't deserve a title shot after that lame preformance vs. Sultan. agreed Briggs should have an inhaler in his corner, I havnt seen deep breathing like that since the first Wlad/Brewster fight.:tired
RUSKULL
09-03-2007, 07:19 PM
Because Tua will knock out that china chin bum !
Isn't it your bedtime?
Heavyrighthand
09-03-2007, 08:09 PM
there are just not that many good fights out there for Wlad, so he might as well fight whoever has the guts to challenge him.:good
Tua is not a bad choice, given his chin and power. I don't really see anything too terribly wrong with this matchup. Its not mhy first pick, no, but its a good choice seeing as how the other titleholders are tied up.
Next to unification, the fighters I'd then like to see Wlad fight would be Virchis and Tua.
When Wlad and Tua go at it, there is gonna be KO shots being thrown around like torpedos.
2smart4u
09-03-2007, 08:12 PM
:good
Tua is not a bad choice, given his chin and power. I don't really see anything too terribly wrong with this matchup. Its not mhy first pick, no, but its a good choice seeing as how the other titleholders are tied up.:smoke Id give TUA a better chance against VLAD then any of the other champions ! So actually I think its a great choice of oponent !:bbb
Armo_Ruski
09-03-2007, 08:25 PM
if this is the case i'd rather see golota face wlad, cause i think samoa joe is more washed up then golota and thats sad
2smart4u
09-03-2007, 08:40 PM
if this is the case i'd rather see golota face wlad, cause i think samoa joe is more washed up then golota and thats sad:patsch GOLOTA gets whacked with the first right hand then freezes like statue ! Its over shortly there after ! Since even in his prime TUA wouldnt have had a chance in hell of outboxing KLIT he still has his chin and power which still makes the match intriquing !:bbb
Fighting Weight
09-03-2007, 08:46 PM
I think this would be a good fight for WALDO to take, if a unification bout isn't possible right now then taking on a granite chinned guy with a huge left hook (WALDOS nemesis) seems a good option to me.
I haven't seen Tua lately though so don't know how far past his peak he is. If he's anything like what he was when he fought Lewis he'll be dangerous though.
Tua also seems like one of the good guys of the sport too from what I know about him, so glad he's getting a shot for that reason alone.
rodney
09-03-2007, 09:02 PM
Tua has a good chin.
And good puncher.
Who else is available where they can sell tickets ,market this one and make money.
For what its worth ---- Vlad is getting better and better and better.
Tua is not.
Fighting Weight
09-03-2007, 09:10 PM
For what its worth ---- Vlad is getting better and better and better.
Tua is not.
WALD is getting better and better? Not spotted it myself, he's learnt to hug when he's in trouble (which is frequently) and that's about it. Same as Bruno at the same age, and at about the same level too.
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