Dear Taylor apologists, here is another scenerio for you and more angles.

[Amsterdam]

This also relates to the 'senior circuit' and the 'circle jerking circuit'.

To start off my friends, I'd like to use Arthur Abraham as my subject matter, who recently KOed Khoren Gevor, a slick and true to form real MW who gave Abraham problems stylistically with his boxing ability. It is fact that Gevor had been stopped in the past, but so had Spinks against Judah.

Arthur Abraham recieves little credit for brutally starching Gevor, but Jermain Taylor recieves credit for 'nearly shutting out Ouma' and then dealing with a tough styles match up in Spinks. Spinks was presented for Jermain Taylor as a quick name and easy smaller man for Taylor to knock out as we know, I in fact scored the fight a draw and the credit should go to Cory Spinks for taking the fight and nearly winning it...

But let's go back to 2006 when Abraham got the lucky win over Miranda. Let's say he cameback against Ouma, who had been having issue's with guys on the level of Rubio, including being hurt and dropped and let's say Abraham KOed Ouma in 2 rounds(very likely honestly).

People would just say 'Ouma should have never been in the ring with a big MW'. However, Jermain the disgrace Taylor lands everything but the kitchen sink and doesn't even drop the little man and Ouma is awarded by default the 'iron chin' award. Fucking terrible by the way.

Next up we have Cory Spinks for the comebacking Abraham, let's say Abraham gets him in 4(very likely). Spinks is just a blown up Welter who had a glass chin at WW and was KOed by Zab Judah. However, to Jermain Taylor apologists, Spinks is a tricky masterful boxer who is able to present issue's to ANY big MW. Is this not what they have been going on about my friends in defence of Taylor?:think

Now let's throw the last angle involved with using Abraham as the medium. Winky comes back down to 160 and gets KOed in round 8(again, likely at this point), Winky's just faded, past it and what not, yet Hopkins and Taylor are riding high on the win and the competitive draw and would continue to do so even when fans discredited Abraham's KO win.

Abraham is not P4P after those 3 wins, of course.:yep

Hell, Abraham's resume at MW right now easily rivals Taylor's on top of it, yet foolish boxing fans do not see this at all, they judge only on the names and not how fights were won and not by where the names are truly at.

I cannot wait until Taylor is officially starched as you all know, but after Pavlik does it, he will be so massively overrated that it will rival some of the sickest hype trains in history, then Pavlik will get destroyed when he moves up in weight against some underrated SMW-LHW and people will act like they knew all along that Pavlik was limited and not set for P4P weight jumping, yet they'd have picked Pavlik to KO the SMW, let's say Lucian Bute.:lol:

[Lacyace]

Uh, Spinks and Ouma>>>>>Khoren Gevor. As a matter of fact, both Spinks AND Ouma would beat Gevor.

[KO Boxing]

Nice post, just one slight problem...

Spinks UD Abraham
Abraham UD Ouma

KO 2 and KO 4... :scaredas:

We got it, you don't like Jermain Taylor... That's fair, cause I can admit I don't like the guy in your avator either.

:good

[Amsterdam]

Uh, Spinks and Ouma>>>>>Khoren Gevor. As a matter of fact, both Spinks AND Ouma would beat Gevor.

At MW?

Spinks and Ouma superior to Gevor at 160 pounds?

:rofl

[Amsterdam]

Nice post, just one slight problem...

Spinks UD Abraham
Abraham UD Ouma

KO 2 and KO 4... :scaredas:

We got it, you don't like Jermain Taylor... That's fair, cause I can admit I don't like the guy in your avator either.

:good

You think either of them last the distance with a real MW puncher? Both have been severely hurt at lower weight classes, against much smaller men.

[C Money]

I think its clear that Abraham is working toward a shot at the winner of Taylor vs Pavlik and will likely get one.

So cheer up mate, if Pavlik cant do it, AA will likely get his chance soon enough unless he loses:good

[DanePugilist]

Taylor is going to Ghostbust and Exorcize the Ghost of Pavlik, and then, he is off to conquer the Supermiddles. Taylor just might set his sights on Bernard "Driving Miss Daisy" Hopkins once again.I'd be surprised if Taylor can make a no. 9 spot at SMW. Taylor needs another gift decision vs overhyped Pavlik.

[Amsterdam]

I think its clear that Abraham is working toward a shot at the winner of Taylor vs Pavlik and will likely get one.

So cheer up mate, if Pavlik cant do it, AA will likely get his chance soon enough unless he loses:good

I despise how because Spinks and Ouma are recognisable names, that struggling wins vs. both mean more than a struggling win vs. a true MW, who is really actually quite a skilled fighter, in Khoren Gevor I mean.

Khoren Gevor would likely win 9 to 3 against Taylor, only to lose 115-113 on Chuck Giampa's scoredcard and the other two incompetant pieces of human garbage that sit at the judges stool.

The point is that if you take the way fights were won into consideration, Abraham's resume easily rivals, or even defeats Taylor's. I presented some scenerio's and I also presented what would be the reaction to those scenerio's if they happened and I am at least correct on the reactions.

The fact that fucking Taylor recieves more credit for doing things lesser potentially than another, underrated MW, is disgusting.

However, picking Spinks or Ouma over Gevor at 160 is the best entertainment in a while.:lol:

[DanePugilist]

I think its clear that Abraham is working toward a shot at the winner of Taylor vs Pavlik and will likely get one.

So cheer up mate, if Pavlik cant do it, AA will likely get his chance soon enough unless he loses:good:good - He should have gotten it before Pavlik though - but okay.

[Lacyace]

At MW?

Spinks and Ouma superior to Gevor at 160 pounds?

:rofl
Sure would. Ouma, Spinks, Wright>>>>Miranda, Demers, Gevor.

However, picking Spinks or Ouma over Gevor at 160 is the best entertainment in a while.
You must crack yourself up with those 'Gevor beats Taylor 9-3' jokes.

[C Money]

I despise how because Spinks and Ouma are recognisable names, that struggling wins vs. both mean more than a struggling win vs. a true MW, who is really actually quite a skilled fighter, in Khoren Gevor I mean.

Khoren Gevor would likely win 9 to 3 against Taylor, only to lose 115-113 on Chuck Giampa's scoredcard and the other two incompetant pieces of human garbage that sit at the judges stool.

The point is that if you take the way fights were won into consideration, Abraham's resume easily rivals, or even defeats Taylor's. I presented some scenerio's and I also presented what would be the reaction to those scenerio's if they happened and I am at least correct on the reactions.

The fact that fucking Taylor recieves more credit for doing things lesser potentially than another, underrated MW, is disgusting.

However, picking Spinks or Ouma over Gevor at 160 is the best entertainment in a while.:lol:


I cant buy into his resume rivaling taylor's. Taylor has fought the toughest opposition in his last 5 + 1 fights in all of boxing.

I do buy into Abraham's shot is coming. Whether its against taylor or Pavlik:good

[Amsterdam]

I cant buy into his resume rivaling taylor's. Taylor has fought the toughest opposition in his last 5 + 1 fights in all of boxing.

I do buy into Abraham's shot is coming. Whether its against taylor or Pavlik:good

That's the rumour. However much I rate Wright and Hopkins, I don't rate Spinks and Ouma at MW. And then it goes into how he won.

Resume's are not just names, but how the win happened.

[sues2nd]

Uh, Spinks and Ouma>>>>>Khoren Gevor. As a matter of fact, both Spinks AND Ouma would beat Gevor.

Quite easily in fact....:think

[Lostmykeys]

This also relates to the 'senior circuit' and the 'circle jerking circuit'.

To start off my friends, I'd like to use Arthur Abraham as my subject matter, who recently KOed Khoren Gevor, a slick and true to form real MW who gave Abraham problems stylistically with his boxing ability. It is fact that Gevor had been stopped in the past, but so had Spinks against Judah.

Arthur Abraham recieves little credit for brutally starching Gevor, but Jermain Taylor recieves credit for 'nearly shutting out Ouma' and then dealing with a tough styles match up in Spinks. Spinks was presented for Jermain Taylor as a quick name and easy smaller man for Taylor to knock out as we know, I in fact scored the fight a draw and the credit should go to Cory Spinks for taking the fight and nearly winning it...

But let's go back to 2006 when Abraham got the lucky win over Miranda. Let's say he cameback against Ouma, who had been having issue's with guys on the level of Rubio, including being hurt and dropped and let's say Abraham KOed Ouma in 2 rounds(very likely honestly).

People would just say 'Ouma should have never been in the ring with a big MW'. However, Jermain the disgrace Taylor lands everything but the kitchen sink and doesn't even drop the little man and Ouma is awarded by default the 'iron chin' award. Fucking terrible by the way.

Next up we have Cory Spinks for the comebacking Abraham, let's say Abraham gets him in 4(very likely). Spinks is just a blown up Welter who had a glass chin at WW and was KOed by Zab Judah. However, to Jermain Taylor apologists, Spinks is a tricky masterful boxer who is able to present issue's to ANY big MW. Is this not what they have been going on about my friends in defence of Taylor?:think

Now let's throw the last angle involved with using Abraham as the medium. Winky comes back down to 160 and gets KOed in round 8(again, likely at this point), Winky's just faded, past it and what not, yet Hopkins and Taylor are riding high on the win and the competitive draw and would continue to do so even when fans discredited Abraham's KO win.

Abraham is not P4P after those 3 wins, of course.:yep

Hell, Abraham's resume at MW right now easily rivals Taylor's on top of it, yet foolish boxing fans do not see this at all, they judge only on the names and not how fights were won and not by where the names are truly at.

I cannot wait until Taylor is officially starched as you all know, but after Pavlik does it, he will be so massively overrated that it will rival some of the sickest hype trains in history, then Pavlik will get destroyed when he moves up in weight against some underrated SMW-LHW and people will act like they knew all along that Pavlik was limited and not set for P4P weight jumping, yet they'd have picked Pavlik to KO the SMW, let's say Lucian Bute.:lol:

LOL dude we get it, Taylor is a bum with no chin and will get startched by Pavlik despite being undefeated and holding his own against All time great fighters in Hopkins and Wright. :good

[Amsterdam]

Quite easily in fact....:think

You seriously think Spinks and Ouma are going to beat a skilled natural MW?

[Amsterdam]

On top of the fact that I realise that my hatred for Jermain Taylor has gone way too far, the thread is valid. It's likely that if Abraham were matched against those fighters, a definitive with Spinks and Ouma, that the results would be somewhere around that area and in doing so, he'd recieve less credit than Taylor did for giving piss fights, because of Taylor's incompetence at the very elite level at MW, that somehow legitimises Ouma and Spinks to beat Gevor and to trouble Abraham.

Correct?

This is completely valid because Abraham would get little to no credit for doing the scenerio that I stated above.

[DanePugilist]

LOL dude we get it, Taylor is a bum with no chin and will get startched by Pavlik despite being undefeated and holding his own against All time great fighters in Hopkins and Wright. :goodYou will return later and apologize, when you realize that you have been looking through a kaleidoscope.

[brooklyn1550]

On top of the fact that I realise that my hatred for Jermain Taylor has gone way too far

Yes it has:lol:


Khoren Gevor is a solid middleweight, but nothing special. Cory Spinks is a very good welterweight and light middleweight, but nothing special at middleweight. I would say he and Gevor would be a competitive fight - I have no pick. Kassim Ouma is around the same league as Gevor. Both have solid chins, throw a lot of punches, and aren't very big. Ouma has better stamina though.

Is there any denying that Taylor fights great opposition? Marquez, Joppy, Hopkins twice, Wright, Ouma, Spinks, and now Pavlik....this guy isn't scared to take a challenge and test himself among the best fighters out there.

[Lostmykeys]

You will return later and apologize, when you realize that you have been looking through a kaleidoscope.

Apologise for what?

My sarcastic comment, I'm just saying that Amsterdam has come to the point where his hate for Jermain Taylor is starting to make him sound irrational.

At the very least Jermain Taylor is a fighter who can be compettitive with anyone at middleweight. Kelly Pavlik could very well knock Taylor out, but to try and tear down Taylor's accomplishments dosen't make sense in this context.

[sues2nd]

You seriously think Spinks and Ouma are going to beat a skilled natural MW?

Yeah, I think Spinks, being a slick, defensive southpaw can be a nightmare for just about anyone in and around his weight class. Dont get me wrong, I dont like the guys style (he is very boring when needing to press the action himself)....but he skilled, and severely underrated.

And Ouma is another fighter that poses severe matchup problems for many fighters. He has a good chin and FANTASTIC STAMINA! He is also a high output fighter, with decent enough speed.

I think both of them can beat Grevor easily.

[Dekkers]

Yes it has:lol:


Khoren Gevor is a solid middleweight, but nothing special. Cory Spinks is a very good welterweight and light middleweight, but nothing special at middleweight. I would say he and Gevor would be a competitive fight - I have no pick. Kassim Ouma is around the same league as Gevor. Both have solid chins, throw a lot of punches, and aren't very big. Ouma has better stamina though.

Is there any denying that Taylor fights great opposition? Marquez, Joppy, Hopkins twice, Wright, Ouma, Spinks, and now Pavlik....this guy isn't scared to take a challenge and test himself among the best fighters out there.

Looking at it that way, Taylor and Abraham are very comparable, possibly with the edge to Abraham.

[KO Boxing]

Yeah, I think Spinks, being a slick, defensive southpaw can be a nightmare for just about anyone in and around his weight class. Dont get me wrong, I dont like the guys style (he is very boring when needing to press the action himself)....but he skilled, and severely underrated.

And Ouma is another fighter that poses severe matchup problems for many fighters. He has a good chin and FANTASTIC STAMINA! He is also a high output fighter, with decent enough speed.

I think both of them can beat Grevor easily.
:good

Spot on. Both beat Grevor EASILLY and Spinks outboxes Abraham over 12 (Abraham would need to get lucky, which I wouldn't favour)... I'd think Abraham would UD Ouma, but NOT knock him out.

Jermain Taylor, despite the closeness of the fights, still has EASILLY the best resume at Middleweight. Add Pavlik, and there's no argument.

[El Bombasto]

This also relates to the 'senior circuit' and the 'circle jerking circuit'.

To start off my friends, I'd like to use Arthur Abraham as my subject matter, who recently KOed Khoren Gevor, a slick and true to form real MW who gave Abraham problems stylistically with his boxing ability. It is fact that Gevor had been stopped in the past, but so had Spinks against Judah.

Arthur Abraham recieves little credit for brutally starching Gevor, but Jermain Taylor recieves credit for 'nearly shutting out Ouma' and then dealing with a tough styles match up in Spinks. Spinks was presented for Jermain Taylor as a quick name and easy smaller man for Taylor to knock out as we know, I in fact scored the fight a draw and the credit should go to Cory Spinks for taking the fight and nearly winning it...

But let's go back to 2006 when Abraham got the lucky win over Miranda. Let's say he cameback against Ouma, who had been having issue's with guys on the level of Rubio, including being hurt and dropped and let's say Abraham KOed Ouma in 2 rounds(very likely honestly).

People would just say 'Ouma should have never been in the ring with a big MW'. However, Jermain the disgrace Taylor lands everything but the kitchen sink and doesn't even drop the little man and Ouma is awarded by default the 'iron chin' award. Fucking terrible by the way.

Next up we have Cory Spinks for the comebacking Abraham, let's say Abraham gets him in 4(very likely). Spinks is just a blown up Welter who had a glass chin at WW and was KOed by Zab Judah. However, to Jermain Taylor apologists, Spinks is a tricky masterful boxer who is able to present issue's to ANY big MW. Is this not what they have been going on about my friends in defence of Taylor?:think

Now let's throw the last angle involved with using Abraham as the medium. Winky comes back down to 160 and gets KOed in round 8(again, likely at this point), Winky's just faded, past it and what not, yet Hopkins and Taylor are riding high on the win and the competitive draw and would continue to do so even when fans discredited Abraham's KO win.

Abraham is not P4P after those 3 wins, of course.:yep

Hell, Abraham's resume at MW right now easily rivals Taylor's on top of it, yet foolish boxing fans do not see this at all, they judge only on the names and not how fights were won and not by where the names are truly at.

I cannot wait until Taylor is officially starched as you all know, but after Pavlik does it, he will be so massively overrated that it will rival some of the sickest hype trains in history, then Pavlik will get destroyed when he moves up in weight against some underrated SMW-LHW and people will act like they knew all along that Pavlik was limited and not set for P4P weight jumping, yet they'd have picked Pavlik to KO the SMW, let's say Lucian Bute.:lol:

If Abraham were sincerely interested in making a credible claim to being the world's top middleweight, he should try having at least one fight outside of Germany.

[sues2nd]

:good

Spot on. Both beat Grevor EASILLY and Spinks outboxes Abraham over 12 (Abraham would need to get lucky, which I wouldn't favour)... I'd think Abraham would UD Ouma, but NOT knock him out.

Jermain Taylor, despite the closeness of the fights, still has EASILLY the best resume at Middleweight. Add Pavlik, and there's no argument.

Agreed. Still cant understand the thought process of people discreditting Taylor. Amsterdam has tried...but I cant see it.

And just to add in....Taylor WHOOPS Abraham.

[unclepaulie]

]Hell, Abraham's resume at MW right now easily rivals Taylor's on top of it, yet foolish boxing fans do not see this at all, they judge only on the names and not how fights were won and not by where the names are truly at. [/i]
If this is true then why dont we examine Abrahams resume. A gift of a win over Miranda, Sebastian Demers, and Khoren Gevor? How does this even come close to rivalling Taylors? Taylor beat the undisputed middleweight champion, and P4P #2 to get his belt. Then he fought a ranked P4P opponent in his first defense.The only fighter who Abraham has fought who was even ranked top ten in his dvision was Miranda. Abraham may be able to beat Taylor, but it is stupd to say he has a resume that is even close to Taylors. But i guess im just a foolish boxing fan huh?

[KO Boxing]

It's this very line of thinking, that puts Jermain Taylor under a huge amount of pressure (I suppose, as required of a middleweight champion?).

Imagine if Taylor was to lose to Pavlik? Everyone who discredited him, would actually feel VINDICATED. :patsch

Of course, if he's absolutely starched. Maybe they're right. But if it's a closeish good fight, no vincidcation from me. If he wins, well...

[kirk]

You think either of them last the distance with a real MW puncher? Both have been severely hurt at lower weight classes, against much smaller men. come on amsterdam... you know that those type of explenations dont always tell the whole story. :nono

Rivara dropped vargas and hurt him early in their fight...
Shane in their first fight couldnt really hurt vargas....

I garuntee you Rivera doesnt hit harder then Hoya (who didnt hurt vargas early) Shane (who didnt hurt vargas early 1st time) ect,



Collazo had Hatton a bit wobbly in the end of their fight....
Zoo couldnt really sting hatton at all despite landing flush on a few occasions

no way collazo punches harder then zoo



ect, ect....

What im trying to say is just because Judah had the speed, accuracy, southpaw stance matched up to go ALONG with his power to LAND that punch on spinks.... doesnt mean that anybody else could do it.

So just because he was hurt at 47 against judah doesnt mean that a MW puncher will do the same thing... im not saying it never works like that, but it doesnt ALWAYS work like that.

Judah had the speed to hurt Spinks, that imo, not many middles are going to have... so their punches arent going to be as effective imo against spinks as judahs with spinks d, reflexes, ect.

but now im rambling... lol... i just wanted to say that i dont think just because spinks was stopped at 47, that it means that when he moves up in weight and faces bigger punches, that it will transition into him being hurt more.... because i think it was a unique situation.

And Roman is no slouch in the power department... how do we know that he doesnt punch as hard as Gevor?

[Pimp C]

Taylor is going to Ghostbust and Exorcize the Ghost of Pavlik, and then, he is off to conquer the Supermiddles. Taylor just might set his sights on Bernard "Driving Miss Daisy" Hopkins once again.
:lol:

[Pimp C]

I can't wait for this fight because Amsterdam will be eating some serious crow. Kelly has one win over an overrated crude slugger and all of a sudden he's the second coming of Hagler...please. Taylor gets up for big fights and he will find Kelly and easy target he will out box him and win by UD.:deal

[semichin]

On top of the fact that I realise that my hatred for Jermain Taylor has gone way too far, the thread is valid. It's likely that if Abraham were matched against those fighters, a definitive with Spinks and Ouma, that the results would be somewhere around that area and in doing so, he'd recieve less credit than Taylor did for giving piss fights, because of Taylor's incompetence at the very elite level at MW, that somehow legitimises Ouma and Spinks to beat Gevor and to trouble Abraham.

Correct?

This is completely valid because Abraham would get little to no credit for doing the scenerio that I stated above. Interesting post, Amsterdam...I wonder who you think would win if Pavlik beat Taylor, the it was Abraham vs PAvlik....what then ? ( Or what IF ? )....from
Semichin= formerly Dr Vooh :hi:

[Amsterdam]

Interesting post, Amsterdam...I wonder who you think would win if Pavlik beat Taylor, the it was Abraham vs PAvlik....what then ? ( Or what IF ? )....from
Semichin= formerly Dr Vooh :hi:

If Pavlik blows out Taylor, who most consider a P4P level fighter, Pavlik would not be considered P4P, but only a guy who exposed one of boxing's current myth's.

Abraham would have to clean out the division completely to be considered P4P, even if he defeated Pavlik with ease, who defeated Taylor in your scenerio here, with Taylor being the P4P guy in the mix.

So basically, they'd all just agree that Taylor wasn't P4P material ever, which is what some of us have said all along.

Welcome back Vooh.

[TroubleLurks]

I can't wait for this fight because Amsterdam will be eating some serious crow. Kelly has one win over an overrated crude slugger and all of a sudden he's the second coming of Hagler...please. Taylor gets up for big fights and he will find Kelly and easy target he will out box him and win by UD.:deal
+1 Pavlik will have his moments but Taylor will win a clear UD.

[Pimp C]

+1 Pavlik will have his moments but Taylor will win a clear UD.
Not to mention Taylor can't lose a decision on an HBO telecast.:yep

[Thor]

I hope Amsterdam and his perfume wearing friends Zakman and El Rey don't go into witness protection when Taylor wins.

[Zakman]

I can't wait for this fight because Amsterdam will be eating some serious crow. Kelly has one win over an overrated crude slugger and all of a sudden he's the second coming of Hagler...please. Taylor gets up for big fights and he will find Kelly and easy target he will out box him and win by UD.:deal

If Taylor gets so "up" for the "big fights," how come the best he can seem to manage to get are highly disputed gift decisions in those fights?:huh

If that's "up," I'd hate to see down.:lol:

[Pimp C]

If Taylor gets so "up" for the "big fights," how come the best he can seem to manage to get are highly disputed gift decisions in those fights?:huh

If that's "up," I'd hate to see down.:lol:
Look at who he was fighting against, two ATGs.:deal Hey i thought he lost the first Hopkins fight and lost to Winky but that still doesn't change the fact that he's better than Kelly and is the more proven fighter now does it?

[Amsterdam]

Look at who he was fighting against, two ATGs.:deal Hey i thought he lost the first Hopkins fight and lost to Winky but that still doesn't change the fact that he's better than Kelly and is the more proven fighter now does it?

Hopkins is an ATG, Winky is not. Winky's best was at 154 to begin with, his MW run has not been impressive, unless you count Trinidad as a natural big MW, I don't and Trinidad was well done to begin with.

Winky is a HOF type fighter, but not an ATG, not at all. Any big, hard hitting and competently skilled MW will defeat Wright at this point, this should have included Taylor.

On top of it, I had him losing all 3 fights, competitive, but still a loss in my book. And just because both are HOF bound fighters does not mean they have the necessary intangibles to trouble a supposed heir to the throne in Taylor, especially with Hopkins being 40+ and Wright coming up from 154.

[psychopath]

Hey Ams_t, prepare the sig you're going to give me . . . if Taylor loses. :yep The sig I'm going to give you is all prepared. :D

Remember buddy . . . that's a six months avatar and sig bet.

Good luck! :hey :good

[Toopretty]

Hopkins is an ATG, Winky is not. Winky's best was at 154 to begin with, his MW run has not been impressive, unless you count Trinidad as a natural big MW, I don't and Trinidad was well done to begin with.

Winky is a HOF type fighter, but not an ATG, not at all. Any big, hard hitting and competently skilled MW will defeat Wright at this point, this should have included Taylor.

On top of it, I had him losing all 3 fights, competitive, but still a loss in my book. And just because both are HOF bound fighters does not mean they have the necessary intangibles to trouble a supposed heir to the throne in Taylor, especially with Hopkins being 40+ and Wright coming up from 154.


Your idiotdom knows no bounds...So...if winky is not an ATG...lol Calzaghe is damned for sure cant even smell ATG..You disrespect one more accomplished fighter that has done more then the cherry picking scared pulling out of fights ass guy in your avatar I will .....just keep posting hate posts...lol:good

[psychopath]

Your idiotdom knows no bounds...So...if winky is not an ATG...lol Calzaghe is damned for sure cant even smell ATG..You disrespect one more accomplished fighter that has done more then the cherry picking scared pulling out of fights ass guy in your avatar I will .....just keep posting hate posts...lol:good

Good one grits . . . :yep :good I just don't understand why these people who call themselves boxing fans can hate so much . . . boxing fans? Or maybe not. :D

[Mrboogie23]

Amsterdam old buddy, your hate knows no bounds when it comes to Taylor does it. I understand your points mate but I dont think Abrahams resume is near Taylors.

You keep reiterating that Spinks and Ouma are overrated, nonetheless these guys are world class former champs. I doubt that Gevor beats Ouma and Spinks easily if at all.

These guys are good fighters. I think Spinks has the ability to frustrate many opponents.

Like I've already stated to you numerous times in all of your threads that discredit Taylor, just because Judah could KO Spinks doesnt mean that Taylor should walk thru him.

They have totally different styles and different things they do well. I hate using cliches but in this case it rings true. Styles make fights. Zab just happened to match well with Spinks, and on top of it, how many rounds did it take for Zab to begin to figure Spinks out. Remember he didnt do well in their first fight until the LATE rounds.

You're a very analytical cat but sometimes I think you're just trying too hard to hate Taylor.

again, brother, its unwarranted.

[brooklyn1550]

Abraham's resume isn't as good as Taylor's.

Let's not underrate Ouma and Spinks and overrate Gevor...all 3 are about on the same level.

[nervousxtian]

Hey Amsterdam, enough of the damn "what-if's"... don't post this stupid as opinion shit like it's some kind of fact.

Truth is we have no damned clue how Abraham would do against those guys, why? Because those fights haven't taken place. Until they do, STFU.

[Amsterdam]

Hey Amsterdam, enough of the damn "what-if's"... don't post this stupid as opinion shit like it's some kind of fact.

Truth is we have no damned clue how Abraham would do against those guys, why? Because those fights haven't taken place. Until they do, STFU.

We have no clue? We may not get the prediction right, but we certainly a 'clue' from easy statistical analysis and video analysis that involves objective comparison.

[ironchamp]

I've always believed that Taylor was rushed into his fight with Bernard Hopkins and became champion prematurely before he fully honed his skills. I think he's doing a good job learning on the fly and trying to get better but his level of competition cannot be questioned.

Hopkins
Hopkins
Wright
Ouma
Spinks
and now Pavlik.

[Amsterdam]

His competition can certainly be put into perspective at least.

[DanePugilist]

Your idiotdom knows no bounds...So...if winky is not an ATG...lol Calzaghe is damned for sure cant even smell ATG..You disrespect one more accomplished fighter that has done more then the cherry picking scared pulling out of fights ass guy in your avatar I will .....just keep posting hate posts...lol:goodI hope you realize how stupid it is, accusing someone of something and then do it yourself.

Please find a mirror before you post again. Thank you.

[nervousxtian]

We have no clue? We may not get the prediction right, but we certainly a 'clue' from easy statistical analysis and video analysis that involves objective comparison.

Actually, you have no clue. The fights have never happened, and never will happen that you are proclaiming so matter-of-factly. The only thing you can go by is what has actually happened.

You like to assume that fights would go down a certain way, when in fact you're basing them on nothing but hatred for one fighter.

[DanePugilist]

Actually, you have no clue. The fights have never happened, and never will happen that you are proclaiming so matter-of-factly. The only thing you can go by is what has actually happened.

You like to assume that fights would go down a certain way, when in fact you're basing them on nothing but hatred for one fighter.Your post is wrong on so many levels.

Since hindsight is a good way of establishing fact, it does give us some clue concerning a fighter. The evidence presented makes it possible to predict the possible outcome of fights - with a small margin of error(as Amsterdam says).

Since you are only hindsighting, I find it contradictive of you to say that the fights will never happen.

Amsterdam may have hatred for Taylor, but since its based on hindsighting on events that has taken place, they are more nuanced that you claim them to be, as explained in his post.

I bet you never listen to the weather-forecasts.

[nervousxtian]

It's highly doubtful that Abraham ever fights Spinks or Ouma. I'd say pretty much zero chance those fights ever get made.

Even worse is saying that if they happened that Abraham would KO them both easily.

Nothing Abraham has done has proved he can take out elite level fighters.

Keep on making shit up though if it makes you feel good, just wish you'd stop posting it on here like it's some kind of fact.

[BITCH ASS]

Amsterdam, you have officially become a HATER.

[Lampley]

Taylor very well may lose to Pavlik, but his resume is bounds better than that of Abraham.

If you want to argue that AA > Taylor, then fine. But if you want to argue the strength of their opposition, me have their records available to us as objective evidence.

And objectively, it's going to be difficult making the argument that Abraham's credentials match those of Taylor. The fact that you need to offer up hypothetical early KO scenarios in favor of Abraham essentially proves my point.

As a matter of record, Taylor clearly is the most proven fighter of the three.

[Amsterdam]

It's highly doubtful that Abraham ever fights Spinks or Ouma. I'd say pretty much zero chance those fights ever get made.

Even worse is saying that if they happened that Abraham would KO them both easily.

Nothing Abraham has done has proved he can take out elite level fighters.

Keep on making shit up though if it makes you feel good, just wish you'd stop posting it on here like it's some kind of fact.

Ah, so Spinks and Ouma are elite MW's?:yep

Abraham seems to be dealing with natural MW's just fine, natural MW's who are on the skill level or better of the smaller LMW's and WW's that Taylor enjoys.

Christ you people amuse me with your material.