As if it's not bad enough that boxing has multiple sanctioning orgs....

[El Bombasto]

....some of them seem to be double slotting their "champions"

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[C Money]

Not quite catcking the meaning from that link, however i assume you're referring to Super, interim, and International champs, to go along with their Champs.


Yes, indeed!! Its one convoluted mess:good

Thats why fighters make the belts. If you got one?? Take a look at and line up the other "titlelists" and then beat THEM. Dont worry about being stripped W's and L's vs the best are what really counts.

I dont need any org, magazine, or body to tell me otherwise.

[El Bombasto]

It may just be a misrepresentation by fightnews, but it looks like the WBA has 3 cruiserweight champs and 2 super middleweight champs; and, the WBC has 2 welterweight champs, the WBO has 2 super featherweight champs and 2 lightweight champs

[C Money]

I don't know why you guys just don't embrace Ring.

They are fair and pretty impartial.

Rankings are good....not perfect but good. In fact rankings are just opinion so there will never be any perfect. Someone will always disagree to some degree.

But other than that Ring's championship policy is clear and that is why when I look at boxing I don't see a mess.

Because I have not paid attention to boxing organization's in almost 8 years now.

I haven't said to myself in so long, "oh this for the titles". Because those b.s. titles don't mean anything to me anymore. Only Ring's belt matters.

Look i respect Ring but they have fuck ups as well on occasion. Additionally? They arent a sanctioning body. The orgs are structure in the sport and name a Ring champ that doesnt have an ORG belt.

Also just like with Lineal, ultimately Org politics affect the matchups, and therefore affect the Vacancies. Right now, ring needs a W Klitschko vs Sam peter rematch to determine the champ. Think the politics dont affect the possibilty???


Boxing needs one commission governing everything uniformly and orgs and ring can still play structure. Until then?? The fighter makes the belt, Ring, zing, ding, DONG:good

[theunderdog]

wow. fnews has been lazy recently. aug 7 as last update?

[C Money]

It may just be a misrepresentation by fightnews, but it looks like the WBA has 3 cruiserweight champs and 2 super middleweight champs; and, the WBC has 2 welterweight champs, the WBO has 2 super featherweight champs and 2 lightweight champs

They're showing what i said, just not explaining.

Here's the WBA cruiser scenario

Mormeck = UNIFIED champion(talk about misrepresentation)

Hill - World Champion

Arslan - Interim champion.



Yeah, its a load of HORSEHSHIT!!!

The WBC with the "international" champs cracks me up as well. A la Pac as international and JMM as 'champ:think

[theunderdog]

with the ring rankings, the only thing i don't agree with recently is that one of their titles was defended at a catch weight. bhop-winky was fought at 170 though the limit was 175. if it was a fight for a title why was the challenger allowed to dictate the weight of the champion? i know the catchweight was needed to make the fight but the thing is, it should not have been at a catch weight is if was for the title

when rjj challenged ruiz for the title, he did not do it in a catchweight therefore it was a legit championship fight IMO (i know ruiz was not really a great champ but that's a whole new discussion), now if rjj challenged ruiz for the hw title and demanded that ruiz weighed at 205 lbs as oppose to where ruiz is comfortable in, the fight never would have happend at all

[4Rounder]

with the ring rankings, the only thing i don't agree with recently is that one of their titles was defended at a catch weight. bhop-winky was fought at 170 though the limit was 175. if it was a fight for a title why was the challenger allowed to dictate the weight of the champion? i know the catchweight was needed to make the fight but the thing is, it should not have been at a catch weight is if was for the title

when rjj challenged ruiz for the title, he did not do it in a catchweight therefore it was a legit championship fight IMO (i know ruiz was not really a great champ but that's a whole new discussion), now if rjj challenged ruiz for the hw title and demanded that ruiz weighed at 205 lbs as oppose to where ruiz is comfortable in, the fight never would have happend at all

It should not really matter that a fight is at a catchweight. The Light Heavyweight division is between 169 lbs and 175 lbs, anything between those weights its a legit LHW bout. If B-Hops agrees to that 170 weight then its up to him, its still a LHW bout non the less.

[C Money]

with the ring rankings, the only thing i don't agree with recently is that one of their titles was defended at a catch weight. bhop-winky was fought at 170 though the limit was 175. if it was a fight for a title why was the challenger allowed to dictate the weight of the champion? i know the catchweight was needed to make the fight but the thing is, it should not have been at a catch weight is if was for the title

when rjj challenged ruiz for the title, he did not do it in a catchweight therefore it was a legit championship fight IMO (i know ruiz was not really a great champ but that's a whole new discussion), now if rjj challenged ruiz for the hw title and demanded that ruiz weighed at 205 lbs as oppose to where ruiz is comfortable in, the fight never would have happend at all

Ruiz was never THE CHAMP:nono he was a titlelist, nothing more!! lennox Lewis had UNIFIED and therefore was the CHAMP. Jones never fought him and therefore wasnt Champ.

[thewoo]

with the ring rankings, the only thing i don't agree with recently is that one of their titles was defended at a catch weight. bhop-winky was fought at 170 though the limit was 175. if it was a fight for a title why was the challenger allowed to dictate the weight of the champion? i know the catchweight was needed to make the fight but the thing is, it should not have been at a catch weight is if was for the title

when rjj challenged ruiz for the title, he did not do it in a catchweight therefore it was a legit championship fight IMO (i know ruiz was not really a great champ but that's a whole new discussion), now if rjj challenged ruiz for the hw title and demanded that ruiz weighed at 205 lbs as oppose to where ruiz is comfortable in, the fight never would have happend at all

I don't see a problem with a title being fought at a catchweight as long as that weight is lower than the limit for that weight class and higher than the limit for the one below it. To me the weight is a limit not a minimum requirment so a guy that weighs 168.5 is a light heavyweight

[theunderdog]

ruiz was an abc champ. take it for what it's worth. i never claimed he was the man at HW that's why i said it should be another discussion. i merely stated them an example bud

[achillesthegreat]

Fans, promoters etc need to find a way to freeze some of these abcs out.

[theunderdog]

It should not really matter that a fight is at a catchweight. The Light Heavyweight division is between 169 lbs and 175 lbs, anything between those weights its a legit LHW bout. If B-Hops agrees to that 170 weight then its up to him, its still a LHW bout non the less.

that's the sad part. b-hop agreed to fight at 170 though he could have weighed 175. he should have thought, if winky wants to weigh at 170, go ahead but it's his title and according to the rules he could weigh up to 175 and so he should. but then again money changes everything. that's why i dont agree with that Ring championship because there was a compromise and because money changed a lot of things

[theunderdog]

I don't see a problem with a title being fought at a catchweight as long as that weight is lower than the limit for that weight class and higher than the limit for the one below it. To me the weight is a limit not a minimum requirment so a guy that weighs 168.5 is a light heavyweight

i get your point bud, but the way i look at it, if you want to challenge a champ for a title, do so without asking him to go down in weight for you. if winky was more comfortable at 170, then fine, he could fight at 170 but he should have allowed bhop to weigh at 175 because the rules allow it. as you've said 168.5 - 175 lbs is the range, then why was bhop forced to weigh at 170? it was his championship but as i said, money changed things.

if jean marc mormeck challenged wlad for the HW Title and asked him to fight at 201 lbs, would you have taken it seriously? if jmm beat wlad, would you look at him as the real HW champ even though Wlad was not allowed to fight his natural weight?

[Vantage_West]

Not quite catcking the meaning from that link, however i assume you're referring to Super, interim, and International champs, to go along with their Champs.


Yes, indeed!! Its one convoluted mess:good

Thats why fighters make the belts. If you got one?? Take a look at and line up the other "titlelists" and then beat THEM. Dont worry about being stripped W's and L's vs the best are what really counts.

I dont need any org, magazine, or body to tell me otherwise.bernard hopkins ,joel casamayor,ricky hatton

[Vantage_West]

I don't see a problem with a title being fought at a catchweight as long as that weight is lower than the limit for that weight class and higher than the limit for the one below it. To me the weight is a limit not a minimum requirment so a guy that weighs 168.5 is a light heavyweight:good i like that really good choice of decision especialy cruiser you can fight at 176 to be a cruiser.:huh and jones was fighting at 180 against ruiz

in da olden dayz if you were a light heavywieght and wanted to fight for the heavywieght title you could fight at light heavy at 175/174 and it wouldnt matter