Enzo Calzaghe speaks on Enzo, Cleverly and shutting the Newbridge Gym.....

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Found it interesting.......

[Bodysnatcher]

I didn't realise Cleverley had slagged off Enzo C and the gym, bit surprised.

Mind you, as with Enzo Mac, once Frank ****** set himself against the Calzaghes, there was only one way to go to move your career forward, and that's with Frank ******.

[dan-b]

I do find Maccarinelli's excuses a touch rum. He lost because, in my opinion, he was never that good to begin with. He over achieved with Enzo C and I don't really see him improving vastly under a different trainer.

[GazOC]

I agree Dan, Enzo has done very well with what he's got. I can't see any significant improvements coming from him.

[dan-b]

I know I've had a few things to say about the Calzaghes over the years but I hope they do stick around. They definitely offer something to boxing and it would be a shame to lose them entirely.

[GazOC]

Enzos rant at the Jones Jnr presser was class.."Change? Change? Ain't gonna be no fucking change"

[GazOC]

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[DOM5153]

enzo is a good trainer i have no doubt in my mind

[Rangersfan1982]

You have to laugh at Maccarinelli's criticism. He lost because he was a shit boxer.

[FLINT ISLAND]

You have to laugh at Maccarinelli's criticism. He lost because he was a shit boxer.


It dont explain how he was so exhausted though at the end.

He is usually fit as a flea.

[brown bomber]

You have to laugh at Maccarinelli's criticism. He lost because he was a shit boxer.Not really shit though is he? :think

[brown bomber]

It dont explain how he was so exhausted though at the end.

He is usually fit as a flea.I'd be tempted to blame that on the lack of sparring, as with the falling in after throwing punches and lack of confidence behind his jab etc.

[DamonD]

He was also putting a lot of effort into his punches, he was determined to get a knockout, and pushing for it that hard is more tiring as well.

[faisal]

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[MIK1000]

People go to the extreme when writing him off as a trainer. You do not produce three world class boxers from childhood without being a good trainer.

[faisal]

People go to the extreme when writing him off as a trainer. You do not produce three world class boxers from childhood without being a good trainer.
other then joe who were the other 2? gavin rees and macrenelli:rofl

[Dan684]

other then joe who were the other 2? gavin rees and macrenelli:rofl

:rofl:rofl:rofl

[PrideOfWales]

As David Haye once put it....

"Mr Bean could have train Joe Calzaghe and he still would have been a world champion"

[Abertawe]

As David Haye once put it....

"Mr Bean could have train Joe Calzaghe and he still would have been a world champion"
Fact :yep

[brown bomber]

He believed his own hype, was not a great trainer just very fortunate but i'd say he is as good as many other trainers currently operating in the UK.

[China_hand_Joe]

World champion in the making...

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Enzo is definitely amongst the top 3 trainers we have here.

[brown bomber]

Enzo is definitely amongst the top 3 trainers we have here.

Which of the following is Enzo Calzaghe more knowledgable then?

Oliver Harrison
Robert McCraken
Richie Woodhall
Anthony Farnell
John and Dominic Ingle
Billy Nelson
Brian Hughes
Chris Aston
Billy Graham
David Cowdwell
Joe Gallagher

These are just guys local to me; i'm not too up on the London trainers but I know there are plenty of good ones.

I can answer it for you if you want CHJ? Being in the fortunate position of training international class amateurs to fight journeyman doesn't make you a world class trainer.

His tactical short comings were cruely exposed when Gary Lockett was so badly outclassed by an american club fighter who got lucky- Lockett could have won that fight if geared correctly. Enzo M was lawnmowed by david Haye. Pryce trading with Mathew Hall, Enzo losing to alowabi.

Enzo was winning the Swaby fight until he got caught and i'd suggest that the defeat and sparring with Joe Calzaghe brought him on more then anything else.

Calzaghe was a great fighter but watch his amateur fights and he was pretty much identical to his older pro version. Enzo wasn't responsible for training him it was someone else (gaz s can advise) and i'm pretty sure he didn't train Rees or Pryce from childhood, they only came to him when they turned pro.

Enzo looks to be very good at motivating guys to get fit but little else. With Rees, Pryce and Enzo M all sporting less then adonis physiques i'm tempted to suggest that its actually more their natural talent then any magic ingrediants that Enzo has added that has led to their success.

[JOSEY WALES]

Enzo calzaghe made the best of what he had ,in the case of his boy he was always going to be world class , Fine , if he trained also rans to world titles well that speaks volumes to me , whats not to like about him ? he loves boxing and is funny as fuck . Stop knocking the wee fella FFS the Enzo Calzaghe's of British boxing keep us in with a shout on the world wide scene , you can bet your ass there is a kid somewhere from abercomefuck busting his gut training to catch his eye hoping he will train him one day to world class level .and who's to say he won't ?

[FLINT ISLAND]

I think Camp Calzaghe are a bunch of amateurs

Just their attitudte towards things

Gavin Rees - will go on the piss - rather than train

Enzo Calzaghe dosent even allow skipping in his gym

He is a decent trainer - but I just feel the whole camp were amaterish

For example

for the David Haye fight

Enzo was doing light sparring with - Gavin Rees and Bradley Price

Then he just gets thrown in with someone a big and powerful and good as Haye

they couldnt even hire some tough heavyweight from London or something to give him a few weeks sparring

They though pads and the bag and running up steps was enough

And pitty patter sparring with the little guys

Meanwhile Haye was sparring all these tough heavyweights out in Miami

Enzo didnt even have sparring for Ola Alfobai fight

Amaterish

[JOSEY WALES]

Fint , Macca has swithed trainers now and is feeling better about things , So has Kerry Hope .

[FLINT ISLAND]

what sparring will Enzo be having under his new training camp?

[JOSEY WALES]

what sparring will Enzo be having under his new training camp?

Who knows Flint but i heared he is up Manchester way with a new trainer and he is going back to basics , Charlie Pearson and Macca did well for a time then he went to Enzo Cal , Was Macca just drafted in to spar with Joe ? Did Old Enzo reall have plans for Macca ? Who the fuck knows one thing is for sure Macca's next fight will determine the rest of his career , Win and he can become a major player in the cruiser division despite what the hates say , lose then thats his fucking arse at the top draw level , say what you like about Macca but he is 100 % above the cunts on this site who relish in his recent bad form .

[Gaz S]

Fint , Macca has swithed trainers now and is feeling better about things , So has Kerry Hope .


I didn't realize Kerry Hope had left the Calzaghe camp too, perhaps that's related to the reason why he didn't box on the Newport show last week (he was scheduled to).

Not much left in the Calzaghe gym now then - Pryce and Rees (neither of whom I can see achieving anymore than what they already have), James Todd, Hari Miles (who I can't see going too far, the way he carries his southpaw right hand he's a knock-out waiting to happen) and I'm not sure if Tony Docherty is still with Calzaghe, as I haven't seen or heard anything of him in a while.

[FLINT ISLAND]

He has to win

Its the only opition.

I dont think Enzo wants to be a british level journeyman

not when he has tasted fighting for world titles and fighting on huge shows like the Millienium Stadium in Cardiff and being the main event at the O2 arena London.

He has fought for WBO and WBA and WBC World Crusierweight titles

He wants to get back to the top of the sport again

[FLINT ISLAND]

I think Joes retirement knocked the heart out of the gym

He was their role model

And training alongside him gave them great motivation

and the chance for the likes of Enzo to be chief support at his big fights

Now he has gone - their hearts have gone from the gym

[China_hand_Joe]

Which of the following is Enzo Calzaghe more knowledgable then?

Oliver Harrison
Robert McCraken
Richie Woodhall
Anthony Farnell
John and Dominic Ingle
Billy Nelson
Brian Hughes
Chris Aston
Billy Graham
David Cowdwell
Joe Gallagher

These are just guys local to me; i'm not too up on the London trainers but I know there are plenty of good ones.

I can answer it for you if you want CHJ? Being in the fortunate position of training international class amateurs to fight journeyman doesn't make you a world class trainer.

His tactical short comings were cruely exposed when Gary Lockett was so badly outclassed by an american club fighter who got lucky- Lockett could have won that fight if geared correctly. Enzo M was lawnmowed by david Haye. Pryce trading with Mathew Hall, Enzo losing to alowabi.

Enzo was winning the Swaby fight until he got caught and i'd suggest that the defeat and sparring with Joe Calzaghe brought him on more then anything else.

Calzaghe was a great fighter but watch his amateur fights and he was pretty much identical to his older pro version. Enzo wasn't responsible for training him it was someone else (gaz s can advise) and i'm pretty sure he didn't train Rees or Pryce from childhood, they only came to him when they turned pro.

Enzo looks to be very good at motivating guys to get fit but little else. With Rees, Pryce and Enzo M all sporting less then adonis physiques i'm tempted to suggest that its actually more their natural talent then any magic ingrediants that Enzo has added that has led to their success.

Ingle is a level above Calzaghe and anyone else in the UK in my opinion. I still give the edge to Calzaghe over the likes of McCracken and Graham, despite the fact Frank ****** can take credit for most of Enzo's fighters achievements.

His greatest asset is his ability to motivate and get fighters into shape as you have said. That combined with competent strategy makes him second best of a bad bunch for me.

It says it all about our trainers in the pro-ranks when Frank ****** let his cash-cow, Amir Khan be trained by someone unproven like Harrison.

[brown bomber]

Harrison unproven? CHJ no bones with you pal but that is a shocking statement.

[China_hand_Joe]

He hasn't got a record of creating world class fighters unless I am forgetting a fighter.

****** would at least have wanted Khan to appear world class.

[brown bomber]

Harrison took Jamie Moore from an domestic amateur to world class against proven opposition, he is also one of the longest holders of a trainers licence in the sport and probably the best padman in the UK.

[Gaz S]

I still give the edge to Calzaghe over the likes of McCracken and Graham, despite the fact Frank ****** can take credit for most of Enzo's fighters achievements.

I strongly have to disagree on that one mate (except the Frank ****** bit). In my opinion I think McCracken is a top notch trainer.

I don't want to get all negative on Enzo Calzaghe for the sake of it, but in my opinion he's not much more than a glorified cheerleader/drill sergeant. Yes he gets his boys physically fit, and he shouts a lot... swears a bit... and shouts some more, but I don't really rate him as a particularly good trainer technically or as a specific tactician.
The most recent case in point was the Maccarinelli-Afolabi bout. It was obvious Enzo (M) needed to calm down, step back and pick his punches more, yet in the corner Enzo (C) just screamed and fired him up even more, encouraging him to carry on going in there all guns blazing.

Joe Calzaghe made Enzo Calzaghe, simple as. Pryce and Rees aren't all that good and have benefitted from great engineering on the part of Sports Network.
Bradley Pryce has lost against every half decent fighter he's fought (Hall, Jennings, Sinclair, Bami, Olusegun, McDonagh) with Anthony Small being the exception.
Rees has only ever beaten an unmotivated and disinterested M'Baye and will never come close to a world title again (even though he didn't deserve the shot in the first place - how you go from the likes of fighting Chill John and Billy Smith straight to a world title only Frank ****** will ever know).
Maccarinelli has only really looked decent in one fight (Braithwaite) considering the type of opponents he's had, and I felt he lost the first Hobson fight.
In my opinion Nathan Cleverly has looked better than he ever has lately and is making good improvements, coincidentally after he left Calzaghe.


Enzo Calzaghe is what he is, and I'm not bothered if people hail him as Trainer Of The Year or whatever, that's their opinion and we're all entitled to them. However in my own opinion a lot of his success has come off the back of having a naturally talented son and the Sports Network machine throwing it's weight around to benefit his other boxers.
In my opinion, in terms of boxing knowledge etc, Mr. C doesn't touch the likes of McCracken.

I know Robert hasn't been in the training game all that long, I think in a few years time and given some decent talent to work with, he's going to emerge as a top class trainer and one of the best in Europe.

[Gaz S]

Oh, and I thought Ryan Rhodes just edged it against Lockett too.

I would like to make clear though that I do appreciate what contributions Team Calzaghe has made to British boxing, especially in Wales, and I sincerely hope he doesn't shut his gym down. I'm just expressing my views that I don't rate him as highly as many seem to do.

[JOSEY WALES]

I strongly have to disagree on that one mate (except the Frank ****** bit). In my opinion I think McCracken is a top notch trainer.

I don't want to get all negative on Enzo Calzaghe for the sake of it, but in my opinion he's not much more than a glorified cheerleader/drill sergeant. Yes he gets his boys physically fit, and he shouts a lot... swears a bit... and shouts some more, but I don't really rate him as a particularly good trainer technically or as a specific tactician.
The most recent case in point was the Maccarinelli-Afolabi bout. It was obvious Enzo (M) needed to calm down, step back and pick his punches more, yet in the corner Enzo (C) just screamed and fired him up even more, encouraging him to carry on going in there all guns blazing.

Joe Calzaghe made Enzo Calzaghe, simple as. Pryce and Rees aren't all that good and have benefitted from great engineering on the part of Sports Network.
Bradley Pryce has lost against every half decent fighter he's fought (Hall, Jennings, Sinclair, Bami, Olusegun, McDonagh) with Anthony Small being the exception.
Rees has only ever beaten an unmotivated and disinterested M'Baye and will never come close to a world title again (even though he didn't deserve the shot in the first place - how you go from the likes of fighting Chill John and Billy Smith straight to a world title only Frank ****** will ever know).
Maccarinelli has only really looked decent in one fight (Braithwaite) considering the type of opponents he's had, and I felt he lost the first Hobson fight.
In my opinion Nathan Cleverly has looked better than he ever has lately and is making good improvements, coincidentally after he left Calzaghe.


Enzo Calzaghe is what he is, and I'm not bothered if people hail him as Trainer Of The Year or whatever, that's their opinion and we're all entitled to them. However in my own opinion a lot of his success has come off the back of having a naturally talented son and the Sports Network machine throwing it's weight around to benefit his other boxers.
In my opinion, in terms of boxing knowledge etc, Mr. C doesn't touch the likes of McCracken.

I know Robert hasn't been in the training game all that long, I think in a few years time and given some decent talent to work with, he's going to emerge as a top class trainer and one of the best in Europe.

Hey Gaz You speak lot of sense as ever but you gotta realise British Boxing needs local men like old Enzo to dedicate themselves to teaching the young , how many make time out for them ? i know i don't have the time in my life where as you do , whatever the standard they train these kids up to they deserve credit imo sure Robert Mc has the advantage over the likes of old Enzo as he actaully laced them up as a pro but who's to say Joe won't do the same with a sprinkle of knowledge of where his old man went wong on occasions ? . p.s how are the lads doing down Vicky park ?

[JOSEY WALES]

Oh, and I thought Ryan Rhodes just edged it against Lockett too.

I would like to make clear though that I do appreciate what contributions Team Calzaghe has made to British boxing, especially in Wales, and I sincerely hope he doesn't shut his gym down. I'm just expressing my views that I don't rate him as highly as many seem to do.


I didn't see this second post Gaz before i posted mine :oops:

[Gaz S]

Hey Gaz You speak lot of sense as ever but you gotta realise British Boxing needs local men like old Enzo to dedicate themselves to teaching the young , how many make time out for them ? i know i don't have the time in my life where as you do , whatever the standard they train these kids up to they deserve credit imo sure Robert Mc has the advantage over the likes of old Enzo as he actaully laced them up as a pro but who's to say Joe won't do the same with a sprinkle of knowledge of where his old man went wong on occasions ? . p.s how are the lads doing down Vicky park ?

Hi Josey, how you doing mate? Long time no "type".
:D
Absolutely, I agree. I'm not against Enzo (see my very last post) and I respect what he's done, but only to that specific extent. I'm just saying I don't think he's the world's greatest trainer or even the best in the UK. I'm by no means knocking his efforts or his dedication, just giving my perspective on how I rate his actual ability.

As for the Vic Park, I'm no longer there, left a couple of months ago. Wasn't exactly seeing eye to eye with the head coach and thought it wise to move on before tensions arose (as it's the boxers who suffer). However, it's not all lost.
Just got my pro licence and have a young Cardiff protegé turning over to the pro game, so watch this space.... :good

[JOSEY WALES]

Hi Josey, how you doing mate? Long time no "type".
:D
Absolutely, I agree. I'm not against Enzo (see my very last post) and I respect what he's done, but only to that specific extent. I'm just saying I don't think he's the world's greatest trainer or even the best in the UK. I'm by no means knocking his efforts or his dedication, just giving my perspective on how I rate his actual ability.

As for the Vic Park, I'm no longer there, left a couple of months ago. Wasn't exactly seeing eye to eye with the head coach and thought it wise to move on before tensions arose (as it's the boxers who suffer). However, it's not all lost.
Just got my pro licence and have a young Cardiff protegé turning over to the pro game, so watch this space.... :good

lol Fair go Gaz what happened to that Asian Kid over Newport way ? he was going great guns in the Am's but has fallen off the S/Wales Radar so to speak .

[Gaz S]

You mean Mo Nasir? I don't know what's happening with him. I saw him at the Sanigar show in Newport last week, but he was just a spectator, don't know what's happening with him career-wise.
I think he turned pro around about the same time as Tobias Webb, but I'm not sure if he's had any bouts yet, as I've not heard anything. He's probably hard to match as there aren't many around in the smaller weights in this country (not sure what weight he's doing as a pro but he was doing flyweight in the ams).
Kyle King has just turned pro at fly (he was the one who came in too heavy against Paul Lowe, Britain's smallest boxer a few weeks back), so I guess there's a natural match up to be made there down the line.


Was on a training course with your buddy Eddie Avoth last week, he's training Jamie Arthur now. As much as I like Eddie though, I don't fancy Arthur's chances against Akaash Bhattia at the end of this month. What do you reckon?

[JOSEY WALES]

You mean Mo Nasir? I don't know what's happening with him. I saw him at the Sanigar show in Newport last week, but he was just a spectator, don't know what's happening with him career-wise.
I think he turned pro around about the same time as Tobias Webb, but I'm not sure if he's had any bouts yet, as I've not heard anything. He's probably hard to match as there aren't many around in the smaller weights in this country (not sure what weight he's doing as a pro but he was doing flyweight in the ams).
Kyle King has just turned pro at fly (he was the one who came in too heavy against Paul Lowe, Britain's smallest boxer a few weeks back), so I guess there's a natural match up to be made there down the line.


Was on a training course with your buddy Eddie Avoth last week, he's training Jamie Arthur now. As much as I like Eddie though, I don't fancy Arthur's chances against Akaash Bhattia at the end of this month. What do you reckon?

In all honesty i aint see this Bhattia fight Gaz , i read about him but thats all , Eddie is a decent fella and hard as mate he must be in his late 50's now , i could tell a story about him , me and an arse kicking he saved me from back in the day outside Nero's but wont lol

[Gaz S]

In all honesty i aint see this Bhattia fight Gaz , i read about him but thats all , Eddie is a decent fella and hard as mate he must be in his late 50's now , i could tell a story about him , me and an arse kicking he saved me from back in the day outside Nero's but wont lol

Bhatia is a very tasty prospect indeed. Not much of a banger but slick, though he's yet to be tested. As nice it would be for Welsh boxing if Jamie won (it's a British title eliminator), I just don't see him beating 'Kash The Bash'. Should be an entertaining fight though, it's on the undercard of Jason Booth-Rocky Dean in a couple of weeks time.

Eddie's actually somwhere in his mid 60's I think. I think there's plenty of stories about Eddie that could be told, though many are probably better left unsaid :lol: .

[JOSEY WALES]

Bhatia is a very tasty prospect indeed. Not much of a banger but slick, though he's yet to be tested. As nice it would be for Welsh boxing if Jamie won (it's a British title eliminator), I just don't see him beating 'Kash The Bash'. Should be an entertaining fight though, it's on the undercard of Jason Booth-Rocky Dean in a couple of weeks time.

Eddie's actually somwhere in his mid 60's I think. I think there's plenty of stories about Eddie that could be told, though many are probably better left unsaid :lol: .

lol last i heard of Eddie he was about on take on a World tour ( cardiff and local estates ) with Kevin Hayde and Piper in a show billed " Meet the boxers" i passed the ticket over :good

[China_hand_Joe]

I strongly have to disagree on that one mate (except the Frank ****** bit). In my opinion I think McCracken is a top notch trainer.

I don't want to get all negative on Enzo Calzaghe for the sake of it, but in my opinion he's not much more than a glorified cheerleader/drill sergeant. Yes he gets his boys physically fit, and he shouts a lot... swears a bit... and shouts some more, but I don't really rate him as a particularly good trainer technically or as a specific tactician.
The most recent case in point was the Maccarinelli-Afolabi bout. It was obvious Enzo (M) needed to calm down, step back and pick his punches more, yet in the corner Enzo (C) just screamed and fired him up even more, encouraging him to carry on going in there all guns blazing.

Joe Calzaghe made Enzo Calzaghe, simple as. Pryce and Rees aren't all that good and have benefitted from great engineering on the part of Sports Network.
Bradley Pryce has lost against every half decent fighter he's fought (Hall, Jennings, Sinclair, Bami, Olusegun, McDonagh) with Anthony Small being the exception.
Rees has only ever beaten an unmotivated and disinterested M'Baye and will never come close to a world title again (even though he didn't deserve the shot in the first place - how you go from the likes of fighting Chill John and Billy Smith straight to a world title only Frank ****** will ever know).
Maccarinelli has only really looked decent in one fight (Braithwaite) considering the type of opponents he's had, and I felt he lost the first Hobson fight.
In my opinion Nathan Cleverly has looked better than he ever has lately and is making good improvements, coincidentally after he left Calzaghe.


Enzo Calzaghe is what he is, and I'm not bothered if people hail him as Trainer Of The Year or whatever, that's their opinion and we're all entitled to them. However in my own opinion a lot of his success has come off the back of having a naturally talented son and the Sports Network machine throwing it's weight around to benefit his other boxers.
In my opinion, in terms of boxing knowledge etc, Mr. C doesn't touch the likes of McCracken.

I know Robert hasn't been in the training game all that long, I think in a few years time and given some decent talent to work with, he's going to emerge as a top class trainer and one of the best in Europe.

I/you have changed my mind and I agree entirely.

[toffeejack]

I think people have gone from one extreme to the other regarding Enzo Calzaghe.

I don't think he was ever the world's best trainer when he was getting all the plaudits and was probably overrated because of Joe and he's not the worst trainer now.

He's obviously not shit. He has done excellent jobs in the past with Gavin Rees and Bradley Price and he deserves big respect to get where he's at without no previous boxing knowledge whatsoever. Sometimes I think people forget this part.

He's a very good trainer is Enzo. Nothing more. Nothing less. In my opinion.