The Top fighters Of.....

[GPater11093]

Each Decade at every weight

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Heavyweight

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Super Flyweight

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Light Flyweight

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Minimumweight

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[Robbi]

You're a very demanding man aint you. :lol:

[GPater11093]

yep

just like to see peoples thought

obviously you dont hasve to do all of them

[Dempsey1238]

Heavyweight

1880: Had to add, John L Sullivan
1890: Corbett or Peter Jackson
1900: Jim Jeffries
1910: Jack Johnson
1920: Jack Dempsey
1930: Who the hell knows lol. Bettween Louis and Schemling, since each rule for 2 years in that decade lol.
1940: Joe Louis
1950: Rocky Marciano.
1960: Ali
1970: Ali
1980: Larry Holmes or Tyson
1990: Holyfiled/Lewis
2000: Lewis

Cruiserweight:

1980: Holyfiled, after that no one relly rule the divsion.
1990:
2000:

Light Heavyweight

1900: Bob Fitz
1910: Jack Dillon
1920: George Carpentier, Tommy Loughran and Jack Delaney
1930: Rosenbloom and Lewis
1940: Gus Lesnevich
1950: Archie Moore
1960: Torres, Johnson, Tiger or Willie Pastrano
1970: Bob Foster
1980: M Spinks
1990: DM, Hill or Jones, all confusion lol.
2000:, mmmmm

Super Middleweight

1980:
1990:
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Middleweight:

1880: Jack Dempsey
1890: Fitz
1900: Ketchel
1910: Klaus, Chip or McCoy.
1920: Harry Greb
1930: Walker, or perhaps Apostoli, just got footage on him, he is amazing.
1940: Zale
1950: Robinson
1960: Dick Tiger
1970: Monzon
1980: Hagler
1990: James Toney
2000: I say Hopkins

Light Middleweight

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Welterweight

1890: Billy Smith
1900: Joe Walcott
1910: Ted Kid Lewis or Jack Britton, thsos 2 are great. Perhaps Lewis because he did win there series if I recall.
1920: Micky Walker
1930: Barney Ross
1940: Robinson
1950: Galvian, or Basilio. Basilio was robbed when it counted lol.
1960: Griffith
1970: Napoles
1980: Leonard? Duran???
1990: Whitaker
2000: Good luck, no one relly control this one. Mosely to Forrest to Mayorga, to Spinks in a few years time. Thats almost as bad as the 30's heavyweights.

Light Welterweight

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(1950s the LWW title was not competed for till 1959)
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Super Bantamweight

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Super Flyweight

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Minimumweight

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[GPater11093]

cheers dempsey

good stuff but that 30s HW is a bitch theres not one solid fighter who stands out

[the cobra]

I'll do this one

Minimumweight

1990: Ricardo Lopez
2000: Ivan Calderon

[GPater11093]

thats an easy one

[Dempsey1238]

guess I better start on the welterweights, the best divison imo.

[GPater11093]

just work away throuhg it i might put my one up

[Sweet Pea]

Wow Dempsey, that's probably the first time I've ever seen Gus Lesnevich rated above Ezzard Charles.

[Dempsey1238]

Wow Dempsey, that's probably the first time I've ever seen Gus Lesnevich rated above Ezzard Charles.

Perhaps Charles would have beating him. But Gus had such a long rein, and relly beat some amazing fighters, I could not leave him off a 1940's list.

Relly underated. Charles is over on pound for pound, but I think Gus control the era to be call the man in the 40'.

[Sweet Pea]

Perhaps Charles would have beating him. But Gus had such a long rein, and relly beat some amazing fighters, I could not leave him off a 1940's list.

Relly underated. Charles is over on pound for pound, but I think Gus control the era to be call the man in the 40'.

:?

I thought you'd just forgotten him. You mean to tell me you actually rate Lesnevich above Charles at LHW? You do realize that can't be justified under any circumstances, right? Not only did Charles beat him, but so did just about every other elite fighter he faced, save for a few. Bivins, Mills, Maxim, Conn, Corbett III, Steele; pretty much all of the best fighters he fought beat him, whereas Charles stacked up one of the most impressive resumes that have ever been achieved, beating not only Gus and a few of his foils like Maxim and Bivins, but greats like Archie Moore and Lloyd Marshall as well.

Charles is light-years ahead of Lesnevich at LHW. C'mon now.

[DINAMITA]

I'll do this one

Minimumweight

1990: Ricardo Lopez
2000: Ivan Calderon

Here's my contribution:

Super-Middleweight

1980: Can't pick one. The division was not in existence for the whole decade and I don't think there was one outstanding figurehead for the period.
1990: Roy Jones
2000: Joe Calzaghe

[Dempsey1238]

But Gus was past his best when a young Charle beat him. This was not prime Gus.

He also beat some of the best elite like Bettina, Freddie Mills, Olin, Brouillard, and a few others.

Saying Charles beat him is like saying Marciano beat Louis.

[Sweet Pea]

But Gus was past his best when a young Charle beat him. This was not prime Gus.

He also beat some of the best elite like Bettina, Freddie Mills, Olin, Brouillard, and a few others.

Saying Charles beat him is like saying Marciano beat Louis.

Throw that win out altogether then. Charles was still the vastly superior LHW, in every way.

[the cobra]

Originally posted by DINAMITA
Here's my contribution:

Super-Middleweight

1980: Can't pick one. The division was not in existence for the whole decade and I don't think there was one outstanding figurehead for the period.
1990: Roy Jones
2000: Joe Calzaghe
Fortunately for everyone here, we're willing to take the difficult tasks.

[Dempsey1238]

In Style, Charles look better, but Gus had to be doing something right to rein for 8 years.

At first I thought about Conn, than I though nahh, he jump up into heavyweight, and didnt control the divsion when he gave up the crown to fight Louis in 41.

Gus step up and rule the 40's. Charles was mostly going to Middleweight, to Lightheavyweight to at last Heavyweight. Dont think he stay there long to be the force in lightheavyweight imo. sure he beat Bivins, and Moore, and others. But Most like Burley was in the middleweights.

Lightheayweight soley, I think Gus's 8 years on top should out weight Charles rise and decend to the heavyweights.

[GPater11093]

Heavyweight

1880: Sullivan
1890: Corbett
1900: Johnson
1910: Johnson
1920: Dempsey
1930: Louis (due to his amount of defences in 3 years: 8)
1940: Louis
1950: Marciano
1960: Ali
1970: Ali
1980: Holmes
1990: Lewis
2000: W. Klitschko

Cruiserweight:

1980: Holyfield
1990: Wamba or J.C Gomez
2000: Haye

Light Heavyweight

1900: O' Brien
1910: Dillon
1920: Loughran
1930: J-H Lewis
1940: Charles
1950: Moore
1960: Torres
1970: Foster
1980: Spinks
1990: Jones or Michaelweski had similar level of opposition but DM was linear champ so ill favour him but Jones was better)
2000: Dawson

Super Middleweight

1980: C-K Park
1990: Benn
2000: Calzaghe

Middleweight:

1880: Dempsey
1890: Fitzsimmons
1900: Ketchell
1910: O' Dowd
1920: Greb
1930: Steele
1940: Zale
1950: Robinson
1960: Tiger
1970: Monzon
1980: Hagler
1990: Hopkins
2000: Hopkins

Light Middleweight

1960: Mazzinghi
1970: Wajima
1980: McCallum (close with Hearns)
1990: Norris
2000: Wright

Welterweight

1890: Smith
1900: Walcott
1910: Britton
1920: Walker
1930: Armstrong (close with Ross but a win over Ross and amount of defences shade it)
1940: Robinson
1950: Gavilan
1960: Griffith and Rodriguez (cant split them)
1970: Napoles
1980: Don Curry (shades leonard by longer reign)
1990: Whittaker
2000: Cotto (just shades it over the rest)

Light Welterweight

1920: Callaghan
1930: Ross (just shades Canzoneri beause of his win over him)
1940: Weekly
(1950s the LWW title was not competed for till 1959)
1960: Loi
1970: Cervantez
1980: Pryor
1990: Chavez
2000: Tszyu

Lightweight

1890: Lavigne
1900: Gans
1910: Woldgast (just shades Welsh with numbe of defences and length of reign)
1920: Leonard
1930: Canzoneri (shades it through title reign and defences although he lost to Ross and Ambers he was more dominant)
1940: Williams
1950: Brown
1960: Ortiz
1970: Duran
1980: Arguello
1990: Whittaker
2000: Casamoyer

Super Featherweight

1920: Morgan
1930: Kid chocolate
1940: Saddler (inactive period though)
1950: Saddler (inactive period though)
1960: Elorde
1970: Arguello
1980: Chavez
1990: Nelson (shades Mayweather through length of reign and defences)
2000: Mayweather

Featherweight

1890: Dixon
1900: Attel (including his loss to Driscoll, iknow it was a NC though)
1910: Kilbane (shades Driscoll through caliber of opponents)
1920: Kaplin
1930: Miller (just shades Battelino)
1940: Pep
1950: Saddler
1960: Saldivar
1970: Arguello (just shades Lopez and Marcel)
1980: Pedroza (shades Sanchez due to longer dominance and more defences)
1990: Espinosa
2000: Marquez

Super Bantamweight

1970: Gomez
1980: Zaragoza (through longer time of dominance of Gomez and better oppsition)
1990: Morales
2000: Larios

Bantamweight

1890: Palmer
1900: Walsh
1910: Herman (shades Willaims by having a victory over him)
1920: Taylor
1930: Brown
1940: Ortiz
1950: Carruthers
1960: Harada (shades Jofre due to 2 victories over him)
1970: Zarate
1980: Pintor
1990: Canizales
2000: Marquez

Super Flyweight

1980: Wantanabe
1990: Moon
2000: Montiel

Flyweight

1910: Wilde
1920: Villa
1930: Lynch
1940: Monaghan
1950: Perez
1960: Kingpetch
1970: Canto
1980: Zapata
1990: dont know enough
2000: Donaire

Light Flyweight

1970: Gushiken
1980: Yuh
1990: Gonzalez
2000: Calderon

Minimumweight

1990: Lopez
2000: Calderon

[Dempsey1238]

So why is Burns over Jeff or even Johnson?

[the cobra]

If an argument for Lesnevich to be rated higher than Charles exists, it is a very, very weak one.

After his time in service, Charles never lost to a Lightheavyweight, and he beat Moore 3x, Bivins 3x, Marshall 2x, Maxim 5x, Elmer Ray (a heavyweight Charles beat while weighing 175), Oakland Billy Smith 2x, etc.

Lesnevich's wins pale in comparison, and he lost frequently to top rated opponents at 175. The only thing Gus has is that he got a shot at the title and won it, but they're worlds apart otherwise.

[Bill Butcher]

Each Decade at every weight

so

Heavyweight

1890:
1900:
1910:
1920:
1930: Louis
1940: Louis
1950: Marciano
1960: Ali
1970: Ali
1980:
1990:
2000:

Cruiserweight:

1980:
1990:
2000:

Light Heavyweight

1900:
1910:
1920:
1930:
1940:
1950:
1960:
1970:
1980:
1990:
2000:

Super Middleweight

1980:
1990:
2000:

Middleweight:

1880:
1890:
1900:
1910:
1920:
1930:
1940:
1950:
1960:
1970:
1980:
1990:
2000:

Light Middleweight

1960:
1970:
1980:
1990:
2000:

Welterweight

1890:
1900:
1910:
1920:
1930:
1940:
1950:
1960:
1970:
1980:
1990:
2000:

Light Welterweight

1920:
1930:
1940:
(1950s the LWW title was not competed for till 1959)
1960:
1970:
1980:
1990:
2000:

Lightweight

1890:
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1980:
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Super Featherweight

1920:
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1990:
2000:

Featherweight

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1990:
2000: Morales

Super Bantamweight

1970:
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1990: Morales
2000:

Bantamweight

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Super Flyweight

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Flyweight

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Light Flyweight

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Minimumweight

1990:
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I gave you a little start Pat, there`s no way I can fill in all that, I`ll be here all day :lol:

[GPater11093]

So why is Burns over Jeff or even Johnson?

thanks for that i overlooked them 2 sorry i think Johnson would take it ill change that


also just some intresting things came up

Only 4 men in my list was the best in 2 adjoining decades at the same weight and that was Louis, Johnson, Ali and Saddler. And Saddler also was the best at Featherweight in the 50s.

Pernell Whittaker, Sandy Saddler and Alexis Arguello were the best at 2 weights in the same decade.

Julio Cesar Chavez was the best at SFW in the 1980s but in the 1990s he jumped 2 weights to be the best at LWW.

Arguello was the best in 3 weights within 2 decades

[Jear]

Dempsey as the best of the 20s seems a little bit of tough on Wills in particular but Tunney also.
Dempsey went 7-2? through the 20s, while he had reasonably good opponents in this time his resume during this period pales in comparison to Wills and his inactivity must count against him during this decade

[DINAMITA]

Fortunately for everyone here, we're willing to take the difficult tasks.

We're awesomeizing this thread up awesome-style. :good

[Minotauro]

Throw that win out altogether then. Charles was still the vastly superior LHW, in every way.

I gotta agree with this I don't see how Gus can he ranked higher then Charles. Not to mention Gus lost to the best light heavy's he fought during that time in Bivins and Conn.

[the cobra]

Originally posted by DINAMITA
We're awesomeizing this thread up awesome-style. :good
It's a powerful thing.