mundine finds another excuse not to fight out of australia

[jb1]

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[COULDHAVEBEEN]

The basic concept of the show sounds good.

...but the idea that the winner would be just another tune-up fight for The FIGJAM Man is just mind blowing!

[jb1]

well he wouldnt fight bika who won the contender so why this one

[Barrera_fan]

Cos Bika might win. I wonder if the contestants will be hand-picked by Mundine so he can have another easy fight regardless of the winner.

[Rise Above]

Did anyone actually think he was going to step up.

[ashley]

Did anyone actually think he was going to step up.

No........I keep telling you guys he will step sideways.

Hes going to look for a vacant or paper title at MW or SMW....until its time to fight Green for the same type of title.....3 division 5 time world champ baby :hey

Mundine will be number 4 in the world at MW, SMW and maybe LHW.....and if thats all he ever does then thats great.....just let it go guys :rofl

If your waiting for him to fight a top 3 then you will grow old quick.

[ashley]

Lets look at the possible contenders.....{non world title holders}.....in MW and SMW in Aust.....this would be my 12

Crampton
Sherrington
Pitman
Taylor
Clenshaw
Hamden
Geale
Sonni
Kazzi
Soliman
Bryant
Junior

That would be great to see this group go round....and the winner to fight Mundine....I got no problem with that at all.

[Francis75]

Did anyone actually think he was going to step up.

Of course he is not going to step up. Only the deluded out there would believe that Anthony will fight one of the top 3 at 160 or 168.

[SexualPanda]

And to think some fools actually thought the Pavlik/Sturm talk had even an ounce of truth to it.

With Soliman now fighting for the IBO title eliminator, a Mundine-Soliman 4 fight is now a much safer bet. So who's excited? Cos I can hardly contain myself.

[GalangK]

I remember watching one of Mundine`s first fights here in Montreal of all places and was pretty impressed. He made some good progress after that but after fighting (and losing) to guys like Kessler and Ottke, he hasn`t exactly lit the world on fire (the notable wins I have in my mind are Green and Echols)

Its a sad state of affairs if he`s just going to be locked away in Australia (by his own choosing) for the rest of his career. Would have loved to see more of the guy.

[24beers]

is it better to step up, fight a top class fighter and get beat? or to stay at the same level and go sideways like it seems mundine does. i cant understand why he does this, is it puerly because he's not good enough? i along with many out there think he is, so wats the jonh dory?

[mundinechamp]

This story is just the Daily Telegraph making a cheap excuse to shit can Mundine. They do it all the time. People buy into their garbage which is why they keep producing such stories.

A good report in the paper would be to promote the show and what benefits it will bring to Aussie boxing. But NO...lets bag Mundine so we can a sell a few more papers.

[Sox]

This story is just the Daily Telegraph making a cheap excuse to shit can Mundine. They do it all the time. People buy into their garbage which is why they keep producing such stories.

A good report in the paper would be to promote the show and what benefits it will bring to Aussie boxing. But NO...lets bag Mundine so we can a sell a few more papers.
That's not right.:nono

The media shit cans Mandy because he doesn't do what he claims.
He says one thing one month and the next month does something else.

Mandy claims he is the best in the world, yet he won't fight the best in the world.
The shit he gets is warranted.

The fight with Geale was a great step up and a great fight. Instead of using that as a stepping stone for further greatness, he's going to go backwards again.

[THN]

SHAME on him, But he dose'nt care its money in the bank.

[flamengo]

Wow... who would have thought????

[PorkChopExpress]

Uhh there isn't one mention of him not fighting out of Australia... just that he MAY be the prize on offer to the winner of the contender... if you ask me that's a pretty cool concept...

A) it's a good opportunity for some upcoming fighters to get some names out there
B) It will put boxing into some kind of Australian prime time... a first for a long time
C) It's a real prize. Not a dodgy title shot at the "Insert unknown boxing organisation hre" title... it's a shot at Mundine. Aus's highest profile boxer
D) The prize is a chance to knock out Mundine... do you know how many people will eagerly watch this person compete to try and knock out the most hated celebrity in Australia????

All good reasons to do this to me so stfu?

Also, please show me in the article where is says Mundine has said he won't fight somewhere else in the meantime?

[mundinechamp]

That's not right.:nono

The media shit cans Mandy because he doesn't do what he claims.
He says one thing one month and the next month does something else.

Mandy claims he is the best in the world, yet he won't fight the best in the world.
The shit he gets is warranted.

The fight with Geale was a great step up and a great fight. Instead of using that as a stepping stone for further greatness, he's going to go backwards again.

I don't agree with all his decisions, but put it this way mate, Choc hasn't done a thing wrong since moving to middleweight. He's fought Taylor to confirm his mandatory WBA challenger status as Taylor was WBA top 10 and then fought Geale to win the IBO title.

At this moment in time, this article serves no purpose as it is basing it on hearsay and putting it's agenda to knock Choc instead of promoting the tournament. If Mundine tommorrow goes out and says he's fighting Darren Obah, then an article like this would be deserved. But that hasn't happened yet and hopefully doesn't for us all.

[goodnight]

Uhh there isn't one mention of him not fighting out of Australia... just that he MAY be the prize on offer to the winner of the contender... if you ask me that's a pretty cool concept...

A) it's a good opportunity for some upcoming fighters to get some names out there
B) It will put boxing into some kind of Australian prime time... a first for a long time
C) It's a real prize. Not a dodgy title shot at the "Insert unknown boxing organisation hre" title... it's a shot at Mundine. Aus's highest profile boxer
D) The prize is a chance to knock out Mundine... do you know how many people will eagerly watch this person compete to try and knock out the most hated celebrity in Australia????

All good reasons to do this to me so stfu?

Also, please show me in the article where is says Mundine has said he won't fight somewhere else in the meantime?

agreed, any exposure is good exposure.

although i beg to differ that mundine is australia's highest profile boxer. He may have the biggest profile IN australia, but the world is a much bigger place than oz, especially in boxing. More O/S boxing fans would know Vic and even Rocky b4 mundane.

[sallywinder]

who cares. he'll be 50 next birthday anyway.






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[luds]

yeh read this story yesterday and its once again just pure speculation by the daily telegraph.
just needed to keep the paper sales up.
All stories in the daily telegraph about mundine are always wrong.
i have never seen anything they write or predict actually happen.
Mundine is currently working hard on pavlik deal and should know for sure in next 3 weeks.

[sallywinder]

i heard about this comp weeks ago....

[kel]

Yeah Telegraph ain't that reliable so i'll wait to hear from another source before making a comment

[SexualPanda]

Mundine is currently working hard on pavlik deal and should know for sure in next 3 weeks.

And how exactly do you know this? You have some inside information we don't know about? Cos if you can't substantiate anything then it's a pointless thing to say.

Judging by what Mundine has said about his aspirations and intentions in the past, and what he then sets out to do, I would think it is a reasonable assumption that his next fight will be nothing to get excited about.

[shanemfr]

This story is just the Daily Telegraph making a cheap excuse to shit can Mundine. They do it all the time. People buy into their garbage which is why they keep producing such stories.

A good report in the paper would be to promote the show and what benefits it will bring to Aussie boxing. But NO...lets bag Mundine so we can a sell a few more papers.
You really think people buy the paper to read about Mundine :rofl , i think the only garbage people buy into is Mundines nuthuggers beleiving his shit.

[luds]

And how exactly do you know this? You have some inside information we don't know about? Cos if you can't substantiate anything then it's a pointless thing to say.

Judging by what Mundine has said about his aspirations and intentions in the past, and what he then sets out to do, I would think it is a reasonable assumption that his next fight will be nothing to get excited about.


yes mate thats a fair call.
i have been told by his uncle mick and his dad.
one thing is for certain...choc will have to go to him.
He aint coming here,and a lot of things will be on pavliks terms.
Fair enough to i say.

[Rise Above]

yes mate thats a fair call.
i have been told by his uncle mick and his dad.
one thing is for certain...choc will have to go to him.
He aint coming here,and a lot of things will be on pavliks terms.
Fair enough to i say.


I will believe it when I see it.

After the amount of times Mundine has said he will fight the top guys only to have him come up with some bullshit excuse I wouldnt expect anyone to believe he will step up.

[Francis75]

yes mate thats a fair call.
i have been told by his uncle mick and his dad.
one thing is for certain...choc will have to go to him.
He aint coming here,and a lot of things will be on pavliks terms.
Fair enough to i say.

For crying out loud. His uncle Mick told ya did he. Don't believe what people say or tell ya mate. Anthony has been saying that he's chasing the big fights for 3 or 4 years now and we are still waiting or maybe Anthony considers Crazy Kim or Sam Soliman big fights. Anthony is now 34 yrs old and clearly past his prime. If you honestly believe that he will now step up than i feel sorry for you because you are extremely naive.

[ashley]

For crying out loud. His uncle Mick told ya did he. Don't believe what people say or tell ya mate. Anthony has been saying that he's chasing the big fights for 3 or 4 years now and we are still waiting or maybe Anthony considers Crazy Kim or Sam Soliman big fights. Anthony is now 34 yrs old and clearly past his prime. If you honestly believe that he will now step up than i feel sorry for you because you are extremely naive.

If hes talking to Mundines dad at least its better info than the rest of this crap coming forward :shock:

[luds]

For crying out loud. His uncle Mick told ya did he. Don't believe what people say or tell ya mate. Anthony has been saying that he's chasing the big fights for 3 or 4 years now and we are still waiting or maybe Anthony considers Crazy Kim or Sam Soliman big fights. Anthony is now 34 yrs old and clearly past his prime. If you honestly believe that he will now step up than i feel sorry for you because you are extremely naive.


Mate to be honest mundine does know its now or never.
Earlier on it was fair enough to avoid the big fights as big losses couldve ended his career prematurely,but now at 34 its now or never.
If he looses a couple of fights now he can say i was ready to hang the gloves up soon anyway,and i won 3 titles blah,blah blah etc.
He wont go out quietly,thats for sure.
Just give it 3 weeks or so and well see.

[Francis75]

Mate to be honest mundine does know its now or never.
Earlier on it was fair enough to avoid the big fights as big losses couldve ended his career prematurely,but now at 34 its now or never.
If he looses a couple of fights now he can say i was ready to hang the gloves up soon anyway,and i won 3 titles blah,blah blah etc.
He wont go out quietly,thats for sure.
Just give it 3 weeks or so and well see.

Fine i will give it 3 weeks as you say but i don't think he will step up for 1 second and if he doesn't i would like you to have a chat to Uncle Mick and Tony Mundine and ask them why they are telling you BS. Seriously i'm a fan of Anthony's talent but am sick of him fighting garbage year after year whilst trying to act like a mix of Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather.

[Sox]

I don't agree with all his decisions, but put it this way mate, Choc hasn't done a thing wrong since moving to middleweight.
He's only had 2 fights at middleweight. Taylor and Geale. Taylor was a waste of time, and Geale was a ripper, good for both men.

However, his entire move to middleweight was a farce because he was running from Kessler. Aside from Geale, have a look at his last 10 fights. What has he done? What has he done which resembles what he claims he is and was going to do?

He's fought Taylor to confirm his mandatory WBA challenger status as Taylor was WBA top 10 and then fought Geale to win the IBO title.
Both hollow victories, for different reasons. Taylors because it's not much of an achievement for someone who is supposed to be of Mandys calibre. And Geale because it was a dubious decision at best.

At this moment in time, this article serves no purpose as it is basing it on hearsay and putting it's agenda to knock Choc instead of promoting the tournament.
I agree, the tournament should be promoted, no question.

Though knocking Mandy is well deserved. He is going back on his claims yet again, what else can be said. The media should hack into Mandy a lot more, he gets away with far to much bullshit and the public swallow it.

If Mundine tommorrow goes out and says he's fighting Darren Obah, then an article like this would be deserved. But that hasn't happened yet and hopefully doesn't for us all.
Do you believe in pink elephants?

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

That's not right.:nono

The media shit cans Mandy because he doesn't do what he claims.

Mandy claims he is the best in the world, yet he won't fight the best in the world.

The shit he gets is warranted.

Couldn't agree more, and that's the reason I begrudge him success and look forward, like many, to seeing him fail.

[mundinechamp]

He's only had 2 fights at middleweight. Taylor and Geale. Taylor was a waste of time, and Geale was a ripper, good for both men.

However, his entire move to middleweight was a farce because he was running from Kessler. Aside from Geale, have a look at his last 10 fights. What has he done? What has he done which resembles what he claims he is and was going to do?

Both hollow victories, for different reasons. Taylors because it's not much of an achievement for someone who is supposed to be of Mandys calibre. And Geale because it was a dubious decision at best.

I agree, the tournament should be promoted, no question.

Though knocking Mandy is well deserved. He is going back on his claims yet again, what else can be said. The media should hack into Mandy a lot more, he gets away with far to much bullshit and the public swallow it.

Do you believe in pink elephants?

Good post, you addressed each sentence individually. Honestly, I could reply back to all but would prefer to save 15 mins of my time plus critiquing Anthony Mundine has been done for forever and a day.

Quick question, you don't happen to work at The Daily Telegraph?

[TheDuke]

Dude, there's definitely an argument that the Daily Telegraph is over the top in it's criticisms of Anthony Mundine. At the same time the Herald makes some ridiculous statements about his 'achievements'. That's just the mateship disease that infects Sydney sports journalism.

The reality is that Mundine is probably the best boxer in Australia at MW/SMW (although Bika might disagree). That's a great achievement entering the pro ranks at such a late stage. However, Mundine has claimed to be the best in the world. This is despite the fact he has no significant victory on the world stage - I don't consider beating an old, small Antwun Echols to be very meaningful. He has had two 'meaningful' losses (Kessler and Ottke) where he acquitted himself well, however he transparently does not want to fight Kessler again and he childishly disrespects the man the knocked him out. He also has the Siaca loss.

I'd would rate him a 50-50 chance against the bottom half of either top 10 (MW or SMW). There are Mundine haters on this board who rate him higher.

People like myself are forced to dislike Mundine because he compromises the principles that we like believe in. At the same time I would congratulate him on a significant victory or commiserate with him on a valiant loss. In fact, up until this point it has been his losses that have impressed me the most - until he starts talking about them.

[Francis75]

Dude, there's definitely an argument that the Daily Telegraph is over the top in it's criticisms of Anthony Mundine. At the same time the Herald makes some ridiculous statements about his 'achievements'. That's just the mateship disease that infects Sydney sports journalism.

The reality is that Mundine is probably the best boxer in Australia at MW/SMW (although Bika might disagree). That's a great achievement entering the pro ranks at such a late stage. However, Mundine has claimed to be the best in the world. This is despite the fact he has no significant victory on the world stage - I don't consider beating an old, small Antwun Echols to be very meaningful. He has had two 'meaningful' losses (Kessler and Ottke) where he acquitted himself well, however he transparently does not want to fight Kessler again and he childishly disrespects the man the knocked him out. He also has the Siaca loss.

I'd would rate him a 50-50 chance against the bottom half of either top 10 (MW or SMW). There are Mundine haters on this board who rate him higher.

People like myself are forced to dislike Mundine because he compromises the principles that we like believe in. At the same time I would congratulate him on a significant victory or commiserate with him on a valiant loss. In fact, up until this point it has been his losses that have impressed me the most - until he starts talking about them.

I agree with everything you say in this post mate. Anthony only has one very good win on his resume imo which is his decisive victory over Danny Green who was a top 5 or 6 super middle at the time. As you say he did account himself reasonably well in his defeats against Ottke and Kessler. I also agree that he would definately NOT beat anyone in the top 5 at 160 or 168 at this stage in his career and like in the Geale fight will really struggle against even the guys at 160 or 168 who are just inside the top 10, because of this i am positive we won't see Anthony stepping up now although there are still a few diehards out there that will continually believe what Anthony says he is going to do even though he never does.

[ashley]

Its funny the only 2 die-hard Mundine fans on here think Mundine will continue fighting for vacant titles and paper belts avoiding the top 3 at MW, SMW and LHW. :yep....the rest of you guys are desperate to see him step up :deal

The best thing about this is we are very happy in our fighters top 4 status and while it would be great to see him fight a top 3 we will continue to support him no matter what he does. :deal

Its all the haters that want him to step up :deal because if he dont get beaten again he will be 3 division 5 time world champ :rofl.....without beating a world champ :lol:.....and that kills some people on here big time :deal

[TheDuke]

Its funny the only 2 die-hard Mundine fans on here think Mundine will continue fighting for vacant titles and paper belts avoiding the top 3 at MW, SMW and LHW. :yep....the rest of you guys are desperate to see him step up :deal

The best thing about this is we are very happy in our fighters top 4 status and while it would be great to see him fight a top 3 we will continue to support him no matter what he does. :deal

Its all the haters that want him to step up :deal because if he dont get beaten again he will be 3 division 5 time world champ :rofl.....without beating a world champ :lol:.....and that kills some people on here big time :deal

But this is what confuses me Ashley - why would paper belts please you and what pleasure do you get out of his false proclamations of greatness.

I can't even argue against your position!!! :think

[ashley]

But this is what confuses me Ashley - why would paper belts please you and what pleasure do you get out of his false proclamations of greatness.

I can't even argue against your position!!! :think

Because I dont need to support the best fighter in the world....just the ones I like.

Its a bit like NRL....I have supported the dragons for 30 years....when the broncos came along all my mates in brissy jumped ship from their old NRL side to the broncos....I am happy if the saints come number 4 every year....I guess its the kind of guy that I am :yep

Same goes with Mundine Iam happy with his results and even if he fights Siaca, Manfredo and Green I will be happy. :bart

If I want to nuthug number 1 in the world like many others I will go to the main forum :lol:

[TheDuke]

But if the Saints lost the GF and then claimed that they were really the champions wouldn't you.........oh.........that's right. :D

[Francis75]

Anthony Mundine is very similar to Chris Angel and David Blane. Basically everything they do is fake and trickery yet there are still people out there who believe it is real.

[ashley]

But if the Saints lost the GF and then claimed that they were really the champions wouldn't you.........oh.........that's right. :D

In both sports you can be the better fighter/ team and not win....Melb vs Saints GF :deal

For the record anytime choc has been beaten i have agreed with the call.

[ashley]

Anthony Mundine is very similar to Chris Angel and David Blane. Basically everything they do is fake and trickery yet there are still people out there who believe it is real.

Dont agree....nobody here thinks Mundine is the best in the world :huh

Now I see him as 4th best at MW......same as he was at SMW.

[sallywinder]

mundine will cop shit for the rest of his retirement for not doing what he boasted. hes got a few years left of media neutrality.......wait till he retires and is just a worthless retired athlete, and journos dont need to be nice to get a story.

history wont be kind to mundine....




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[TheDuke]

To be honest Ashley I think the NRL analogy is completely wrong. It would only make sense if St George were playing Newton or Mt Pritchard and winning and declaring themselves champion despite having lost to all the NRL sides except Souths (Echols).

[roscoe]

In all honesty Ash, if mandy is rated in your top 4 of 160 & 168lbers of the world then its not saying much at all for those divisions world wide. He is the B grade champion but thats better than being C grade champion.

[ashley]

In all honesty Ash, if mandy is rated in your top 4 of 160 & 168lbers of the world then its not saying much at all for those divisions world wide. He is the B grade champion but thats better than being C grade champion.

RING had Mundine at SMW number 4.....who am I to argue :hey

[Francis75]

Dont agree....nobody here thinks Mundine is the best in the world :huh

Now I see him as 4th best at MW......same as he was at SMW.

I don't see how he could possibly be regarded as 4th at middle when his only 2 fights at 160 were an easy shutout of a washed up old former welter in Taylor (who he should have gotten rid of in 3 or 4 rds) and an unproven prospect in Geale who was rated number 10 by ring magazine who he had a life and death struggle with. These 2 bouts followed an forgettable 2 years of Mundine feasting off no name journeymen.He can't possibly be regarded as number 4 at middle by anyone other than Mundine diehard supporter's imo.

[ashley]

I don't see how he could possibly be regarded as 4th at middle when his only 2 fights at 160 were an easy shutout of a washed up old former welter in Taylor (who he should have gotten ride of in 3 or 4 rds) and an unproven prospect in Geale who was rated number 10 by ring magazine who he had a life and death struggle with. These 2 bouts followed an forgettable 2 years of Mundine feasting off no name journeymen.He can't possibly be regarded as number 4 at middle by anyone other than Mundine diehard supporter's imo.

You may find that the WBA and others give you a similar rank if you move divisions and have a few wins with fighters inside the top 10.....I maybe wrong.

I dont know whos infront of him other than the big 3 maybe you can tell me?

Maybe J Taylor....if hes down to MW after his loss.....but dont know about the rest

[perfect jet]

I know this much...

khoder hasn't even approached Toprank about doing Mundine/Pavlik. Not that it comes as a shock or anything...lol

[SexualPanda]

I know this much...

khoder hasn't even approached Toprank about doing Mundine/Pavlik. Not that it comes as a shock or anything...lol

Of course he hasn't. That hairy bastard is only concerned about lining his pockets even more with a potential Green rematch.

I bet Pavlik wouldn't even be able to pronounce Mundine properly.