Cotto/Clottey and you.

[Bunce]

OK, it's 2am and Cotto and Clottey is getting closer...
So, let's get busy...I'm looking for great welterweight world title fights...
you know the rules...either post here or send email to: [Only registered and activated users can see links]

Thanks and adios.

[gasman]

Past fights or ones that we would like to see?

[GPater11093]

they should be called Welter Belters

the email i sent was called that

[GPater11093]

i did past fights

[LHL]

Fantasy fights or just great Welter fights

[D-MAC]

Great Welterweight title fights, eh?

Henry Armstrong v Barney Ross
Sugar Ray Robinson v Kid Gavilan
Sugar Ray Leonard v Roberto Duran
Sugar Ray Leonard v Tommy Hearns


There's a few to start off with while I think of some more.

[Bunce]

A) Fights that have taken place.
B) Just one fight!

GP just sent me about 793!!!

Adios.

[GPater11093]

i think its great Welter fights

as i sent afew to Bunce and he responded saying i would get a mention

[GPater11093]

A) Fights that have taken place.
B) Just one fight!

GP just sent me about 793!!!

Adios.

it was only a small selection of my faverouite welter fights

if you want 793 no problem Bunce

[Chud]

OK, it's 2am and Cotto and Clottey is getting closer...
So, let's get busy...I'm looking for great welterweight world title fights...
you know the rules...either post here or send email to: [Only registered and activated users can see links]

Thanks and adios.

will you be showing the calderon fight and highlights of the korobov fight?

[ishy]

Curry-Honeyghan
Leonard-Benitez
Napoles-Griffith

[GPater11093]

Great Welterweight title fights, eh?

Henry Armstrong v Barney Ross
Sugar Ray Robinson v Kid Gavilan
Sugar Ray Leonard v Roberto Duran
Sugar Ray Leonard v Tommy Hearns


There's a few to start off with while I think of some more.

was it filmed?

also Armstrong vs Ross was quite 1-sided but Hank was amazing

if you get a chance watch Ross vs McLarnin any one of there trilogy and there good fights.

[gasman]

Pernell Whittaker - Julio Cesar Chavez (very controversial draw - Pernell won by a margin)....Just thinking what if Clottey outboxes Cotto, hope that there isn't a homer decision for Cotto - especially with the place jammed with Puerto Ricans....

[Beeston Brawler]

Cotto vs Margarito
Margarito vs Mosley - the manner of Mosley's win still amazes me. Stopping the unstoppable.
Stracey vs Napoles

[GPater11093]

Curry-Honeyghan
Leonard-Benitez
Napoles-Griffith

good fights

you seen Griffith vs Monzon 2 that fight is good.

also Napoles vs Cokes 1 is a great fight

[GPater11093]

Pernell Whittaker - Julio Cesar Chavez (very controversial draw - Pernell won by a margin)....Just thinking what if Clottey outboxes Cotto, hope that there isn't a homer decision for Cotto - especially with the place jammed with Puerto Ricans....

i dont see that being a problem but it hink Clottey will out fight him and out work him and win a UD, i dont see a homer coming.

[ishy]

Stracey-Napoles!

EDIT: Beeston beat me to it :fire. Leeds scum

[GPater11093]

Stracey-Napoles!

EDIT: Beeston beat me to it :fire. Leeds scum

i only seen that fight once i remember it was good

but Napoles is one of my faverouites so dont watch it alot. Not good viewing for me i prefer his dominance over Cokes

[gasman]

Cotto vs Margarito
Margarito vs Mosley - the manner of Mosley's win still amazes me. Stopping the unstoppable.
Stracey vs Napoles

yeah Mosley was awesome, a brutal stoppage...

[Bunce]

Griffith v Monzon II was at middle.
Calderon and Korobov all part of the show.
Gasman, I've been thinking the same thing!
Keep 'em coming. This will be a big night of interaction.

Adios.

[D-MAC]

Here's a gem:

Wilfred Benitez v Carlos Palomino

[Beeston Brawler]

Stracey-Napoles!

EDIT: Beeston beat me to it :fire. Leeds scum

Dirty Town fan :lol:

The greatest game of rugby I have ever seen took place at your stadium, so I will retract that comment on reflection!

[GPater11093]

Griffith v Monzon II was at middle.
Calderon and Korobov all part of the show.
Gasman, I've been thinking the same thing!
Keep 'em coming. This will be a big night of interaction.

Adios.

yeh i knew i was just mentioning it as a good fight if you like Griffith

Here's a gem:

Wilfred Benitez v Carlos Palomino

great pick i actually forgot about this was it not at LWW?

still a great fight

[fenian 67]

griffith-paret 3.wasnt the greatest but it was vicious

[D-MAC]

was it filmed?

also Armstrong vs Ross was quite 1-sided but Hank was amazing

if you get a chance watch Ross vs McLarnin any one of there trilogy and there good fights.

Nah, we just have the reports from the fights; but two great WW's squaring off against each other; I had to mention. Same reason for the Ross-Armstrong pick.

[GPater11093]

any fight with Carmen Basilio in it is worth a watch

[D-MAC]

great pick i actually forgot about this was it not at LWW?

still a great fight

Nope, it was at WW for Palomino's title.

[GPater11093]

Nah, we just have the reports from the fights; but two great WW's squaring off against each other; I had to mention. Same reason for the Ross-Armstrong pick.

fair enough

SRR vs Gavilan would have been great to see there must be footage somewhere, in someones garage in a box just not discovered yet, hopefully or maybe in the ESPN archives.

Ross vs Armstrong was a huge win for Armstrong

[gasman]

Stracey-Napoles!

EDIT: Beeston beat me to it :fire. Leeds scum

I am watching Stracey-Napoles before the Cotto fight comes on, hope I find it on youtube...

[GPater11093]

Nope, it was at WW for Palomino's title.

thats right :good

Willie Pep > Sandy Saddler

[gasman]

Griffith v Monzon II was at middle.
Calderon and Korobov all part of the show.
Gasman, I've been thinking the same thing!
Keep 'em coming. This will be a big night of interaction.

Adios.

Yep stranger things have happened, but I hope it doesn't come to that and we are treated to a devastatingly brutal stoppage.

[GPater11093]

I am watching Stracey-Napoles before the Cotto fight comes on, hope I find it on youtube...

my plan is

Murry vs Lawton
Don King: only in america (its on after the murry fight on ITV4)
Tyson Ringside (ESPN)
Half an Hour shove in
then Cotto vs Clottey

[GPater11093]

after watching Scum last night

anyone think a young Ray Winstone looks like Bunce

[ishy]

after watching Scum last night

anyone think a young Ray Winstone looks like Bunce

I may watch that before Cotto-Clottey.

[fenian 67]

i said that to my girlfriend last night.but we were watching face so it was an old ray wintsone.sorry buncey

[D-MAC]

thats right :good

Willie Pep > Sandy Saddler

Saddler 3 - 1 Pep:deal

[GPater11093]

I may watch that before Cotto-Clottey.

its a good film i recommend it

not exactly the type of film to get you in the mood for a big fight though

i said that to my girlfriend last night.but we were watching face so it was an old ray wintsone.sorry buncey

well we agree they look alike

Bunce looks freindlier and Ray is scarier

[GPater11093]

Saddler 3 - 1 Past prime Pep:deal

thats better

a past prime Pep admittidely loses the first fight. Dominates the second fight on almost every report. Is winning the third fight until he hurts his shoulder and is winning the 4th fight until Saddlers dirty tactics hurt him and he gets KOd

this was all done after he nearly died in a plane crash

[D-MAC]

thats better

a past prime Pep admittidely loses the first fight. Dominates the second fight on almost every report. Is winning the third fight until he hurts his shoulder and is winning the 4th fight until Saddlers dirty tactics hurt him and he gets KOd

this was all done after he nearly died in a plane crash

I'm pretty sure Pep may have come on with the dirty tactics himself; didn't they both get banned for a while after that fight?

[GPater11093]

I'm pretty sure Pep may have come on with the dirty tactics himself; didn't they both get banned for a while after that fight?

yeh he did

they both got banned and fined i think Pep got the worsed of it though.

havent watched the Saddler 3 and 4 highlights n a while but im sure Pep judo trips Saddler which knocks over the ref aswell

[D-MAC]

yeh he did

they both got banned and fined i think Pep got the worsed of it though.

havent watched the Saddler 3 and 4 highlights n a while but im sure Pep judo trips Saddler which knocks over the ref aswell

Yeah, good fights:good

I actually have no problem admitting Pep as the better fighter career wise; if I didn't I wouldn't have a fucking leg to stand on to be honest.

[GPater11093]

good man

Sandy Saddler was a great fighter but Pep is just greater

[fatcity]

You guys are hard core.Staying up until 2 am to watch this fight is impressive.I will be at the pub until 9pm,then over to buddy's place to catch the fight at 10pm.I will probably be in bed at 2am.:good

[D-MAC]

Back on topic.

I don't think this one has been mentioned:

Carmen Basilio - Tony DeMarco II

Basilio trailing on all three cards takes DeMarco out in the 12th.

[ishy]

You guys are hard core.Staying up until 2 am to watch this fight is impressive.I will be at the pub until 9pm,then over to buddy's place to catch the fight at 10pm.I will probably be in bed at 2am.:good

The main event will start nearer 4am :lol:

[GPater11093]

D-MAC thats the one Buncey is shouting me out for

thats a great fight

[fenian 67]

You guys are hard core.Staying up until 2 am to watch this fight is impressive.I will be at the pub until 9pm,then over to buddy's place to catch the fight at 10pm.I will probably be in bed at 2am.:good
the show starts at 2.fight prob wont be on till 3 or half past

[GPater11093]

fatcity the fight is loreal

(its worth it)

[D-MAC]

D-MAC thats the one Buncey is shouting me out for

thats a great fight

well done:good

[fenian 67]

fatcity the fight is loreal

(its worth it)
terrible

[GPater11093]

well done:good

yep it is probably the best ever welter fight IMO

terrible

you never heard that saying

[fenian 67]

yep it is probably the best ever welter fight IMO



you never heard that saying
ive seen the ads but i wouldnt use it to describe a fight :-(

[LHL]

Any domestic fights i remember Muttley was in a good fight and think he got beat maybe Anderson

[theuppercut]

Back on topic.

I don't think this one has been mentioned:

Carmen Basilio - Tony DeMarco II

Basilio trailing on all three cards takes DeMarco out in the 12th.

Nice one. I've got that on dvd thanks to a friend who wishes to remain nameless :hey

[kosaros]

Dunno if anyone has mentioned it but:

Trinidad vs Campas

[doug.ie]

milton mc crory v colin jones...either or both, but someones probably already said it

if it wasnt world titles i would have said kirkland laing v colin jones as welter *******.

['Ben']

One that probably slipped past everyone's radar in recent years is Hatton vs Collazo..... whatever you think of the result (personally I had it a draw) it was a really good fight.

Speaking of Hatton fighting at welter, when Cotto LOSES tonight it might be a good option for Hatton (assuming he wants to fight on) With no title on the line 144lb would be fair. After that (win or lose) he could have a final big payday at Old Trafford against Khan or Witter (maybe not Witter then?) My mind is starting too wonder a bit now.

[D-MAC]

One that probably slipped past everyone's radar in recent years is Hatton vs Collazo..... whatever you think of the result (personally I had it a draw) it was a really good fight.

Speaking of Hatton fighting at welter, when Cotto LOSES tonight it might be a good option for Hatton (assuming he wants to fight on) With no title on the line 144lb would be fair. After that (win or lose) he could have a final big payday at Old Trafford against Khan or Witter (maybe not Witter then?) My mind is starting too wonder a bit now.

Good God, my Trollometer just went off the scale with this post.

['Ben']

How about Kell Brook vs Hatton/Cotto winner? That would be in about a years time and if Brook won the European title in that time and beat a fighter like Quintanta or Collazo too it would make sense..... all that happening the way I said it would is very very unlikley, yes! but never say never in boxing!

[LHL]

This has to be a joke right?

[D-MAC]

This has to be a joke right?

Don't go feeding the troll now:nono

Its what he wants.

['Ben']

This has to be a joke right?


Is what a joke?

[Guy]

Looking forward to tonights action but i'm afraid I shall be watching the sky + version in the morrow.

Buncey did you see your praises been sung in todays Mirror?

If not here you are; by Tony Parsons,

"If is as feared Setanta goes under then we will lose the best sports show on television.
Steve Bunce's Boxing hour has the lot- from interviews with legends of the past like Joe Frazier to in-studio chat with the stars of tomorrow like Nathan Cleverley.The show recalls the golden age of boxing broadccasting when Harry Carpenter and Reg Gutteridge were ringside.
If Setanta goes, then some enterprising tv station must save Steve Bunce's Boxing hour.":deal

Anyway looking forward to a good 'un.:cool:

[Guy]

Don't go feeding the troll now:nono

Its what he wants.


:lol: I love that term, someone like Betty has a larder full every time he logs on

[Fat Joe]

What time is the main event on?

[kosaros]

I am guessing 4am, but it is a very decent undercard.

[doug.ie]

has anyone said Carlos Palomino vs Wilfred Benitez ??

if not, then that's my pick.

[D-MAC]

has anyone said Carlos Palomino vs Wilfred Benitez ??

if not, then that's my pick.

Beat ya to it:smooch

Post 21.

[antcull]

Looking forward to tonights action but i'm afraid I shall be watching the sky + version in the morrow.

Buncey did you see your praises been sung in todays Mirror?

If not here you are; by Tony Parsons,

"If is as feared Setanta goes under then we will lose the best sports show on television.
Steve Bunce's Boxing hour has the lot- from interviews with legends of the past like Joe Frazier to in-studio chat with the stars of tomorrow like Nathan Cleverley.The show recalls the golden age of boxing broadccasting when Harry Carpenter and Reg Gutteridge were ringside.
If Setanta goes, then some enterprising tv station must save Steve Bunce's Boxing hour.":deal

Anyway looking forward to a good 'un.:cool:

Great to see the papers getting involved :happy Certainly is the best sports show on tele :good

What time is the main event on?

HBOs broadcast starts at 3am and they are only showing Cotto-Clottey so probably 3.15am

[doug.ie]

Beat ya to it:smooch

Post 21.

bollox!!

well done.

ok...er, palomino v stracey ?


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[Guy]

bollox!!

well done.

ok...er, palomino v stracey ?


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Nice avatar dougie I have that cd.....excellent:good

You have much by the 'orrible Who?

[Fat Joe]

Thanks for the replies about times, can't decide whether to Sky+ or stay up

[kosaros]

Some other good welterweight fights that I don't think have been mentioned:

Mosley vs Hoya I
Whitaker vs McGirt I

[doug.ie]

Nice avatar dougie I have that cd.....excellent:good

You have much by the 'orrible Who?

oh..i collect anything and everything who i can get...if you have that cd you must be a fan ;-)

i got my lad to spread it out in the living room one day to get a good look at it...

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anyway...back to the boxing...buncey will go mad at me for posting about music :-)



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[LHL]

oh..i collect anything and everything who i can get...if you have that cd you must be a fan ;-)

i got my lad to spread it out in the living room one day to get a good look at it...

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Not a fan of The Who then Doug

[doug.ie]

Not a fan of The Who then Doug


not really no.


what about stracey v jose napoles...although it was 6/7 rounds only, stracey got off the deck and did a surgeons job on napoles...napoles might have been an old man at the time, but it was still world title level he was fighting at..


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[D-MAC]

oh..i collect anything and everything who i can get...if you have that cd you must be a fan ;-)

i got my lad to spread it out in the living room one day to get a good look at it...

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anyway...back to the boxing...buncey will go mad at me for posting about music :-)



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Fucking hell!!!

Its like the priest's room from Omen I.

[mak65]

oh..i collect anything and everything who i can get...if you have that cd you must be a fan ;-)

i got my lad to spread it out in the living room one day to get a good look at it...

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anyway...back to the boxing...buncey will go mad at me for posting about music :-)



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curtains but no window. :huh

[ishy]

Fucking hell!!!

Its like the priest's room from Omen I.

:rofl

[doug.ie]

curtains but no window. :huh


it's one of them roll down blind things...there's a window behind it.

buncey..i am sorry...didnt mean to fook up the thread...we've gone from welters to the who to fookin invisible windows...bunce, i'm truly sorry.



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[Guy]

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[GPater11093]

back to the welter belters

how about Cuevas vs Hearns

[D-MAC]

back to the welter belters

how about Cuevas vs Hearns

How about Duran vs Cuevas.

Fuck! How about Hearns vs Duran!!!

[FrochPascal]

Calzaghe will be at this fight ive heard...in case anyone was interested

[Guy]

Calzaghe will be at this fight ive heard...in case anyone was interested

Return of the King :smoke Part Deux

[GPater11093]

yeh Hearns vs Duran what a KO

but isnt it at LMW

[D-MAC]

yeh Hearns vs Duran what a KO

but isnt it at LMW

I think it would get in just for that one punch.









edit: Shit! You're right; it was LMW:patsch

[gasman]

oh..i collect anything and everything who i can get...if you have that cd you must be a fan ;-)

i got my lad to spread it out in the living room one day to get a good look at it...

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anyway...back to the boxing...buncey will go mad at me for posting about music :-)



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Doug nice collection of The Who on vinyl, I have a nice collection of vinyl, that would be my second favourite past-time:good

[slip&counter]

lads lets stick to fights we've seen rather then fights like Basilio vs Demarco or Armstrong vs Barney Ross, it gives us more credibility

my favorite welter fights are

Leonard vs Hearns
Sweet pea vs chavez
Sweet Pea vs Mcgirt 2
Ike Quartey vs De la Hoya
Margarito vs Cotto

[GPater11093]

slip and counter i have seen Basilio vs DeMarco 2 and Armstrong vs Ross

dont see how that gives me less credibility as i have seen them on film.

[McGrain]

Barney Ross versus Jimmy McLarnin baby:
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McLarnin is way, way underated.


And whatever the rules, I got to mention the one that got away, Sugar Ray versus Charley Burley. Maybe the two greatest welters ever head to head, they share an era, and nothing happens at 147 or 160.


Burley on the right. The giant is probably JD Turnter, 220lbs, Burley stopped him in 7.
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[D-MAC]

Barney Ross versus Jimmy McLarnin baby:
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McLarnin is way, way underated.


And whatever the rules, I got to mention the one that got away, Sugar Ray versus Charley Burley. Maybe the two greatest welters ever head to head, they share an era, and nothing happens at 147 or 160.


Burley on the right. The giant is probably JD Turnter, 220lbs, Burley stopped him in 7.
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Fucking hell! Burley is giving a lot away physically there.

I have to read more on this bloke.




NB: Thanks McGrain; wish you would post here more.

[ishy]

I've got Burley's bio but haven;t got round to finishing it. He certainly was an interesting dude.

[D-MAC]

I've got Burley's bio but haven;t got round to finishing it. He certainly was an interesting dude.

I'll put it on my to-do list Ishy.

So many other books to get through at the moment unfortunately:twisted:

[GazOC]

He's one of the forgotten greats. 'His' book claims that Robinson was offered a career high payday to fight Burley but declined, I'm not sure I believe that but SRR was certainly in no rush to fight Burley.

[ishy]

Fucking hell! Burley is giving a lot away physically there.

I have to read more on this bloke.




NB: Thanks McGrain; wish you would post here more.

:yep

He's one of the forgotten greats. 'His' book claims that Robinson was offered a career high payday to fight Burley but declined, I'm not sure I believe that but SRR was certainly in no rush to fight Burley.

Gaz, that avatar is highly disturbing. We agreed that pic looked like shite yesterday.

[McGrain]

NB: Thanks McGrain; wish you would post here more.

I'm gonna chum, that's a promise.

Burley was giving up 70-80lbs, the details are a little uncertain. But he punched the shit out of him.

Not to be to self serving but...:D
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[slip&counter]

slip and counter i have seen Basilio vs DeMarco 2 and Armstrong vs Ross

dont see how that gives me less credibility as i have seen them on film.


i didn't mean it like that, i meant fighters and fights of our time as we would be more familiar with the scenario and circumstance and i know you've seen them but how many have just read an article or heard it from someone else, crebility was probabily the wrong word to use though :good

[GazOC]

Gaz, that avatar is highly disturbing. We agreed that pic looked like shite yesterday.

Well I figured the Setanta "thing" was job done so I thought my next avatar campaign would be to try and popularize the eating of afterbirth in batter throughout the UK!!!

[Chubble19]

Ill throw in the following fights;

Trinidad V De La Hoya
Whittaker V Cesar Chavez
Carmine Basilio V Tony DeMarco

[D-MAC]

I'm gonna chum, that's a promise.

Burley was giving up 70-80lbs, the details are a little uncertain. But he punched the shit out of him.

Not to be to self serving but...:D
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Very good article there McGrain, you've got a real fluid writing style, easy to read.

You think Chagaev has a good chance against Vlad then?

[McGrain]

Very good article there McGrain, you've got a real fluid writing style, easy to read.

You think Chagaev has a good chance against Vlad then?

Cheers.


...no, I make Wlad a pretty heavy favourite. Remember Chagaev against Skelton? He gassed a bit around 10 if I remember, had a chance to close with a tired Skelton - who is not a puncher or a trapping-style general - and he couldn't close the blinds on him. I think he gassed. Since then he's had another injury and he looked a bit shitty against Drummond.

But he has been through a proper camp to take on a champion, and then given a few weeks to adjust for Wlad - so he should be in the best shape he can make at this point. And if i'm honest with you, I think that Chagaev from a few years back would have set Wlad some very interesting problems in a crap fight.

Now, I think we might get a clean Wlad win in a decent fight. Would love to see him win though, I always liked him.

You?

[GPater11093]

mcgrain good to see you post here.

McGrain i liked your theory you suggested before about beating Wlad is a case of controlling the tempo and ring generalship thats a great theory and a corrrect one i beleive. I dont think Chageav is the right guy to do it though.

Also McGrain Cotto or Clotttey

[D-MAC]

Cheers.


...no, I make Wlad a pretty heavy favourite. Remember Chagaev against Skelton? He gassed a bit around 10 if I remember, had a chance to close with a tired Skelton - who is not a puncher or a trapping-style general - and he couldn't close the blinds on him. I think he gassed. Since then he's had another injury and he looked a bit shitty against Drummond.

But he has been through a proper camp to take on a champion, and then given a few weeks to adjust for Wlad - so he should be in the best shape he can make at this point. And if i'm honest with you, I think that Chagaev from a few years back would have set Wlad some very interesting problems in a crap fight.

Now, I think we might get a clean Wlad win in a decent fight. Would love to see him win though, I always liked him.

You?

Same scenario I'm afraid.

I mentioned this in another thread in the general. He done well hooking in from mid-range against Valuev, but Vlad (and that jab) are a whole different prospect. Plus all the injuries! I'm not too sure what to expect, but Vlad has gotta be the favouite.

Funnily enough I thought he came on strong against Skelton, and looked close to stopping him; I may have to watch that fight again.........but then again maybe not; it wasn't a great spectacle.

Still I think that Chagaev has probably the best boxing brain out of the current crop of HW's, so you never know, he might come up with something. Anyway, I don't think it will be Vlad-Ibragimov II as some were suggesting.

[GPater11093]

D-Mac could it not be said that Wlad is the cleverer (is that a word) boxer. He keeps the range and tempo under controll brillaintly and executes his game plans to perfection. I really dont see much Heavyweights having a better ring IQ. I think possibly Vitali is maybe a slightly better ring general as he has a very high workrate he imposes on opponents but dosent stick toa game plan aswell.

what do you guys think about Banks vs Butlin (who i interviewed today)

[McGrain]

McGrain i liked your theory you suggested before about beating Wlad is a case of controlling the tempo and ring generalship thats a great theory and a corrrect one i beleive. I dont think Chageav is the right guy to do it though.

Yeah, tempo and range, tempo and range. See, I think Chagaev has shown himself to be an excellent judge of range, and I also think he is more mobile than he generally gets credit for. But he can't fight the high tempo fight necessary for 12...can't see it.

Also McGrain Cotto or Clotttey

Well I got Cotto, but as I was saying earlier in a different thread - we find out about Cotto tonight. I felt he had lost a bit against Jennings, or maybe was just rusty or a little hesitant. Some beating he absorbed. That split second could cost him against a fighter like Clottey. But i'm picking Cotto.

[McGrain]

Still I think that Chagaev has probably the best boxing brain out of the current crop of HW's, so you never know, he might come up with something. Anyway, I don't think it will be Vlad-Ibragimov II as some were suggesting.

Yeah, he's smart enough to know the fight he is in. The thing is that he'll probably want to bring punches across himself whilst moving away from Wlad, so yeah, unfortunately, an Ibragimov clone is possible - but the difference is, Chagaev isn't stiff. He's coming to win, I believe. So he may have a box of tricks that'll allow him to make a change.

Let's hope so. Most of all the division needs a good fight...

[D-MAC]

D-Mac could it not be said that Wlad is the cleverer (is that a word) boxer. He keeps the range and tempo under controll brillaintly and executes his game plans to perfection. I really dont see much Heavyweights having a better ring IQ. I think possibly Vitali is maybe a slightly better ring general as he has a very high workrate he imposes on opponents but dosent stick toa game plan aswell.

what do you guys think about Banks vs Butlin (who i interviewed today)

Vlad probably is a very good ring general; the facts would back him up there I would say. I just always think he looks like a shit-scared school kid every time someone throws a punch back at him, seems to lose his cool completely. I prefer Chagaev, mainly because he is working at a physical disadvantage against the bigger HW's around. I think Chagaev works better under pressure as well; Skelton isn't top-notch by any means, but he put pressure on Chagaev early doors and Ruslan never looked uncomfortable.

I take your point though.

[GPater11093]

i just dont see Chageav controlling the range, he is an excellant judge of range but he has to get through Wladimirs jab to get to use it and that is a big ask. Well im being harsh he will get to use his distance judging by judging how far away he is from Wlad when the jab lands.

As for the tempo i agree i cant see him controlling the tempo for 12 rounds as Wlad is very very hard to controll the tempo against he really slows down a fight

i think it will be a good fight though intreseting maybe not a barnstormer but an intriguing taciacal affir

[McGrain]

i just dont see Chageav controlling the range, he is an excellant judge of range but he has to get through Wladimirs jab to get to use it and that is a big ask. Well im being harsh he will get to use his distance judging by judging how far away he is from Wlad when the jab lands.


Well it's a question of timing. In an ideal world Chagaev would look to move off, bring Wlad onto him, then close the distance suddenly with a hard punch and look to work off it. The thing is, Wlad has become almost impossible to bait and draw in. The jab, just like you said. And he's right, too, that's the right way for a man of his limitations and talents to fight.

Thing is, that's an Iggy two type fight. One trying to draw, a jabber refusing to be drawn. I'm interested to see what Chagaev does then, if this impass occurs. God help him if he's not come with a plan B, he will get royally fucked.

[GPater11093]

Vlad probably is a very good ring general; the facts would back him up there I would say. I just always think he looks like a shit-scared school kid every time someone throws a punch back at him, seems to lose his cool completely. I prefer Chagaev, mainly because he is working at a physical disadvantage against the bigger HW's around. I think Chagaev works better under pressure as well; Skelton isn't top-notch by any means, but he put pressure on Chagaev early doors and Ruslan never looked uncomfortable.

I take your point though.

Wlad does seem to panic when attacked but we havent seen it in a while so maybe he is over it. And as he controlls the range maybe he wont be in danger of too many shots coming his way. Also i have heard Wlad actually suffers panic attacks when he is attacked suddenly like the Sanders fight but i dont think Chageav is the type of fighter to cuse them though

Chageav works better under pressure but does Wlad really pressure a fight i think he is more a counter puncher hell stand in the middle of the ring jabbing all night or hell spend it backing up all night but not going forward

[GPater11093]

Well it's a question of timing. In an ideal world Chagaev would look to move off, bring Wlad onto him, then close the distance suddenly with a hard punch and look to work off it. The thing is, Wlad has become almost impossible to bait and draw in. The jab, just like you said. And he's right, too, that's the right way for a man of his limitations and talents to fight.

Thing is, that's an Iggy two type fight. One trying to draw, a jabber refusing to be drawn. I'm interested to see what Chagaev does then, if this impass occurs. God help him if he's not come with a plan B, he will get royally fucked.

Wlad is impossible to bait in as he does hardly ever actually pressure and i really dont see him falling into Chageavs traps as Manny will have it worked out not to do that and Wlad will follow his orders to the tee.

Wlad has to controll the fight with his jab as you say. As he dosent cope well under pressure but i see no reason why he cant actually let Chageav come forward at him. As Chageav is a very small Heavyweight and will have to come well in Klitschkos reach to land his own shots so he will be a prime target for an uppercut which would be damaging and maybe stop Chageav being so keen to come inside. However i think chageavs best bet is to get inside and stay inside and work away in range as Wlad is not an inside fighter and then he can really use his height to an advantage. I dont see his in and out style working here

[D-MAC]

Wlad does seem to panic when attacked but we havent seen it in a while so maybe he is over it. And as he controlls the range maybe he wont be in danger of too many shots coming his way. Also i have heard Wlad actually suffers panic attacks when he is attacked suddenly like the Sanders fight but i dont think Chageav is the type of fighter to cuse them though

Chageav works better under pressure but does Wlad really pressure a fight i think he is more a counter puncher hell stand in the middle of the ring jabbing all night or hell spend it backing up all night but not going forward

I'm not disputing that Vlad is the favourite in this one.

I just think that Chagaev is more of a thinking man's fighter, whereas Vlad uses his physical advantages to the max.....but in an intelligent way, if that makes sense. Sorry, the beers are starting to affect me.

[GPater11093]

I'm not disputing that Vlad is the favourite in this one.

I just think that Chagaev is more of a thinking man's fighter, whereas Vlad uses his physical advantages to the max.....but in an intelligent way, if that makes sense. Sorry, the beers are starting to affect me.

it makes sense ina weird way

Chageav thinks better in terms of being a fighter

whereas

Wladimir thinks better in terms of an athlete

im not even drinking and im not making sense

[GazOC]

Chags problem is that while he's waiting for "the right" time, Wlad is winning the rounds with his jab and he's quite happy doing that for 12 rounds if needs be.

[D-MAC]

Chags problem is that while he's waiting for "the right" time, Wlad is winning the rounds with his jab and he's quite happy doing that for 12 rounds if needs be.

That sums it up nicely:good

[GPater11093]

Chags problem is that while he's waiting for "the right" time, Wlad is winning the rounds with his jab and he's quite happy doing that for 12 rounds if needs be.

:good

That sums it up nicely:good

seconded

tht old fogy does speak sense sometime between wetting his bed sheets

[theuppercut]

chag and klit are fucking big welters eh?

[GazOC]

chag and klit are fucking big welters eh?

:lol:

Its this 24 hour weigh in rule, the fighters are rehydrating like crazy these days!!!

[GPater11093]

:rofl

t-45mins now lads

another welter-belter

Siddique vs Glover 2

[D-MAC]

chag and klit are fucking big welters eh?

Point taken:good

Although I think we've exhausted that area, unless anyone has anymore suggestions?

[GPater11093]

lets anaylse Cotto vs Clottey

i want to see your keys to victory for Cotto and Clottey

[GazOC]

Has Curry-McCrory had a mention? Between the 2 of them they'd completely cleaned out the top 10 at the weight but Currys complete destruction of the second best welterweight in the world was a great performance.

[GPater11093]

Cotto:

Has to work the body well from the start to bring down the guard of Clottey

Has to pace himself over the 12 rounds

Has to get inside Clotteys right hand with his left hook to the body

feint to try and find openings in Clotteys shell

Clottey:

Work every minute of every round, force Cotto out of his comfort zone

Use his tight guard to pick counters on Cotto

Work the body to slowly grind down Cotto

try and engage Cotto into a fight where Clottey can use his defence to cover up and look for counters and make Cotto use up energy

use feints to make Cotto lead and work

[theuppercut]

Cotto's mental strength for me. If Clottey unsettles him early and takes him out of his rhythm then it could be a long 12 rnds for Cotto. MC has to get rounds early on and try and make JC go to a plan b. And Cotto HAS TO STAY AWAY FROM THE FUCKING ROPES!

[GPater11093]

i think Cotto will start fast to establish his rythem as Clottey takes a while to do so.

Once Clottey starts establishing it and gets into the fight it will be tough for Cotto but his early lead should give him abit of confidence. But if he gets into deep waters will his corner know how to motivate him like his uncle did? will he have a warriors spirit or will he quit? can he stick to a gameplan?

its an intresting tacical affair that can be an total brawl aswell

Clottey has to keep the pressure ont though he needs to graft, graft and graft some more. he aint getting no rest in this fight he has to pound out the resitance of Cotto.

as for cotto on the ropes i know he got tired on them but he did some of his best work off of them