Name a fighter, then another who's style is closest.

[Robbi]

Ok, something slightly new. Name a fighter, then next to him put another fighter who's very similar style wise. You can only name two for each placement, not three or four. And it doesn't need to be great fighters in the same class as each other. A journeyman heavyweight might well be closest to Ali's style for example.

I'll have a go.......

Joe Louis and Alexis Arguello.

Pernell Whitaker and Stevie Johnson.

Ricardo Lopez and Juan Manuel Marquez.

[bladerunner]

Juan Manuel Marquez and Ricardo Lopez.

[GPater11093]

Daniel Zaragoza and Juan Manuel Marquez are a much more similar than Lopez and JMM IMO

Willie Pep and Jim Driscoll

[Addie]

Ok, something slightly new. Name a fighter, then next to him put another fighter who's very similar style wise. You can only name two for each placement, not three or four. And it doesn't need to be great fighters in the same class as each other. A journeyman heavyweight might well be closest to Ali's style for example.

I'll have a go.......

Joe Louis and Alexis Arguello.

Pernell Whitaker and Stevie Johnson.

Ricardo Lopez and Juan Manuel Marquez.

Andre Berto and Shane Mosley
Alexis Arguello and Carlos Zarate

[Sweet Pea]

Victor Galindez was like a stylistically inverted version of Miguel Canto IMO, albeit a much larger version.

[Quick Cash]

Daniel Zaragoza and Juan Manuel Marquez are a much more similar than Lopez and JMM IMO

I disagree. Zaragoza was much too dependent on his left hand power and threw his uppercuts far wider and wilder than Juan. I say Lopez-Marquez is a fair comparison although Ricardo had cracking hit power for his weight division.

[My2Sense]

Joe Louis and Ike Williams
Manny Pacquiao and Marvin Johnson
Barney Ross and Kid Gavilan
Winky Wright and Rocky Rocchigiani
Carlos Ortiz and Gus Lesnevich
Jimmy McLarnin and Kostya Tszyu

[vorapsak2002]

v klitschko and w klitschko

[My2Sense]

Henry Armstrong and Joe Frazier
Carlos Monzon and Michael Spinks

[GPater11093]

I disagree. Zaragoza was much too dependent on his left hand power and threw his uppercuts far wider and wilder than Juan. I say Lopez-Marquez is a fair comparison although Ricardo had cracking hit power for his weight division.

fair enough. All 3 of them are very very similar so its splitting hairs really, although you do make a valid point there about the wider shots.

Canzoneri and Fitzimmons
Basilio and Backus

[red cobra]

Victor Galindez was like a stylistically inverted version of Miguel Canto IMO, albeit a much larger version.
"Stylistically inverted?" Are you referring to the stylistic inversion of Galindez' own natural slugging, brawling style that he used to win the lightheavy title from Len Hutchins to that of a patient, lay back on the ropes and wait counterpunching style? Resembling Miguel Canto??

[Robbi]

Larry Holmes and Thomas Hearns.

[red cobra]

Carlos Monzon, and ONLY when he's at his very best, Vitali Klitschko, and there would be mostly superficicial resemblances, such as the effective use of height and reach, as V.K., as good a heavyweight as I've seen in recent year, Lennox Lewis excepted, isn't the overall master that Monzon was amongst the middles.

[red cobra]

Sammy Angott and Ernie Terrell.

[red cobra]

Maybe a bit of an obscure selection, but..Clemente Sanchez, a Mexican featherweight champion of the 70's, with a powerful right hand and virtually no chin..and Ingamar Johansson. Both, incidently lost by knockout in their first defenses.

[Xplosive]

Whitaker and Stevie Johnston had different styles completely.

An obvious one is JC Chavez and JL Castillo. Only Castillo was a VERY poor man's Chavez.

Joshua Clottey and Marlon Starling. Starling was way better though.

Carlos Ortiz fought a bit like Joe Louis. Except he didnt have the punch of Louis, but he was a more fluid boxer than the Brown Bomber.

[sweet_scientist]

Barney Ross and Oscar de la Hoya.

Henry Armstrong and Frankie ******.

Muhammad Ali and Jose Legra.

Duilio Loi and Santos Laciar.

German Torres and Jose Luis Ramirez.

Lupe Pintor and Jose Medel.

Benny Leonard and Tommy Loughran.

Jung Koo Chang and Roberto Duran.

[Mantequilla]

German torres is an underrated fighter.With his power, chin and steady aggression he'd be a very good underdog bet against carbajal or Lopez i think.


I can think of a few groups of fighters i'd consider very similar, not just pairs.


Ismael Laguna, Ernesto marcel and Eusebio Pedroza had very similar traits.

Rodolfo Gato Gonzalez, Jose Napoles and John Conteh.the last two even looked a lot like each other.

Howard Winstone and Masao Ohba

Jorge Ahumada and Galindez

Khaosai and Khaokor galaxy

Chatchai Sasakul and Daorung Chuvatana

Nana Konadu and Ike Quartey

Horacio Accavallo and Alberto Davila

Monzon and Cervantes to an extent, though Cervantes was nowhere near as good at fighting tall against fighters that made him lead.

Strictly defensively, Whitaker and Zapata used a lot of similar unorthodox angles and low crouching moves.Canto and Kalambay were quite similar as well, though all these fighters were a lot different offensively.

[JohnThomas1]

Thomas Hearns, Milton McCrory and Roger Mayweather, with the latter two being a poor man's version of the first.

[Robbi]

Thomas Hearns, Milton McCrory and Roger Mayweather, with the latter two being a poor man's version of the first.

I'd say that Roger and Floyd are more similar than Roger and Hearns.

[sweet_scientist]

German torres is an underrated fighter.With his power, chin and steady aggression he'd be a very good underdog bet against carbajal or Lopez i think.


I can think of a few groups of fighters i'd consider very similar, not just pairs.


Ismael Laguna, Ernesto marcel and Eusebio Pedroza had very similar traits.

Rodolfo Gato Gonzalez, Jose Napoles and John Conteh.the last two even looked a lot like each other.

Howard Winstone and Masao Ohba

Jorge Ahumada and Galindez

Khaosai and Khaokor galaxy

Chatchai Sasakul and Daorung Chuvatana

Nana Konadu and Ike Quartey

Horacio Accavallo and Alberto Davila

Monzon and Cervantes to an extent, though Cervantes was nowhere near as good at fighting tall against fighters that made him lead.

Strictly defensively, Whitaker and Zapata used a lot of similar unorthodox angles and low crouching moves.Canto and Kalambay were quite similar as well, though all these fighters were a lot different offensively.

Nice ones.:good

[Cobra33]

Anybody know of any fighters that had a similar style to Joey Archer?

[Xplosive]

Thomas Hearns, Milton McCrory and Roger Mayweather, with the latter two being a poor man's version of the first.

Hearns, McCrory, Hilmer Kenty, and Jimmy Paul all had the similar Kronk style. But obviously... Hearns was lightyears ahead of the other 3.

[MrSmall]

Mike Tyson and Floyd Patterson
I have no evidence for this.

[FromWithin]

JLC and JCC

[Mantequilla]

Anybody know of any fighters that had a similar style to Joey Archer?

Best bet is to stick ot the standup stylists and textbook boxer types.Buchanan, Winstone, Famechon, Kingpetch, Giardello etc..

Jim McDonell was kind of like a B level fighter version of him, but he's not in the class of any of the other fighters you could watch above.

[GPater11093]

Buchanan and Winstone are quite similar

[Xplosive]

Dejesus and Napoles

[ricardoparker93]

manny pacquiao and aaron pryor maybe?
Joshua clottey and Winky wright

[GPater11093]

young Pacquaio and Valero are very similar

[Robbi]

Joshua clottey and Winky wright

Can't see it with that pairing. :-(

[Xplosive]

manny pacquiao and aaron pryor maybe?
Joshua clottey and Winky wright

Only thing they have in common is the high defense. Wright was a southpaw with an excellent jab, a high workrate, good countering skills, and wasnt a choker. Clottey is a spurt fighter. And Clottey is nowhere near Wright's league.

And Pryor n Manny really arent very similar. There really hasnt been a fighter like Pryor. The Hawk was so unorthodox, and threw from so many different angles it was ridiculous. Everything about his style was so technically wrong, yet he made it work to his advantage.

[My2Sense]

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Ismael Laguna and Luis Rodriguez.


Anybody know of any fighters that had a similar style to Joey Archer?

Virgil Hill? Willie Pastrano? Manny Medina?

[teeto]

Barney Ross and Oscar de la Hoya.

Wow you nailed that SS.:good

There was a bit of Jose Napoles in Estean Dejesus for me, but i think the thing that separates them is the difference in ability/greatness, and hence an edge in favour of Napoles, and then as a derivative from that the fact that Napoles was not only better but in my opinion slightly more versatile effectively. But clearly Dejesus himself was quite complete in a stylistic sense if nothing else.

Carlos Monzon and Ivan Drago.

Joe Frazier and Dwight Muhammad Qawi.

Julio Cesar Chavez and Jose Luis Castillo when at their most effective, and yes everyone i'm aware that Chavez was more versatile by way of his ability to box with composure, but let's have this right, when they went on offense it was a strikingly similar approach.

Jimmy Carter and Ike Williams.


Harry Greb and Maxie Rosenbloom:lol: (kidding)

Has Tyson and Patterson been mentioned?

[teeto]

Fuk i've just read back and mine have been mentioned.

Honest!

[teeto]

For me Benny Lynch is like a primitive (i hate using that word) version of Erik Morales, in the sense that his approach to a fight is he is going to knock the shit out of you with a high work rate and a killer punch. The obvious evolution is clear in Morales of course.

For me Oscar De La Hoya is not a poor man's Kid Gavilan but a poverty stricken one, Gavilan doing eveything simply better.

[Bill Butcher]

Manny Pacquiao & Aaron Pryor

Not identical but similar in a lot of ways.

[Robbi]

Manny Pacquiao & Aaron Pryor

Not identical but similar in a lot of ways.

Slightly similar in terms of busyness and bouncing around within range, in and out, and throwing heavy stuff. Thats about it.

[Robbi]

Manny Pacquiao & Aaron Pryor.

Similar approach and volume, although technically different.

[GPater11093]

For me Benny Lynch is like a primitive (i hate using that word) version of Erik Morales, in the sense that his approach to a fight is he is going to knock the shit out of you with a high work rate and a killer punch. The obvious evolution is clear in Morales of course.

For me Oscar De La Hoya is not a poor man's Kid Gavilan but a poverty stricken one, Gavilan doing eveything simply better.

nice never though of Lynch and Morales. great choice

they both were skilled boxers who would knock you out and wanted too.

They used there skills and high workrate to destroy you then they would got to war.

I dont see the evolution though maybe Morales is a bit smoother but i think Lynch is the better fighter

[teeto]

nice never though of Lynch and Morales. great choice

they both were skilled boxers who would knock you out and wanted too.

They used there skills and high workrate to destroy you then they would got to war.

I dont see the evolution though maybe Morales is a bit smoother but i think Lynch is the better fighter
Thanks, you have to bring up the evolution thing round here otherwise you catch a lot of headaches in the form of everyone bombarding you because Lynch held his hands low, couldn't be arsed with it, it was late when i made that post!

[Sweet Pea]

"Stylistically inverted?" Are you referring to the stylistic inversion of Galindez' own natural slugging, brawling style that he used to win the lightheavy title from Len Hutchins to that of a patient, lay back on the ropes and wait counterpunching style? Resembling Miguel Canto??

He just looked like a bigger Miguel Canto in the ring. By stylistically inverted I mean that while he was more prone to slugging it out, he had the same stance, positioning, subtle slipping and counter-punching, and overall underrated technical skills, often reminiscent of Canto regard to his jab, positioning, and just the feel of his style. Again, by stylistically inverted I mean they both shared similar qualities, but chose to emphasize different aspects.

[Sweet Pea]

Willie Pep/Ralph Dupas/Willie Pastrano

Jose Napoles/Rodolfo Gonzalez

[teeto]

Switch Ken Buchanan's stance around and Joel Casamayor is not far removed. Both like to fight back when confronted with pressure, both emply lateral movement and both use quality boxing ability to dominate the centre of the ring with ring generalship, rather than 'running'

[GPater11093]

Thanks, you have to bring up the evolution thing round here otherwise you catch a lot of headaches in the form of everyone bombarding you because Lynch held his hands low, couldn't be arsed with it, it was late when i made that post!

yeh maybe an evolution as you say. infact certainly the gloves became bigger so more protection so they was used more for blocking.

However defncivly i say Lynch is better.

Switch Ken Buchanan's stance around and Joel Casamayor is not far removed. Both like to fight back when confronted with pressure, both emply lateral movement and both use quality boxing ability to dominate the centre of the ring with ring generalship, rather than 'running'

Kens not as dirty

(not saying much though)

But i see the comparison. good one never thought of it

[teeto]

yeh maybe an evolution as you say. infact certainly the gloves became bigger so more protection so they was used more for blocking.

However defncivly i say Lynch is better.



Kens not as dirty

(not saying much though)

But i see the comparison. good one never thought of it
I understand your saying of Lynch being better, however GPater, i must say it is only an opinion that can sided against by anyone willing to take up the opinion that Morales was better. Morales was great, truly. Wether his defence was lacking or not.

[GPater11093]

there not far off there both 2 great fighters. Morales is arguably greater as he had better longevity.

I am scottish though so i might be biased (but id like to think im generally not)

Im not saying Morales wasnt great or his defence lacking.

He didnt have the greatest defence but it served him well over the years. I do think Lynch was defensivly gifted though he had great reflexes

[teeto]

there not far off there both 2 great fighters. Morales is arguably greater as he had better longevity.

I am scottish though so i might be biased (but id like to think im generally not)

Im not saying Morales wasnt great or his defence lacking.

He didnt have the greatest defence but it served him well over the years. I do think Lynch was defensivly gifted though he had great reflexes

I knew that had a hand in all this, kidding

[Robbi]

This thread is proving to be more popular than I originally anticipated. :D

[teeto]

This thread is proving to be more popular than I originally anticipated. :D
Yeah i thought just the usual ones then people stop posting in it cos every time they do Sweet Pea dismantles their posts small detail by small detail.

Seems to be much fun though

[GPater11093]

I knew that had a hand in all this, kidding

i dont think im biased would like to see your guys views though

This thread is proving to be more popular than I originally anticipated. :D

its a great idea i love it, it gives a chance to see some fighters you like and maybe some fighters simllar to them you havent seen much of so you look out abit more for them

Yeah i thought just the usual ones then people stop posting in it cos every time they do Sweet Pea dismantles their posts small detail by small detail.

Seems to be much fun though

i hate it when Pea does that he does it alot to me. :fire

i like it really gets me thinking better knowing hes going to dissect me

[Sweet Pea]

Chatchai Sasakul and Daorung Chuvatana

You think so? I got the impression that Chuvatana was more of a pick his spots kind of fighter, who relied more on his timing than speed. He wasn't as quick or mobile as Sasakul, IMO.

[Mantequilla]

They just had a similar overall feel and cuteness to their work imo.hand positioning and defensive angles etc. and especially the straight leads often to the body and high angled counter hooks.

Like you said Sasakul had better feet though.Chuvatana relied more on his upperbody movement.

[JohnThomas1]

Hearns, McCrory, Hilmer Kenty, and Jimmy Paul all had the similar Kronk style. But obviously... Hearns was lightyears ahead of the other 3.

For sure mate, for sure. Roger M was also oft compared to a miniture Hearns when he first broke the scene due to his snapping jab and right cross as well as his often keeping his left hand low.

[SuzieQ49]

Many may disagree with this....but Vicente Saldivar and 1954-1955 version of Rocky Marciano?

[Mantequilla]

I think Saldivar was more like a southpaw Chavez\Don Curry cross technically.No wasted movement and great punchpicking and textbook combos from his boxing stance.he was very much a straight precision puncher.

Marciano was a lot more unorthodox imo, though they had a similar feel as far as the thudding debilitating power, late round surges and stocky physical strength goes.

[Bill Butcher]

I see some similarities between Arguello & Morales when Morales is in full BOXING mode, the upper body movement, their guard (tho Arguello`s is a bit tighter) & the way they throw their punches straight down the middle.
Not too much with the legs mind you, Morales had a bit more fluidity (not necessarily better, just more fluid)

[Sweet Pea]

Arguello had much better head and upper body movement than Morales.

[natonic]

Antonio Cervantes - Nana Konadu
Pernell Whitaker - Hilario Zapata
Roberto Duran - Orlando Canizales (anybody else see this? Maybe a stretch)
Wilfredo Gomez - Young Edwin Rosario (somebody else pointed this out a while back)
Alexis Arguello - Carlos Zarate

[Sweet Pea]

]Antonio Cervantes - Nana KonaduNever thought of it before, but when Cervantes boxed on his toes he certainly did have a lot of Konadu in him. Someone like Mark Breland as well.


Roberto Duran - Orlando Canizales (anybody else see this? Maybe a stretch)
Not a stretch at all IMO, based on what we've seen on film I think Canizales is one of the most impressive fighters I've watched at his best. He had quite a few similarities to Duran. Stylistically he was kinda like a Duran/Pep/Marquez hybrid. Sounds over the top, I know, but just from a stylistic point of view.


Wilfredo Gomez - Young Edwin Rosario (someone else pointed this out a while back)
;)

[Mantequilla]

I think i mentionedl a while back as well that Canizales quite often had shades of late'70s Duran.

Vuyani Bungu was a less talented Kalule in a lot of ways.

Naseem Hamed a ridiculous caricature of Herol Graham.

[Bill Butcher]

Arguello had much better head and upper body movement than Morales.

He did, Erik used his legs more than his body to avoid punches, he stood up straight too often, his defence is a tad underrated IMO but no doubt its the weakest part of his arsenal.

:good

[natonic]

[quote=natonic;4301913Never thought of it before, but when Cervantes boxed on his toes he certainly did have a lot of Konadu in him. Someone like Mark Breland as well.

Not a stretch at all IMO, based on what we've seen on film I think Canizales is one of the most impressive fighters I've watched at his best. He had quite a few similarities to Duran. Stylistically he was kinda like a Duran/Pep/Marquez hybrid. Sounds over the top, I know, but just from a stylistic point of view.

;)

LOL Pea. I should've known that was you that pointed out the Gomez, Young Rosario connection. Canizales = Duran/Pep/Marquez hybrid!! That's a lot to get my head around but I'll work on it. Very intruiging.

This is a cool topic. I always thought the Dejesus who beat Duran in the first fight had some Leonard-like qualities.

Lamotta - Mancini
It's been mentioned but all the Panamanians had a beautiful rythem: Pedroza, Laguna, Marcel and even Duran to an extent.
Muhammed Ali (mid late 70's) - Eddie Mustafa Muhammed

[pugilist_boyd]

roberto duran-jack dempsey

[pugilist_boyd]

tunney-mayweather

[My2Sense]

I've always thought Tony Canzoneri had a somewhat similar style as James Toney.