Mercer KO'd Sylvia in 9 seconds

[Aniki]

According to this PBP.

HOLY GODDAMN SHIT
Tim Sylvia threw one kick then Mercer unloaded a right that connected on Sylvia and he tumbled like a 500 lb tree in the woods, Sylvia fell over and it seemed like it was in slow motion.
MERCER BY KO @ 10 seconds in the first round. This place is a madhouse.


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[Polymath]

Is that site a good source?

[Aniki]

The rest of the fights are on there, but for some reason, I am still skeptical of that fight. LOL. If it turns out to be bullshit, I'll delete.

[Tuffnutz]

please let it be true. LMAO :lol:

[Tuffnutz]

under MMA rules.

It was Mercers 2nd MMA fight and he never even trained for it. :lol::rofl:rofl

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[Aniki]

We have another source.

Saturday, June 13 9:57 pm PT: Ray Mercer ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) stopped former UFC heavyweight champion Tim Sylvia ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) in just nine seconds, reports Sherdog.com's Brian Knapp.

An overhand right followed by two rights on the floor sealed the deal. More to follow.

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[Tuffnutz]

It was 9 seconds actually. lol

[freddy-wak]

vid or get the FUCK OUT

[Babality]

Guy tried to trade with Mercer? Or did he just get caught while trying to do something else?

[Pimp C]

Great fucking news! I always knew this guys were bums.

[painforall]

It was an MMA fight too, he knocked out Tim Sylvia tonight.

[Tuffnutz]

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[heehoo]

Proof?

[Flawless]

Please let it be true

[Tuffnutz]

Sorry, but this belongs in the boxing forum:lol:

Please put it back, mods. :yep

[PATSYS]

It was an MMA fight too, he knocked out Tim Sylvia tonight.

He had been knocked out of the by a UFC fight before, he lasted slightly longer than 10 seconds though.

[Pimp C]

Boxing > MMA and this proves it.:deal You got a guy like Mercer with no real experience in MMA beating one of their former champs. That shit would have happen in boxing it just goes to show you how unskilled these guys really are.

[rccwilliams]

No surprise there.

[Pimp C]

Sorry, but this belongs in the boxing forum:lol:

Please put it back, mods. :yep
I agree.

[Tuffnutz]

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[painforall]

He had been knocked out of the by a UFC fight before, he lasted slightly longer than 10 seconds though.

Mercer has never fought in the UFC but yeah keep making shit up.

[Tuffnutz]

A mod keeps moving all the fucking Mercer vs Sylvia threads to the MMAforum. :patsch

[Tuffnutz]

Mercer KOs Sylvia in 9 Seconds
By Sherdog.com Staff
Saturday, June 13 9:57 pm PT: Ray Mercer stopped former UFC heavyweight champion Tim Sylvia in just nine seconds, reports Sherdog.com's Brian Knapp.

An overhand right followed by two rights on the floor sealed the deal. More to follow.

[Aniki]

It was 9 seconds actually. lol

I knew the first source was BS! :rofl

[Tuffnutz]

I knew the first source was BS! :rofl
:lol:

[AJAX]

Sylvia lost the standup to a 43 wrestler Randy Couture....don't get to excited about this, but 9 secs, I thought he could last longer then that.

[Aniki]

Kimbo beat Mercer in MMA. Get out of here with that bullshit about boxing > MMA. More like Mercer > Sylvia.

[OuterDrake]

lmao

I was down about kongo..

But this raised my spirit to the max


And you still think a boxer can't make it in mma???

:rofl

[PATSYS]

Mercer has never fought in the UFC but yeah keep making shit up. Typo, I meant UFC fighter. The point is that it is an MMA fight, you seems to be not too smart to figure that out.

[OuterDrake]

New HW rankings:

1-Fedor
2-Ray Mercer
3-Brett Rogers
4-Josh Barnett
5-Frank Mir
6-Antonio Nogueira
7-Randy Couture
8-Mirko Crocop
9-Brock Lesnar
10-Andrei Arlovski

[1lehudson]

Its not a shock...MMA fighters would have a hard time getting to boxers. They will either get knocked out quickly or make the boxer tap later. I think that if you took the top 10 MMA guys and placed them in a ring with top boxers aroung thier weight its about a 70% chance that the MMA guy would get knocked out tring to get to the boxers body. But once there its about 100% chance they will make the boxer tap...Thats under MMA rules..Under Boxing rules not one MMA fighter would stand a chance which is why White would never allow Silva to fight Jones:good

[Tuffnutz]

New HW rankings:

1-Fedor
2-Ray Mercer
3-Brett Rogers
4-Josh Barnett
5-Frank Mir
6-Antonio Nogueira
7-Randy Couture
8-Mirko Crocop
9-Brock Lesnar
10-Andrei Arlovski
:yep:lol:

[painforall]

Typo, I meant UFC fighter. The point is that it is an MMA fight, you seems to be not too smart to figure that out.

STFU

You don't know shit, and when did he get knocked out again by a UFC fighter?

Yeah keep back peddling you ignorant kunt.

[brixtonbeat]

I'm going to be laughing about this for next 10 years.

[Tuffnutz]

Tim Sylvia is a top 10 ranked MMA heavyweight too.

MMA Weekly rank him at 6. :lol: [Only registered and activated users can see links]

[brixtonbeat]

This is absolutely hysterical. "Top Level Athletes"..."Pedigree".....LOL

[Tuffnutz]

Top 10 ranked too. [Only registered and activated users can see links]

[brixtonbeat]

bigger question. how many brains exploded tonight?

[Tuffnutz]

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[Chucky]

New HW rankings:

1-Fedor
2-Ray Mercer
3-Brett Rogers
4-Josh Barnett
5-Frank Mir
6-Antonio Nogueira
7-Randy Couture
8-Mirko Crocop
9-Brock Lesnar
10-Andrei Arlovski

:lol:

[OuterDrake]

New Avatar<<<

[Tuffnutz]

Tim-ber: Mercer KOs Sylvia in 9 Seconds

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[jrow]

lol....sylvia is done,he never beat anybody worth a damn any how....glad to see this

[Mankind]

:lol:

[Tuffnutz]

:lol:

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[Casa]

He lost to Kimbo.

[cpnasty]

Good shit

[Scar]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Flawless]

:rofl::rofl:

[Farmboxer]

???????????????

[Tuffnutz]

He lost to Kimbo.
There was a gentlemans agreement to keep the fight standing.

Which Bimbo pussed out on.

Tim Sylvia is a top 10 ranked heavyweight in MMA and Ray wooped him.

[Mankind]

He lost to Kimbo.\

So what? That was an MMa fight.
A oaf of a former MMA fighter thought he could outbox a former boxing champion and he got his ass kicked
:lol:faggit!

[paulfv]

9 freaking seconds. YES!!!

[AJAX]

It's good to see boxing fans being able to pat them selves on the back, he got kicked out of the UFC then Affliction didn't bring im back so he tries an mma fight with a boxer standing up. Tim sylvia is dilusional and thinks he is good he has lost 4 of his last 5 fights, so don't get to excited.

[Danger5]

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AHAHAHAHAH

[Casa]

\

So what? That was an MMa fight.
A oaf of a former MMA fighter thought he could outbox a former boxing champion and he got his ass kicked
:lol:faggit!

:patsch

[AJAX]

I'm going to be laughing about this for next 10 years.

u may need to get a life.:good

[Tony OldSchool]

It's one thing to use jiu-jitsu to beat a boxer, it's another to trade strikes.

[brixtonbeat]

It's good to see boxing fans being able to pat them selves on the back, he got kicked out of the UFC then Affliction didn't bring im back so he tries an mma fight with a boxer standing up. Tim sylvia is dilusional and thinks he is good he has lost 4 of his last 5 fights, so don't get to excited.

you are such a fucking fag.:deal

[Tuffnutz]

that was a damn bomb. :lol:

[AJAX]

Belive me most mma fans are glad to see that happen also, nobody get's tired of Tim getting his ass kicked. but that is quicker then his last fight, he made it over 20 secs in that fight.

[AJAX]

very good keyboard warrior :good

[Tuffnutz]

bump

[paulfv]

bump

YES! You have the avatar. I'm looking for it on YouTube, not up yet.

[paulfv]

Ok, I'm stupd and missed the first post :(

[Aniki]

Tim Sylvia is a top 10 ranked MMA heavyweight too.

MMA Weekly rank him at 6. :lol: [Only registered and activated users can see links]

MMA Weekly rankings are awful to begin with. Sylvia should have dropped from the top 10 after being destroyed by Fedor. Now he can't even be top 30. :lol:

[Tuffnutz]

ok, i'm stupd and missed the first post :(
:d

[doefler182]

that was a damn bomb. :lol:


you might have the greatest avatar i've seen in a great while right now lol

thank god timmy's finally out of our life, atleast for a while

[brixtonbeat]

Belive me most mma fans are glad to see that happen also, nobody get's tired of Tim getting his ass kicked. but that is quicker then his last fight, he made it over 20 secs in that fight.

mate. shut the fuck up with your attempt to minimize the loss. every mma homosexual on the planet was rooting for a quick and decisive Silvia victory.

the fact is, an aging geriatric ex-boxer absolutely embarrassed a current top-ten MMA "martial artist."

there isn't a top ten boxer from minimumweight to Heavyweight that this would happen too under queensbury rules.

[Chiko_Tech]

There was a gentlemans agreement to keep the fight standing.

Which Bimbo pussed out on.

Tim Sylvia is a top 10 ranked heavyweight in MMA and Ray wooped him.
Nahh this Tim Sylvia is had been losing to everyone recently. He is bum at mma

[waldoesj]

Dang, was sad to see Sylvia get ktfo like that. He seems a good guy having a rough past.

Props RAY :happy

[Aniki]

brixtonbeat, do you forget that Kimbo beat Mercer with ease? You shut the fuck up.

[JC2006]

This is great... especially after Sylvia was interviewed on SportsRage on Hardcore Sports Radio the other night, saying he was going to kick Mercer in the head and destroy him. Mercer is 106 years old and just violated a former UFC Heavyweight champion. HAHA.

[OuterDrake]

brixtonbeat, do you forget that Kimbo beat Mercer with ease? You shut the fuck up.

Stop trying to belittle Mercers achievement!:blurp

[Aniki]

Ignore the facts. :good

I see you changed your Kongo avatar quickly. Very smart of you.

[AJAX]

yeah, his boy Kongo just got his ass beat for 3 rounds badly so he changed it.

[scurlaruntings]

\

So what? That was an MMa fight.
A oaf of a former MMA fighter thought he could outbox a former boxing champion and he got his ass kicked
:lol:faggit!It was not. The bout was sanctioned as a boxing match. That failed because of bullshit promoters and then had to be sanctioned as a MMA match. There was a gentlemans rule between them tha they'd only box marquis of queensbury. As suspected Tim got KTFO :lol::lol::lol::lol:

[OuterDrake]

yeah, his boy Kongo just got his ass beat for 3 rounds badly so he changed it.


He knocked that bitch down on the stand up.So cain Did the next cowardly thing and wrestled him straight 3 rounds.

This is a temporary avatar btw.:blurp

[theunderdog]

timber!!!!

[scurlaruntings]

It's good to see boxing fans being able to pat them selves on the back, he got kicked out of the UFC then Affliction didn't bring im back so he tries an mma fight with a boxer standing up. Tim sylvia is dilusional and thinks he is good he has lost 4 of his last 5 fights, so don't get to excited.You didnt have a problem when he was YOUR poster boy. Why so salty? Matter of fact dont even bother to answer BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA

[brood3]

Nahh this Tim Sylvia is had been losing to everyone recently. He is bum at mma

Not really his only recent losses was to Couture and Fedor.

[MrMagic]

It was not. The bout was sanctioned as a boxing match. That failed because of bullshit promoters and then had to be sanctioned as a MMA match. There was a gentlemans rule between them tha they'd only box marquis of queensbury. As suspected Tim got KTFO :lol::lol::lol::lol:
The best part was that he kicked Ray right out the gate, and Ray responded kindly by knocking him unconscious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl:lol::rofl:lol:

[scurlaruntings]

The best part was that he kicked Ray right out the gate, and Ray responded kindly by knocking him unconscious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl:lol::rofl:lol:O how sweet it is. :happy

[elguapo]

as a former grappler i like and respect MMA............but boxing is the true ULTIMATE fighting, and as long as hardcore fans continue to show support, will always be!!!!!!:goodPEACE

[shdavistx]

49 YEAR OLD RAY MERCER, WHO LAST HELD A TITLE IN 1991 HAS DEFEATED FORMER UFC HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION FROM ONLY 2 YEARS AGO, 33 YEAR OLD TIME SYLVIA...

... in THE FIRST 9 SECONDS OF ROUND 1.

Tim Sylvia's intentions prior to this match were to represent MMA and show boxing up. LMAO. Didn't work out too well now did it?

I realize this was a joke fight and proves nothing to all the tapout nuthuggers about to hound me.. so chill out.

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[Tuffnutz]

It was not. The bout was sanctioned as a boxing match. That failed because of bullshit promoters and then had to be sanctioned as a MMA match. There was a gentlemans rule between them tha they'd only box marquis of queensbury. As suspected Tim got KTFO :lol::lol::lol::lol:
Tim leg kicked Mercer before the KO so he did'nt stick to the agreement, and still got KTFO.:lol:

[Scar]

Thanks for sharing, one punch BAM.

[scurlaruntings]

Tim leg kicked Mercer before the KO so he did'nt stick to the agreement, and still got KTFO.:lol:Yeah i saw it. What a muppet. Tim has no honour. He must feel like such a prick right now. Thats the first time his been KO'ed cold. I dont know why or why he thought it was a good idea to fight a boxer with his slow ass.

[Tuffnutz]

It was a joke fight because Mercer was expected to be destroyed. :lol:

[NeckBreaknAiken]

Damn that was cold!

[kadyo]

Nice win by mercer, hopes he gets back at kimbo slice LOL.

[NBT]

I dont know why or why he thought it was a good idea to fight a boxer with his slow ass.
Mercer being as old as Methuselah might have been a factor. :think

[painforall]

UFC fanboys must be on suicide right now, of course they will spin it and make it out like Timmey is a bum but the guy was their champ about 2 years ago.

That's like Ibragamov getting ko'd by Ken Shamrock in Boxing :)

[Leprikawn7]

He looked in better shape than the last time i saw him. This big dummy just walked into that punch!

[boxingcar]

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[boxingcar]

under MMA rules.

It was Mercers 2nd MMA fight and he never even trained for it. :lol::rofl:rofl

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It was a fantastic KO ! shows a fucking dumb Sylvia is.
It was so fucking simple...SHOOT for the legs...But he didn't.

It doesn't matter if it was under mma rules or not since the dumb fuck wanted to strike with him.

I predicted it

[Lights_Out]

very surprising

[vorapsak2002]

wow! what a punch!

[Ilesey]

Awesome! Most expected Ray to be brushed aside, but I'm glad he got the job done. He always had a dig on him. He should stop and go out on that win because he is in danger of getting hurt.

[Arka]

Funny. :lol: I guess that's always a possibility with a decent puncher. :D

[MexicanJew]

I know Sylvia was actually the favorite to supposedly steamroll Mercer and embarrass him, that sure as fuck didnt work out.

[Spunik]

Not surprising at all....even if you just watch boxing you can beat 90 % of those MMA bums....

[Clinton]

Mercer's a tough guy.I thought he beat Lennox.

[scurlaruntings]

The last thing a boxer espcially a heavy ever loses is his punch. That dickhead Tim should have known that. Then again maybe not. Tim just doesnt seem to get it. When will someone at Miltech tell him he really isnt as good as he thinks he is?

[JohnAkiBoa]

HA HA HA, This made my whole year, I dont care anymore what happens! CONGRATULATIONS Ray the merciless Mercer!

I hate those Glass Jaw MMA fags, that piece of shit Tried to make a name at beating Former old, totally shot hw-champ, punk Sylvia!:rofl

Mercer were there to be as a Lion's bait. He fucking destroyed that Glass Jawed Punk Sylvia, hahahhahaah:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

Go Mercer, you are one hell of a mean old bad ass:good

[boxingcar]

Saying that all boxing fans have shit for brains or are as dumb as creationists would be reductive.

But when you see threads like this
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& this
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It seriously makes you wonder. Are boxing fans all dumb as shit ? I doubt it , i myself am a huge K1, boxing & MMA fan. I appreciate all 3 sports. (though some combat sports detractors would argue that people who enjoy watching two human beings beating on each other have low IQs)

ANYWAY... , here's a reality check.

I'm not gonna pat myself on the back but i was actually thinking something like this would happen.

Why ? Here was my reason. (this was posted before the fight)
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and i quote: "something tells me he won't do that"


Sylvia is an absolute fucking moron , he couldn't do the job a bum like Kimbo slice could. It was pretty damn easy. He just had to take him on the ground but Noooooo...

It doesn't matter if he's an ex-ufc champion because an mmaer fighter who tries to play a boxer's game will be reduced as a bum.

Just like Mercer was vs Kimbo. (when a boxer tries to fight under mma rules) Of course , this fact becomes totally irrelevant if the said mma fighter tries to just attack a boxer standing...

Here's what Sylvia should've done.
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LISTEN to what Sylvia says at 0:19.

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His pride got in the way and he paid for it. Like i said in this post
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Even at his age , Mercer would easily own a huge majority of mma fighters and especially a slow striker like Sylvia. and it predictably happened.

However , this still doesn't invalidate the boxing vs mma fighter argument (that we had in this thread)
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Threadstarter , (Metal Man) , is clearly a moron and obviously what happened in this fight (mercer vs sylvia) will just further reinforce his own dumb convictions.

The way i see it , Mercer vs Sylvia perfectly illustrates what i was saying about Mayweather & the bums who would easily beat him in an instant (that is , under mma rules). & the opposite is also , valid. Anyone who tries to attack a boxer at his own game will be ridiculed.

Ironically , it didn't happened with Sylvia (who certainly has way more experience than Kimbo) , but it's because he went into this fight , thinking he could beat Mercer standing.

Any mma fighter who's fucking dumb enough not to take advantage of mma's lesser restrictive rules doesn't deserve any better.

it is pretty easy...
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But Sylvia had to do the contrary.

[scurlaruntings]

brixtonbeat, do you forget that Kimbo beat Mercer with ease? You shut the fuck up.Yes he did. UNDER MMA RULES. If that was Marquis of Queensbury im sure you know what the result would have been.

[scurlaruntings]

Along with Arlovskis loss to Rogers this really diminishs Fedors last two accomplishments.What kind of stupid fucking maths is that? Fedor has beaten 5 former UFC heavy champs. He destroyed both AA and Silva in under a round. AA and Silva were the UFC's heavy champs. Those were the guys Dana was touting as HIS champions in MMA and the best heavies on the planet. If anything it just exposes the shambles the UFC heavyweight division has always been. In no way shape or form does it take anything away from Fedor who done a job that cannot even be questioned. If that fight was under Boxing rules the result would have been the same. Thats the nature of the fight game ANYTHING can happen.

[J.R.]

Damn! :lol: Not a smart idea for an MMA fighter to stand up straight and try and box with a boxer.

Old ass Larry Holmes also reportedly KOed one of these MMA bums with only 5 punches in a sparring match.

[slugger408]

hmmmmm...well Tim was preparing for a boxing match and didn't learn up until recently that it was going to be a MMA match. that accounts for somthing i think

i remember preparing for a boxing smoker and hearing that the other fighter on the fight day didn't show up so had to do kickboxing. i had been boxing for a month up until then and could barely mannage myself to throw a kick

i was in that boxing mind state

also i've never seen Tim shoot for a takedown.

i don't want to take anything away from Mercer tho. he steped to his right away from Tim's power and Tim steped to his left towards Ray's power.

Ray reacted on instinct and landed a cross over Tim's jab

[slugger408]

Infact whats so ironic about this is Ray asked Tim to a gentlemans agreement to keep the fight boxing as thats what Ray had only been training for but Tim refused!
really? wow lol

i guess Timmy was just waiting to hit the flying scissor heel hook:lol:

[scurlaruntings]

It diminishes Fedors wins in the sense that AA and Timmeh were presented as respectable top 10 competition for Fedor to fight after his woeful competition of the previous two years. Now AA and TS have been humiliatingly destroyed by subpar opponents, taking off the sheen from Fedor's wins.

You can't deny if AA and TS had went on to defeat other highly ranked top 10 fighters then that would have enhanced Fedor's victorys over the two, so surely you have to admit the reverse of the wins being diminished.Garbage post.

[BoxingFanBG]

Tim Sylvia vs A. Arlovski for the "Rico Spadafora's GJJ (Glass Jawed Joke) title of the world".
Let's get it on:pop.

[barneyrub]

And it was an mma fight, was originally supposed to be a boxing match but was changed to mma rules 2 days before the fight. Ray beat a ufc champion at his own game !

[scurlaruntings]

Garbage poster.

And in other words you can't refute it. You lose.:lol: Wow your a real intellectual titan aye? What kind of backward ass logic is that? Why would i waste my time debating an academic point with a noob? Let me guess GSP must be a can because he got beat by Serra right? What Liddell he must be another can because he couldnt beat Jardine. The same Jardine who got destroyed by a shot Silva right?

You glibly ignore the volatility of the fight game to take away credence from Fedors victories when Fedor annihilated Tim in under 30 seconds and did the same with AA in just over a few minutes when they were the UFC's former heavy champs. I guess GSP might as well call it day. Idiot.

[ghostlybadge]

a flush punch from a heavy hitting former world champ in mma gloves when you have been proven to have a glass chin is not going to work out well.

great punch and good win

[maciek4]

Its good that Kimbo didnt box Mercer or he would have been knocked out as well.

[Irishbc]

Awesome! Most expected Ray to be brushed aside, but I'm glad he got the job done. He always had a dig on him. He should stop and go out on that win because he is in danger of getting hurt.

The only reason for thinking that is his age, Tim Sylvia always looked like a big, awkward, bumbling idiot in his standup.

[fabo1988]

a joke fight? i bet sylvia doesnt find it funny lol

[fra]

theres life in the old dog yet:lol::good

[Sheehan]

theres life in the old dog yet:lol::good

:lol:

[Irishbc]

Its good that Kimbo didnt box Mercer or he would have been knocked out as well.

Mercer connected with a good shot early and Kimbo immediately took him down, he thought "nah, dat hurt, ain't on da streets no more dog, ain't standin with dis *****".

[sir axeman]

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So this was a stepping stone to get into boxing hey? A rethink is in order methinks!

[valdez]

love that shit.. love boxing.

[sugarngold]

TIM-BERRRRR!!!

Heheh.

[Orishaman]

Liddell showed that GOOD PUNCHER has great advantages in MMA bouts....so I wasn't surprized at all!!

[robert ungurean]

Mercer's a tough guy.I thought he beat Lennox.
He did beat Lewis!:good

[sugarngold]

Good riddance to bad rubbish! So long Tim!

[Ubersteve]

Fedor is P4P #1, simply because on a head to head basis he'd beat anyone if they were the same weight as him.

[sitiyzal]

that was a damn bomb. :lol:

:roll: every ko punch is a bomb to you, no matter how lame.

[Tuffnutz]

:roll: every ko punch is a bomb to you, no matter how lame.
:p

[Heavyrighthand]

Good to see Ray's boxing past be so effective and drop Silva like a sack of potatoes.

That was so good to see.

GO RAY!

[Addie]

Hahahahahahahahah brilliant!

[Tuffnutz]

Even though i'm a big fan of both sprts that second thread link you posted was mine, because it was time for the boxing nuthuggers to have some fun.

All the years they've had to suffer Art Jimmerson jokes, and then this happens.

Lovely! :lol:

[sitiyzal]

"If Sylvia tries to box , Mercer will own his ass."

How did the ts work that one out? Genius.

...obviously you didn't know Sylvia "agreed" to keep it to boxing, tho he still threw a kick.

[tri-pod]

It diminishes Fedors wins in the sense that AA and Timmeh were presented as respectable top 10 competition for Fedor to fight after his woeful competition of the previous two years. Now AA and TS have been humiliatingly destroyed by subpar opponents, taking off the sheen from Fedor's wins.

You can't deny if AA and TS had went on to defeat other highly ranked top 10 fighters then that would have enhanced Fedor's victorys over the two, so surely you have to admit the reverse of the wins being diminished.

By your logic this means that Ray Mercer is in the same league of Fedor since he is fighting Fedor's competition. Does that mean since Kimbo Slice beat Ray Mercer and that lightheavy weight beat Kimbo they are both in Fedor's league?

[Pimp C]

It was a fantastic KO ! shows a fucking dumb Sylvia is.
It was so fucking simple...SHOOT for the legs...But he didn't.

It doesn't matter if it was under mma rules or not since the dumb fuck wanted to strike with him.

I predicted it

Fucking hilarious. This set back MMA 100 years. That guy got what he deserved and so did MMA fans with their constant bashing of boxing. If a young boxer with quick feet and blinding handspeed fought in the MMA he would dominate those bums:yep

[Addie]

Fucking hilarious. This set back MMA 100 years. That guy got what he deserved and so did MMA fans with their constant bashing of boxing. If a young boxer with quick feet and blinding handspeed fought in the MMA he would dominate those bums:yep

HAHA yup!

MMA enthusiasts will play it down, but a 48 year old 90s Heavyweight contender just steamrolled former UFC Heavyweight champion in a matter of seconds. Fantastic! :) Best news I've heard in ages, I've rewatched that video about 50 times. :good

[AJAX]

Props to Mercer for the quick devastating ko but Tim doesn't use a ground game anyhow so being an mma match was actually worse for Tim ,mercer still has power and Tim being a stationary target and 310lbs? what the hell is that.

[BoxingFanNo1]

Tim Sylvia is shit in my book anyway. This result don't mean much.

[HomicideHenry]

Sylvia's fault for taking himself out of his own element. Only a complete moron would believe that he can fight a world champion boxer's fight. Sylvia should have kicked, grappled, rather than give away all his strengths, to trade punches. BUT...it does show, in no way shape or form can even elite MMA guys beat a boxer in a battle of fisticuffs. In a boxing scenario, Fedor, Lesnar, Barnett, all of them would fall to Mercer, who hasn't seen his prime since 1995.

[Arka]

A mod keeps moving all the fucking Mercer vs Sylvia threads to the MMAforum. :patsch

Longcount ? :?

[HomicideHenry]

Tim made the gross mistake of wanting to trade punches, rather than use his strengths in kicking and grappling, simple as that. In a boxing scenario, Mercer would beat all the top MMA guys. But had Sylvia opted to kick and shoot from the start, Mercer would have lost. Tim's pride got the better of him, thinking he could beat the ex-ex-ex-ex-ex WBO champion in a battle of punches.

[ishy]

Was Sylvia really a top 10 MMA heavyweight before last night? :think

[Nuke]

Not suprised, mercer hit him with the same punch that Couture did 20 times. An overhand right, one punch KO. Its not like Mercer out boxed or out wrestled him. The bell rang Mercer threw one punch (a punch that has ALWAYS landed on Silvia) and it was over. Props to Mercer I guess but for being the only person to KO Silvia but not a real suprise. I think I can land the overhand right on that doofy fuker.

[thebrodstar]

Fuckin funny eh? I wonder what ol Timmy is going to do now. This whole fighting thing isn't working out for him right now lol.

[Addie]

Not suprised, mercer hit him with the same punch that Couture did 20 times. An overhand right, one punch KO. Its not like Mercer out boxed or out wrestled him. The bell rang Mercer threw one punch (a punch that has ALWAYS landed on Silvia) and it was over. Props to Mercer I guess but for being the only person to KO Silvia but not a real suprise. I think I can land the overhand right on that doofy fuker.

:happy 48 year old ex boxer just whooped on a top 10 rated MMA Heavyweight. HAHAHA! :good

[Zakman]

Sorry, but this belongs in the boxing forum:lol:

What for, this WWE crap isn't boxing, not even close. As Scar says it's human cockfighting. Shit like this has nothing to do with boxing.

Anyway, glad to see a former boxer 10 years or more past his prime showed what a JOKE this crap is.

[Nuke]

310lbs? Wow did Silvia even train? That is just shameful.

[Zakman]

That's what happens when you put these UFC bums in with real fighters, even one's who are YEARS beyond washed up. :lol:

[AJAX]

310lbs? Wow did Silvia even train? That is just shameful.

that's why I thought, and why does he think he has good standup and wants to box? Fedor sparked him, Couture outboxed him for 5 rounds and he thinks he can standup with a boxer??? As someone said above he got what he deserved.

[nfc90210]

Man, I normally try not to be negative but fuck Tim Slyvia and his ego. Kimbo Slice had enough sense to take Mercer down. Tim wants to stand and trade though.

[HomicideHenry]

Mixed Martial Artists are not bums Zakman, they are very well conditioned, trained athletes. Had Sylvia went to grapple and kick on Mercer, Ray wouldnt have made it out of that 1st round either. Look how easily Kimbo Slice beat Mercer via choke out. Had Sylvia opted to do all that, Mercer would have looked every bit his 45+ years and then some. These guys are every bit as legit and real as boxers, they are just under different elements of defense.

[HomicideHenry]

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So this was a stepping stone to get into boxing hey? A rethink is in order methinks!

No worse than when Archie Moore beat up wrestlers, hoping they would be stepping stones for bigger boxing matches, or Jack Dempsey beating wrestler Cowboy Luttrell thinking it would lead the way to a match with Joe Louis.

[Nuke]

:happy 48 year old ex boxer just whooped on a top 10 rated MMA Heavyweight. HAHAHA! :good


yea I know, what is your point?:patsch


Also landing one punch really technically ISN'T "whooping" someones butt. If he had beat on him for a minute or so then maybe you could say "whooped" but if you ask me I'd have said, Mercer sparked out Silvia. One punch KO how many times does that happen? I'd say ALOT.

[Addie]

yea I know, what is your point?:patsch

I think it's fantastic. :good

So happy when I read it on ESB.

[HomicideHenry]

What for, this WWE crap isn't boxing, not even close. As Scar says it's human cockfighting. Shit like this has nothing to do with boxing.

Anyway, glad to see a former boxer 10 years or more past his prime showed what a JOKE this crap is.

How is it a joke Zakman? These guys are world class athletes. If Sylvia opted to kick and shoot on Mercer, old Ray would have lost.

[Addie]

How is it a joke Zakman? These guys are world class athletes. If Sylvia opted to kick and shoot on Mercer, old Ray would have lost.

Sylvia never did that shit when he operated in UFC anyway. He stood toe to toe more often than not, and that got him to the championship on more than one occasion.

Old Mercer just showed the difference between striking in Boxing and striking in UFC. Whole different ball game.

[Zakman]

How is it a joke Zakman? These guys are world class athletes. If Sylvia opted to kick and shoot on Mercer, old Ray would have lost.

Come on Rufus, most of these guys have glass jaws, and this proves it. Force em to actually trade some punches, and what happens?? KTFO!!!

[HomicideHenry]

Well, I think you all better count your chickens before they hatch, because I know what this will lead to. Mercer vs Fedor, Mercer vs Arlovski, etc and what you will see the next time out is Mercer getting the shit kicked out of him---because this fight didnt prove shit, other than Sylvia making a calculated mistake of trying to trade with a former world champion boxer---simple as that. A grappler like Lesnar would throw Mercer around like a rag doll, and Fedor would slap an arm bar so fuckin fast Mercer wouldnt know what hit him.

[OuterDrake]

Sylvia's fault for taking himself out of his own element. Only a complete moron would believe that he can fight a world champion boxer's fight. Sylvia should have kicked, grappled, rather than give away all his strengths, to trade punches. BUT...it does show, in no way shape or form can even elite MMA guys beat a boxer in a battle of fisticuffs. In a boxing scenario, Fedor, Lesnar, Barnett, all of them would fall to Mercer, who hasn't seen his prime since 1995.

actually the video don't show that Tim threw a leg kick at mercer.Which made mercer stare at him with his hands down.

[Zakman]

Mixed Martial Artists are not bums Zakman, they are very well conditioned, trained athletes. Had Sylvia went to grapple and kick on Mercer, Ray wouldnt have made it out of that 1st round either. Look how easily Kimbo Slice beat Mercer via choke out. Had Sylvia opted to do all that, Mercer would have looked every bit his 45+ years and then some. These guys are every bit as legit and real as boxers, they are just under different elements of defense.

Sure, Rufus - but it's still boring as shit when they get on the floor and roll around for 5 minutes. At least in this fight some punches were thrown!!

[OuterDrake]

Boxingcar my thread was a joke,

but to say the fight doesn't mean nothing is insane.Tim threw a leg kick at mercer.

An you don't know if Tim didn't plan to take him down.The fight only lasted 9 seconds.

most mma fighters test their standup before initializing a takedown.

Mercer could have done that to anyone in mma who doesn't take him down in less than 9 seconds.

I'm now more convinced that Wlad could do the same to Fedor.

btw skelton is a kick boxer

[AJAX]

Tim is just getting more exposed every fight. It's time to get the hotdog cart.

[HomicideHenry]

Sure, Rufus - but it's still boring as shit when they get on the floor and roll around for 5 minutes. At least in this fight some punches were thrown!!

Maybe its just me then, but I can appreciate all forms of defense, not just boxing. When an arm bar is slapped on, a suplex is administered, a knee bar, a round house kick, I can see the excitement in each movement, as they are not spontaneous or wasted manuvers, like some boxers do wasting punches show boating around---its all methodical, is a cold blooded system. It can be dull, sure, but at the same token, I have seen boxing matches that were worse than watching paint dry.

[AnthonyJ74]

Sylvia's fault for taking himself out of his own element. Only a complete moron would believe that he can fight a world champion boxer's fight. Sylvia should have kicked, grappled, rather than give away all his strengths, to trade punches. BUT...it does show, in no way shape or form can even elite MMA guys beat a boxer in a battle of fisticuffs. In a boxing scenario, Fedor, Lesnar, Barnett, all of them would fall to Mercer, who hasn't seen his prime since 1995.

How do you know that Syliva didn't intend to do all of those things? I mean, the fight lasted less than 10 seconds. Was he supposed to attempt and execute all of those moves in that short time period? EVen if he did, how do you know he wouldn't have gotten cracked just like he did?

[BoxingFanNo1]

Mercer could have done that to anyone in mma who doesn't take him down in less than 9 seconds.

So you're measuring everyone in MMA's style and tactics to what Sylvia did?

Speechless.

What you should have said is if an MMA guy tries to trade with a boxer he'll most likely get blitzed, that's obvious. Most MMA fighters would feel the fight out at a safe distance before shooting.

Show me a boxer beating a top MMA fighter on the ground, only then will I be impressed.

[HomicideHenry]

Well, I think you all better count your chickens before they hatch, because I know what this will lead to. Mercer vs Fedor, Mercer vs Arlovski, etc and what you will see the next time out is Mercer getting the shit kicked out of him---because this fight didnt prove shit, other than Sylvia making a calculated mistake of trying to trade with a former world champion boxer---simple as that. A grappler like Lesnar would throw Mercer around like a rag doll, and Fedor would slap an arm bar so fuckin fast Mercer wouldnt know what hit him.


I'm bumping this, cus people need to get the point across, that this may as well have been a fluke victory. Fedor or Barnett or any of the top guys, if they went to grapple Mercer would beat him easily.

[codeman99998]

Its not a shock...MMA fighters would have a hard time getting to boxers. They will either get knocked out quickly or make the boxer tap later. I think that if you took the top 10 MMA guys and placed them in a ring with top boxers aroung thier weight its about a 70% chance that the MMA guy would get knocked out tring to get to the boxers body. But once there its about 100% chance they will make the boxer tap...Thats under MMA rules..Under Boxing rules not one MMA fighter would stand a chance which is why White would never allow Silva to fight Jones:good

Interesting. I wonder what equations you used to pull that 70% number right out of your ass?

[Jazzo]

Well, I am not much of an MMA basher, but this is genuinely amusing :yep

[AJAX]

Any time tim get's ktfo everybody is amused...including mma fans.

[Saints Fan]

In less than 10 seconds,48yr old man, kicked his ass. What a blow to MMA

[Hatesrats]

Mercer is one old man u don't want to mess with.
dudes like him hit hard until the casket drop's.

[iceman71]

LMAO
what the hell channel was it on?

[Ilesey]

That's funny as fuck. War Mercer!

[ChampionsForever]

Ray Mercer has been knocked down before.......he's clearly not Iron chinned :-(

[Jazzo]

Ray Mercer has been knocked down before.......he's clearly not Iron chinned :-(

True.

His chin was EXPOSED.

[Punisher33]

Ray Mercer has been knocked down before.......he's clearly not Iron chinned :-( He still has a very good chin, he was only knocked out later in his career after he turned 40, against Wlad in 02 and Briggs. Which are 2 of the heaviest hitting fighters in the division.

[AnthonyJ74]

People who want to compare Fedor to Mercer? Why not be fair and compare Fedor, who is the big shot in MMA, to a top heavyweight in boxing, one of the Klitschko brothers? Saying that Fedor would easily toss around Mercer is one thing; saying that he would do it to either Klitschko is something else. He might be able to do that, but his chances of doing so would be much less against either Klitschko brother than they would be against Ray Mercer. All these MMA guys would have to get close enough to the boxer to do their things.........I'm sure some boxers would get easily taken down and submitted; others would not. It's not like every boxer is just going to stand there, lead-footed and immobile, and just allow himself to be grabbed or tackled.

[AnthonyJ74]

He still has a very good chin, he was only knocked out later in his career after he turned 40, against Wlad in 02 and Briggs. Which are 2 of the heaviest hitting fighters in the division.

Mercer was never the most dangerous or the best striker in heavyweight boxing either. He was always very strong, very durable, and hard to hurt. He took some absolute bombs from Tommy Morrison, Lennox Lewis, and many other big hitters. He was outboxed by 42-year-old Larry Holmes in 1992, when Mercer was 31-years-old, but he has always been hard to hurt and/or knock down. Holyfield put him down, but that was more of a case of Mercer going down voluntarily to avoid Holyfield's brutal assault. Guys like Lennox Lewis, EVander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Riddick Bowe - those guys could really do damage to an MMA fighter if they connected cleanly. They were much more effective punchers than Mercer.

[Blue145]

People who want to compare Fedor to Mercer? Why not be fair and compare Fedor, who is the big shot in MMA, to a top heavyweight in boxing, one of the Klitschko brothers? Saying that Fedor would easily toss around Mercer is one thing; saying that he would do it to either Klitschko is something else. He might be able to do that, but his chances of doing so would be much less against either Klitschko brother than they would be against Ray Mercer. All these MMA guys would have to get close enough to the boxer to do their things.........I'm sure some boxers would get easily taken down and submitted; others would not. It's not like every boxer is just going to stand there, lead-footed and immobile, and just allow himself to be grabbed or tackled.

Fedor is black belt in judo and is mr. Sombo himself, if he gets close to someone who doesn't know how to react in a clinch he's fucking taking them down regardless of size.

I've thrown people in judo I have no right to throw because they make a mistake or don't react quick enough. I'd of liked to see Vitali in mma with his kickboxing background but with no skills on the ground, if taken down, they will be raped.

[Bill Butcher]

Dumb move to try stand with a boxer, he should have went for a takedown right away :rofl

[scurlaruntings]

Err, no you mongoloid, the comparisons are different. Is GSP a can because he was beaten by Serra. No. Did that call into question GSP? yes, it absolutley did, and people still have issues calling him P4P 1 because of that loss.

Secondly, Serra is a million miles more accomplished than Rogers or Mercer!

Because AA and TS were beaten so easily by sub-par competition it totally takes away from the sheen off Fedor's wins. If they had gone on to beat top 10 opponents after Fedors win, you and everyone else would claim that those wins would have enchaned Fedors wins.
So stop being hypocritical and go back to school, boy.

Your entire comparison and analogy falls apart.Yes of course i can your logic now. Serra a product of a reality TV show is more accomplished than an Olympic Gold Medalist and former World champion. Yeah makes perfect sense ya tool.

As for your Serra Rogers comparison more steaming dogshit. Every time Serra has stepped up his got owned. Penn Karo Shonie and Din all beat him. And the one time he got put in the ring vs GSP he owned GSP and made him tap from strikes. So far Rogers is what 10 and 0 in MMA now? So how does that make Serra a million miles from either of them? :roll:

Yet again you display the maths of a neanderthal. Lennox Lewis was KO'ed cold twice by SUB PAR opposition but guess what Sherlock LL is a top 10 heavy of all times. Ali whet life and death 3 times with Frazier. The same Frazier who was annihilated by Foreman. But Ali is the greatest of ALL times. What you completely fail to realise is that in MMA literally anything can happen boxing is no diffrent. And guess what! Thats the nature of the fight game. Now run along you knuckle dragging down syndrome retard.

[Pimp C]

How is it a joke Zakman? These guys are world class athletes. If Sylvia opted to kick and shoot on Mercer, old Ray would have lost.
That's just it they aren't world class. These guys are WWF washouts and ex college wrestlers and local wanna be tough guys with no skills they get a couple of tattoos and mohawks and people think they're badasses. It really shows you how gulliable some people really are who buy into this bullshit. If a guy with little to no experience like a 50 year old Mercer is able to dominate a former HW champ of the UFC that easily then you're not worldclass.:deal You would never see Silva come to boxing and beat an ex HW champ in a boxing match with little to no experience it just wouldn't happen in boxing but can happen in MMA because these guys are bums. I don't ever want to hear again that MMA > boxing.:nono If a guy like a prime Mike Tyson fought in the UFC he would be a terror and beat the shit outta everyone there easily with little or no training.

[sir axeman]

Some of those guys in MMA were really a joke though...Tank Abbot anyone? I know some of our heavyweights are fat...but? And I forget the other fatty in MMA/UFC...do they call him cabbage? Are we really supposed to see them as ultimate fighting athletes?

Guys like Jackson, Liddell, Couture etc are great fighters...and IMO would rape many a boxer in MMA rules...just thats it - two different sports...different rules and techniques. If either stepped into the others world they would most likely get their asses handed to 'em!! Or even more likely a new ass torn for them!

On the streets if they were to meet I'd fancy the MMA guy to get the win as a boxer would just get taken down and raped. The boxer has no ground game so is onto a loser unless he can connect with a KO punch on the counter as the MMA comes in for the takedown. Look at Mercer vs Slice...who really thought Kimbo would box? He may have tried a few seconds then realised "I got no chance here best get him on the floor quick!"

If they ever were to meet again in a boxing ring who from MMA would you bank on beating even a wrinkly old shot to pieces Mercer? For me its a definate NONE!

[scurlaruntings]

Oh dear, I hate to break it to you, but comparing fighters and their victory's isn't mathematics. I know that is incomrehensible to a missing link gorilla like you that probably has no clue about even the most basic fundamentals of maths, but hey, you've just learned something new!

Am I saying Fedor is a bum? Am I saying Fedor is not number 1 heavy? No and No. I'm saying that his last two wins don't look so good now.

Now please run along and get an education, you disgusting failed abortion.:lol::lol::lol: Wow that post actually made me laugh. SUPER FAIL. :lol::lol:

[Spunik]

Tyson probably could have been the best at any one on one contest.

Except, I would favor Karelin to beat him in Greco Roman wrestling.

I can't think of a heavy weight MMA guy to beat Tyson, even if he never had training. Because he'd just punch them in the face.

[PopeJackson]

under MMA rules.

It was Mercers 2nd MMA fight and he never even trained for it. :lol::rofl:rofl

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:yep Glass jawed MMA faggot.

[Ubersteve]

Tyson probably could have been the best at any one on one contest.

Except, I would favor Karelin to beat him in Greco Roman wrestling.

I can't think of a heavy weight MMA guy to beat Tyson, even if he never had training. Because he'd just punch them in the face.

Biggest :patsch in history.

[Vitor Belfort]

damn i just saw it in the news. lol sylvia's big azz got KO :rofl

[Spunik]

Biggest :patsch in history.

that's quite a compliment since I was trying to be a bit sardonic.....:good

[Bokaj]

Guys like Jackson, Liddell, Couture etc are great fighters...and IMO would rape many a boxer in MMA rules...just thats it - two different sports...different rules and techniques. If either stepped into the others world they would most likely get their asses handed to 'em!! Or even more likely a new ass torn for them!

True. But a still active boxer that's just a couple of years away from being champ would NEVER EVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES lose a boxing match to an ex-MMA champ who's close to 20 years past his prime. Certainly not the way Sylvia got owned by Mercer. It's just impossible.

[cdnboxing]

I've said this before and it turned out I was right. But of course MMA fans didnt believe me.

A boxer can KO an elite MMA'er depending on the stylistic matchup.

An MMA'er CANNOT beat an elite boxer in boxing under any circumstance.

This is an epic win for Mercer. Sylvia is a year removed from fighting Fedor, Noguiera's of the world.

[Rico Spadafora]

What a Glass Jawed joke Sylvia is. How old is Mercer? 50?

[québecwarrior]

What a stupid big fat motherfucker. Shame on Sylvia.

[purplestuff]

its good that something like this happens.

as mma has grown over the last couple of years its fanbase and commentators have become increasingly critical of boxing. hell most mma fans and writers think of boxing as a couple of guys punching each other with pillows on the fist. hell mike goldberg even went as far as to state "you know roy jones jr. respects forrest griffins hands".

if im exclusively an mma fan what makes this mercer victory particularly painful for me is the fact that mercer is almost 2 decades past his prime and is absolutely shot to bits, meanwhile sylvia is a top mma heavyweight(though im sure most in the mma community will now claim that he was never that good, these same people thought he was awesome win fedor beat him, thus making fedor a god like figure)

boxing along with traditional martial arts have been gettin trashed for too long. hopefully boxing stock will go up with mma fans, practitioners, commentators etc with mercers win over silvia, much like karate's stock soared after machida's win over evans.

ps you should see some of the reactions on the mma forums over this, absolutely freakin priceless.

[HomicideHenry]

Tyson probably could have been the best at any one on one contest.

Except, I would favor Karelin to beat him in Greco Roman wrestling.

I can't think of a heavy weight MMA guy to beat Tyson, even if he never had training. Because he'd just punch them in the face.

In his prime Tyson was offered to fight Royce Gracie, but it never happened. Tyson was also offered to fight Bob Sapp and Rick Roufus, and it never happened. I dont think Tyson wanted no part of it.

[scurlaruntings]

Mike offered to fight Sapp under Queensbury rules. The fight was nothing more than hoopla and never materialised. Mike was a succesful boxer. Why would he waste his time in MMA??!?!?!?1

[purplestuff]

In his prime Tyson was offered to fight Royce Gracie, but it never happened. Tyson was also offered to fight Bob Sapp and Rick Roufus, and it never happened. I dont think Tyson wanted no part of it.


of course he wouldnt fight gracie at the time, nobody knew who the hell he was back then. im sure alot of people from the martial arts community back in the late 80's early-mid nineties were challenging mike tyson. if im mike, why would i take these challenges? i have nothing to gain monetarilly or legacy wise, only the respect of a few MA practitioners.

[HomicideHenry]

fact of business....Tyson would get his ass kicked, even if he lost 80 pounds and got down to 220 pounds....this fight was a FLUKE....mark my words, the next MMA opponent Mercer faces will make Mercer submit!

[Zakman]

its good that something like this happens.

as mma has grown over the last couple of years its fanbase and commentators have become increasingly critical of boxing. hell most mma fans and writers think of boxing as a couple of guys punching each other with pillows on the fist. hell mike goldberg even went as far as to state "you know roy jones jr. respects forrest griffins hands".

if im exclusively an mma fan what makes this mercer victory particularly painful for me is the fact that mercer is almost 2 decades past his prime and is absolutely shot to bits, meanwhile sylvia is a top mma heavyweight(though im sure most in the mma community will now claim that he was never that good, these same people thought he was awesome win fedor beat him, thus making fedor a god like figure)

ps you should see some of the reactions on the mma forums over this, absolutely freakin priceless.

Oh, man I can only imagine.:lol: This should settle the debate about which is a better sport. A shot boxer blows away one of the top guys in this WWF-style farce. Pretty much seals the deal.:yep

[1lehudson]

Belive me most mma fans are glad to see that happen also, nobody get's tired of Tim getting his ass kicked. but that is quicker then his last fight, he made it over 20 secs in that fight.Look dude, its more to it then that cat being done as you keep saying...every single MMA fight I have ever seen fight throws wide looping punches, vs a boxer that will get you knocked the fuck out as it did in this case. Watching from the back you barely saw Rays arm, then BOOM..

BTW you do know that Ray is about 50 years old dont you:hey And is beyond shot...What happened was a top MMA fighter got knocked out by a 50 year old former boxer that was never even a champion, merely a top contender.

[Fatboy]

Zakman. Only my second post here but I have to reply to you. I have been a huge boxing fan for nearly 30 years BUT I also watch MMA. They are completely different sports so stop trying to make out one is better than the other. Comparing MMA to Professional Wrestling is also ill-informed. There is no comparison. I am astounded by the amount of negativity on this and other forums towards MMA. Not everyone has to like it but lets have intelligent conversations about combat sports. I would have thought that everyones top concern at the moment would be th impending Setanta crisis which would affect Boxing as well as UFC and ITV's decision to stop broadcasting boxing at the end of the year.

[Zakman]

Zakman. Only my second post here but I have to reply to you. I have been a huge boxing fan for nearly 30 years BUT I also watch MMA. They are completely different sports so stop trying to make out one is better than the other. Comparing MMA to Professional Wrestling is also ill-informed. There is no comparison. I am astounded by the amount of negativity on this and other forums towards MMA. Not everyone has to like it but lets have intelligent conversations about combat sports. I would have thought that everyones top concern at the moment would be th impending Setanta crisis which would affect Boxing as well as UFC and ITV's decision to stop broadcasting boxing at the end of the year.

Interesting. You must be around my age, I've been following boxing for about 30 years myself. Here's the deal - this stuff is encroaching into the boxing market, and that is bad for the sport. The kids are getting attracted to this garbage - (why I don't know, I'd rather watch paint dry than watch a couple of guys roll around on the ground - and it's a danger to my beloved sport of boxing. You have people like that JERK Dana White trashing boxing, and then all these punk kids who wouldn't know Sugar Ray Robinson from Sugar Ray Leonard touting this shit as better than boxing. It's even polluting my boxing websites and boxing magazines!! Believe me, there are good reason boxing fans are POd about this shit.

[Boinko]

One thing that is funny about this thread is that a lot of the boxing fans seem to think that the MMA fans in this forum are heartbroken over this and feel their sport has been diminished somehow.
But most of the people on here who enjoy MMA are first and foremost boxing fans. Why would anyone who isn't a boxing fan be on ESB anyways? I like both boxing and MMA, and don't really care what happened in this fight. It's not going to stop me from enjoying either sport. Nor will it change my opinion on which sport is better. Because I don't make judgments like that anyways.
When Kimbo beat Mercer I read nothing into that either.

Granted, if there were hardcore MMA fans bashing boxing before this fight, then I hope they are eating crow today. Because I hate when people bash boxing who know very little about the sport. Especially when boxing skill is a big part of MMA. Similar, I hate when boxing fans make uneducated criticisms about MMA. No one says you have to like a sport, but if you're going to express an opinion on it, at least do some research.

And there's one really easy way to avoid talking about MMA on this forum. Don't visit the MMA section. Granted, sometimes MMA related threads get started in the boxing section, but they usually get moved pretty quick. (although this one could have been in either, so it's an exception).

[HomicideHenry]

Thing is, as far as the 'rasslin' talk is concerned, Lesnar and Choi and Lashley and others involved in MMA today, though having pro wrestling experience, they were at one time durable, capable, world level amateur wrestlers---there is no questioning that---the best example I can think of in case of martial arts/boxing may have been Gene LeBell in the 1950's or 60's taking on Milo Savage in a mma match. LeBell, though a professional wrestler, was also a world class Judo competitor, and Savage was a world ranked middleweight boxer. LeBell beat Savage via choke out in the 2nd or 3rd round.

As far as calling some of these pro wrestlers fake, I point to Dan Hodge. Now that was a man years ahead of his time---as he was both an Olympic medalist in amateur wrestling and later crossed over into boxing, until losing to Nino Valdes, retiring saying that boxing was a corrupt and too political---then he became a professional wrestler. Hodge, every now and then, would do boxing matches with his fellow wrestlers, such as Ronnie Garvin and would knock them out quickly. To a degree, I suppose he is a fore runner to what mma competitors would be today.

Fact of business, at least in today's media, Lesnar and Lashley get the push more so than others because they are more known to the public than most of the MMA stars, as they have been on network tv for years as pro wrestling stars. They are more noticable, marketable, than say a Chiek Kongo or whomever you wish to name.

Its kind of like how boxing is now, when you ask the public 'Do you know who Wladimir Klitschko is?' and most people who dont follow the sport couldnt tell you---but they know who Holyfield and Tyson and Foreman are! Remember the talk of Holyfield-Tyson 3 not so long ago? Had that match went ahead, its a given that those two, though passed their best, probably would have drawn in bigger ppv numbers than Klitschko/Ibragimov did. Why? Because the public knows who they are---same as they know Lesnar and Lashley---and while they may have been given the push sooner than they should have in MMA [Lesnar won the UFC title in his 3rd match ffs, when he should have earned his way there] they are in FACT true athletes in every sense of the word.

[cdnboxing]

In his prime Tyson was offered to fight Royce Gracie, but it never happened. Tyson was also offered to fight Bob Sapp and Rick Roufus, and it never happened. I dont think Tyson wanted no part of it.

My god, it was K-1 who wanted no part of Tyson/Sapp. Sapp was K-1's posterboy, he would have got absolutely smashed. Sapp was a fake fighter, Tyson was a real fighter.

It wouldnt have even been competitive. It would be a god damn fatality.

[cdnboxing]

fact of business....Tyson would get his ass kicked, even if he lost 80 pounds and got down to 220 pounds....this fight was a FLUKE....mark my words, the next MMA opponent Mercer faces will make Mercer submit!

A 48 year old boxing legend KO'ing Tim Sylvia is a fluke. Thats gotta be the dumbest thing ive ever heard.

Mercer KO'd Sylvia because hes a better striker than him even at the age of 48.

Who cares if Mercer gets submitted in his next fight, the guy doesnt even train, hes 48 god damn years old, is washed up, past his prime, slow, uncoordinated. He just shouldnt be fighting.

Whats hilarious is that MMA/Sylvia tried to cash in on Mercers name and than they change the rules of the fight 2 days before the bout which is chicken shit. And Mercer made them pay.... in a big way. Good on Mercer.

[Boinko]

Whats hilarious is that MMA/Sylvia tried to cash in on Mercers name and than they change the rules of the fight 2 days before the bout which is chicken shit. And Mercer made them pay.... in a big way. Good on Mercer.

This is what boggles my mind. Did Sylvia actually think a win over a 48 year boxer who is far removed from his prime was going to be perceived as a big victory? I think most people would dismiss such a victory because of Mercer's age. It was a no win situation for Sylvia.
The fact that he lost in such quick and devastating fashion just makes it worse for him.

[HomicideHenry]

My god, it was K-1 who wanted no part of Tyson/Sapp. Sapp was K-1's posterboy, he would have got absolutely smashed. Sapp was a fake fighter, Tyson was a real fighter.

It wouldnt have even been competitive. It would be a god damn fatality.

If that was the case, why did K-1 after that run in with Sapp, promote Tyson for a while?

[scurlaruntings]

If that was the case, why did K-1 after that run in with Sapp, promote Tyson for a while?They didnt. That was nothing more than hotair. Mike never signed with the K1.

[Fatboy]

Interesting. You must be around my age, I've been following boxing for about 30 years myself. Here's the deal - this stuff is encroaching into the boxing market, and that is bad for the sport. The kids are getting attracted to this garbage - (why I don't know, I'd rather watch paint dry than watch a couple of guys roll around on the ground - and it's a danger to my beloved sport of boxing. You have people like that JERK Dana White trashing boxing, and then all these punk kids who wouldn't know Sugar Ray Robinson from Sugar Ray Leonard touting this shit as better than boxing. It's even polluting my boxing websites and boxing magazines!! Believe me, there are good reason boxing fans are POd about this shit.
Zakman, Only just got round to replying to you. Thankyou for an honest reply. I got into boxing at age 11. My father and grandfather were both boxers in the army so I was introduced at an early age. While I understand your frustration, you have to understand MMA a little more. When I was first introduced I could not understand the groundwork. It did look to all purposes like two men rolling around on the floor. But over the last two years I have tried to understand what happens. I now train MMA as well as boxing (just for fitness, not for competition), and by MMA I also mean stick and staff fighting and Hapkido which is joint locking (do not think MMA is just what you see on UFC etc). Once you have been choked or leg locked etc you do understand more what 'the two guys' are trying to do. Believe me it is nothing like WWE. I often now comprehend what an MMA fighter is trying to accomplish when taking a fight to the ground.

I'm sure that there are "fans" out there that think that following MMA is the in thing, and while that is a shame it is the norm in all walks of life. As you appear to be someone of a similar age to me I ask you not to take everything you see or hear at face value.

Boxing will always be around. I have just tried to expand my knowledge of combat sports, some styles of which, have been around for many centuries. Actually, training in Hapkido has actually improved my stance and footwork when sparring. Best Wishes

[Polymath]

Thing is, as far as the 'rasslin' talk is concerned, Lesnar and Choi and Lashley and others involved in MMA today, though having pro wrestling experience, they were at one time durable, capable, world level amateur wrestlers---there is no questioning that---

Thats simply not true.

Lesnar was an NCAA D1 Champion, but never world class.

Lashley wasn't even an exceptional college wrestler.

Choi competed in some sort of Sumo like competition in Korea, and wasn't really a wrestler at all.

[Bokaj]

An MMA'er CANNOT beat an elite boxer in boxing under any circumstance.

Well, Sylvia would always have a puncher's chance against Pac ... if you nail Pac's feet to the canvas. :D

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

This is surprising? Tim Sylvia is a joke. He doesn't have any skill set that is top notch.

[Boinko]

A boxer can KO an elite MMA'er depending on the stylistic matchup.

An MMA'er CANNOT beat an elite boxer in boxing under any circumstance.


Are there really MMA fans on ESB refuting this? Go over to Sherdog and you'll inevitably find a few, but the MMA fans on this site have always seemed to be pretty logical when comparing the two sports.
There are definitely matchups where a boxer would be way over his head if he was facing a guy with a great ground game.
But, I think most of us can agree that some MMA fighters are more comfortable standing up, and like Sylvia, would find their night being a short one if they chose to trade with a boxer.

It sometimes seems that us boxing and MMA fans get lectured by boxing only fans about things we probably already agree upon.

[Boinko]

I never visit the MMA forum on ESB through principal. Damn - is anyone moderating it?

If someone doesn't want to discuss MMA on this site, then it's pretty simple. They don't have to visit the MMA forum, just as you have stated.

However, there's lots of times when MMA bashing threads get started by haters, not only in this forum, but the boxing forum as well.
So, the guys who claim to hate MMA and don't want it to "pollute" this board, seem to revel in opportunities to bash it.

Just ignore it. It's simple to do.

[Spunik]

This is surprising? Tim Sylvia is a joke. He doesn't have any skill set that is top notch.

Competitive eating? He could not have looked more out of shape vs. Mercer.....not that he was ever a physical specimen but :-(

[DamonD]

Considering how over-the-hill Mercer is, that's pretty damn embarrassing.

Sylvia's best days are well behind him too, though.

[EpsilonAxis]

Congratulations to Mercer. Amazing he could do that pushing 50.

I am actually surprised he was in such good shape for an old man. Mercer is an army man, though...some of those guys stay hard their entire lives.

Mercer was always a guy who was so close to being champ but never had that last bit. He was extremely strong, had a fantastic jab, very good power (but not 1 punch KO...kinda similar to Vitali, actually) and arguably the best chin ever for a HW (even though later in his career it was shattered).

He earned a late career KO like that. Mercer was and always will be the man!

[EpsilonAxis]

And watching the replay...it is just a beautiful right hand...the kind of punch you really need a boxing background to throw. Right down the middle, counter right hand. A thing of beauty. :good

[Bokaj]

Considering how over-the-hill Mercer is, that's pretty damn embarrassing.

Sylvia's best days are well behind him too, though.

It's not even comparable. Sylvia is at the same stage in his career that Mercer was 10-15 years ago and he's more than 15 years younger. Sure, Sylvia is past it, but Mercer is miles and miles beyond shot.

[québecwarrior]

It's not even comparable. Sylvia is at the same stage in his career that Mercer was 10-15 years ago and he's more than 15 years younger. Sure, Sylvia is past it, but Mercer is miles and miles beyond shot.
yeah

Sylvia was still 50 lbs overweight.

fat SOB

[Rattler]

Boxing > MMA and this proves it.:deal You got a guy like Mercer with no real experience in MMA beating one of their former champs. That shit would have happen in boxing it just goes to show you how unskilled these guys really are.

Don't be a fag; it proves nothing. Sylvia came in grossly out of shape, meaning he didn't have any respect for Mercer and decided to do what even Kimbo Slice wasn't stupid enough to do, try to strike for a bit with a boxer. Mercer gave a shit and has a punch and it worked against a fat slob who didn't prepare for his opponent properly. That's all it was.

[cdnboxing]

The Kimbo/Mercer "exhibition match" was pretty damn close to being considered a work.

[Zakman]

Zakman, Only just got round to replying to you. Thankyou for an honest reply. I got into boxing at age 11. My father and grandfather were both boxers in the army so I was introduced at an early age. While I understand your frustration, you have to understand MMA a little more. When I was first introduced I could not understand the groundwork. It did look to all purposes like two men rolling around on the floor. But over the last two years I have tried to understand what happens. I now train MMA as well as boxing (just for fitness, not for competition), and by MMA I also mean stick and staff fighting and Hapkido which is joint locking (do not think MMA is just what you see on UFC etc). Once you have been choked or leg locked etc you do understand more what 'the two guys' are trying to do. Believe me it is nothing like WWE. I often now comprehend what an MMA fighter is trying to accomplish when taking a fight to the ground.

I'm sure that there are "fans" out there that think that following MMA is the in thing, and while that is a shame it is the norm in all walks of life. As you appear to be someone of a similar age to me I ask you not to take everything you see or hear at face value.

Boxing will always be around. I have just tried to expand my knowledge of combat sports, some styles of which, have been around for many centuries. Actually, training in Hapkido has actually improved my stance and footwork when sparring. Best Wishes

Well, if you have an interest in it and want to train, that's fine - I am sure it is a healthy athletic endeavor. I have nothing against that. My objection has more to do with the use of it as entertainment, and the continued attacks of its purveyors on boxing. IMO, these jerks - that Dana White bonehead in particular - have a lot of nerve attacking such a far superior sport, with such a fine history as boxing.

And now, they have a some serious egg on their faces. No matter what they do, they will never succeed in replacing boxing. Their product is simply not entertaining enough - which is why they dress it up with all this WWF-like bullshit. Sorry, but two guys rolling around on the ground is pretty damn boring to watch. It may require some skill, but it is frightfully dull as a form of entertaining. Boxing has - and always will - kick its ass in terms of excitement.

[OuterDrake]

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[scurlaruntings]

The Kimbo/Mercer "exhibition match" was pretty damn close to being considered a work.Yeah im sure it was. :roll: You might want to watch the end of the fight when Mercer gets pulled of Kimbo...

[sitiyzal]

Don't be a fag; it proves nothing. Sylvia came in grossly out of shape, meaning he didn't have any respect for Mercer and decided to do what even Kimbo Slice wasn't stupid enough to do, try to strike for a bit with a boxer. Mercer gave a shit and has a punch and it worked against a fat slob who didn't prepare for his opponent properly. That's all it was.

uhm, Kimbo actually stood & traded with Mercer longer than the Sylvia fight even lasted. When Kimbo realized that trying to pound Mercer was fruitless he took him down.

Sylvia was a hesitant, clueless, huge slow overweight target. I'm sick of this "Syliva simply lost because he tried to strike with Mercer" horseshit. He lost because he's absolute garbage.

[FrankieB]

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See how one solid punch from a boxer ends the fight quickly.

[Ishrol666]

There isnt one MMA fighter in the world that should even consider getting into a striking match with a boxer. MMA fighters have above average at best striking skills, functional for the sport they are in which is all they need.

But on the other hand most boxers probably shouldnt get in the ring with an accomplished all round MMA fighter.

[Boinko]

Well, if you have an interest in it and want to train, that's fine - I am sure it is a healthy athletic endeavor. I have nothing against that. My objection has more to do with the use of it as entertainment, and the continued attacks of its purveyors on boxing. IMO, these jerks - that Dana White bonehead in particular - have a lot of nerve attacking such a far superior sport, with such a fine history as boxing.

And one thing that keeps getting pointed out in this forum is that us boxing and MMA fans do NOT condone narrow minded criticisms of boxing.
As for Dana White, he's a great businessman, but can be a total asshole.
And he criticizes boxing for obvious reasons. It's competition for him, and he's competing against the sport for PPV money.

And now, they have a some serious egg on their faces. No matter what they do, they will never succeed in replacing boxing.

Again, us open minded fans have no interest in MMA replacing boxing. In fact, I think MMA has been good for boxing. Healthy competition is a good thing. If the boxing world realizes their PPV dollars could be compromised by another sport, is it not in their best interests to step it up and make the best, most entertaining matches possible?

Their product is simply not entertaining enough -

Merely your opinion. Considering how successful UFC has been in recent years, many people disagree.
I think lots of sports are boring, but I respect the fact that the fans of those sports disagree. Wouldn't the world be a bland place if everyone had the same tastes.

which is why they dress it up with all this WWF-like bullshit.

What WWF like bullshit? UFC/MMA is nothing like WWF, neither in the ring nor out. Care to give some examples why you feel they are similar?
In fact, boxing is often more like WWF in it's presentation, from it's pre-fight trash talk and brawls that break out at weigh ins, to it's over the top ring entrances (when was the last time you saw a guy enter the octagon in the UFC being carried on a throne and wearing a crown?)

Sorry, but two guys rolling around on the ground is pretty damn boring to watch. It may require some skill, but it is frightfully dull as a form of entertaining. Boxing has - and always will - kick its ass in terms of excitement.

You are under no obligation to find it exciting, but calling it just two guys rolling around on the ground is silly and uneducated.
Yes, some fights end up being boring, but this happens in boxing as well. How many hugfests have we seen over the years in boxing where the fans spend most of the bout booing? Quite a few. How would you react to a boxing hater who claims boxing is nothing more than a couple of guys standing in a ring hugging each other?

[djm]

Again, us open minded fans have no interest in MMA replacing boxing. In fact, I think MMA has been good for boxing. Healthy competition is a good thing. If the boxing world realizes their PPV dollars could be compromised by another sport, is it not in their best interests to step it up and make the best, most entertaining matches possible?

This is a fair point. The unfortunate thing is that the nature of the boxing business, so fragmented as it is, won't allow it to react to competition well.


What WWF like bullshit? UFC/MMA is nothing like WWF, neither in the ring nor out. Care to give some examples why you feel they are similar?
In fact, boxing is often more like WWF in it's presentation, from it's pre-fight trash talk and brawls that break out at weigh ins, to it's over the top ring entrances (when was the last time you saw a guy enter the octagon in the UFC being carried on a throne and wearing a crown?)

As strictly a boxing fan, I have no idea about UFC ring entrances, but this is a fair point, too.


You are under no obligation to find it exciting, but calling it just two guys rolling around on the ground is silly and uneducated.
Yes, some fights end up being boring, but this happens in boxing as well. How many hugfests have we seen over the years in boxing where the fans spend most of the bout booing? Quite a few. How would you react to a boxing hater who claims boxing is nothing more than a couple of guys standing in a ring hugging each other?

This is what I always find bothersome about the MMA criticisms - even as a boxing fan, there are a good deal of lousy fights out there. While I'll always be in the camp that finds groundwork pretty boring, I'll never jump on a "look at this 5 minutes of fighting, isn't it boring?" bandwagon.

Anyway, a solid, balanced post on your part.

[jimmie]

LMAO I never seen a man drop so slow.

[scurlaruntings]

LMAO I never seen a man drop so slow.:lol: I know it was proper slow motion with out the slomo!

[sugarngold]

Best fucking KO all year long!

[Boinko]

This is a fair point. The unfortunate thing is that the nature of the boxing business, so fragmented as it is, won't allow it to react to competition well.



As strictly a boxing fan, I have no idea about UFC ring entrances, but this is a fair point, too.



This is what I always find bothersome about the MMA criticisms - even as a boxing fan, there are a good deal of lousy fights out there. While I'll always be in the camp that finds groundwork pretty boring, I'll never jump on a "look at this 5 minutes of fighting, isn't it boring?" bandwagon.

Anyway, a solid, balanced post on your part.

Thanks. I enjoy both sports, so I try and defend either one when I feel they're being criticized in unfair ways.
I'm just as zealous about defending boxing when some die hard MMA fan dumps on it. Of course, that almost never happens here since this is first and foremost a boxing board.

[Guitarman]

That was one hell of a right hand!

[dwpainz]

I wanna see a Mercer Kimbo rematch after that 9 second blow out

[Goose]

This has nothing to do if MMA is better or boxing is better. They are two different sports.
Silva was stupid to go in and trade with Mercer, you just dont do that against a boxer. He had to go for a take down right away.
full credit to Mercer though, he is almost 50 now and still knocking out guys!

[thebrodstar]

This has nothing to do if MMA is better or boxing is better. They are two different sports.
Silva was stupid to go in and trade with Mercer, you just dont do that against a boxer. He had to go for a take down right away.
full credit to Mercer though, he is almost 50 now and still knocking out guys!

I wouldn't say he had to go for the takedown right away but he should not have engaged him right away. Tim definitely should have felt him out a bit. The guy is 50 years old, of course he is going to go for broke and swing for a KO every time. If Tim would have let it go a round or two Mercer would have gassed. But of course at Sylvia's wieght he could have gassed too :lol: