If Hatton is not 'shot' could he beat Cotto?

[colinthfc]

I assume he will come back. If he sorts out his trainer and looks good in a 10 rounder a Cotto fight could be massive at the Garden

[margo82]

Hatton's style is all wrong for Cotto.

But I don't think Hatton can take what comes back.

[jimcox88]

hatton would get really hurt if this fight ever happened

[GazOC]

I think Hatton has (had??) the style to beat Cotto at 140 but I don't think he has enough left or that that style would be as effective against Cotto at 147 in any case.

[Beeston Brawler]

Hatton has the perfect style to beat Cotto regardless of the weight, but not enough in the tank.

[NO MAS]

Hatton has the perfect style to beat Cotto regardless of the weight, but not enough in the tank.

I think at 140 Hatton could have taken out Cotto as easy as he took out Castillo.... at 147 I think he would struggle in the trenches.... I think that Cotto would see the only way of taking Hatton would be to drag him into deep water.... I still think that this fight can be made too..... altho Cotto is well and truly in the mix with Pac Man, PBF and Sugar Shane.... Hatton will not be on his radar unless the wheels come off, to much money elsewhere for him right now IMO :yep

[Losfer_Words]

IMO, no. Hatton's lost his punch resistance and Cotto would have him for lunch- and let's be honest, after the last loss do you think Hatton's gonna want to jump in the ring with someone like Cotto? Should he win back the WBC strap, I think Witter is the only fight out there for Hatton. Hatton could finally settle the score and, should he win, it would be a perfect way to bow out- shutting up the dude who pisses you off the most in a domestic bonanza.

[jimcox88]

that castillo he took out didnt even want to be there and was well past it, how you think hatton could beat cotto as easily is beyond me

[D-MAC]

Hatton couldn't take the puches Clottey did last night, so no.

A few years back, at 140, different story possibly; but we'll never know.

[pathmanc1986]

at 140, when cotto was struggling to make the weight and his chin looked

considerably more shaky than at 147 imo, ricky might have been able to pressure him

to defeat. at 147, with a strong cotto his firepower is just too much for hatton to handle.

floyd pinged ricky with shots and buzzed him, cotto would slam left hooks and straights

right at him and we saw what happend with those against floyd and the pacman

[NO MAS]

that castillo he took out didnt even want to be there and was well past it, how you think hatton could beat cotto as easily is beyond me

With them Breakfast finders....I thought that Castillo went to the trenches in the Corrales fight and was never the same again.... It is just my opinion... look at some of the other fights where we have written people offf.. SSM is great example of this..... :yep

On the subject of Witter v Hatton... I have said on these sites for years that Witter would beat him... he has the style to do it and always has done.....I would be suprised if Hatton would give him a payday tho....Hatton once agreed to fight him on Sky... but when the fight was there to be made it did not happen... More FW not wanting it IMO... :scaredas:

But I think that Witter would beat Hatton...

[Ilesey]

Hatton would get picked off and stopped in about 8 rounds.

[Beeston Brawler]

The Hatton that fought Tszyu would hammer Cotto, but the Cotto that fought Mosley or Judah would hammer Hatton.

At their peaks I'd say they are evenly matched.

[thesham01]

not now, or ever to be honest!

Cotto is bigger and stronger, and a better boxer..... always has been

[GazOC]

Plenty of "better boxers" have been KO'd by Hatton. 2005/2006 and maybe 2007 I'd have taken Hatton but not now.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think Hatton would have taken advantage of Cotto's stamina problems....

Obviously now his chin is questionable (to say the least) and his stamina has slipped also.

[ScouseLad]

Miguel would knock the fuck out of him.

[Losfer_Words]

The Hatton that fought Tszyu would hammer Cotto, but the Cotto that fought Mosley or Judah would hammer Hatton.

At their peaks I'd say they are evenly matched.

'Peak'? You talk like Cotto is 10 years retired. IMO, had he not been so worried about the cut last night, he would have TKO'd Clottey. He had him on the ropes so often only to stand off and start dabbing him eye. Cotto is still a massive force to be reckoned with.

[Guy]

Cotto is on the slide......but Rickys finished I think.

Clottey threw the fight away, Cotto's face was battered, broken nose black eyes.

Why Clottey stopped punching bemuses me.

[Davro]

Not a chance -- :!:

[Davro]

'Peak'? You talk like Cotto is 10 years retired. IMO, had he not been so worried about the cut last night, he would have TKO'd Clottey. He had him on the ropes so often only to stand off and start dabbing him eye. Cotto is still a massive force to be reckoned with.

well said - Cotto was doing an Erik Morales last night - attacking as a means of defence. Getting out of that nightmare was Cotto's priority - with no cut Round 6 would have occurred with frequency.

[maxwell-jr]

cotto is too big at welter

hattons feet are too slow at welter.

thus he gets gets picked off by the bigger and classier fighter!

[Davro]

I think Hatton would have taken advantage of Cotto's stamina problems....

Obviously now his chin is questionable (to say the least) and his stamina has slipped also.

"Questionable chin"?? - as far as I know only Margarito has dropped him (with illegal handwraps) and only after 11 rounds of Cotto slugging at his chin.

What are these stamina problems as well? He's gone over ten rounds with Margarito, Clottey and Mosley in his last five fights, and probably would have done with the others if he hadn't KOd them. I've never known a boxer aged 28 lose their stamina - he's in his prime.

Do you really think Cotto's performance in the last three rounds was because he had nothing left in the tank? Or because he had a cut gushing blood in his leading eye, making him switch to southpaw every time it was burst open, making him stop attacking to wipe the blood away etc. - against a puncher ready to drop him in one!! Cotto's priority was to take the rounds and get out with the win, not to expose himself going for a KO, against one of the most durable chins in boxing, when he had blood dripping through his eyes!!

[Gullet]

As a Hatton fan id hate to see that fight especially at 147, he would get hurt

[Gullet]

I thought Cottos chin was fantastic last night????

[radab]

The Ricky Hatton who beat Cost Ya Shoe could beat him in a fight for the ages

The Ricky Hatton of today would get stopped inside 2

[El Cepillo]

Cotto smashes him, it might have been a closer fight a few years back, but Cotto wins everytime. He's just a better boxer.

[Losfer_Words]

well said - Cotto was doing an Erik Morales last night - attacking as a means of defence. Getting out of that nightmare was Cotto's priority - with no cut Round 6 would have occurred with frequency.

What amuses me is no-one else seems to have seen it. Cotto was controlling that fight- he CHOSE to box so it became close. Had he chosen to unload mid-fight, which IMO he would have had he not been cut, TKO in no time as far as I'm concerned. Cotto's a far better boxer than he's given credit for- people just seem to see him as a brawler. Props to Clottey though- a lot of fighters would have waited for the ref to step in.

[Gullet]

Gotta agree Cotto is a superb boxer, love watching him

[faisal]

hatton would beat a dehydrated cotto at 140 but never a fresh 1

[GazOC]

What amuses me is no-one else seems to have seen it. Cotto was controlling that fight- he CHOSE to box so it became close. Had he chosen to unload mid-fight, which IMO he would have had he not been cut, TKO in no time as far as I'm concerned. Cotto's a far better boxer than he's given credit for- people just seem to see him as a brawler. Props to Clottey though- a lot of fighters would have waited for the ref to step in.


Cotto was a top class amateur anyone who thinks he's just brawler must just watch his highlight clips.

[TFFP]

Would he bollocks, not ever.

It's all very well following the Margarito/Clottey "blueprint" but Margarito took a hammering early, and Clottey is known for his tight defence.

[GazOC]

Its not the Margo blueprint, people have been saying in 2005 that Cotto doesn't like sustained pressure. Peak Hatton at 140 would beat the best version of Cotto that made 140 IMHO.

[Davro]

How does Hatton have the 'style' to beat Cotto btw?

Cotto only got beat by Margarito because he had a granite chin, and Cotto exhausted himself trying to KO him. Then it turned out Margarito was using illegal wraps as well. Cotto took Mosley's power shots to head and body for 12 rounds, something Margo couldn't - I don't know how Hatton trumps that.

Hatton doesn't have a granite chin - he would be eating Cotto's jabs with his tactics of using his face to block jabs. Tszyu rocked him a few times with some basic jabs and straights, Cotto would be far more intense with the pressure. And wouldn't throw in the towel like Tszyu did - as we saw last night he is a warrior.

Cotto is physically much bigger. I can't see how Hatton wins this at all. He would get picked off by Cotto's jabs and straights, and Hatton would keep walking on to them trying to get on the inside. And once there, Cotto would work Hatton with powerful hooks to his body and chin.

The only similar fight Hatton has fought is v Pacquiao - in terms of continually walking on to powerful shots and not being able to dominate the contest. It's not a perfect comparison but would be similar - Hatton would try to close down and try to get in range, but would eat leather and take some sick body damage trying to do so.

A prime Hatton would be KOd in about 5 rounds, a modern Hatton wouldn't reach three and would probably have his face shredded to boot.

[TFFP]

Of course it is. He would try and do the exact same thing in the misguided belief he could also walk through Cotto's punches, and that would be his undoing. And wrestling isn't really going to get the job done as convincingly as Margarito who never stopped punching.

Cotto at 140 was peak well before his "struggles" with Malignaggi and Torres, that was when things were getting tough.

Ultimately it doesn't really matter, Cotto is a welterweight and I think his work there is what he will be remembered for. He's a better fighter than Hatton with a better record.

[Beeston Brawler]

How do you know Margarito was using illegal wraps against Cotto?

[GazOC]

Cottos peak at 140 is well before his peak as a fighter and obviously before the weight problems. Thats one of the reasons I give Hatton an excellent chance, you'd have a 27 prime fighter in against the improving but still green 24 year old Cotto.

[TFFP]

That is the problem. If its to be prime for prime it has to be at welterweight and Hatton has no chance at all.

[GazOC]

That is the problem. If its to be prime for prime it has to be at welterweight and Hatton has no chance at all.

I'd have Cotto favourite but I still think its doablefor hatton given the styles.

As you say though, its been done to death and the fight will never happen.

[Davro]

How do you know Margarito was using illegal wraps against Cotto?

Because Cotto took harder shots v Mosley IMHO.

Something never added up in Cotto getting KOd by Margo to me.

Now Margo has been caught stiffening his wraps v Mosley, there is no doubt in my mind he did it with Cotto too.

We can't go back in time, but it's not as if it's unfair to have suspicions is it? Margarito got caught doing it v Mosley, and Cotto was the fight before. If Margo KOd Cotto fairly, the best and hardest at 147, why would he need to cheat to beat Mosley?

COTTO WAS ROBBED :hey

[GazOC]

It wasn't just the punches that did for Cotto in that fight, he was mentally and physically exhausted from the pressure Margo was putting him under.

Until someone comes up with proof, that result stands IMHO.

[brown bomber]

I have much love for Hatton but he has no chance against anyone at that level now. Its over and he need to either have a send off in Manchester or bail completely. He's a good lad and a millionaire no point risking your health. Watching Hatton get stiffened did nothing for me.

[GazOC]

I agree Jeff, he needs to look a level below Cotto for any future fight in may be thinking off.

[SouthpawSlayer]

not a hope in hell another bad stoppage for the hit man, his best bet is a fight with campbell or juan diaz

[brown bomber]

not a hope in hell another bad stoppage for the hit man, his best bet is a fight with campbell or juan diaz I think he may be able to beat Campbell - good call, but Diaz would have too much for him.

["TKO"]

How does Hatton have the 'style' to beat Cotto btw?

Cotto only got beat by Margarito because he had a granite chin, and Cotto exhausted himself trying to KO him. Then it turned out Margarito was using illegal wraps as well. Cotto took Mosley's power shots to head and body for 12 rounds, something Margo couldn't - I don't know how Hatton trumps that.

Hatton doesn't have a granite chin - he would be eating Cotto's jabs with his tactics of using his face to block jabs. Tszyu rocked him a few times with some basic jabs and straights, Cotto would be far more intense with the pressure. And wouldn't throw in the towel like Tszyu did - as we saw last night he is a warrior.



Did you see the Margarito fight? I'm not doubting that Cotto is a warrior, but he has quit iin the past...

[Beeston Brawler]

I can see your point regarding the wraps, but disagree in this instance.

I simpy think Margo broke him mentally and physically. Imagine hitting someone countless times yet all they do is keep chasing harder and firing back faster and harder?

That was why I brought his stamina into question.

Margo probably decided to cheat vs Mosley because he knew Mosley had a better chin and a style more likely to cause him problems. As I posted yesterday, I was amazed with that performanxe. Having picked Margo to stop Shane, he was totally beaten up. I could understand Mosley outboxing him to a points win, but a stoppage, never!

I still think Margo would always beat Cotto because even against Clottey he lept backing away and takimg breathers. The difference was that he was allowed to do so!

[dan-b]

Not a chance. Ridiculous thread.

[faisal]

how has hatton responded to a good body shot, i'v never seen him hurt to the body thats why i ask

[TFFP]

He was hurt by Urango to the body.

[maxwell-jr]

hatton would beat a dehydrated cotto at 140 but never a fresh 1

fully agree!

[BURNLEYBLUE]

Lotta love for Ricky Hatton but I've always thought he should stay away from Cotto and to fight him now would be a massive mistake.Too strong too powerful and i feel that Cotto's body shots would end early. Dont want to see it.

[kosaros]

Cotto inside 4 rounds.

[Betty Swollocks]

is this a joke?
Hatton was never on the same level as an elite like Cotto, never. Hatton is not shot, he's just been progressively found out as his level of comp. has gone up. Cotto knocks fuck out of him like he would've done to 2005 Wicky too.
2 different levels of fighter, simple as that.

[kosaros]

is this a joke?
Hatton was never on the same level as an elite like Cotto, never. Hatton is not shot, he's just been progressively found out as his level of comp. has gone up. Cotto knocks fuck out of him like he would've done to 2005 Wicky too.
2 different levels of fighter, simple as that.

4th page on a Hatton thread? Your getting slow.

[Beeston Brawler]

You are talking out of your ass Bety, again.

When did your downer on Wicky start?

[Betty Swollocks]

You are talking out of your ass Bety, again.

When did your downer on Wicky start?


I suppose about the time he started ducking Witter and talking bollocks, a long long time ago.

how am I taling out my ass?

[chesh]

is this a joke?
Hatton was never on the same level as an elite like Cotto, never. Hatton is not shot, he's just been progressively found out as his level of comp. has gone up. Cotto knocks fuck out of him like he would've done to 2005 Wicky too.
2 different levels of fighter, simple as that.

Harsh, but spot on. No version of Hatton beats any version of Cotto. Cotto faced much bigger punchers (Quintana, Torres) than Ricky at 140, and still prevailed. Even on his best night (against Tszyu), Hatton was felled by a legal bodyshot which wasn't counted. Hatton doesn't take shots well to the body and Cotto is a devastating body puncher. Cotto is - and always has been - on a different level to Ricky.

[Mandanda]

in one word ''NO''

[Beeston Brawler]

I suppose about the time he started ducking Witter and talking bollocks, a long long time ago.

how am I taling out my ass?

By saying that Hatton isn't shot.

'The man of the people' disappeared after the Castillo fight as I have said before, the excuses for less than stellar performances impeded reasoning, its Ray that annoys me more I must say!

[widdy]

the hatton who beat zoo would of been a completely differant ball game,in my eyes he would of beat cotto, but not in a million years would hatton beat cotto now,
and i don't rate cotto as a elite boxer,even before margo out gunned him,world class but not elite

[mike464]

Coem on. Cotto would beat the shit out of Hatton.

[mcguirpa]

I just can't understand how anyone could think that any version of Hatton could beat Cotto. It would be a brutal, bloody beatdown ending with Ricky flat on his back.

[Axl_Nose]

Any version of Hatton matches up badly with Cotto .. Cotto is a just a far better, more polished version of Hatton. Both these guys wouldnt have a hope in hell of matching up with a boxer like Mayweather.
Mayweather v Cotto would be like Whitaker v Chavez .... A beautiful boxer with all the shots in the book who is very difficult to hit against a methodical come-forward fighter, who does what he does without coming up with any surprises.
Of course, Chavez has a far better punch resistance than Cotto who can be rocked and discouraged far easier than Chavez but i see similarities in style with Cotto and Chavez and even Cotto and Hagler .... Cotto v Mayweather would be competitive as would Hatton v Cotto but theres no way Hatton beats Cotto and there aint no way Cotto beats Mayweather ....

[gasman]

Cotto would destroy Hatton, it would be like Hatton-Pac all over again.

[El Cepillo]

the hatton who beat zoo would of been a completely differant ball game,in my eyes he would of beat cotto, but not in a million years would hatton beat cotto now,
and i don't rate cotto as a elite boxer,even before margo out gunned him,world class but not elite

Should have gone to specsavers :deal

[Brick-Top]

At 140, around 2005/2006 Hatton, anytime at 147 Cotto, Catchweight ??? Id have to see whats Hattons capable of now before passing further judgement, one thing I will say is Hattons only ever rally struggled with handspeed and southpaws, Cotto is neither ( I know hes left handed but he doesnt fight from a southpaw stance)

[widdy]

Should have gone to specsavers :deal

just a opinion mate:good:good

i don't understand the hype around cotto,he is v good at what he dus,but so WAS hatton,styles make fights,in hattons hayday,he was pretty good at what he did as well,especially stand in front of you fighters like cotto,would of been a great scrap:bbb

[Rangersfan1982]

I hope Hatton retires. He's done all he can do imo.

[DGLASS JAW]

cotto would iron out hatton....it would be a massacre.

[DON1]

Cotto would eat Hatton. Lets get real guys. Cotto aint getting enough credit man.

[El Cepillo]

just a opinion mate:good:good

i don't understand the hype around cotto,he is v good at what he dus,but so WAS hatton,styles make fights,in hattons hayday,he was pretty good at what he did as well,especially stand in front of you fighters like cotto,would of been a great scrap:bbb

It might have been a good fight depending on how long Hatton could keep his head above water. Ricky on his best day might have meant a nice clash of styles. But Cotto would have ripped him to shreds. Hatton has no answer to the kind of accuracy that Cotto brings - that would be the key. Hatton wouldn't walk through Cotto's punches to get inside, and even if he did manage to get inside Cotto would out muscle him. For me, Cotto is quicker, stronger and more accurate. He is a cut above Hatton in every way imaginable. Hatton-Cotto wouldn't be too disimilar to Cotto-Gomez.

[mgmvegas]

not a fight i ever want to see to be honest , hatton has given his all during hais career and i have enjoyed my trips to vegas to support hyim but without going overboard i'd fear for ricky's safety big time in this one...

it's time to hang em up b4 he gets hurt , it's not a blemish on ricky he's just taken
too much punishment over his career , he was rocked so badly from the first punch against manny .

[faisal]

there a different class its not even debatable, cottos record speaks for itself its mindless jargan to think hatton would have a chance against him, with a none english ref do u honestly reckon hatton would get away with the bear hugs and rabbit punches, cotto would brutalise him in 7 rounds even the weight drained cotto has a good shot so long as its a neutral ref not a hometown 1

[mughalmirza786]

At 140 he has a chance, at 147 cotto destroys him (the weight is a massive factor in any fight for cotto).

[Betty Swollocks]

not a fight i ever want to see to be honest , hatton has given his all during hais career and i have enjoyed my trips to vegas to support hyim but without going overboard i'd fear for ricky's safety big time in this one...

it's time to hang em up b4 he gets hurt , it's not a blemish on ricky he's just taken
too much punishment over his career , he was rocked so badly from the first punch against manny .


He was also rocked badly be Magee and Phillips earlier in his career, this has nothing to do with Hatton being shot and everything to do with him having a weak chin and never up to fighting elite class. Cotto is that, and Hatton would get smashed up and banjoed again.

[Farmboxer]

I don't think Hatton could beat Cotto.

[threethirteen]

The Tyszu that Hatton beat at 140 wasn’t especially fleet of foot or fast hand. Cott has always been quick and ANY version of Cotto would beat Hatton.

People have turned the Tyszu version of Hatton into some mythical monster when he had the same flaws and a sympathetic ref to clear the distance.

[Jeff Young]

i would pick cotto by decision, but this fight is a lot closer then some people think....

I think hatton has more in the tank then what people are giving him credit for.....and quite the opposite with cotto, margarito pratically looked like he took cotto's soul....after seeing the version of cotto against clottey, i think cotto has a lot less then what people think.....

and cotto looks like shit everytime he gets walked down, whether that be against the feather-fisted clottey, or brick hands margarito.....

i think hatton is still stronger then cotto, and could walk him down and have his moments, going to work on cotto's body against the ropes....

but cotto outoboxes him at 147, 116-112.....

hatton has more then what you think, and cotto has less then what you think....thats my opinion of course

[Risque Reward]

A lot of people being blinded by their nationality here.

Cotto is a far superior boxer to hatton. Stronger, Quicker, and a solid chin at 147.

Cotto's jabs would blunt hatton by 3 rounds, he would be cut to shreds.

At 147 it's not even a contest, at 140 closer but there's only 1 winner.



People seem to say Cotto is on a downwards slide?

He just beat the most avoided Welterweight contender with a huge cut from round 3 which affected his vision, strategy and concentration. Massive win and massive evidence that he has it all.
No one's invincible. People expect perfection for some reason??

[widdy]

there a different class its not even debatable, cottos record speaks for itself its mindless jargan to think hatton would have a chance against him, with a none english ref do u honestly reckon hatton would get away with the bear hugs and rabbit punches, cotto would brutalise him in 7 rounds even the weight drained cotto has a good shot so long as its a neutral ref not a hometown 1

cottos record speaks for its self,lets just have a quick look.

he beat mosley,who went on to get outboxed by a very limited mayargo,then caught him with a cracking shot,fair enough,who then went on to absulutly twating margo,who margo, the fight before stopped a wornout cotto.don't giv me bollocks about hand wraps pls.:patsch

he beat judah,oh well done,the mans a pussy.
he struggled with a poor malliagi,and if clottey took up the aggressive boxer the other night he would of beat cotto:hey.you can pull anyones record

oh and this holding lark with hatton,i saw cotto holding on to margo for his life,fuck me there was even holding when he fought jennings,stop this bollocks will you all.

i said the hatton who fought zoo would very possibly beat him,he walked through zoo,who could punch like a mule,harder than cotto,fuck the ref helping him thats just a haters fantasy,and zoo was a much better,more accomplished boxer than cotto.

and of-cause people are going to bring the zooo fight up as a referance,that was one of hattons best displays,(just like ali/foreman,honeygan/curry,holyfeild tyson,need i go on)people who see it as a dirty cheating fight,need to get them hating glass's off,and giv hatton the respect he deserves,fuck me hattons not even in my top 5 fave british fighters,i just sick of the haters,dissing,(can i say dissing,being a white english man:huh,)hatton:good

[Dan684]

Ha Ha well done Widdy, I think the mosely victory was a good one though, however I think Mosley would probably beat him in a rematch if he has a tune up first. Dont like the lay off he's having now. When he struggled against Mayorga I put this down to the fact he had nearly 11 months off. He had less then 4 months off before Margarito and looked far sharper !

[Davro]

what a huge pile of crap, Cotto's resume is one of the strongest in world boxing - you could even say it is stronger than Calzaghe's IMHO.

Except Cotto has never ducked anyone - it could be his achilles heel with the Margarito loss and taking on Pacquiao below his fighting weight. He didn't get outboxed by Margarito in any case - he landed powerpunch after haymaker on Margarito and the psycho didn't flinch. By the end of it Cotto was drained and ready to be KOd - hardly Margarito 'outboxing' him - he just has a block of wood for a head instead of having to do the roperdope. And a lot of the damage Cotto inflicted on Margarito that night took its toll in the Mosley fight IMHO.

When you factor in the huge possibility that Margarito stiffened his hand wraps, his record is even more impressive. When Hopkins owned Pavlik, everyone came out and gave Calzaghe uber credit for beating the 42 yr old jailbird - what about Cotto beating Mosley who OWNED Margarito - even with bricks in his gloves??

And now Cotto just outboxed Clottey with a three inch gash on his head and pouring blood into his eyes.

Cotto does not have a flawed resume - he has fought everyone in their prime and hasn't ducked anyone...and has only lost one (a dubious one at that) along the way - that takes some doing with the fighters he's taken on.

[Dan684]

Dick Turpin what are you on about pal, anyones resume is stronger than Calzaghes :-)

[Dan684]

And Mosley never beat Margarito with 'Bricks in his gloves' - they were taken out BEFORE the fight.

[mckay_89]

cottos record speaks for its self,lets just have a quick look.

he beat mosley,who went on to get outboxed by a very limited mayargo,then caught him with a cracking shot,fair enough,who then went on to absulutly twating margo,who margo, the fight before stopped a wornout cotto.don't giv me bollocks about hand wraps pls.:patsch

he beat judah,oh well done,the mans a pussy.
he struggled with a poor malliagi,and if clottey took up the aggressive boxer the other night he would of beat cotto:hey.you can pull anyones record

oh and this holding lark with hatton,i saw cotto holding on to margo for his life,fuck me there was even holding when he fought jennings,stop this bollocks will you all.

i said the hatton who fought zoo would very possibly beat him,he walked through zoo,who could punch like a mule,harder than cotto,fuck the ref helping him thats just a haters fantasy,and zoo was a much better,more accomplished boxer than cotto.

and of-cause people are going to bring the zooo fight up as a referance,that was one of hattons best displays,(just like ali/foreman,honeygan/curry,holyfeild tyson,need i go on)people who see it as a dirty cheating fight,need to get them hating glass's off,and giv hatton the respect he deserves,fuck me hattons not even in my top 5 fave british fighters,i just sick of the haters,dissing,(can i say dissing,being a white english man:huh,)hatton:good

Reading this made my blood boil. From what i can gather:

1.You don't rate Cotto's win over Mosley because in Mosley's next fight he stepped up in weight and struggled to adjust to Mayorga's awkward style before eventually working it out and KOing him?

2. The belief that Marg used dodgy handwraps against Cotto is bollocks? Even though Cotto was considered a much harder fight than Mosley and his face marked up like never before.

3. You don't believe Hatton is one of the worst for holding in boxing? How you can't see his hit and hold style is beyond me, it's a shockingly ugly style.

4. Cotto is a persistant holder? WTF? One of Cotto's main probelms when Marg started to gain the upper hand was that he refused to clinch.

5. The ref never helped Hatton in the Tszyu fight? I honestly think if it hadn't been a British ref Hatton would never have gotten away with his constant holding and hitting round the back of the head.

[bizzer07]

i'm pretty shocked by what im reading to be honest, the amount of people actually believing that Hatton could have given Cotto huge problems, then, now, ever is way beyond me and i just dont see it. I'm a Ricky Hatton fan myself, much more than i have supported Cotto anyway, but facts are facts Cotto is a supremly better boxer, he'd box Hattons face off, Ricky only knows how to defend punches against world class boxers with his face, this fight would be no different to the floyd or pac fights, probably brutal KO inside 5 for me

[Jeff Young]

i would pick cotto but i think the perceptions people have of hatton and cotto at this stage are totally wrong....

hatton has more left then what you guys think, he got caught by a good punch from manny thats all....

cotto on the other hand, looks like antonio margarito has his soul in a jar in mexico somewhere......cotto has a lot less then what were being lead to believe....

i still pick cotto over hatton but only 116-112

[bizzer07]

i would pick cotto but i think the perceptions people have of hatton and cotto at this stage are totally wrong....

hatton has more left then what you guys think, he got caught by a good punch from manny thats all....

cotto on the other hand, looks like antonio margarito has his soul in a jar in mexico somewhere......cotto has a lot less then what were being lead to believe....

i still pick cotto over hatton but only 116-112

which 'good punch' from manny are we talking about as he got rocked far to many times to put that loss down to one punch pal.

[Jeff Young]

which 'good punch' from manny are we talking about as he got rocked far to many times to put that loss down to one punch pal.

manny was clearly better from top to bottom....has ricky declined? yes..is he shot? i dont think so....

Is cotto the same guy that mosley and margo fought the first half of that fight? No....thats all i'm saying, bro

[Mr Butt]

hatton has no chance against cotto now ,had a chance at jw but only a chance even then

[Davro]

And Mosley never beat Margarito with 'Bricks in his gloves' - they were taken out BEFORE the fight.

probably why Mosley slapped him around then and didn't get hurt, unlike Cotto who was ASSAULTED :lol: Margarito should be in jail for what he did to Cotto - WE ALL KNOW HE DID IT

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[BURNLEYBLUE]

which 'good punch' from manny are we talking about as he got rocked far to many times to put that loss down to one punch pal.
It was that one devastating punch that ended the fight obviously,but it landed due to the fact Ricky was unable to adapt/change tactic. The first round was terrible for Hatton as was the first for Marquez against Pac, but Marquez was able to adapt,recover and almost win the fight. Hattons mistakes were glaringly obvious and so, you would think, amendable. But does he have the desire or the ability?

[Dan684]

Ha Ha, if ever proven I'll sign your protest gladfully. Until it is we can only speculate. I just think he was worn out form the energy he'd exerted and then his defence was shown up.

[BURNLEYBLUE]

just a opinion mate:good:good

i don't understand the hype around cotto,he is v good at what he dus,but so WAS hatton,styles make fights,in hattons hayday,he was pretty good at what he did as well,especially stand in front of you fighters like cotto,would of been a great scrap:bbb
:huhWiddy who are those strange people in your avatar?

[thesham01]

Cotto looks a fighter with obvious flaws at the moment, but Hatton is a fighter with obvious flaws.... Cotto would end this fight mid to late rounds

[Davro]

Ha Ha, if ever proven I'll sign your protest gladfully. Until it is we can only speculate. I just think he was worn out form the energy he'd exerted and then his defence was shown up.


Possibly - I have my suspicions though - Mosley seemed to hit Cotto with some awesome power shots and he just took them. The way he seemed to get caught by Margarito seemed so flimsy, it would make sense if his wraps were stiffened like casts. Margarito probably put some of that spray on his chin as well :lol: Ultimately Cotto was exhausted from battering Margarito's chin, so it can be explained - I really would be surprised though if something foul was afoot - infact I would say I suspect it was.

Margarito is not going to confess now though - it's one of his greatest victories and he's already banned for a year despite not actually using those hand casts.

[Dan684]

Yeah fair do's. Its amazing though that Cotto's uncle never checked his hand wraps pre-fight. His excuse, when Cotto asked him why not was "Well they never came and checked yours" ha ha

[SeasideSlugger]

Pre FMJ I'd have gone for Hatton. He'd be lucky to see the end of the 3rd now.

[widdy]

what a huge pile of crap, Cotto's resume is one of the strongest in world boxing - you could even say it is stronger than Calzaghe's IMHO.

Except Cotto has never ducked anyone - it could be his achilles heel with the Margarito loss and taking on Pacquiao below his fighting weight. He didn't get outboxed by Margarito in any case - he landed powerpunch after haymaker on Margarito and the psycho didn't flinch. By the end of it Cotto was drained and ready to be KOd - hardly Margarito 'outboxing' him - he just has a block of wood for a head instead of having to do the roperdope. And a lot of the damage Cotto inflicted on Margarito that night took its toll in the Mosley fight IMHO.

When you factor in the huge possibility that Margarito stiffened his hand wraps, his record is even more impressive. When Hopkins owned Pavlik, everyone came out and gave Calzaghe uber credit for beating the 42 yr old jailbird - what about Cotto beating Mosley who OWNED Margarito - even with bricks in his gloves??

And now Cotto just outboxed Clottey with a three inch gash on his head and pouring blood into his eyes.

Cotto does not have a flawed resume - he has fought everyone in their prime and hasn't ducked anyone...and has only lost one (a dubious one at that) along the way - that takes some doing with the fighters he's taken on.

i dident say it was flawed dearest,i said you could pick it apart,as in ANY boxer,
and you say its stronger than JC's,fuck me you watch boxing DICK:rofl

[widdy]

Reading this made my blood boil. From what i can gather:

1.You don't rate Cotto's win over Mosley because in Mosley's next fight he stepped up in weight and struggled to adjust to Mayorga's awkward style before eventually working it out and KOing him?

2. The belief that Marg used dodgy handwraps against Cotto is bollocks? Even though Cotto was considered a much harder fight than Mosley and his face marked up like never before.

3. You don't believe Hatton is one of the worst for holding in boxing? How you can't see his hit and hold style is beyond me, it's a shockingly ugly style.

4. Cotto is a persistant holder? WTF? One of Cotto's main probelms when Marg started to gain the upper hand was that he refused to clinch.

5. The ref never helped Hatton in the Tszyu fight? I honestly think if it hadn't been a British ref Hatton would never have gotten away with his constant holding and hitting round the back of the head.

ok then,
1, nope,i don't rate cottos win over mosley,and i defo don't rate mayorga,he is a crude slugger,not good at all,and he out fought mosley,i think mosley had a off night with cotto,and the battering of margo goes some way of proving my point

2. cotto's face was marked up from the constant twating from margos fists:rofl

3. pressure fighters hold on the world over,loads of em,its what happens when they get to close,come to think of it show me a fight where theres no holding,u be lucky npt to find a round luv:hey

4.when did i say a persistent holder, i said he held on like fuck in margo,has he did in jennings,mosley,all his fights :think

5. the ref helped hatton,are you bettys mate glitter,get them hate tinted glasses off,him and zoo were both hitting below,behind the head ect ect,its boxing,you don't like it love,watch WWF.

and stop boiling at posts,take a pill,role a fat one,open a can,sick back and now................................................................................................. ...................relax:good