Joe Rogan On Ray Mercer

[OuterDrake]

From Rogan Board:

I think this fight is important lesson for MMA fighters to help them realize that there's a big gap between the striking we see in an MMA bout and the stand up skills of a professional boxer. The gap is pretty big. Now, if it really was an MMA bout and Tim was going to fight smart he should have taken that sledgehammer throwing old man down and choked the shit out him.
I have a feeling that since this was originally supposed to be a boxing match but the local commission wouldn't sanction it so they made it mma that there was some sort of striking only agreement.


I can only think that he underestimated Mercer because he was old, and overestimated his own stand up ability due to his success fighting MMA guys that weren't great strikers.

:think

[québecwarrior]

He is right.

[Boinko]

Yes he is right. Only the most deluded, ignorant MMA fans actually believe top ranked boxers would lose to MMA fighters in a boxing match.
MMA fighters have boxing coaches, but that's only part of their training. They are NOT boxers.

[AJAX]

The most dilusional person is Tim Sylvia actually thinking he could box with Mercer and to think he has a boxing career. Sylvia has been outstruck by lesser strikers let alone Mercer even at his age can throw them especially at 310lb stationary target.

[boxingcar]

I don't like Rogan too much but i have to admit he's totally right on this one.

[Boinko]

One thing about Rogan is that he is a boxing fan, even though he's been known to criticize it when he is forced to defend MMA against some of the dumb things people say about it. It's nice to see him give props to boxers and acknowledge the obvious.

[cdnboxing]

One thing about Rogan is that he is a boxing fan, even though he's been known to criticize it when he is forced to defend MMA against some of the dumb things people say about it. It's nice to see him give props to boxers and acknowledge the obvious.

Joe Rogan is absolutely not a boxing fan. He knows absolutely nothing about it.

[Boinko]

Joe Rogan is absolutely not a boxing fan. He knows absolutely nothing about it.

Well, he claims he is. Whether he is or not, I can't tell you with certainty. I know he's said some stupid things about boxing in the past, which is a cause for skepticism, but he's bang on with his comments about the Sylvia/Mercer fight.

Regarding him as a boxing fan, from his blog:

I think there’s a misconception that because I do commentary for the Ultimate Fighting Championship – and because of this goofy UFC vs Boxing argument that I got in with Lou Dibella on ESPN – that I’m not a fan of boxing. That couldn’t be more untrue.
I’ve always been a huge boxing fan, and in fact besides Mixed Martial Arts it’s the only sport I watch.
I’m also a huge fan of discipline and focus, and Bernard Hopkins has those qualities in levels that most other fighters can only dream of. I feed off the accomplishments of others. They inspire me, and they motivate me to push for more in my own life, and I feel like watching that fight has given me a fresh jolt of energy. He’s such a bad motherfucker that just watching him has raised my whole game.

Feel free to take it up with him if you question whether he is actually a fan or not.

[rekcutnevets]

Mercer would be bad news for Sylvia at any time.

I posted this on 6-11-09 [Only registered and activated users can see links]
How more impressive will Kimbo's win be if Mercer beats Sylvia? I haven't paid much attention as of late, but can't Sylvia still be argued as current top 10?

Mercer should be too old to compete with Tim, but this would have been interesting few years ago. Kimbo Slice doesn't have 1/4 of Tim Sylvia's mma credentials. However; Slice was more aggressive, more athletic, and more likely to run over and put Mercer away in the fashion that he did. Easily said with hindsight, but I believe I have a point. Mercer was competent in K-1, and Sylvia is no kickboxing legend. Without the aggression to turn the fight into anything but a boxing match, Mercer has a chance.
Sylvia is the type of fighter that a talented pro boxer would dream of facing in an mma bout. Sylvia doesn't look to initiate the clinch and take the other fighter out of his element. Sylvia stands in front of everyone with that low guard, and poor defense.

Kimbo put Mercer against the fence with a lot of aggression. Mercer went into a shell, and I believe he was waiting to throw as soon as Slice let up. Problem for Mercer was that he was not in a boxing match. Kimbo took the fight to the ground as soon as his striking surge was complete. In boxing; a clinch and a break would have probably followed, giving Mercer his chance to respond.

[HomicideHenry]

Mercer would be bad news for Sylvia at any time.


Sylvia is the type of fighter that a talented pro boxer would dream of facing in an mma bout. Sylvia doesn't look to initiate the clinch and take the other fighter out of his element. Sylvia stands in front of everyone with that low guard, and poor defense.

Kimbo put Mercer against the fence with a lot of aggression. Mercer went into a shell, and I believe he was waiting to throw as soon as Slice let up. Problem for Mercer was that he was not in a boxing match. Kimbo took the fight to the ground as soon as his striking surge was complete. In boxing; a clinch and a break would have probably followed, giving Mercer his chance to respond.


Exactly! And seeing how Kimbo was knocked out with a jab against Seth Petruzelli, its more than likely that Mercer would have done the same to Kimbo, had Kimbo let up with the pushing against the cage.

[BoxingFanNo1]

MMA fighters can't compete with boxers in boxing.

Bravo.

I don't think I've ever met a serious MMA fan who thought otherwise.

[cdnboxing]

Well, he claims he is. Whether he is or not, I can't tell you with certainty. I know he's said some stupid things about boxing in the past, which is a cause for skepticism, but he's bang on with his comments about the Sylvia/Mercer fight.

Regarding him as a boxing fan, from his blog:



Feel free to take it up with him if you question whether he is actually a fan or not.

Meh, who knows. If he is, he certainly has a funny way of showing it. But I guess its too be expected when you're on the UFC payroll.

[cdnboxing]

Mercer would be bad news for Sylvia at any time.


Sylvia is the type of fighter that a talented pro boxer would dream of facing in an mma bout. Sylvia doesn't look to initiate the clinch and take the other fighter out of his element. Sylvia stands in front of everyone with that low guard, and poor defense.

Kimbo put Mercer against the fence with a lot of aggression. Mercer went into a shell, and I believe he was waiting to throw as soon as Slice let up. Problem for Mercer was that he was not in a boxing match. Kimbo took the fight to the ground as soon as his striking surge was complete. In boxing; a clinch and a break would have probably followed, giving Mercer his chance to respond.

He could've thrown when he was backed up against the cage. He didnt. An elite boxer would have easily slipped and countered Kimbos shots if confronted with a similar situation.

Old man Mercer just showed up to collect his paycheque.

[Boinko]

Meh, who knows. If he is, he certainly has a funny way of showing it. But I guess its too be expected when you're on the UFC payroll.

Maybe he gets defensive because boxing people attack MMA, and he fights fire with fire.
It's too bad because the interview with Lou Dibella was a perfect chance for Rogan to take the high road and praise both sports. instead, he went on the attack.

[OuterDrake]

Yes he is right. Only the most deluded, ignorant MMA fans actually believe top ranked boxers would lose to MMA fighters in a boxing match.
MMA fighters have boxing coaches, but that's only part of their training. They are NOT boxers.

not just boxing but k1 as well.

Lets not forget that Sylvia threw leg kicks at mercer.

[scurlaruntings]

The most dilusional person is Tim Sylvia actually thinking he could box with Mercer and to think he has a boxing career. Sylvia has been outstruck by lesser strikers let alone Mercer even at his age can throw them especially at 310lb stationary target.To be fair that fight lasted what 9 seconds? Tim opened up by throwing one kick. Im pretty sure Tim decided to fight MMA rules after throwing that kick. Either way its rather subjective as 9 seconds is way to short a time to say definitively that Tim WAS electing to standup. Facts of the matter are these: Tim is slow as fuck. Tim's standup is poor, he uses his size to compensate for that. His only strength though is his standup.

When was the last time anyone seen Tim shoot for a single leg or double leg and pull guard. Rarely because Tim isnt athletic enough to do anything other than walk forward like a robot stuck in its 1st gear. When in the UFC Tim came in at 265lbs. For that fight he was well over 300lbs. Tim definitly took Mercer lighly because Mercer is dam near 50. But Tim also isnt smart enough to realise that he really isnt as good as he thinks he is. The last thing a boxer ever looses is his punch and with a slow guy like Tim the result would only ever have been a resounding KO be it MMA rules or Boxing. Thats exactly what happened.

[boxingcar]

Tim also isnt smart enough to realise that he really isnt as good as he thinks he is. The last thing a boxer ever looses is his punch and with a slow guy like Tim the result would only ever have been a resounding KO be it MMA rules or Boxing. Thats exactly what happened.

absolutely.

[achillesthegreat]

To be fair that fight lasted what 9 seconds? Tim opened up by throwing one kick. Im pretty sure Tim decided to fight MMA rules after throwing that kick. Either way its rather subjective as 9 seconds is way to short a time to say definitively that Tim WAS electing to standup. Facts of the matter are these: Tim is slow as fuck. Tim's standup is poor, he uses his size to compensate for that. His only strength though is his standup.

When was the last time anyone seen Tim shoot for a single leg or double leg and pull guard. Rarely because Tim isnt athletic enough to do anything other than walk forward like a robot stuck in its 1st gear. When in the UFC Tim came in at 265lbs. For that fight he was well over 300lbs. Tim definitly took Mercer lighly because Mercer is dam near 50. But Tim also isnt smart enough to realise that he really isnt as good as he thinks he is. The last thing a boxer ever looses is his punch and with a slow guy like Tim the result would only ever have been a resounding KO be it MMA rules or Boxing. Thats exactly what happened.
Bingo.

[sugarngold]

Tim Sylvia is shit. Has always been shit and the UFC heavyweight division was a joke with him and Arlovski trading the championship back and forth. Two limited fighters that only made it to the top at the time because the best heavyweights were in Japan.

[Bill Butcher]

He is right.

Yep

[socrates]

oh dear..

outerdrake your really reaching now its getting painfull,now the object of his affections has once again been exposed i.e kongo :lol: he is reduced to starting threads about a middle aged former boxer,wheres your avatar gone???????????

prick.

:lol:

tim sylvia and ray mercer hahahahahahaha,you sad twat,outerdrake is so delusional and blinded by his own little agenda's and prejudice it renders him meaningless in the grander scheme of things i mean how can we take a guy seriously who thinks cheick kongos is the next great heavyweight??

no one respects your opinion,this thread like you is pathetic.

[AnthonyJ74]

He could've thrown when he was backed up against the cage. He didnt. An elite boxer would have easily slipped and countered Kimbos shots if confronted with a similar situation.

Old man Mercer just showed up to collect his paycheque.

Even when Mercer was covering up against the cage, Kimbo was throwing these weird, chopping, lumberjack-looking punches that Mercer was deflecting. Mercer wasn't in any trouble; he was just waiting for Kimbo to shoot his load before opening up. But Mercer seemed to forget that they were in an MMA fight and not a boxing match. Kimbo wimped out in that fight. He was talking like he was going to smash Mercer with his fists and punch him out, etc.....

[AnthonyJ74]

Joe Rogan seems like the kind of guy who would send himself flowers to prove how popular he is.....He seems to be an arrogant, cocky prick!

[scurlaruntings]

Joe Rogan seems like the kind of guy who would send himself flowers to prove how popular he is.....He seems to be an arrogant, cocky prick!Not really. Rogan smokes alot of weed and is just a very exciteable guy who gets carried away with himself. His partner in crime Goldberg doesnt help as Goldberg is just a bumbling idiot who even after all these years knows fuck all about MMA. Renallo pisses all over him. Thats a REAL sports broadcaster.

[charlievint]

Joe Rogan is absolutely not a boxing fan. He knows absolutely nothing about it.

Nah...Joe is a fan. He likes to watch boxing but he has vested interest in MMA. He know a lot about the sport and has some intelligence when speaking on boxing....he's just sometimes biased when talking to people who downplay MMA.

[thebrodstar]

One thing about Rogan is that he is a boxing fan, even though he's been known to criticize it when he is forced to defend MMA against some of the dumb things people say about it. It's nice to see him give props to boxers and acknowledge the obvious.

Rogan doesn't criticize boxing as a whole just the promotions that ruin it. He has never said anything bad about a fighter himself thoguh to my knowledge.

[cdnboxing]

Maybe he gets defensive because boxing people attack MMA, and he fights fire with fire.
It's too bad because the interview with Lou Dibella was a perfect chance for Rogan to take the high road and praise both sports. instead, he went on the attack.

Well if so thats incredibly childish considering boxing arent the ones who started it.

Dana White and his UFC puppets like Rogan are the ones who opened their mouth first because they needed someway to legitimize their sport.

Bashing boxing was the 1st thing on their agenda.

[scurlaruntings]

Rogan doesn't criticize boxing as a whole just the promotions that ruin it. He has never said anything bad about a fighter himself thoguh to my knowledge.The promotions do EXACTLY what Dana does. Its just an extremely poor attempt at leverage.

[thebrodstar]

The promotions do EXACTLY what Dana does. Its just an extremely poor attempt at leverage.

MMA promotes their fighters better. When I watch and MMA event I usually know who all the fighter, even on the undercard. But when I get a Boxing event I only watch the main event and no matter how hard I try to find info about the other fighters there is no info provided.

And, I am not sure who thinks Joe Rogan is not a boxing fan but he comments regularly on Boxing events and seems to stay current on the whos who of the boxing seen..... sounds like a fan too me.........

[sugarngold]

I've heard Rogan mention his favorite fighters as Pernell Whitaker, James Toney, and Bernard Hopkins. He is a boxing fan as well as a MMA fan.

[scurlaruntings]

MMA promotes their fighters better. When I watch and MMA event I usually know who all the fighter, even on the undercard. But when I get a Boxing event I only watch the main event and no matter how hard I try to find info about the other fighters there is no info provided.

And, I am not sure who thinks Joe Rogan is not a boxing fan but he comments regularly on Boxing events and seems to stay current on the whos who of the boxing seen..... sounds like a fan too me.........Subjective. Its in the interests of the promotion who normally have a stable of fighters to promote them as best as they can according to their talent popularity etc for the most profitable show. Thats no diffrent to Bob Arum and his stable of fighters. Or Sports Network with Frank Warren and his fighters. Except all the fighters are treated as seperate entities. Its an entirely diffrent business model thats vastly more rewarding than MMA espcially the UFC.

[NewMexico]

Wasent the UFC Pres Dana White a Am Boxer?

[scurlaruntings]

Wasent the UFC Pres Dana White a Am Boxer?
As far as i know he was a boxercise instructor but thats as far as it goes. Other than that he's a first class pussy.