Joe Calzaghe vs. Dariusz Michalczewski at LHW

[KOTF]

Who wins it?

[PowerPuncher]

Calzaghe, better boxer, better workrate, faster and DM isn't the monster allot try to make him out to be

[Mendoza]

Who wins it?

While I think DM was a tough and under rated fighter, he did have issues with speedy skilled guys, and Clazghe fits that mold. I'd go with Clazaghe to win a clear, but not over impressive decision as he plays it safe and out maneuvers Michalczewski.

One day there will be a triva question. Who was the only man to beat Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones?

[Xplosive]

While I think DM was a tough and under rated fighter, he did have issues with speedy skilled guys, and Clazghe fits that mold. I'd go with Clazaghe to win a clear, but not over impressive decision as he plays it safe and out maneuvers Michalczewski.

One day there will be a triva question. Who was the only man to beat Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones?

Father time.

We all know that Slopppy Joe would have lost to prime versions of Roy & Hopkins.

[Mendoza]

Father time.

We all know that Slopppy Joe would have lost to prime versions of Roy & Hopkins.

Well, Calzaghe was old and past his prime for those fights too. I think Clazaghe had enough speed to edge Hopkins, who kind of struggled with speedy skills guys....even in his prime.

Jones vs Calzaghe would be a good one. Jones hit harder, and was a triffle faster, but he didn't like pressure fighters who threw lots of punches and had a suspect chin.

[teeto]

Father time.

.

Just looked up his record on boxrec, looks like the guy hand picked all his opponents in attempt to dress up his resume into something fancy.

Check this out, among others he has several wins over Sugar Ray Robinson, a fourth round tko over Larry Holmes, he had a lengthy series with Roberto Duran, and from a write up i read he blew Ray Leonard out in his last fight, get this- he stopped Jack Johnson in round 26!

Doesn't fool me though

[Russell]

Well, Calzaghe was old and past his prime for those fights too. I think Clazaghe had enough speed to edge Hopkins, who kind of struggled with speedy skills guys....even in his prime.

Jones vs Calzaghe would be a good one. Jones hit harder, and was a triffle faster, but he didn't like pressure fighters who threw lots of punches and had a suspect chin.

Oh christ, why he put on his careet best performances right before the Hopkin's and Jones fight, back to back against Lacy and Kessler, right?

[Seamus]

Father time.

We all know that Slopppy Joe would have lost to prime versions of Roy & Hopkins.

I don't know this. Considering one is only two years older than Joe and the other had one of his career best victories post Calzaghe-loss. And the fact Calzaghe was well past his prime in both fights.

[PowerPuncher]

Well, Calzaghe was old and past his prime for those fights too.

You think his prime was when he was getting a gift decision against Robin Reid :hey

[TheGreatA]

Calzaghe was at his best for the Kessler/Lacy fights.

Perhaps he had the ability to put on such performances even earlier in his career but he sure was good at hiding that ability in his struggles with Robin Reid, David Starie, Kabary Salem, Evans Ashira, unspectacular performances.

[Kaki]

I don't know this. Considering one is only two years older than Joe and the other had one of his career best victories post Calzaghe-loss. And the fact Calzaghe was well past his prime in both fights.

well past his prime my ass. Hopkins was 7(or 11) years removed from his best fight. calzaghe's best win directly preceded vs. hopkins. RJJ was done after Ruiz.

i see fools like shotgun spewing crap like "calzaghe was way past his prime. he relied on his reflexes and speed. he had amazing defense reflexes blah blah blah" goddamn, it's enough to make a man ill.

[Seamus]

You think his prime was when he was getting a gift decision against Robin Reid :hey


Please. That was a gift?

OK. Nice rationale.

[Seamus]

well past his prime my ass. Hopkins was 7(or 11) years removed from his best fight. calzaghe's best win directly preceded vs. hopkins. RJJ was done after Ruiz.

i see fools like shotgun spewing crap like "calzaghe was way past his prime. he relied on his reflexes and speed. he had amazing defense reflexes blah blah blah" goddamn, it's enough to make a man ill.

His hands were fucking cornflakes by this time. He was 37!

Hopkins went on to beat Pavlik and declared the new Archie Moore.

The truth lies rather in between, but scoreboard is scoreboard. Calzaghe won both times. Calzaghe was faster and hit way harder years before. If you are a new observer to him, great. But then maybe you better you suffer from not seeing his earlier career.

[Kaki]

His hands were fucking cornflakes by this time. He was 37!

Hopkins went on to beat Pavlik and declared the new Archie Moore.

The truth lies rather in between, but scoreboard is scoreboard. Calzaghe won both times. Calzaghe was faster and hit way harder years before. If you are a new observer to him, great. But then maybe you better you suffer from not seeing his earlier career.

i did see a few of his earlier fights, most notable was the one with eubank. his style was ugly as shit back then as well and seemed more crude, but he did have more pop and less of the pathetic slapping flurries.

but i believe prime hopkins rips calzaghe a new asshole. as for rjj? well that goes w/o saying.

[JonesHagler]

i think calzaghe would win this by UD.

[Seamus]

i did see a few of his earlier fights, most notable was the one with eubank. his style was ugly as shit back then as well and seemed more crude, but he did have more pop and less of the pathetic slapping flurries.

but i believe prime hopkins rips calzaghe a new asshole. as for rjj? well that goes w/o saying.


isn't it sad when effective is better than pretty?

[GPater11093]

Just looked up his record on boxrec, looks like the guy hand picked all his opponents in attempt to dress up his resume into something fancy.

Check this out, among others he has several wins over Sugar Ray Robinson, a fourth round tko over Larry Holmes, he had a lengthy series with Roberto Duran, and from a write up i read he blew Ray Leonard out in his last fight, get this- he stopped Jack Johnson in round 26!

Doesn't fool me though

isnt he undefeated.

hes been around forever i think hes neverr got quite the praise he deserves for some of his wins

[PowerPuncher]

Please. That was a gift?

OK. Nice rationale.

Most are split 50-50 on Reid-Calzaghe, just like most are split on ancient BHOPs-JC, Joe didnt want a rematch with either and Reid was pretty below average.

Its hard to rate JCs prime, his competition until 2006 was abysmal, probably 3 top 10 rated fighters in the whole time. Thats top10 at 168 not P4P

[DINAMITA]

well past his prime my ass. Hopkins was 7(or 11) years removed from his best fight. calzaghe's best win directly preceded vs. hopkins. RJJ was done after Ruiz.

Spot on. :happy

[BITCH ASS]

Dariuz is as straight up and convention belt as they come. He had a chin. Great.

Calzaghe can actually box, so if he were to lose, it would be a huge upset.

[teeto]

isnt he undefeated.

hes been around forever i think hes neverr got quite the praise he deserves for some of his wins
Nar i'm not convinced by him, don't you dare put him in the 'wins that get no credit' thread or we'll fall out.

[Mendoza]

Most are split 50-50 on Reid-Calzaghe, just like most are split on ancient BHOPs-JC, Joe didnt want a rematch with either and Reid was pretty below average.

Its hard to rate JCs prime, his competition until 2006 was abysmal, probably 3 top 10 rated fighters in the whole time. Thats top10 at 168 not P4P

Most are 50/50 on Clazaghe and Reid? Who are the " most people " you are referring to? Clazaghe won that fight. You thought Hopkins beat Clazaghe, correct? Sometimes you produce odd scorecards, Power Puncher.

Hopkins can not be considered shot for the Calzaghe fight, because he put on a top performance vs Pavlik coming off the loss. Therefore, the Clazgahe win over Hopkins means something.

While I agree Clazaghe's resume lacks top opponents early on. Yet he did prove he was the best in his division for many years. Calzaghe made 20+ title defenses, and retired un-defeated with wins over Kessler, Hopkins, Lacy, and Jones.

[PowerPuncher]

Most are 50/50 on Clazaghe and Reid? Who are the " most people " you are referring to? Clazaghe won that fight. You thought Hopkins beat Clazaghe, correct? Sometimes you produce odd scorecards, Power Puncher.

Hopkins can not be considered shot for the Calzaghe fight, because he put on a top performance vs Pavlik coming off the loss. Therefore, the Clazgahe win over Hopkins means something.

While I agree Clazaghe's resume lacks top opponents early on. Yet he did prove he was the best in his division for many years. Calzaghe made 20+ title defenses, and retired un-defeated with wins over Kessler, Hopkins, Lacy, and Jones.

Firstly you havent seen Calzaghe-Reid as it wasnt shown in the US, most Brit fans are divided on the fight, Reid couldn't miss the right all night long and the crowd boo'ed the decision. Many Brit fans wanted JF-Reid 2, and then many wanted JC-Woods, then JC-Froch, none happened, JC is the sort of fight who worried about his zero too much even though he should have schooled all 3 of these fighters.

Hopkins wasnt shot v Calzaghe but Hopkins was 15years past his physical prime (although he technically got better after that)

Calzaghe is indeed a great with many question marks over his head

[Bill Butcher]

Calzaghe outpoints Michalzzz[Only registered and activated users can see links] all day long, any time.

[Mendoza]

Firstly you havent seen Calzaghe-Reid as it wasnt shown in the US, most Brit fans are divided on the fight, Reid couldn't miss the right all night long and the crowd boo'ed the decision. Many Brit fans wanted JF-Reid 2, and then many wanted JC-Woods, then JC-Froch, none happened, JC is the sort of fight who worried about his zero too much even though he should have schooled all 3 of these fighters.

Hopkins wasnt shot v Calzaghe but Hopkins was 15years past his physical prime (although he technically got better after that)

Calzaghe is indeed a great with many question marks over his head

Clazaghe vs Reid is on you tube. I have seen it. Calzahge won the fight. It was an off night for Joe, but he won more rounds, thus won the decsion.

Woods would be no match for Clazaghe.

[Bill Butcher]

He cant touch JC for speed & skills & JCs chin without doubt holds up, no way I see the slow overrated Michalzewyyykkkzzzziiii winning this, he gets outpointed at least 8-4.

[Bill Butcher]

Father time.

We all know that Slopppy Joe would have lost to prime versions of Roy & Hopkins.

Lets not go down this road again.... Jones likely outpoints JC & JC-Hop could go either way, I favour the faster Calzaghe myself.

[Bill Butcher]

Most are 50/50 on Clazaghe and Reid? Who are the " most people " you are referring to? Clazaghe won that fight. You thought Hopkins beat Clazaghe, correct? Sometimes you produce odd scorecards, Power Puncher.

Hopkins can not be considered shot for the Calzaghe fight, because he put on a top performance vs Pavlik coming off the loss. Therefore, the Clazgahe win over Hopkins means something.

While I agree Clazaghe's resume lacks top opponents early on. Yet he did prove he was the best in his division for many years. Calzaghe made 20+ title defenses, and retired un-defeated with wins over Kessler, Hopkins, Lacy, and Jones.

They all know it but your wasting your time, half of these cunts point blank refuse to admit Calzaghe is a great fighter for one reason.... HE RETIRED UNDEFEATED.

They never got a chance to see him lose despite the fact he retired at 36/37 (quite old for the majority of fighters)

It kills them because he came over to America & beat 2 of their generations absolute best fighters, they boil with rage = :twisted: :D because he got out at the right time unlike so many others.

Hopkins & Jones fans will always hold a grudge & that shit makes me sleep good, real good because there`s fuck all they can do about it.

46-0 = a hard pill to swallow :lol:

[GPater11093]

Nar i'm not convinced by him, don't you dare put him in the 'wins that get no credit' thread or we'll fall out.

i think hes underated look at his wins there amazing, then look at his longevity its truly astonishing.

A very overlooked fighter possibly P4P 1

Most are 50/50 on Clazaghe and Reid? Who are the " most people " you are referring to? Clazaghe won that fight. You thought Hopkins beat Clazaghe, correct? Sometimes you produce odd scorecards, Power Puncher.


It was a very close fight i had Calzaghe by 1. Although my brother had it 1 to Reid, it was a very close fight.

Reid landed his straigth right cleanly but Calzaghe was landing so many shots it was a tough fight to score i thought a Draw or a JC win would have been fair. It was a JC off-night IMO

Firstly you havent seen Calzaghe-Reid as it wasnt shown in the US, most Brit fans are divided on the fight, Reid couldn't miss the right all night long and the crowd boo'ed the decision. Many Brit fans wanted JF-Reid 2, and then many wanted JC-Woods, then JC-Froch, none happened, JC is the sort of fight who worried about his zero too much even though he should have schooled all 3 of these fighters.


Yeh Jeff Fenech vs Robin Reid was wanted here. :good

It was booed and it probably did deserve a rematch but Calzaghe did say

'They didnt want a piece of me when they was champ but now im champ everyone wants a piece of me (meaning the British world champs in Woodhall and Reid)'

So Reid probably deserved not getting a rematch

[PowerPuncher]

1 .i think hes underated look at his wins there amazing, then look at his longevity its truly astonishing. A very overlooked fighter possibly P4P 1


2. It was a very close fight i had Calzaghe by 1. Although my brother had it 1 to Reid, it was a very close fight.Reid landed his straigth right cleanly but Calzaghe was landing so many shots it was a tough fight to score i thought a Draw or a JC win would have been fair. It was a JC off-night IMO



3. Yeh Jeff Fenech vs Robin Reid was wanted here. :good

It was booed and it probably did deserve a rematch but Calzaghe did say
'They didnt want a piece of me when they was champ but now im champ everyone wants a piece of me (meaning the British world champs in Woodhall and Reid)'

So Reid probably deserved not getting a rematch

1. Which wins exactly do you rank as 'Amazing'?

2. Exactly very close could have gone either way

3. Calzaghe also said 'I'd never fight Roy Jones, hes shot', Reid would have fought Calzaghe when champ if the offer was good but he certainly warranted a rematch and Calzaghe fought far worse opposition after this fight

[GPater11093]

1. Which wins exactly do you rank as 'Amazing'?

2. Exactly very close could have gone either way

3. Calzaghe also said 'I'd never fight Roy Jones, hes shot', Reid would have fought Calzaghe when champ if the offer was good but he certainly warranted a rematch and Calzaghe fought far worse opposition after this fight

question number 1 was a private joke with Teeto unless you actually think we are discussing a fighter called 'father time' which is fairly weird. You got mixed up wih Calzaghe there.

2. Yes a very close fight but shouldnt a close fight favour the champion?

3. Joe did say that. Also i really dont think Joe had down enough to deserve a title shot until he beat Eubank

[MrPR]

YOU PEOPLE ARE SUCH LIARS!!! STOP LYING 2 YA SELFS!! JOE WAZ NOTHIN GREAT AND NEVA WILL BE,HE WAZ OVERRATED AND A FRAUD AND dIRIUSZ WOULDVE KO HIS ASS,DATS IT!!!I HAD IT!!! IM FED UP WIT CAZLAGHES FANS!!! I HOPE HE COMES BACK OUT OF RETIREMENT AND GET HIS ASS KNOCKED OUT!!! I CANT STAND OVERRATED FIGHTERS!!

[teeto]

i think hes underated look at his wins there amazing, then look at his longevity its truly astonishing.

A very overlooked fighter possibly P4P 1

That's it we're gunna fall out:lol:

[teeto]

question number 1 was a private joke with Teeto unless you actually think we are discussing a fighter called 'father time' which is fairly weird.

:rofl:rofl:rofl

[GPater11093]

That's it we're gunna fall out:lol:

'gunna'

its actually

going too

[teeto]

'gunna'

its actually

going too
Or is it going 'to', (with one o)

Did yourself there mate, like Jack Dempsey said, keep your guard up at all times!

[Bummy Davis]

Well, Calzaghe was old and past his prime for those fights too. I think Clazaghe had enough speed to edge Hopkins, who kind of struggled with speedy skills guys....even in his prime.

Jones vs Calzaghe would be a good one. Jones hit harder, and was a triffle faster, but he didn't like pressure fighters who threw lots of punches and had a suspect chin.


I agree with this but in regard to Hopkins he looked better @ 175 than he ever did as a middle IMO,,,,,I still think Calzage beat him clear enough and made B-Hop hold and fake a foul to rest

[Seamus]

3. Calzaghe also said 'I'd never fight Roy Jones, hes shot', Reid would have fought Calzaghe when champ if the offer was good but he certainly warranted a rematch and Calzaghe fought far worse opposition after this fight

Didn't Calzaghe give one of the greatest ass-whippings in history to the guy who gave Reid a similar shallacking? I really don't see the point unless it was an immediate rematch, and then I still don't see the point because Joe won the first fight going away.

[hitman_hatton1]

calzaghe on a decision.

without doubt as well.

too fast and tough enough to take it when d-man wakes up after his customary slow start. :bbb

[PhillyPhan69]

isnt he undefeated.

hes been around forever i think hes neverr got quite the praise he deserves for some of his wins

Agreed!~ Bashing calzaghe is kinda the in thing to do. He is not one of my fav's but he has grown on my over the past couple of years. I think he could have stretched himself to acomplish more (in terms of legacy not record), by challenging some bigger names a few years earlier. But in the last few years he has stepped his game up. Eubank (past his best, but still anice win...I know that was years ago) & Hopkins (also past his best, but no doubt a world class fighter at this time...although I had hop's by a point) are great wins. I don't put a lot of stock in the RJJ victory...But the way he demolished Kessler and lacy are amazing performances. I agree with many on here that say Hop's and RJJ beat him prime for prime, but you could say that about quite a few SMW-LHW's! Calzaghe at his best is a tough opponent for anyone!

[Beeston Brawler]

Didn't Calzaghe give one of the greatest ass-whippings in history to the guy who gave Reid a similar shallacking? I really don't see the point unless it was an immediate rematch, and then I still don't see the point because Joe won the first fight going away.

Yes, but Reid was far better in 1999 than he was in 2005 against Lacy.

A bit like comparing the Riddick Bowe of Holyfield I to the one that got in against Golota.

[trampie]

You think his prime was when he was getting a gift decision against Robin Reid :hey


Calzaghe won the fight on two of the judges cards 116-111 !!!
{The only controversy is the other judge giving the fight to the home boxer}

Calzaghe hurt his hand early in the fight.
{Calzaghe also had food poisoning}

PS - It is unlikely an English fighter fighting in England will get robbed fighting a welshman!

[DINAMITA]

He cant touch JC for speed & skills & JCs chin without doubt holds up, no way I see the slow overrated Michalzewyyykkkzzzziiii winning this, he gets outpointed at least 8-4.

Joe Calzaghe and "skills".

I've seen all of his fights and I just cannot work out where people see these "skills" at all.

The guy was a very good fighter, but this was due to the way he used his excellent physical attributes (strong, fast hands, great stamina, great chin).

He did not have good skills IMO, that wasn't his game. And his defence was always amateurish.

[trampie]

Calzaghe did say

'They didnt want a piece of me when they was champ but now im champ everyone wants a piece of me (meaning the British world champs in Woodhall and Reid)'

So Reid probably deserved not getting a rematch

Thats correct, Reid would not give Calzaghe a crack at his WBC title and when Calzaghe beat Eubank to win the WBO title, Calzaghe wanted a unification fight between the two unbeaten British fighters, Reid would not have it, Reid then lost for the first time, in doing so losing his WBC title, although Reid would not put his title on the line against Calzaghe, Calzaghe was prepared to put his newly aquired WBO title on the line against Reid, Calzaghe went to England and fought the ex Olympic medalist and 4 time WBC champ in his own back yard and beat him, even though Calzaghe damaged his hand very early in the fight {for the first time in his career as far as I know} and had food poisoning.

There is not enough love or respect on these boards for Joe Calzaghe, I am afraid ?

He beats England's finest in England, Eubank, Reid and Woodhall.
He beats Americas finest in the USA , Hopkins and Jones Jr.

Perhaps the reason for Calzaghe not been loved is England's population is over 50 million people, America's population is over 300 million people,
thats a total of over 350 million unhappy people, {their boxers been beaten on home soil by Joe Calzaghe}. The population of Wales is only 2.9 million, that is why the haters out number the enlightend people.

[Bill Butcher]

Joe Calzaghe and "skills".

You dont get to become top 3 p4p in the world, all time greatest SMWT champion & best post war British fighter with no skills.

[Mantequilla]

He's not the best post war British fighter.Not even the best welsh one imo.

[Bill Butcher]

He's not the best post war British fighter.Not even the best welsh one imo.

He`s the best post war Welsh fighter, please dont even go there & who exactly would you rank over him post war in Britain ? please dont make me fall off my chair (again) by saying Lennox Lewis.

[PowerPuncher]

Didn't Calzaghe give one of the greatest ass-whippings in history to the guy who gave Reid a similar shallacking? I really don't see the point unless it was an immediate rematch, and then I still don't see the point because Joe won the first fight going away.

He fought Reid in 1999, Lacy in 2006, so pretty irrelevant, it wasnt as if he was fighting anyone good from 1999-2006 anyway.

[DINAMITA]

He`s the best post war Welsh fighter, please dont even go there & who exactly would you rank over him post war in Britain ? please dont make me fall off my chair (again) by saying Lennox Lewis.

Ken Buchanan and Lennox Lewis were both better fighters. H2H, there is an argument for John Conteh as well.

And many fighters do achieve great things without technical skills being one of their strengths. Joe had a good career and can be proud of his achievements, but in my opinion (many may disagree, fair enough) his success was founded on physical and mental strengths, he was not a particularly skilled boxer and never displayed any great technical skills.

[PowerPuncher]

1. Calzaghe won the fight on two of the judges cards 116-111 !!!
{The only controversy is the other judge giving the fight to the home boxer}

2. Calzaghe hurt his hand early in the fight.
{Calzaghe also had food poisoning}

3. PS - It is unlikely an English fighter fighting in England will get robbed fighting a welshman!

Lets pretend for a miniute you're not a Calzaghe nuthugger and want an honest discussion

1. The controversy was many thought Reid won

2. Excuses for losing to Reid :yep

3. Unless the Welshman is a Frank ****** fighter and therefore the home fighter by default, the judges are hardly going to go against a ****** fighter

[PowerPuncher]

He`s the best post war Welsh fighter, please dont even go there & who exactly would you rank over him post war in Britain ? please dont make me fall off my chair (again) by saying Lennox Lewis.

Lennox took on top3 rated fighters in his divsion year on year from 1992-2003, Calzaghe went a space of 5years only facing one top10 fighter in his division despite being a WBO belt holder, not to mention nearly all of his opponents were coming off loses within a year or 2 of facing him:

Woods/Reid/Mitchell/Brewer - all lost a year prior to facing JC
Eubanks/Jones - lost 2-3years prior and had no good wins after those losses
Hopkins lost -2-3years prior

I think Mantequilla is saying he ranks Jimmy Wilde over Calzaghe

[Beeston Brawler]

Lewis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Calzaghe

How many heavyweights can you name from the post-Ali era that were better than Lewis?

A sensible answer range is between none and two.

How many fighters from 160-175 from Europe alone were better than Calzaghe in the same period.....

DM, Maske, Benn, Eubank, Watson, Graham - all possibles, none certainties of course :good

[Bill Butcher]

Ken Buchanan and Lennox Lewis were both better fighters. H2H, there is an argument for John Conteh as well.

And many fighters do achieve great things without technical skills being one of their strengths. Joe had a good career and can be proud of his achievements, but in my opinion (many may disagree, fair enough) his success was founded on physical and mental strengths, he was not a particularly skilled boxer and never displayed any great technical skills.

Fair enough, to each their own I suppose.

Possibly Buchanan could be better but not Lewis, he`s became terribly overrated in the last few yrs, terribly.

[Bill Butcher]

Lewis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Calzaghe

How many heavyweights can you name from the post-Ali era that were better than Lewis?

A sensible answer range is between none and two.

How many fighters from 160-175 from Europe alone were better than Calzaghe in the same period.....

DM, Maske, Benn, Eubank, Watson, Graham - all possibles, none certainties of course :good

None of those guys were better than Calzaghe, now its getting silly (as it always does because of the hate for JC on ESB)

Only Tyson & Holmes were better at HWT than Lewis since Ali IMO, I take nothing from LL, I just dont think he`s as good as some of you think in ESB land.

[Beeston Brawler]

Holmes I can accept, but don't really agree with, ditto Holyfield.

As I said, those were only possibles.... I see Calzaghe having trouble with DM, and Maske certainly until the mid-late rounds. As for the other Brit fighters, I think Graham would stand Calzaghe on his head until being caught at some stage - JC always looked shit going forward against decent oppo (see Hopkins, rounds 1-4 vs Kessler)..... not really thought too much in detail about how potential matchups with Watson, Benn and a peak (1991) Eubank would go.

[Bill Butcher]

Holmes I can accept, but don't really agree with, ditto Holyfield.

As I said, those were only possibles.... I see Calzaghe having trouble with DM, and Maske certainly until the mid-late rounds. As for the other Brit fighters, I think Graham would stand Calzaghe on his head until being caught at some stage - JC always looked shit going forward against decent oppo (see Hopkins, rounds 1-4 vs Kessler)..... not really thought too much in detail about how potential matchups with Watson, Benn and a peak (1991) Eubank would go.

Calzaghe achieved more AND would beat all those guys h2h, Ive no doubt there.

Lewis was a far better HWT than Holyfield but not quite as good as Holmes & Tyson (all primes of course)

[Beeston Brawler]

That Calzaghe achieved more is debatable, certainly in some of those cases.

[Boro chris]

He`s the best post war Welsh fighter, please dont even go there & who exactly would you rank over him post war in Britain ? please dont make me fall off my chair (again) by saying Lennox Lewis.

Lewis achieved far more, and if you want to talk about actual talent I doubt there's been a better British post war fighter than Conteh.
However JC is still excellent and I would comfortably pick him against DM.
Benn, prime Eubank and Graham would all pose dificult challenges but I'd make him the favourite against all of them.

[Boro chris]

YOU PEOPLE ARE SUCH LIARS!!! STOP LYING 2 YA SELFS!! JOE WAZ NOTHIN GREAT AND NEVA WILL BE,HE WAZ OVERRATED AND A FRAUD AND dIRIUSZ WOULDVE KO HIS ASS,DATS IT!!!I HAD IT!!! IM FED UP WIT CAZLAGHES FANS!!! I HOPE HE COMES BACK OUT OF RETIREMENT AND GET HIS ASS KNOCKED OUT!!! I CANT STAND OVERRATED FIGHTERS!!

:rofl

[DINAMITA]

Fair enough, to each their own I suppose.

Possibly Buchanan could be better but not Lewis, he`s became terribly overrated in the last few yrs, terribly.

Lewis's resume and achievements are both significantly better than Calzaghe's. End of argument, as far as I'm concerned.

Buchanan and Conteh were better in terms of ability.

[GPater11093]

:rofl:rofl:rofl

i know people think i have been meaning Calazghe

Agreed!~ Bashing calzaghe is kinda the in thing to do. He is not one of my fav's but he has grown on my over the past couple of years. I think he could have stretched himself to acomplish more (in terms of legacy not record), by challenging some bigger names a few years earlier. But in the last few years he has stepped his game up. Eubank (past his best, but still anice win...I know that was years ago) & Hopkins (also past his best, but no doubt a world class fighter at this time...although I had hop's by a point) are great wins. I don't put a lot of stock in the RJJ victory...But the way he demolished Kessler and lacy are amazing performances. I agree with many on here that say Hop's and RJJ beat him prime for prime, but you could say that about quite a few SMW-LHW's! Calzaghe at his best is a tough opponent for anyone!

Sorry PP69, ive made you look abit stupid here but i was having a joke with Teeto about father time being underrated and afew people think im speaking about Joe. Our Brit sense of humour its weird aint it?

but your excellant post makes up for misinterpreting me.

You dont get to become top 3 p4p in the world, all time greatest SMWT champion & best post war British fighter with no skills.

:nono

ever heard of Ken Buchanan

He's not the best post war British fighter.Not even the best welsh one imo.

:good

He`s the best post war Welsh fighter, please dont even go there & who exactly would you rank over him post war in Britain ? please dont make me fall off my chair (again) by saying Lennox Lewis.

not exactly presithous though. Like saying im the best at running in the wing of amputees.

[BITCH ASS]

YOU PEOPLE ARE SUCH LIARS!!! STOP LYING 2 YA SELFS!! JOE WAZ NOTHIN GREAT AND NEVA WILL BE,HE WAZ OVERRATED AND A FRAUD AND dIRIUSZ WOULDVE KO HIS ASS,DATS IT!!!I HAD IT!!! IM FED UP WIT CAZLAGHES FANS!!! I HOPE HE COMES BACK OUT OF RETIREMENT AND GET HIS ASS KNOCKED OUT!!! I CANT STAND OVERRATED FIGHTERS!!

Like Miguel Cotto?

[PhillyPhan69]

Sorry PP69, ive made you look abit stupid here but i was having a joke with Teeto about father time being underrated and afew people think im speaking about Joe. Our Brit sense of humour its weird aint it?

but your excellant post makes up for misinterpreting me.


Sorry I thought you were refering to Calzaghe and not father time...by the way I have always found him to be largely overrated!

[GPater11093]

Sorry I thought you were refering to Calzaghe and not father time...by the way I have always found him to be largely overrated!

:rofl:rofl

i disagree look at his wins and longevity

as for mixing it up with calzaghe you wasnt the first

[PhillyPhan69]

:rofl:rofl

i disagree look at his wins and longevity

as for mixing it up with calzaghe you wasnt the first

But not one of his victories came against a prime opponent...so I naturally discredited all of them! Peace

[GPater11093]

But not one of his victories came against a prime opponent...so I naturally discredited all of them! Peace

:rofl:rofl

you got me

[Russell]

I'd favor Calzaghe personally.

[teeto]

:rofl:rofl

you got me
Yeah that's what i've been telling you GP, he feasted on the corpses of past greats, you just mustn't respect my opinion.

Thanks for seeing sense PhillyPhan!

Hahaha

[GPater11093]

Yeah that's what i've been telling you GP, he feasted on the corpses of past greats, you just mustn't respect my opinion.

Thanks for seeing sense PhillyPhan!

Hahaha

you didnt put it as simple as that though

[teeto]

you didnt put it as simple as that though

:rofl

It's alright i think we're on the same page now mate:good