Taylor haters (you know who you are)...

[Mrboogie23]

Amsterdam my man, I finally understand why you HATE Taylor so much. it was right before my eyes but I couldnt see it until I read your post in the latest kessler vs calzaghe thread.

You hate Taylor because he gets recognition by people that you wish Calzaghe would get.

Thats crazy man. Can't you just respect both fighters?

[Napoleon]

Amsterdam my man, I finally understand why you HATE Taylor so much. it was right before my eyes but I couldnt see it until I read your post in the latest kessler vs calzaghe thread.

You hate Taylor because he gets recognition by people that you wish Calzaghe would get.

Thats crazy man. Can't you just respect both fighters?

I hate Taylor with all my heart. I also hate Calfaggi.

Guess why.

[DanePugilist]

Amsterdam my man, I finally understand why you HATE Taylor so much. it was right before my eyes but I couldnt see it until I read your post in the latest kessler vs calzaghe thread.

You hate Taylor because he gets recognition by people that you wish Calzaghe would get.

Thats crazy man. Can't you just respect both fighters?Taylor gets respect despite the fact he is a b-lvl fighter. JC dont receive much, despite being elite. I can understand Amsterdam. Its all wrong.

Even the shady Ring p4p ratings show that Taylor's wins are shady and not as good as they appear to be. They just need to fix that Hopkins is no. 3.

[Amsterdam]

Amsterdam my man, I finally understand why you HATE Taylor so much. it was right before my eyes but I couldnt see it until I read your post in the latest kessler vs calzaghe thread.

You hate Taylor because he gets recognition by people that you wish Calzaghe would get.

Thats crazy man. Can't you just respect both fighters?

Not just Calzaghe, but any underrated, true amazing talent. Take Cristian Mijares for example, he gets no talk about him and he is a monster for 112-115-118 weight class fighters, it's unlikely anyone from those classes beats him.

He could fucking kill all of them like he did Arce and he'd still recieve less acclaim than Jermain Taylor would for struggling with overrated names and being competitive with some more overrated elite level names and this drives me wild.:nut

You could pull Calzaghe out of the picture and I'd hate Jermain Taylor.

Let's bring up Chad Dawson, who nearly shutout Adamek, he is not ranked like Taylor is and he's 3x the fighter. Chad will not get his chance against the older circuit, who hogs the P4P rankings.

The worst part is when Pavlik sparks the mother fucker, and I mean it when I say mother fucker, is that they will consider Pavlik on the level of Chad Dawson in ranking and on the level of Mikkel Kessler in ranking. When Pavlik is truly a lesser fighter than someone who doesn't even compare to Dawson and Kessler in MW Arthur Abraham.

If you don't see that Dawson and Kessler are leagues of these overrated jokers, then you are watching with blinders on. Taylor is a flawed fighter who is not a P4P force, who is not even relevant against big MW-SMW competant fighters and yet he is ranked by incorrectly percieved notions.

It is injustice to MANY good fighters, not just Joe Calzaghe. In fact, Calzaghe is hardly in the equation, Arthur Abraham is more so a victim and Mikkel Kessler at 168 of this line of thought. Kessler deserves a top 10 P4P ranking without a doubt, doesn't recieve even a top 15 by most, but Taylor and his run is right in there.:yep

[Zakman]

The main issue with Taylor is the gift decisions. If Taylor hadn't gotten three undeserved nods IN A ROW against ATG fighters, then maybe he wouldn't take the criticism he gets.

The other thing is the record littered with fighters moving up from lower weights. Outside of Hopkins and an old Joppy, what legitimate top level MWs has the guy fought?? Pavlik will be his first - and the take here is that we're gonna find out why he's been fighting smaller guys.

[Amsterdam]

The main issue with Taylor is the gift decisions. If Taylor hadn't gotten three undeserved nods IN A ROW against ATG fighters, then maybe he wouldn't take the criticism he gets.

The other thing is the record littered with fighters moving up from lower weights. Outside of Hopkins and an old Joppy, what legitimate top level MWs has the guy fought?? Pavlik will be his first - and the take here is that we're gonna find out why he's been fighting smaller guys.

And Zak, Pavlik is not on Mikkel Kessler's level of speed and skill...

But he will be ranked over Mikkel Kessler.

Or fuck the SMW's. How about little Mijares? Who's phenominal and going to be heavily avoided. Is this justice to not rank him, when he is virtually superior to everyone from 112-118, but will have issue's landing any fights because of the pansy ducking in this sport currently?

How about if Joan Guzman shuts out Soto? He wouldn't be ranked over Pavlik even if Pavlik won by the skin of his teeth....

This is the absurdity, not looking at HOW fights are won.

[Zakman]

This is the absurdity, not looking at HOW fights are won.

Key point right there. Some fans seem to just take a look at a fighter's record, see that there are some big names on the ledger, and conclude that simply because he's shared a ring with these guys that he's any good. Without understanding what happened in each fight, such "analysis" is bound to be off the mark as often as it hits it.

With Taylor, the record is certainly misleeding. He got - at best - highly debatable decisions against Hopkins and Wright, and the other name fighters he's beaten have either been past it, or moving up from lighter weights. I ask again - what top level MIDDLEWEIGHT has this guy clearly beaten?? Heck, he couldn't even beat welterweight Cory Spinks clearly! :patsch

[Dantes]

Not just Calzaghe, but any underrated, true amazing talent. Take Cristian Mijares for example, he gets no talk about him and he is a monster for 112-115-118 weight class fighters, it's unlikely anyone from those classes beats him.

He could fucking kill all of them like he did Arce and he'd still recieve less acclaim than Jermain Taylor would for struggling with overrated names and being competitive with some more overrated elite level names and this drives me wild.:nut

You could pull Calzaghe out of the picture and I'd hate Jermain Taylor.

Let's bring up Chad Dawson, who nearly shutout Adamek, he is not ranked like Taylor is and he's 3x the fighter. Chad will not get his chance against the older circuit, who hogs the P4P rankings.

The worst part is when Pavlik sparks the mother fucker, and I mean it when I say mother fucker, is that they will consider Pavlik on the level of Chad Dawson in ranking and on the level of Mikkel Kessler in ranking. When Pavlik is truly a lesser fighter than someone who doesn't even compare to Dawson and Kessler in MW Arthur Abraham.

If you don't see that Dawson and Kessler are leagues of these overrated jokers, then you are watching with blinders on. Taylor is a flawed fighter who is not a P4P force, who is not even relevant against big MW-SMW competant fighters and yet he is ranked by incorrectly percieved notions.

It is injustice to MANY good fighters, not just Joe Calzaghe. In fact, Calzaghe is hardly in the equation, Arthur Abraham is more so a victim and Mikkel Kessler at 168 of this line of thought. Kessler deserves a top 10 P4P ranking without a doubt, doesn't recieve even a top 15 by most, but Taylor and his run is right in there.:yep


Good post.:good

[kg0208]

while i agree with alot of what u guys are saying, i still think the guy is a way better fighter than he gets credit for. whether u think he won or lost vs bhop, and wink, he still was right with them for the whole fight. this fight will prove alot for sure. what if he wins??????? than what will be said???????
A question I ask often. I will continue to judge fighters by not only how they win the fight, but who they are fighting against and their styles. If Taylor beats Pavlik, then there should be nothing to say. There really should be nothing to say anyways IMO....if the judges favor Taylor and are giving him gifts, yell about the judges, not Taylor.

[Amsterdam]

A question I ask often. I will continue to judge fighters by not only how they win the fight, but who they are fighting against and their styles.

And that is why you judge them correctly. Styles and the way fights were won are as big of a mark as the resume name way of going about it.

I like how you do not consider Hopkins to be the true LHW champion, because he is not and the win over Wright, who you noted as looking terrible at 170 didn't mean much to you. You even rank Hopkins lower top 10 p4p, this is correct, ranking him in the top 3 at the moment is truly one of the most absurd things in years.

Convince the rest of the clowns though, it's impossible.

[Lacyace]

while i agree with alot of what u guys are saying, i still think the guy is a way better fighter than he gets credit for. whether u think he won or lost vs bhop, and wink, he still was right with them for the whole fight. this fight will prove alot for sure. what if he wins??????? than what will be said???????

You already know. They'll say Pavlik was an overrated, unskilled bum and the REAL challenge was Arthur Abraham. Then after a few weeks, some people will make up stories about how Taylor only took on Pavlik to duck Abraham. And then in a couple of more weeks, people would believe that and hold it as fact. I call it the Floyd Mayweather syndrome.

[kg0208]

And that is why you judge them correctly. Styles and the way fights were won are as big of a mark as the resume name way of going about it.

I like how you do not consider Hopkins to be the true LHW champion, because he is not and the win over Wright, who you noted as looking terrible at 170 didn't mean much to you. You even rank Hopkins lower top 10 p4p, this is correct, ranking him in the top 3 at the moment is truly one of the most absurd things in years.

Convince the rest of the clowns though, it's impossible.
I am on the fence though. You guys hate Taylor. I don't.

I don't blame Taylor for judges.

I don't blame him for close fights. I also don't rank him as high. I think Abraham is the best MW in the world. If he beats Pavlik, he should be praised. If it's a close fight, and he wins, no problem. He hasn't been in any Sturm-DLH type fights IMO.

Hopkins is the champ until he loses, but he is not the best LHW. Dawson is....and Hopkins won't fight him. And beating Wright at 170, where he jumped 2 weight classes to fight him means nothing to me. But thats me.

[TanstA]

Taylor is that dude. The kid does have skills and could take a punch. But I guess we'll see on fight night right?

[Mrboogie23]

Not just Calzaghe, but any underrated, true amazing talent. Take Cristian Mijares for example, he gets no talk about him and he is a monster for 112-115-118 weight class fighters, it's unlikely anyone from those classes beats him.

He could fucking kill all of them like he did Arce and he'd still recieve less acclaim than Jermain Taylor would for struggling with overrated names and being competitive with some more overrated elite level names and this drives me wild.:nut

You could pull Calzaghe out of the picture and I'd hate Jermain Taylor.

Let's bring up Chad Dawson, who nearly shutout Adamek, he is not ranked like Taylor is and he's 3x the fighter. Chad will not get his chance against the older circuit, who hogs the P4P rankings.

The worst part is when Pavlik sparks the mother fucker, and I mean it when I say mother fucker, is that they will consider Pavlik on the level of Chad Dawson in ranking and on the level of Mikkel Kessler in ranking. When Pavlik is truly a lesser fighter than someone who doesn't even compare to Dawson and Kessler in MW Arthur Abraham.

If you don't see that Dawson and Kessler are leagues of these overrated jokers, then you are watching with blinders on. Taylor is a flawed fighter who is not a P4P force, who is not even relevant against big MW-SMW competant fighters and yet he is ranked by incorrectly percieved notions.

It is injustice to MANY good fighters, not just Joe Calzaghe. In fact, Calzaghe is hardly in the equation, Arthur Abraham is more so a victim and Mikkel Kessler at 168 of this line of thought. Kessler deserves a top 10 P4P ranking without a doubt, doesn't recieve even a top 15 by most, but Taylor and his run is right in there.:yep


I think Taylor deserve his ranking, but I never said that he was better then Calzaghe, Dawson or Kessler. I just figured out why you hate Taylor.

Thats all I wanted point out.

:good

I still think its ridiculous to hate a fighter based on something he doesnt have control over.

[Amsterdam]

I think Taylor deserve his ranking, but I never said that he was better then Calzaghe, Dawson or Kessler. I just figured out why you hate Taylor.

Thats all I wanted point out.

:good

I still think its ridiculous to hate a fighter based on something he doesnt have control over.

Taylor represents injustice within the sport of boxing. Just like Sven Ottke did to a higher extent over in Europe.

I still hate Ottke more if it means anything, and John Ruiz more as well.

[trac209]

Taylor has to step it up and stop just trying to coast to win

[Mrboogie23]

Taylor represents injustice within the sport of boxing. Just like Sven Ottke did to a higher extent over in Europe.

I still hate Ottke more if it means anything, and John Ruiz more as well.


:lol: :good


me 2. Look man, I dont disagree with alot of your points, I just disagree with you flat out hating the guy and not respecting him. I can understand hating the media, boxing journalists and fanboys but to just hate Taylor is crazy.

I'm annoyed by klit fans and pacman fans but I dont hate the actual fighters. Its not their fault their fans are crazy.

know what I mean?

[Amsterdam]

:lol: :good


me 2. Look man, I dont disagree with alot of your points, I just disagree with you flat out hating the guy and not respecting him. I can understand hating the media, boxing journalists and fanboys but to just hate Taylor is crazy.

I'm annoyed by klit fans and pacman fans but I dont hate the actual fighters. Its not their fault their fans are crazy.

know what I mean?

I don't like Taylor as a person either. He's a cunt.

[Toopretty]

I don't like Taylor as a person either. He's a cunt.

I dont like you..your a cunt..Man I dislike you:twisted: Overatted opposition... You make me gag.:barf:barf

[Mrboogie23]

I don't like Taylor as a person either. He's a cunt.


:lol:


what? why?

[Amsterdam]

:lol:


what? why?

Because I said so.

[heidegger]

If Taylor is so crap Hopkins should have beat him. im not saying that BHop perhaps wasnt a little unlucky both times but shouldnt he be able to have put the decision beyond doubt (as weve seen him do so many times). Taylor mixed it with Bhop twice so...he gets cred..no?

[Mrboogie23]

Because I said so.


I think Calzaghe is a cuntface blowhard but I dont hate him.

[Toopretty]

Well...seems some posters dont know shit about boxing or boxers and who are good fighters etc etc...that rains rampant on ESB. Clowns to the highest order.

[lillarry]

Taylor gets respect despite the fact he is a b-lvl fighter. JC dont receive much, despite being elite. I can understand Amsterdam. Its all wrong.

Even the shady Ring p4p ratings show that Taylor's wins are shady and not as good as they appear to be. They just need to fix that Hopkins is no. 3.

B-lvl come on man:patsch No b-lvl fighters draws with winky and wins two decisions over Hopkins.

[Amsterdam]

B-lvl come on man:patsch No b-lvl fighters draws with winky and wins two decisions over Hopkins.

A B level guy with a styles advantage can beat an A level guy sometimes, however, they especially can recieve a gift for only winning 5 rounds out of the 12.

Sam Soliman is B level, it was very close, some had it a draw. A huge MW at the B level should give Wright plenty of problems. Wright is a 154 pounder who has plenty of claim to the P4P realm since he's beaten some notable fighters like Mosely and Trinidad, but neither Mosely, nor Trinidad are big MW's like Taylor, Pavlik and Abraham, all of which should defeat Winky at 160 in my opinion.

If Taylor gets sparked by Pavlik, does that make Pavlik P4P? Of course not. Taylor is a B level MW.

[theHawtness]

The main issue with Taylor is the gift decisions. If Taylor hadn't gotten three undeserved nods IN A ROW against ATG fighters, then maybe he wouldn't take the criticism he gets.

The other thing is the record littered with fighters moving up from lower weights. Outside of Hopkins and an old Joppy, what legitimate top level MWs has the guy fought?? Pavlik will be his first - and the take here is that we're gonna find out why he's been fighting smaller guys.
blame the judges for the gift decisions not jermain. you know people like you are the reason why jermain cries every night :verysad