Why was Ray leonard so overrated?

[redrooster]

With so few fights and so many lousy decisions people still think of him as fighter of the decade. :huh

[dave82]

With so few fights and so many lousy decisions people still think of him as fighter of the decade. :huh

You are kidding me right? :roll:

[Thread Stealer]

With so few fights and so many lousy decisions people still think of him as fighter of the decade. :huh

At the Gay Ray bashing again, rooster?

[redrooster]

At the Gay Ray bashing again, rooster?

What did you expect? It's slow at the classic section.

[Toopretty]

At the Gay Ray bashing again, rooster?



:huh:huh Ray is not gay..

[redrooster]

:huh:huh Ray is not gay..

Ray is not gay. He might fight like one but he only likes women.

[Dantes]

With so few fights and so many lousy decisions people still think of him as fighter of the decade. :huh


SRL was a great fighter. To this day he is loved by many, and envied by a few bitter individuals (yourself included).

SRL's got a legacy...you got shit.:good

[redrooster]

SRL was a great fighter. To this day he is loved by many, and envied by a few bitter individuals (yourself included).

SRL's got a legacy...you got shit.:good

Norris proved he wasn't very good. He'll never live it down.

Bernard sucks!

[KO Boxing]

Norris proved he wasn't very good. He'll never live it down.

Bernard sucks!
Yeah, just like Ali will never live down being beaten by Berbick... That also proves he was not very good, too... Right? :huh

[psychopath]

With so few fights and so many lousy decisions people still think of him as fighter of the decade. :huh

Man oh man . . . do yourself a favor and stop making yourself look like an ignorant ass. :yep :good

[redrooster]

Yeah, just like Ali will never live down being beaten by Berbick... That also proves he was not very good, too... Right? :huh

Please, the two bouts are not even comparable. That's just a ploy used to excuse Leonard for his poor showing. Ali had been losing fights for five years-Young, Norton, Shavers, Spinks, Holmes.

[KO Boxing]

Please, the two bouts are not even comparable. That's just a ploy used to excuse Leonard for his poor showing. Ali had been losing fights for five years-Young, Norton, Shavers, Spinks, Holmes.
And Leonard HADN'T BEEN FIGHTING for 5 years...

Oh, except for that one off against Hagler that he won... :yep

Maybe not exactly like that, but Leonard was SO FAR from his prime, it is almost very comparable to Ali-Berbick (which is my escape goat to show people up who use things like Tarver is greater than Roy Jones cause he beat him... :roll: )

[redrooster]

And Leonard HADN'T BEEN FIGHTING for 5 years...

Oh, except for that one off against Hagler that he won... :yep

Maybe not exactly like that, but Leonard was SO FAR from his prime, it is almost very comparable to Ali-Berbick (which is my escape goat to show people up who use things like Tarver is greater than Roy Jones cause he beat him... :roll: )

how do you arrive at leonard being inactive five years? He has no excuse for losing the way he did to Norris.

So you say ray was great, he came back with no tuneup out for 3 years and still beat Hagler. Why didn't ray get even better without the ring rust?

He had the Hagler fight, nine rounds with Lalonde, 12 with Tommy, 12 more with Duran.

Norris was an underdog-no one gave him a chance and Ray was favored to win, he should have won easily but when he doesn't you guys yell foul-"Oh no fair, he was past his prime"

If he was past his prime what was he doing running around the ring with Duran? You didn't see Ali running around with Young, or Shavers, or Spinks, or Norton, or Holmes, or Berbick :lol:

Let alone for the duration of the entire fight!

How do you people come up with such simplistic deception?

[Icemmann]

how do you arrive at leonard being inactive five years? He has no excuse for losing the way he did to Norris.

So you say ray was great, he came back with no tuneup out for 3 years and still beat Hagler. Why didn't ray get even better without the ring rust?

He had the Hagler fight, nine rounds with Lalonde, 12 with Tommy, 12 more with Duran.

Norris was an underdog-no one gave him a chance and Ray was favored to win, he should have won easily but when he doesn't you guys yell foul-"Oh no fair, he was past his prime"

If he was past his prime what was he doing running around the ring with Duran? You didn't see Ali running around with Young, or Shavers, or Spinks, or Norton, or Holmes, or Berbick :lol:

Let alone for the duration of the entire fight!

How do you people come up with such simplistic deception?

Leonard KO8 Duran

[KO Boxing]

how do you arrive at leonard being inactive five years? He has no excuse for losing the way he did to Norris.

So you say ray was great, he came back with no tuneup out for 3 years and still beat Hagler. Why didn't ray get even better without the ring rust?

He had the Hagler fight, nine rounds with Lalonde, 12 with Tommy, 12 more with Duran.

Norris was an underdog-no one gave him a chance and Ray was favored to win, he should have won easily but when he doesn't you guys yell foul-"Oh no fair, he was past his prime"

If he was past his prime what was he doing running around the ring with Duran? You didn't see Ali running around with Young, or Shavers, or Spinks, or Norton, or Holmes, or Berbick :lol:

Let alone for the duration of the entire fight!

How do you people come up with such simplistic deception?
Okay, so Norris beat a young, prime, active Leonard? That's fair.

IMO, most would pick a prime Leonard over Norris. Or at the very least rank him higher on the almight mythical all time p4p list... Or am I wrong there? Cause if Norris stopped a prime, active Leoanrd, surely's he's better and higher p4p. No?

[Dantes]

Norris proved he wasn't very good. He'll never live it down.

Bernard sucks!

Coming from a poser sporting a Christina Aguilera Pic- you're a fucking homo.:good

[Icemmann]

Coming from a poser sporting a Christina Aguilera Pic- you're a fucking homo.:good:lol: :lol:

[dave82]

Coming from a poser sporting a Christina Aguilera Pic- you're a fucking homo.:good

:rofl

[redrooster]

Okay, so Norris beat a young, prime, active Leonard? That's fair.

IMO, most would pick a prime Leonard over Norris. Or at the very least rank him higher on the almight mythical all time p4p list... Or am I wrong there? Cause if Norris stopped a prime, active Leoanrd, surely's he's better and higher p4p. No?

Leonard was favored wasn't he? Same situation with Hagler when Leonard beat him which is what you keep pointing out to me.

:lol: You just can't take it when the shoe is on the other foot!

I'm sure you had no reservations or that most people had no reservations when it came down-pointing out experience. He still lost! :lol:

[redrooster]

Coming from a poser sporting a Christina Aguilera Pic- you're a fucking homo.:good

Sticks and stones from a man who can't defend his views. Let me guess, you're from the hood right? So you aren't worth a shit anyway.

You know she makes you hard every time you look at her.

Bernard still sucks!

[redrooster]

Picking someone's poor last fights proves nothing. You're an idiot.


Was Leonard Hagler's last fight? You have no reservations giving Leonard credit for the win and even brag about it.

[Icemmann]

Was Leonard Hagler's last fight? You have no reservations giving Leonard credit for the win and even brag about it.

Hagler won all his recent fights before then and was relatively active. Leonard wasn't.

[BewareofDawg]

Leonard beat Hagler, Hearns and Duran. It isn't possible to "overrate" a man that beat all 3 of those fighters. End of story. Stupid Thread.

[Bigcat]

Ray was and is still regarded by almost every credible boxing person (writer , fighter, trainer, promoter, pundit and fanatic) as one of the finest and most courageous fighter of all time, if you think otherwise you are just a very biased or ignorant uneducated fool. Ray Charles Leonard is a fabulous pioneer to the game and has a legacy that superceeds that of almost all fighters past or present along with your Ali's , Holmes's and Robinsons. He was greater than you are meking him out to be... He was only overrated in your tiny mind..

Go follow another sport loser.

[redrooster]

Hagler won all his recent fights before then and was relatively active. Leonard wasn't.

Leonard was relatively active compared with his activity before beating Hagler. It gets tough when you run out of excuses doesn't it?

[Vantage_West]

ray leonard was a good fighter amazing handspeed could sit down on his punches and hit hard he could box and move could fight on the inside well....but

he was hype he was a great fighter for sure but he was a lucky guy.

he wins the olympics in style and then in his first pro fight...2 tv crews and half of balrimore came to see him...he was the amir khan of his days.

he had also came in when ali was leaving the sport and as leonard copied many moifs and tricks he was a mini ali and people latched on to him becuase of it.

he also was a good looking guy big smile typical pretty boy looks.and it looks great on commercials when you have a fighter who is nice looking and has handspeed and is very trim it sells.

he was getting paid millions way before he was a welterwieght champion and this is what isnt right where as duran,hagler hearns all fought there way to the top ray didnt need to he was a celeb and was above boxing he could fight anybody in the division he didnt go up the rankings he just chose people to be his entertainment. that is not a fighter that is a politician.

it was just sugar ray leonard ,suger ray loenard ,suger ray leonard everywhere. form 7 up to ban on drugs he was in your face all the time.
even out of the ring on a retirement he was making press issues all the time.

got dubiuos wins over hagler hearns and duran which we are still wondering what happend.

i have nothing wrong with his skills and stuff but he only picked his opponents when they were exposed or not given advantges. duran was wieghing in at welter two divsions than he was in his prevouis bout, hearns was young and wasnt the force we saw later one circa light middle to super middle not just that ray ran for the high hills from hearns becuase of his power speed and hieght.and sat on his belt till hearns (who has only had 4 yeard pro experience) was shown he couldnt fight on the inside and could only use his jab to win...once the price/time was right boom hearns leonard was in the works,hagler was now the vastly older man and had shown alot of wear and tear his fight with john mugabi was a war but it shouldnt of been and the same with hearns. hagler was easier to hit than ever before. and in that hagler didnt look that half bad.....so when the cards are anounced and leonard says you won to hagler ray wins? and now becuase he is middlewieght king he has full privilages and just stayed far away from hagler as he could.

it's not his skill it's his way of legacy is slightly tilted and distorted.

[Vantage_West]

Leonard beat Hagler, Hearns and Duran. It isn't possible to "overrate" a man that beat all 3 of those fighters. End of story. Stupid Thread.
beat by duran in the rematch it was a close fight till duran said "fuk it"
getting beat by hearns and eaked a very cheasy decision in the rematch
and hagler - leonard a robbery
:goodgreat wins

[redrooster]

Ray was and is still regarded by almost every credible boxing person (writer , fighter, trainer, promoter, pundit and fanatic) as one of the finest and most courageous fighter of all time, if you think otherwise you are just a very biased or ignorant uneducated fool. Ray Charles Leonard is a fabulous pioneer to the game and has a legacy that superceeds that of almost all fighters past or present along with your Ali's , Holmes's and Robinsons. He was greater than you are meking him out to be... He was only overrated in your tiny mind..

Go follow another sport loser.

No, I think I'll stay here in the general section for a while. Hey speaking of losers can you tell me why leonard lost the way he did to Norris who was the big underdog? The fact that Ray is loved by almost every "credible" writer, trainer, promoter, pundit, and fanatic is no surprise to me. They all picked him to win so that tells me little.

With his experience and great know how, Ray should have found a way to win but in reality he lost not only by a little but a lot to a guy he was supposed to beat.

[Icemmann]

Leonard was relatively active compared with his activity before beating Hagler. It gets tough when you run out of excuses doesn't it?


Lightining doesn't strike twice, Leonard was at an age where it was still possible for him to overcome the long layoff and still be effective.

Against Norris he was vastly older, and with a fighter that utilises Leonards style and relies on his speed and reflexes it is desasterous.


Come on bud. You going to rate Hopkins Higher than Jones now, since he beat both the guys that managed to knock his dick in the dirt?


Your logic sucks.

[Vantage_West]

No, I think I'll stay here in the general section for a while. Hey speaking of losers can you tell me why leonard lost the way he did to Norris who was the big underdog? The fact that Ray is loved by almost every "credible" writer, trainer, promoter, pundit, and fanatic is no surprise to me. They all picked him to win so that tells me little.

With his experience and great know how, Ray should have found a way to win but in reality he lost not only by a little but a lot to a guy he was supposed to beat.:think well norris was a dman good fighter and a bad style for ray but i get your point he was the betting fav and should of won on cards when he is fighting possibly the best(or top 3) light middlewieght of all time.

[Vantage_West]

Lightining doesn't strike twice, Leonard was at an age where it was still possible for him to overcome the long layoff and still be effective.

Against Norris he was vastly older, and with a fighter that utilises Leonards style and relies on his speed and reflexes it is desasterous.


Come on bud. You going to rate Hopkins Higher than Jones now, since he beat both the guys that managed to knock his dick in the dirt?


Your logic sucks. well ray never was on a lay off he was always trim he would be doing road work after the comacho fight.

he was a guy opsesed on being in shape which helps alot same with delahoya

[redrooster]

:think well norris was a dman good fighter and a bad style for ray but i get your point he was the betting fav and should of won on cards when he is fighting possibly the best(or top 3) light middlewieght of all time.

hell yeah. I watched Terry in his fight with Jackson before he got blown out but I thought damn that boy is fast! He give anyone trouble.

Then one night about a year and half later I heard that Ray leonard signed to fight him and that's when I knew Ray was going to be in for some trouble thinking Ray shouldn't fight him. I actually thought ray should have retired after the Hagler fight.

I knew what was up with him when he came out in '86-we all remember his publicity stunt trying to get Marvin in the ring and that after that fight, Ray wouldn't take the option to make a defense.

But he just kept on fighting which makes what you said earlier legit-that he was picking his opponents at the right time waiting for them to soften like a vulture waiting for its prey to die lest it give scratch out an eye while it's doing its pecking.

I have to give him credit for taking the Norris fight tho-kind of like giving an F student points for showing up to class. It was a nice change from his previous act.

Good points West. :good

[El Bombasto]

he was?

[Illmatic]

obviously this is the first time you've met redrooster. Ill make an sat analogy for you all

Carlito is to Floyd Mayweather as...
Redrooster is to Ray Leonard

[Bigcat]

ok case closed, he is just biased , i can't hate a biased guy..

The fact he rated Ray on the Norris fight tells me that already.. poor bastard has to live with having a swayed mind..

[redrooster]

^ It's always easier to agree on something that's to our liking than to acknowledge a painful truth. (see post#31)

[redrooster]

ok case closed, he is just biased , i can't hate a biased guy..

The fact he rated Ray on the Norris fight tells me that already.. poor bastard has to live with having a swayed mind..

You want the truth? You can't handle the truth bitch! :lol:

[Bill Butcher]

red rooster says
why was ray leonard so overrated ?


Bill Butcher says
hagler, hearns, duran & benitez, you silly boy.

[Thread Stealer]

i have nothing wrong with his skills and stuff but he only picked his opponents when they were exposed or not given advantges. duran was wieghing in at welter two divsions than he was in his prevouis bout, hearns was young and wasnt the force we saw later one circa light middle to super middle not just that ray ran for the high hills from hearns becuase of his power speed and hieght.and sat on his belt till hearns (who has only had 4 yeard pro experience) was shown he couldnt fight on the inside and could only use his jab to win...once the price/time was right boom hearns leonard was in the works,hagler was now the vastly older man and had shown alot of wear and tear his fight with john mugabi was a war but it shouldnt of been and the same with hearns. hagler was easier to hit than ever before. and in that hagler didnt look that half bad.....so when the cards are anounced and leonard says you won to hagler ray wins? and now becuase he is middlewieght king he has full privilages and just stayed far away from hagler as he could.

it's not his skill it's his way of legacy is slightly tilted and distorted.

Where do you get this crap information from? This is the same nonsense you were spewing in the Classic Forum. I'd used to this with Rooster because I find his Ray-bashing slightly entertaining, but this is crap.

Duran had been fighting @ welterweight for two and a half years before he fought Leonard, and even dominated a world class welterweight (and future HOFer) in Carlos Palomino a year earlier.

Hearns was never as consistent at stopping guys than he was as a welterweight. Sure quality of opposition also played a factor, but Hearns's power above 147 for awhile was a question mark. It was after a decision win over Minchillo when Tommy said to Manny in the locker room "it's back" while looking at his right hand, referring to the power and stability of his often injured hand. Then came the Duran massacre when it was clear Tommy still had murderous power above 147.

Furthermore, how do you sit on a belt and run for the high hills when it took a grand total of one year for the unification bout to materialize?

Hearns beat Pipino in August 1980. Leonard's two bouts with Duran were in June and November 1980. Unless you count that neverending time period of TEN MONTHS post-No Mas until SRL-Hearns 1.

[bigtime9]

SRL was more entertaining to watch than RJJ and PBF combined together. I cant recall what round it was but during the SRL vs Hearns fight, at one point SRL just stood in front of Hearns and launched a all-out assault against Hearns, punches were coming from everywhere and all connected. A thing of beauty. IMHO SRL was superb, in a league of his own.



now your exaggerating:lol:

[Thread Stealer]

obviously this is the first time you've met redrooster. Ill make an sat analogy for you all

Carlito is to Floyd Mayweather as...
Redrooster is to Ray Leonard

Rooster's got knowledge, it's just that he uses it to distort everything into something anti-Leonard.

[dave82]

You want the truth? You can't handle the truth bitch! :lol:

Are you that insecure about your opinion that you need convince us all?

Think Ray is overrated? Each to their own I suppose.

He won a gold medal, defeated some ATG's and he has won titles at 5 different weight divisions. That is enough for me to consider Sugar Ray Leonard as one of the greatest fighters of our time. :hi:

[redrooster]

Are you that insecure about your opinion that you need convince us all?

Think Ray is overrated? Each to their own I suppose.

He won a gold medal, defeated some ATG's and he has won titles at 5 different weight divisions. That is enough for me to consider Sugar Ray Leonard as one of the greatest fighters of our time. :hi:

It has to do with acceptance and Ray isn't accepted because he wasn't good enough, wasn't dominant the way Roy Jones was. Every judgement I make is based upon logic, not emotion.

Who hasn't won a gold medal.

Henry Tillman won a medal.

Leon Spinks won a medal.

Even Breland won a medal but wasn't shit as a pro.

Mark had too many frailties and was an accident waiting to happen which is what happend in the Aaron Davis fight when they carted him off in the ambulance.

The best fighter to ever come out of the olympics in my opinion was Roy Jones. He didn't make an impression on me in the amateurs but defied description even early as a pro.

I don't buy into leonard winning 5 titles that's garbage winning two titles in one day. Why try to hide it? We all know it was a farce that only put him
under more scrutiny and criticism.

You can't possibly think anyone is simpleminded enough to think he won five titles so why even bring it up?

No defenses of his titles except at 147 losing it early. I know Duran was tough but Ray was bigger than him and younger. His win over Hagler could easily have gone against him-I think Hagler edged him. I really don't care what the judges said so even the third title is in question.

I just don't think Ray has enough of a career or accomplishments to boast of. So I can justifiably say that he was a pretty good fighter.

[dave82]

It has to do with acceptance and Ray isn't accepted because he wasn't good enough, wasn't dominant the way Roy Jones was. Every judgement I make is based upon logic, not emotion.

Who hasn't won a gold medal.

Henry Tillman won a medal.

Leon Spinks won a medal.

Even Breland won a medal but wasn't shit as a pro.

Mark had too many frailties and was an accident waiting to happen which is what happend in the Aaron Davis fight when they carted him off in the ambulance.

The best fighter to ever come out of the olympics in my opinion was Roy Jones. He didn't make an impression on me in the amateurs but defied description even early as a pro.

I don't buy into leonard winning 5 titles that's garbage winning two titles in one day. Why try to hide it? We all know it was a farce that only put him
under more scrutiny and criticism.

You can't possibly think anyone is simpleminded enough to think he won five titles so why even bring it up?

No defenses of his titles except at 147 losing it early. I know Duran was tough but Ray was bigger than him and younger. His win over Hagler could easily have gone against him-I think Hagler edged him. I really don't care what the judges said so even the third title is in question.

I just don't think Ray has enough of a career or accomplishments to boast of. So I can justifiably say that he was a pretty good fighter.

Ok dude, you win. You think Ray is overrated I dont. End of discussion

[psychopath]

It has to do with acceptance and Ray isn't accepted because he wasn't good enough, wasn't dominant the way Roy Jones was. Every judgement I make is based upon logic, not emotion

Yeah logic . . . logic my ass. :yep

Ray isn't accepted? By who? :think

Check the International Boxing Hall of Fame website before you open your big mouth moron. :hey

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[redrooster]

Ok dude, you win. You think Ray is overrated I dont. End of discussion

The end for you-not me. This is my thread remember?

[redrooster]

You're a psychopath you ought to know about logic.

Hey did you know any tom dick and harry can get into the hall of fame nowadays? So I don't see how that helps your arguement any. Tough luck-try again next time.

[redrooster]

:lol: You see the way Dave82 took off. Thought that shit with 5 titles was the key to immortality then took off in embarassment.

It's too easy today. :lol:

[dave82]

:lol: You see the way Dave82 took off. Thought that shit with 5 titles was the key to immortality then took off in embarassment.

It's too easy today. :lol:

Hands down dude...you are the man. I have no game.

[kg0208]

It has to do with acceptance and Ray isn't accepted because he wasn't good enough, wasn't dominant the way Roy Jones was. Every judgement I make is based upon logic, not emotion.

Who hasn't won a gold medal.

Henry Tillman won a medal.

Leon Spinks won a medal.

Even Breland won a medal but wasn't shit as a pro.

Mark had too many frailties and was an accident waiting to happen which is what happend in the Aaron Davis fight when they carted him off in the ambulance.

The best fighter to ever come out of the olympics in my opinion was Roy Jones. He didn't make an impression on me in the amateurs but defied description even early as a pro.

I don't buy into leonard winning 5 titles that's garbage winning two titles in one day. Why try to hide it? We all know it was a farce that only put him
under more scrutiny and criticism.

You can't possibly think anyone is simpleminded enough to think he won five titles so why even bring it up?

No defenses of his titles except at 147 losing it early. I know Duran was tough but Ray was bigger than him and younger. His win over Hagler could easily have gone against him-I think Hagler edged him. I really don't care what the judges said so even the third title is in question.

I just don't think Ray has enough of a career or accomplishments to boast of. So I can justifiably say that he was a pretty good fighter.

In other words, lets ignore what actually happened, accept your theories and conjecture (You don't accept what the judges say?) and leave it at that?

Sorry....he beat Hearns, Duran, and Hagler. ATG, not overrated end of story. Adding in all this stuff you THINK but don't KNOW isn't going to change anyone's mind. Go somewhere else to get your opinion validated.

[Orishaman]

Who ever think or have the slightlies remote idea that SRL was overated....well obviously you are either less than 15 years old or you were doing some serious drugs thru the 80's...without a doubt, SRL is on everyone's Top 10 boxers of all time...end of story.....he fought the best...beat the best...sure he was hyped by the media, but you know what...he backed it up every single time.....just look at this resume....

Obviously you just want some attention , which is obvious....but also it shows your minimal knowledge of boxing and boxing history...You didn;t like ...that is fine...but his accomplishmnet are there for all of us to see...

[Peter S. A.]

Another ridiculous post.

[kg0208]

You forgot Benitez, maybe the best of the bunch at the time he beat him

You are right :deal

[Orishaman]

Benitez didn't have long to prepare for SRL...not that it would ahve made a difference that night, SRL speed gave Benitez problem, I would have like to see a rematch thou...this was probably along with Gomez v SS II the fights I really wanted to see happened that never happened

[Thread Stealer]

Benitez didn't have long to prepare for SRL...not that it would ahve made a difference that night, SRL speed gave Benitez problem, I would have like to see a rematch thou...this was probably along with Gomez v SS II the fights I really wanted to see happened that never happened

Yeah, but when did Benitez ever prepare that long, or hard?

A tough training camp for Benitez meant only screwing 5 women during the camp and doing a mile of roadwork rather than half a mile.

[Orishaman]

Yeah, but when did Benitez ever prepare that long, or hard?

A tough training camp for Benitez meant only screwing 5 women during the camp and doing a mile of roadwork rather than half a mile.

As I said on my post...not that it matter......that was Benitez aquiles ...his proneness to not prepare for his fight...just make you wonder..what if he did!!!!:patsch

[bigtime9]

As I said on my post...not that it matter......that was Benitez aquiles ...his proneness to not prepare for his fight...just make you wonder..what if he did!!!!

yeah yeah and oranges grow on apple trees..get with reality:rofl

[psychopath]

You're a psychopath you ought to know about logic.

Hey did you know any tom dick and harry can get into the hall of fame nowadays? So I don't see how that helps your arguement any. Tough luck-try again next time.

Any Tom Dick and Harry? :lol: Acccording to who? You? :rofl

An illogical fool like you talking about logic? :think :bart

Nah nah nah :nono . . . you try a little harder. :D

[redrooster]

^ you're the psychopath, not me. You even said so yourself.

Yeah, getting into the boxing hall of fame is as easy as getting on the Hollywood walk of fame. Anyone can do it nowadays that's why there's so many names no one recognizes. It's the same way in the IbHof. it's frighteningly easy to get in-all you have to do is be a likable character.

And if you tell them you won five titles, they'll believe it.

[redrooster]

Hands down dude...you are the man. I have no game.

That's for sure!

[redrooster]

Who ever think or have the slightlies remote idea that SRL was overated....well obviously you are either less than 15 years old or you were doing some serious drugs thru the 80's...without a doubt, SRL is on everyone's Top 10 boxers of all time...end of story.....he fought the best...beat the best...sure he was hyped by the media, but you know what...he backed it up every single time.....just look at this resume....

Obviously you just want some attention , which is obvious....but also it shows your minimal knowledge of boxing and boxing history...You didn;t like ...that is fine...but his accomplishmnet are there for all of us to see...

I know more than you think. You're the one briging up Benitez poor training habits-as tho Ray needed help beating that human sheep.

Wilfred is the one guy Leonard didn't need help beating in the ring-no concessions necessary.

Wilfred reminded me more of George Mcfly than Willie Pep. He was just there to take the title from, an interim champ, a cheese champ-take your pick of whatever label you want. But the fact remains, once Leonard entered the ring, Wilfred took a back seat, to him, folded lillies across his chest and caved in like a cheap deck of cards.

[Illmatic]

I know more than you think. You're the one briging up Benitez poor training habits-as tho Ray needed help beating that human sheep.

Wilfred is the one guy Leonard didn't need help beating in the ring-no concessions necessary.

Wilfred reminded me more of George Mcfly than Willie Pep. He was just there to take the title from, an interim champ, a cheese champ-take your pick of whatever label you want. But the fact remains, once Leonard entered the ring, Wilfred took a back seat, to him, folded lillies across his chest and caved in like a cheap deck of cards.

Benitez was an undefeated, linear champ in two divisions when Leonard beat him....not a fucking Juan Urango/Gavin Rees/Carlos Maussa...

[Dantes]

:lol: You see the way Dave82 took off. Thought that shit with 5 titles was the key to immortality then took off in embarassment.

It's too easy today. :lol:

Good one. You're still the queer with an skank for an avatar. Good for you retard, you hate Leonard. Just keep tapping away at the keyboard and unload all your hate. it won't make any difference that again...Leonard has a legacy, and you got shit.:good

[psychopath]

^ you're the psychopath, not me. You even said so yourself.

Yeah, getting into the boxing hall of fame is as easy as getting on the Hollywood walk of fame. Anyone can do it nowadays that's why there's so many names no one recognizes. It's the same way in the IbHof. it's frighteningly easy to get in-all you have to do is be a likable character.

And if you tell them you won five titles, they'll believe it.

Of course . . . of course . . . but me being a psychopath doesn't mean I'm a moron like you. Do you even know the difference?:D

You're down to earth moron dude. Stupid! :-(

You're questioning the credibilty of the HALL of FAME then you're questioning the credentials of ALL the fighters in that list . . . what kind of credibilty to you have to do that? :roll: . . . just to pull down SRL? [Only registered and activated users can see links]

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^^ not necessarily so but that's something I wouldn't expect the average psychopath to understand. You got your Ray Robinsons and then you got the people who slipped thru the cracks like Leonard. It's kind of like lowering admission standards for minorities so they could get into our Universities.

[redrooster]

Good one. You're still the queer with an skank for an avatar. Good for you retard, you hate Leonard. Just keep tapping away at the keyboard and unload all your hate. it won't make any difference that again...Leonard has a legacy, and you got shit.:good


A wise man once said,

"When you mention Sugar Ray, fans think Robinson".

"When you mention Leonard, fans think Benny".

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Benitez was an undefeated, linear champ in two divisions when Leonard beat him....not a fucking Juan Urango/Gavin Rees/Carlos Maussa...

Who are you trying to kid? I watched Curry kick that ass. I'm sure you watched it too.

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At least he never quit like Duran or Chavez

I can relate :good