Which Fighters Became Great Champs despite having several losses early on?

[ricardinho]

Freddy Pendleton comes to mind.....and who else?

[SteveO]

Henry Armstrong lost his 1st, 3rd, and 4th fights.

[My2Sense]

Henry Armstrong lost his 1st, 3rd, and 4th fights.

First one that came to my mind.


Also (if we're only talking about great champs):

Kid Gavilan
Joe Brown
Dick Tiger
Manny Ortiz
Billy Conn
Tommy Loughran
Mickey Walker

...just to name a few.

[Beeston Brawler]

Freddie Pendleton wasn't a great champion though, was he?

[rrk]

Alexis Arguello & Alfredo Escalera

[good right hand]

maybe pepino cuevas and chu chu castillo who have arguments of being great.

[EireFightFan]

JMM loses to Norwood, John and Pacquiao haven't stopped him becoming the #1 P4P in my book.

Glen Johnson also warrants a mention.

[teeto]

Armstrong always the first that comes to mind here, Archie Moore anyone? Eusebio Pedroza?

[Bill Butcher]

Im sure Armstrong & Arguello were 2.

B-Hop also lost his 1st pro bout.

[bxrfan]

I can't believe that no one has mentioned Fritzie Zivic yet; I mean, by the end of his career, he had 65 losses! Still, he fought and beat a lot of the great lightweights, welterweights, and even middleweights of the time, taking the title from Henry Armstrong.

Deserves a mention, however dirty he was.

[DINAMITA]

Manny Pacquiao, Wilfredo Vasquez, Gerald McClennan

[teeto]

I can't believe that no one has mentioned Fritzie Zivic yet; I mean, by the end of his career, he had 65 losses! Still, he fought and beat a lot of the great lightweights, welterweights, and even middleweights of the time, taking the title from Henry Armstrong.

Deserves a mention, however dirty he was.
Yeah Zivic is a great choice, he held his own with (winning and losing) some of the best guys of that era, who actually are some of the finest ever.

[GPater11093]

that all time exciting great Johnny Nelson

didnt know Gavilan lost his debut intresting

Arguello and Armstrong are the definitive picks

[My2Sense]

didnt know Gavilan lost his debut intresting


He didn't.

[Flea Man]

Wasn't Cuevas undefeated when he fought Hearns???????? I MUST be wrong........or am I? Can't be fucked to look on boxrec

As mentioned by Pater, the legendary Johnny Nelson! I think he was 0-6 at one point :rofl

[GPater11093]

He didn't.

just afew early fights?

Wasn't Cuevas undefeated when he fought Hearns???????? I MUST be wrong........or am I? Can't be fucked to look on boxrec

As mentioned by Pater, the legendary Johnny Nelson! I think he was 0-6 at one point :rofl

yeh Johnny Nelson that famous Sheffield Ticket seller

[Flea Man]

Greg you'll know, was Cuevas undefeated when he fought Hearns???

[djanders]

I think Jack Johnson's first 13 were 4 wins, 3 losses, 4 draws, and 2 no-decisions.

[PhillyPhan69]

Danny Lopez

[AlFrancis]

Wasn't Cuevas undefeated when he fought Hearns???????? I MUST be wrong........or am I? Can't be fucked to look on boxrec

As mentioned by Pater, the legendary Johnny Nelson! I think he was 0-6 at one point :rofl


He'd lost 6 before he won the title but he did turn pro young. He was a month short of his 14th birthday.
One of those losses was to Andy Hawk Price who also had a win over Carlos Palomino.
McVey might of even been at Price's war against Dave Boy Green.

[GPater11093]

Cuevas was not undefeated he had a heap of losses. I had to think twice there you freaked me out i got worried thinking Cuevas was undefeated.

also i just flicked through his record on boxrec he might have had alot of losses but he had decent anmes on his CV

just saw your post now

[teeto]

Cuevas was not undefeated he had a heap of losses. I had to think twice there you freaked me out i got worried thinking Cuevas was undefeated.

also i just flicked through his record on boxrec he might have had alot of losses but he had decent anmes on his CV

just saw your post now

Wow, how did he get them on his CV? Must have been some unique fighter, i will look him up:good:rofl

[GPater11093]

Wow, how did he get them on his CV? Must have been some unique fighter, i will look him up:good:rofl

he got them because i cocked up my spelling thats why.

by the way you did no all the mistakes you picked me up on for are mild signs of Dsylexia thanks for making me aware of them

[teeto]

he got them because i cocked up my spelling thats why.

by the way you did no all the mistakes you picked me up on for are mild signs of Dsylexia thanks for making me aware of them

Shit you know i never meant it maliciously, and no i never knew that, how could i have? I was just keeping up my part in the back and forth game we've been playing at lately.

I wasn't to know, sorry if i hurt any feelings, last thing i would want to happen.

[GPater11093]

Shit you know i never meant it maliciously, and no i never knew that, how could i have? I was just keeping up my part in the back and forth game we've been playing at lately.

I wasn't to know, sorry if i hurt any feelings, last thing i would want to happen.

im not dyslexic im just saying the stuff you have pointed out are common signs of dyslexia just very very mild not affecting nothingreally.

just thought it was weird as i have never noticed it before and it happens when i write with a pen aswell.

dont woory the game is still on

[teeto]

im not dyslexic im just saying the stuff you have pointed out are common signs of dyslexia just very very mild not affecting nothingreally.

just thought it was weird as i have never noticed it before and it happens when i write with a pen aswell.

dont woory the game is still on
Man really that's not good doing that to me, i thought i'd insulted you cos you're dyslexic, i'm not playing no more!

Anyway i really gotta go out now, later

[GPater11093]

Man really that's not good doing that to me, i thought i'd insulted you cos you're dyslexic, i'm not playing no more!

Anyway i really gotta go out now, later

see ya

just saying those was signs of it. Im not fussed as it aint bad and its all in good spirit

[My2Sense]

just afew early fights?


He lost a number of fights in the time between coming to America and eventually winning the title, most of them on disputed and/or split decisions.

[hhascup]

World Champions who lost there professional debut: Alexis Arguello, Bruno Arcari, Henry Armstrong, Rodolfo Blanco, Jack Britton, Joe Brown, Victor Callejas, Miguel Canto, Freddie Castillo, Jesus Castillo, Frank Cedeno, Chang-Ho Choi, Billy Conn, Roberto Cruz, Carlos Teo Cruz, Pipino Cuevas, Jose Dundee, Harry Forbes, Nestor Giovanni, S T Gordon, Bernard Hopkins, Daniel Jiminez, Sung Jun Kim, Tae-Shik Kim, Tippy Larkin, Alfredo Layne, Benny Leonard, Benny Lynch, Tacy Macalos, Eddie Martin, Manny Melchor, Manuel Ortiz, Freddie Pendleton, Eddie Perkins, Bonecrusher Smith, Seung-Il Suk, Wilfredo Vasquez, Mike Weaver & Prince Charles Williams.

[Jersey Joe]

Monzon lost 3 and drew 3 of his early fights, then went undefeated for the rest of his career.

[Flea Man]

But Cuevas had never been stopped?

[My2Sense]

But Cuevas had never been stopped?

No, he'd been stopped in his pro debut.

C'mon man, bite the bullet and go visit boxrec already! :lol:

[good right hand]

dont forget chalky!

[GPater11093]

He lost a number of fights in the time between coming to America and eventually winning the title, most of them on disputed and/or split decisions.

thanks for that

World Champions who lost there professional debut: Alexis Arguello, Bruno Arcari, Henry Armstrong, Rodolfo Blanco, Jack Britton, Joe Brown, Victor Callejas, Miguel Canto, Freddie Castillo, Jesus Castillo, Frank Cedeno, Chang-Ho Choi, Billy Conn, Roberto Cruz, Carlos Teo Cruz, Pipino Cuevas, Jose Dundee, Harry Forbes, Nestor Giovanni, S T Gordon, Bernard Hopkins, Daniel Jiminez, Sung Jun Kim, Tae-Shik Kim, Tippy Larkin, Alfredo Layne, Benny Leonard, Benny Lynch, Tacy Macalos, Eddie Martin, Manny Melchor, Manuel Ortiz, Freddie Pendleton, Eddie Perkins, Bonecrusher Smith, Seung-Il Suk, Wilfredo Vasquez, Mike Weaver & Prince Charles Williams.

i posted a list like this in a different thread afew months back but this has alot more

No, he'd been stopped in his pro debut.

C'mon man, bite the bullet and go visit boxrec already! :lol:

hes adament hell find something

[MrMarvel]

Amstrong lost quite a few of his early fights.

[good right hand]

i dont now if he was great but how about victor rabanales. started with a 5-4 and one draw but went on to beat ceaser soto, pepillo valdez and a young rafael maquez.