Is Andriy Kotelnik a Hard Puncher - Lets examine the resume

[mughalmirza786]

At first glance for those of you who judge a fighter based on boxrec resumes Kotelnik may see like the kind of fighter who posseses a fairly average punch at the weight hes fighting at. By no means is his KO percentage impressive, but is that in itself deceptive as to his punching ability? Although Kotelnik does not have that many stoppage wins on his record at least not more that 50% it is my belief the opposition he has been fighting is the reason for that. Lets break down some of his most recent opposition:


Marcos Rene Maidana won 25 (KO 24) + lost 1 (KO 0). This fighter hasnt been stopped yet and by all accounts is a serious puncher. His next fight is against Victor Ortiz, the powerful american prospect maybe he can change that record. Kotelnik beats him by SD.
Norio Kimura won 35 (KO 19) + lost 7 (KO 0). Again this fighter has never been stopped. Kotelnik beats him by a UD.
Gavin Rees won 27 (KO 13) + lost 1 (KO 1). A decent fighter who was a little overmatched physically at this weight. Kotelnik wins by stoppage (his only loss).
Laszlo Komjathi won 35 (KO 13) + lost 25 (KO 8. His record suggests that he has been stopped numerous times and he has, but take a closer look at the KO losses. Three of those losses came at the hands of opponent who were bigger than him (two came at 150lbs). One against Lee meager which was on cuts. M'Baye got a referee stoppage. Giuseppe Lauri is the only guy to stop him in his tracks at his own weight. Both Amir and Kotelnik hold UD wins over him.
Souleymane M'baye won 37 (KO 21) + lost 3 (KO 0). Never been stopped. Kotelnik gets a Draw.
Richard Reina won 12 (KO 11) + lost 4 (KO 1). Only been stopped once but that was a legitimate knockout at his own weight. Kotelnik wins UD.
Mohamad Abdulaev won 15 (KO 12) + lost 3 (KO 2). Last fighter to stop him was Miguel Cotto and it took him 9 rounds of breaking him down. Kotelnik wins UD.
In conclusion Kotelnik is not a puncher but is also not a push over low KO ratio type that some on the forums have been suggesting. His oppostion has been the main reason for not scoring many KO's. Three of the above fighters have never been stopped and all the others were very durable but not world class durable. My prediction is therefore that Khan wins a UD if he can avoid getting countered by Kotelnik. I feel that kotelnik has a very good chance of stopping khan if he lands on him and khan is unable to either clinch or create space in the ring. The big question though is not how much Amir Khans punch resistance has increased by moving up to 140lbs but whether Freddie Roach has improved his defence enough so that he is barely touched in a fight (at least against someone of Kotelniks caliber).

Khan by UD, but strong possibility of Kotelnik by TKO or KO. In other words Khan is a genuine underdog in this fight.

[brown bomber]

Wtf? Khan ko1

[widdy]

if khan beats him,and beats him well,not with a axe wound in koteniks head,then he will have my upmost respect,don't see it happening though

[REEVO]

I think this is a tough fight for Khan but i think this weight may suit Khan as he was seriously weight drained in his last fight, i cant wait for this fight it may answer alot of questions, The jr welterweight division has some seriously good fights for Khan if he can handle Kotelnik.

[widdy]

I think this is a tough fight for Khan but i think this weight may suit Khan as he was seriously weight drained in his last fight, i cant wait for this fight it may answer alot of questions, The jr welterweight division has some seriously good fights for Khan if he can handle Kotelnik.

just curious,which fight was he weight drained,ive never seen it:huh

[Darni187]

It all comes down to how much, if any improvement is made to Khan's chin at 140, also how much Khan's defence has improved. Kotelnik has enough dig in his punches to trouble Khan.

This fight should answer a few questions about Khan and the Dr.Roach's effect on him.

I still think the improvement which we will see in Khan under Dr.Roach will see him though this fight.

[REEVO]

just curious,which fight was he weight drained,ive never seen it:huh
Prescot fight he stated after he was weight drained at lightweight. From the guardian news paper....
"Since that fight so much has changed. I put my hand up, I thought it was going to be a walk in the park, but what happened made me realise that this is a professional sport. It happened at the right time for me. I think I maybe drained myself making the weight for the fight. There was a few things we weren't happy with in the camp. Now I'm much more focused. I've gone from a boy to a man." :deal

[REEVO]

Prescot fight he stated after he was weight drained at lightweight. From the guardian news paper....
"Since that fight so much has changed. I put my hand up, I thought it was going to be a walk in the park, but what happened made me realise that this is a professional sport. It happened at the right time for me. I think I maybe drained myself making the weight for the fight. There was a few things we weren't happy with in the camp. Now I'm much more focused. I've gone from a boy to a man." :deal
Maybe explains why he has gone up a weight...

[Beeston Brawler]

I think he did look drained for the Prescott fight, but looked better for the Fagan and Barrera fights.

[TFFP]

If he gets hit right he'll go down. For him, its all about the new tactical discipline and movement he has been learning with Freddie Roach. Relying on a magical chin boost because of 5lbs, from the one that was put down hard by light punching Limond, to one that is capable of taking Kotelnik's punches is optimistic in the extreme.

Khan will have to get hit very rarely to be successful in the fight.

[REEVO]

I think he did look drained for the Prescott fight, but looked better for the Fagan and Barrera fights.
He is quite big for lightweight and it was only a matter of time before he was gonnar step up a weight , he may suit this weight better even thoe there are some real bangers in this division..

[Beeston Brawler]

Junior Witter did an interview in Boxing Monthly asked about Kotelnik regarding Khan..... I can't remember too much of it tbh, other than that he expects Khan to be stopped at some stage.

I will post it when I get home

[kosaros]

I think we all know that Kotelnik has enough power to trouble Khan.

[Darni187]

140 is Khan's natural weight, ****** messed right up trying to add muscle with all that weight lifting bull shit he was getting Khan to do. Khan by adding that muscle was still working inside that 135 limit add to that Khan is a big frame 5’10 guy. Because Khan being a gym freak he still made the 135 limit with very low body fat and being top half heavy with stick skinny legs.

[TFFP]

That doesn't change the fact that when he was stick thin in the amateurs he was decked by an average puncher in a shocking way. Not just down...but the way he was down was alarming. Before he even started the weight lifting in the pros his chin looked suspect.

Don't expect 5lbs to cure the worlds problems. You'll be in for a horrible awakening. Just hope he moves as good as he claims in the fight.

[kosaros]

140 is Khan's natural weight, ****** messed right up trying to add muscle with all that weight lifting bull shit he was getting Khan to do. Khan by adding that muscle was still working inside that 135 limit add to that Khan is a big frame 5’10 guy. Because Khan being a gym freak he still made the 135 limit with very low body fat and being top half heavy with stick skinny legs.

You cannot blame ****** for how Khan trained, that is down to the trainer (which was Rubio at the time) and not the promoter.

[Darni187]

You cannot blame ****** for how Khan trained, that is down to the trainer (which was Rubio at the time) and not the promoter.

No they got Khan this strength conditoning ex army guy who getting Khan to do lots of weight lifting bull shit.

[REEVO]

140 is Khan's natural weight, ****** messed right up trying to add muscle with all that weight lifting bull shit he was getting Khan to do. Khan by adding that muscle was still working inside that 135 limit add to that Khan is a big frame 5’10 guy. Because Khan being a gym freak he still made the 135 limit with very low body fat and being top half heavy with stick skinny legs.
I remember reading a article were they were just concentrating building the legs up as this would add to power, theres no point having a huge frame with nothing to hold it...

[Darni187]

That doesn't change the fact that when he was stick thin in the amateurs he was decked by an average puncher in a shocking way. Not just down...but the way he was down was alarming. Before he even started the weight lifting in the pros his chin looked suspect.

Don't expect 5lbs to cure the worlds problems. You'll be in for a horrible awakening. Just hope he moves as good as he claims in the fight.

I am not saying Khan before weight lifting had a good chin, but these factors could of been adding to the problem.

It would be safe to say Dr.Roach will not be relying on the extra weight to help his chin, but planning to use Khan's improved defence and footwork in the fight to win.

[REEVO]

No they got Khan this strength conditoning ex army guy who getting Khan to do lots of weight lifting bull shit.
This is true...... the power lies in technique and timeing not in a weight.

[chesh]

Kotelnik by KO between 8 and 10.

[SouthpawSlayer]

i see khan winning kotelnik just too slow

[Darni187]

Kotelnik by KO between 8 and 10.

Thanks for your great input and views :good

[Darni187]

This is true...... the power lies in technique and timeing not in a weight.

Yep that's why Dr.Roach's team have reshaped Khan's body and slimed him down to increase his speed and movement, and hoping his timing of punches improves over time like Manny.

[chesh]

Thanks for your great input and views :good

I didn't think it needed further clarification, but here goes:

Khan's chin won't get better. It's bad, very bad. His defence and movement, though, are undoubtedly improving under Roach, but I feel he has a stamina problem. Khan will keep out of harm's way in the first half of the fight, but use up a lot of nervous energy in the process (as in the MAB fight - he looked knackered when it was stopped). Kotelnik's not a banger, but is a world-class fighter and has enough power and savvy to take out a tiring, slowing Khan in the later stages of the fight.:good

[brown bomber]

I don't think Kotelnik is the monster he's been made out to be. He's a good, upright European class fighter. rewind 10 years and he wouldn't even have a spot in the top ten. He is a fortunate title holder with one or two moderately impressive international victiories.

Kotelnik Vs Romanov- who wins? That pretty much answers what level Kotelnik is operating at. All he is, is a resonably heavy handed basic fighter. Khan should win this all day.

[MattMattMatt]

but what happened made me realise that this is a professional sport.

Well done Amir, you had to get KOed to realise that professional boxing is a professional sport. Top marks.

[nufc16]

I think kotelnik has greater power than his record suggests. his style isnt one of going out looking to knock a guy out from round one, plus he starts slow generally. if khan fights in a similar style to the barrera fight then he should win, but it depends if he can keep that up for the full 12, something which i have doubts about, and i reckon he'll need to get a KO before the late rounds or end up getting caught and stopped late on.

[Darni187]

I didn't think it needed further clarification, but here goes:

Khan's chin won't get better. It's bad, very bad. His defence and movement, though, are undoubtedly improving under Roach, but I feel he has a stamina problem. Khan will keep out of harm's way in the first half of the fight, but use up a lot of nervous energy in the process (as in the MAB fight - he looked knackered when it was stopped). Kotelnik's not a banger, but is a world-class fighter and has enough power and savvy to take out a tiring, slowing Khan in the later stages of the fight.:good

Would a 22 year guy be a bit nervous stepping in with a ATG after just 2 fights ago he got KTFO in under a 1 min by a unknown fighter? maybe

That was a bad clash of heads, I remember seeing Khan's face after a few days after the fight it swelled up pretty bad around his eye, God knows how much pain he was in, look at MAB's cut must of been a hard clash but still he did not show any pain.

You are right about nervous energy, Dr.Roach has been trying to get Khan to relax more in the ring, but i guess he will naturally with time become more relaxed with his age and more fights.

Maybe at 140 more his natural weight he will feel better on fight nights.

I dont think there is anything wrong with his stamina Khan has done 12 rounds before without any problems.

[kosaros]

Would a 22 year guy be a bit nervous stepping in with a ATG after just 2 fights ago he got KTFO in under a 1 min by a unknown fighter? maybe

That was a bad clash of heads, I remember seeing Khan's face after a few days after the fight it swelled up pretty bad around his eye, God knows how much pain he was in, look at MAB's cut must of been a hard clash but still he did not show any pain.

You are right about nervous energy, Dr.Roach has been trying to get Khan to relax more in the ring, but i guess he will naturally with time become more relaxed with his age and more fights.

Maybe at 140 more his natural weight he will feel better on fight nights.

I dont think there is anything wrong with his stamina Khan has done 12 rounds before without any problems.

Not much was really come back in that fight though, although I don't think Khan does have a stamina problem, but is inevitable that he will indeed become slower in the latter rounds.

[cjgloves]

Khan should win this one all day.

[Darni187]

Not much was really come back in that fight though, although I don't think Khan does have a stamina problem, but is inevitable that he will indeed become slower in the latter rounds.

Yes he will slow a bit, but I feel he will still be too fast for Kotelnik. I think he will feel better in the ring at 140.

[mughalmirza786]

Khan should win this one all day.

Like i said he should win a UD but can he keep avoiding kotelnik for a full twelve. Personally i think khans chin will not improve moving up to 140, im counting on his defence improving massively, being faster than ever and not taking so many risks in a fight when he can comfortably win a decision.

[mughalmirza786]

I think we all know that Kotelnik has enough power to trouble Khan.

Kotelnik has enough power full stop, look at the way he fights, he fights for the decision rather than the KO most of the time, not to mention some of the guys hes fought have never been stopped. The GF seems to think Kotelnik is some feather fisted weak champ, i hope khan and his team are not thinking that. Fact is nobody has dominated this guy yet which means hes quite durable at the world level.

[widdy]

Prescot fight he stated after he was weight drained at lightweight. From the guardian news paper....
"Since that fight so much has changed. I put my hand up, I thought it was going to be a walk in the park, but what happened made me realise that this is a professional sport. It happened at the right time for me. I think I maybe drained myself making the weight for the fight. There was a few things we weren't happy with in the camp. Now I'm much more focused. I've gone from a boy to a man." :deal

you are taking the piss aint you,the fucking guardian,jeez do people who enjoy boxing read that leftwing tosh.
so khan getting fucked up bad,worse than hatton against pac,he blamed his weight,classic:rofl
i just thought it was becouse he has a shit chin:deal

[MattMattMatt]

you are taking the piss aint you,the fucking guardian,jeez do people who enjoy boxing read that leftwing tosh.
so khan getting fucked up bad,worse than hatton against pac,he blamed his weight,classic:rofl
i just thought it was becouse he has a shit chin:deal

The guardian is alright. You don't have to be a right wing idiot to like boxing!:tong

[NO MAS]

Khans handspeed wins this fight for him.....In the Prescott fight all Khan was talking about in the build up was his bodyfat percentage and how low he had got it down to.... Khan has shifted the weight off his shoulders into his legs now...... Khan can win this...he should then vacate and get back in with the Lightweights IMO.... :yep

[chesh]

Would a 22 year guy be a bit nervous stepping in with a ATG after just 2 fights ago he got KTFO in under a 1 min by a unknown fighter? maybe

That was a bad clash of heads, I remember seeing Khan's face after a few days after the fight it swelled up pretty bad around his eye, God knows how much pain he was in, look at MAB's cut must of been a hard clash but still he did not show any pain.

You are right about nervous energy, Dr.Roach has been trying to get Khan to relax more in the ring, but i guess he will naturally with time become more relaxed with his age and more fights.

Maybe at 140 more his natural weight he will feel better on fight nights.

I dont think there is anything wrong with his stamina Khan has done 12 rounds before without any problems.

He seems to move too much in a fight, cover a lot of unnecessary distance. That would make anyone tired over the course of 12 rounds. Defensive masters such as PBF and Pernell Whittaker do not waste energy in this way. No doubt Roach will have him in fantastic shape and, if he can execute the perfect gameplan, he can win on points. If he gasses, though, he's in trouble.

[Flea Man]

Kotelnik is a MODERATE hitter. But it only taks a light hitter to detach Khan from his senses, I think Kotelnik will win by 10th round K.O

[Darni187]

He seems to move too much in a fight, cover a lot of unnecessary distance. That would make anyone tired over the course of 12 rounds. Defensive masters such as PBF and Pernell Whittaker do not waste energy in this way. No doubt Roach will have him in fantastic shape and, if he can execute the perfect gameplan, he can win on points. If he gasses, though, he's in trouble.

Good points.

He does really need to relax in the ring more, become more natural, more fluid, not waste energy doing too much. I am sure Dr.Roach has picked up on this and would have been working with Khan to improve in this area of his game.

[indie_uk1]

Good luck amir.

Im hoping he puts in a good performance. there's far too much hate and negativity surrounding the young lad.

Ignore the haters and bring a world title home lad!!!!

[achillesthegreat]

Kotelnik has that tight defence and continous stream of bothersome punches. Much like Wright. Wright continously bothered Vargas despite not having the power to ko him. He did have the power to bother him and keep him honest.

Kotelnik also had bothersome punches for Witter.

Not being a puncher is one thing. Not being able to keep a guy honest is another. Mayweather for example isn't a puncher but you stil don't want him to hit you for the hell of it. Malignaggi isn't a puncher but Hatton, Cotto etc wouldn't mind take 4 of his punches to get him on the ropes.

I think Kotelnik can keep a guy honest.

[widdy]

The guardian is alright. You don't have to be a right wing idiot to like boxing!:tong

i know,but a least in rightwing papers you get plenty of tits and ass:ass

[MattMattMatt]

i know,but a least in rightwing papers you get plenty of tits and ass:ass

lol. If only there could be some sensible middle ground.:lol: