View Full Version : Why Holyfield will beat Sultan
lefthook31
09-04-2007, 07:55 PM
Listening to the press conference and Sultan speaking of his tremendous respect for Holyfield, its unhealthy. Hes going to see how much respect he loses for Holyfield when Evander starts headbutting him and roughing him up. I dont think Sultan is prepared or even mentally aware how dirty Holy fights now. Holyfield is going to take this guy apart.:!:
pipe wrenched
09-04-2007, 08:18 PM
I sure hope so. Kind of like B-Hop, he's been around the block and back a few times and knows every damn trick in the book. I will be pulling for Holy to do his thing, but do NOT underestimate Sultan.
Guru_Too_You
09-04-2007, 08:20 PM
Holyfield's bigger and stronger and I think he's gonna show Sultan what a warrior is.
I'm serious. I think Holy is gonna piss pound him into submission.
Dr Gonzo
09-04-2007, 08:23 PM
Holyfield KO1 via headbutt
no but seriously - i think Holyfield will come into this fight in great shape; he well pressure Sultan all night long and probably come away with a close points decision. I cant see him getting the KO but a KD isnt that unlikely
Loufatski
09-04-2007, 08:32 PM
Listening to the press conference and Sultan speaking of his tremendous respect for Holyfield, its unhealthy. Hes going to see how much respect he loses for Holyfield when Evander starts headbutting him and roughing him up. I dont think Sultan is prepared or even mentally aware how dirty Holy fights now. Holyfield is going to take this guy apart.:!:
With headbutts, maybe. With fighting, questionable.
2smart4u
09-04-2007, 08:35 PM
:smoke HOLY is getting stopped !
brooklyn1550
09-04-2007, 08:36 PM
I see Holyfield winning a decision
grumpy
09-04-2007, 08:49 PM
Holy will wear him down and maybe even stop him late
ironchamp
09-04-2007, 09:41 PM
I just can't see Holyfield winning this. As nice as it would be for Evander to pull this off, I dont think he has the workrate to compete with the top level fighters.
box03
09-04-2007, 09:48 PM
If it goes to a decision and the fights close, Holyfield takes it. Your going to see Holyfield at his best or at least as best as he can be at this stage in his career, trust me Holyfields going to give iggy some head in this fight.
RUSKULL
09-04-2007, 09:54 PM
If it goes to a decision and the fights close, Holyfield takes it. Your going to see Holyfield at his best or at least as best as he can be at this stage in his career, trust me Holyfields going to give iggy some head in this fight.
:lol: :rofl
Get back in the closet!
box03
09-04-2007, 10:05 PM
:lol: :rofl
Get back in the closet! You know what I mean, Holyfields going to use his head in this one. Remember for a while there he had them boxing trunks that said "HEAD" on them, what did that mean i never got that.
Zakman
09-05-2007, 12:16 AM
I'm not at all sold on Ibragimov. Holyfield is obviously not even close to what he was, but even at this age, he's better than Ray Austin - who, let's not forget, had Sultan on the canvas, and nearly beat him. If a guy has to go life and death with Ray Austin, that's a guy who DEFINITELY could lose to Holyfield.
box03
09-05-2007, 12:20 AM
I'm not at all sold on Ibragimov. Holyfield is obviously not even close to what he was, but even at this age, he's better than Ray Austin - who, let's not forget, had Sultan on the canvas, and nearly beat him. If a guy has to go life and death with Ray Austin, that's a guy who DEFINITELY could lose to Holyfield. good point I really feel he froze up against Wlad leaving himself open to get destroyed the way he did, it was his first appearence on center stage thats part of the reason he was beaten so badly.
thesandman
09-05-2007, 12:43 AM
You know what I mean, Holyfields going to use his head in this one. Remember for a while there he had them boxing trunks that said "HEAD" on them, what did that mean i never got that.
Head is a brand of sportswear. They used to make Tennis shoes and stuff like that.
box03
09-05-2007, 12:46 AM
Head is a brand of sportswear. They used to make Tennis shoes and stuff like that. thanks wasnt sure what it meant, how fitting for evander since thats his biggest weapon in the ring.
DamonD
09-05-2007, 03:10 AM
If Sultan wins this fight, I hope he get appropriate credit and praise here considering the groundswell of support for Holyfield.
I just have a feeling it'll be "oh, doesn't count, Holyfield's old and shot" again.
surreal deal
09-05-2007, 05:53 AM
Listening to the press conference and Sultan speaking of his tremendous respect for Holyfield, its unhealthy. Hes going to see how much respect he loses for Holyfield when Evander starts headbutting him and roughing him up. I dont think Sultan is prepared or even mentally aware how dirty Holy fights now. Holyfield is going to take this guy apart.:!:
are you insulting holy or complimenting him?:huh
ThePlugInBabies
09-05-2007, 06:35 AM
holyfield isn't winning this fight, the guy has beaten 4 bums since his comeback, and one of them oquendo, pushed him close, he hasn't fought anyone with a pulse for nearly 3 years. that winning steak does not justify any of these crazy predictions.
lefthook31
09-05-2007, 08:07 AM
are you insulting holy or complimenting him?:huh
Im just pointing out that I dont think Sultan knows what hes up against in this fight. Its not going to be a boxing match. Holyfield fights a lot differently now, and I think after the fight Sultan is going to be suprised as to how Holyfield is as a fighter in the ring. I think he expects a boxing match and not the street fight that Holyfield brings these days.
surreal deal
09-05-2007, 09:15 AM
Im just pointing out that I dont think Sultan knows what hes up against in this fight. Its not going to be a boxing match. Holyfield fights a lot differently now, and I think after the fight Sultan is going to be suprised as to how Holyfield is as a fighter in the ring. I think he expects a boxing match and not the street fight that Holyfield brings these days.
i doubt hell be that misguided and naive.holys '3rd fist' and wn at all costs,screw the rules, approach arent insider secrets.
good point though;how will he cope with a ghetto brawl?
Dorfmeister
09-05-2007, 10:38 AM
Listening to the press conference and Sultan speaking of his tremendous respect for Holyfield, its unhealthy. Hes going to see how much respect he loses for Holyfield when Evander starts headbutting him and roughing him up. I dont think Sultan is prepared or even mentally aware how dirty Holy fights now. Holyfield is going to take this guy apart.:!:
Even though lefthook31 has somehow shown some wishful thinking about Holy's chances, I still find his remarks pretty unfortunate if not unhealthy ( like he mentions about Sultan's words of which I only see respect)... Vander had his share of unclean sluggers in Dwight Braxton, Rick Parkey, Seamus McDonaugh, Adilson Rodrigues, Bert Cooper, Mike Tyson, Vinny Maddalone and specially Riddick Bowe ( since lefthook31 presents Eddie in his profile pic), Big Daddy hit Holy south of the border, back of the head, kidneys, etc, etc, and got out of the picture against Golota the way he did, ironic to say the least... I really wish people to look how Tyson went right against Vander's side of the head in the 7th and still cried to the ref Mitch Halpern, how Hasim got that swollen head and Vinnie got cut before talkin about how The Real Deal fights, even Fres and Lou were complaning in spite of fighting, Goddamn it!
This is real simple: Ibragimov can stop Holyfield with accumulation and his sneaky fast delivery, also Holyfield will be trying harder than Briggs so there will be more mistakes-opportunities for Sultan to time him.
However, if he choses to pursue that, there's also a chance HE migh get timed by Evander, in which case he'd be in more trouble than he was with Ray Austin.
Still, I think getting dropped in the Austin fight changed Ibragimov a little, I think he's now decided that his gameplans will be around his exceptional mobility and above average handspeed.
Against Holyfield, hit & run is almost guaranteed to work, I'd be surprised if Ibragimov deviates from it unless he's certain Holyfield is falling apart from fatigue.
wow.... for all the people picking holy to win this fight, bet you anything sultan doesnt get one ounce of credit when he wins.
youthmann
09-05-2007, 12:35 PM
THE Real deal will be back and win a hard warriors fight. Holy by decision or late stoppage. No doubt.
Guru_Too_You
09-05-2007, 12:47 PM
wow.... for all the people picking holy to win this fight, bet you anything sultan doesnt get one ounce of credit when he wins.
I think its more about Sultan's less than stellar rise to the top than it is about Holyfield. People aren't sold on Sultan, and beating a 44 year old Evander Holyfield won't help.
Sultan by easy UD. worse than the Donald fight.
Dorfmeister
09-05-2007, 03:03 PM
THE Real deal will be back and win a hard warriors fight. Holy by decision or late stoppage. No doubt.
The problem here is, youthman, that Holy and Tyson had more than unfinished business and caught most people's ears ever since. Tyson snapped, chewed Vander's ear and saw his own myth die in front of his eyes ( actually he saw it much before when he went to palokaville with Buster), the Tyson fans never forgot and because they didn't, Holy is to be a head-butter sonabitch forever more... That's how I see it when people start threads like this or concerning Vander's retirement - it's unfinished Tyson/Holy hatred. But picture this fellas - just like Dr. King and Malcom - Tyson is a product of violence and fought hazzards with the axe of hate, Holyfield is the humble warrior and fought Tyson's attack with the seed of love and forgiveness ( he could have had Mike in a deep shit situation but he didn't), Mills Lane was just the righteous arm of justice in the right place at the right time... So why do people still talk about Holy being a dirty fighter if not for what has been clearly mentioned? Everybody loves Evander, Ruiz, Toney, Bowe, Lewis and even Mike Tyson is going to Moskow to watch Holyfield, so we should love eachother and stop the crap of who's the macho in this and other threads, lefthook31, youthman, everybody, just love, respect, understanding and forthrightness like Holyfield and Sultan ( The White Tyson BTW)
wholesomefolsom
09-05-2007, 03:07 PM
I'm not at all sold on Ibragimov. Holyfield is obviously not even close to what he was, but even at this age, he's better than Ray Austin - who, let's not forget, had Sultan on the canvas, and nearly beat him. If a guy has to go life and death with Ray Austin, that's a guy who DEFINITELY could lose to Holyfield.
I hope your basing a pick against Sultan on more than just his performance against Austin. That fight was an anomaly for Sultan as he came into that fight out of shape and ten lbs. higher than he's ever weighed in before.
If Sultan comes to this fight in shape, I think he's just gonna be too quick for Holyfield and this fight could get ugly quick.
Doomas
09-05-2007, 03:11 PM
This fght will be fixed, mark my words we'll see some strange stuff and holy will win.
divac
09-05-2007, 08:48 PM
I just can't see Holyfield winning this. As nice as it would be for Evander to pull this off, I dont think he has the workrate to compete with the top level fighters.
I'm one of Holyfield's biggest supporters, and I dont think Holyfield has the workrate either....
......the question however is whether Sultan is really a top level Heavyweight.
I dont see anything in Sultan's resume thats overly impressive.
Beating Briggs who can barely catch a breath and who's workrate himself is much less than Holyfield's, was'nt enough to impress me.
.....but who knows, the fight with Briggs is the only fight I've seen of Sultans, and he is quick and fundamentally sound.....
Its hard to say what will happen. What Holyfield will show up????
.....one that was eager to fight as he did vs Savarese.....or one that could'nt pull the trigger vs Larry Donald.
It's simply hard to dismiss Holyfields horrid performances vs the likes of Donald, Toney, and Byrd.....
I dont have a pick in this fight except to say I'll be rooting hardcore for Evander Holyfield!
Even if its against an unproven like Sultan, It would be great to see Holyfield lift the Heavyweight championship belt one more time!
Go HOLYFIELD!!!!!!!!:happy
psychopath
09-05-2007, 09:20 PM
Why Holyfield will beat Sultan
. . . If that's the younger Holy . . . Yes. But now . . . I'm no longer sure, but I'm praying for Holy's victory. :good
geppy
09-05-2007, 09:24 PM
Ammusing, just give Sultan credit when he beats the shit out of HGHfield. HGHfield is not going to even touch Sultan.
why are alot of people all the sudan think Holy will win? oh yeah because he beat Saverse.....well that says it all.....Holy will be retired once and for all. And it may get ugly.
fatcity
09-05-2007, 11:06 PM
Sultan is not a shot Savarese.Too much youth and speed.Sultan by easy decision or Holy will retire late.:good
thesandman
09-05-2007, 11:28 PM
IF Sultan can simply box smart, jab and move, he should win comfortably.
If he decides to stand there and go blow for blow with ol' billy goat head, he's just asking for trouble. That brings the ball right back into Holys court.
If he wants to KO Holy, he needs to work the body like FatToney did, and make Holy feel every one of his 40 odd years.
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