Better chance to beat SRL...Cuevas or Benetiz at WW?

[Longhhorn71]

A young Leonard walked "around" a prime Cuevas.

Benetiz...for some reason.... only trained a minimum time....even with
his WBC Title on the line.

[Addie]

A young Leonard walked "around" a prime Cuevas.

Benetiz...for some reason.... only trained a minimum time....even with
his WBC Title on the line.

Benitez was a much better fighter than Cuevas.

[birddog]

benitez wasn't mature enough to realize the big picture, at that time. most likely never would

[WhataRock]

Wilfred did ok in spots in that fight...I question the stories revolving around how little he trained.

I dont see Cuevas fairing better...He just doesnt have the tools.

[GazOC]

Its really hard to make a case for Cuevas beating Leonard at WW.

[redrooster]

The answer is simple: Cuevas was too dangerous a fight to take even for Leonard

[laxpdx]

Cuevas, as he had the KO power to end it.

[Addie]

Cuevas, as he had the KO power to end it.

Not against Leonard. :-( Just wouldn't happen.

[redrooster]

Not against Leonard. :-( Just wouldn't happen.

Anything is possible but Pipino was a freak of nature with frame and super dense muscles. he was like no other that Leonard fought.

[Addie]

Anything is possible but Pipino was a freak of nature with frame and super dense muscles. he was like no other that Leonard fought.

Leonard was in a different league to Cuevas.

[redrooster]

Leonard was in a different league to Cuevas.

Skillwise, you could say that about a lot of fighters that lost to great hitters and Cuevas ranks up there with Bob Fitzsimmons, George Foreman, Bob Foster, Julian Jackson..

I look at it this way, if you can hurt Ray Leonard you have a good shot at beating him.

I'm not saying ray dont have a chance to win but in my opinion, Cuevas and Napoles were the best

[Addie]

Skillwise, you could say that about a lot of fighters that lost to great hitters and Cuevas ranks up there with Bob Fitzsimmons, George Foreman, Bob Foster, Julian Jackson..

I look at it this way, if you can hurt Ray Leonard you have a good shot at beating him.

I'm not saying ray dont have a chance to win but in my opinion, Cuevas and Napoles were the best

You favor Cuevas to knock Leonard out? What a fucking surprise. :patsch

[redrooster]

You favor Cuevas to knock Leonard out? What a fucking surprise. :patsch

We'll just have to agree to dissagree

[laxpdx]

Not against Leonard. :-( Just wouldn't happen.

All I'm saying is if Cuevas caught him a few too many times. Benitez wasn't known for inflicting that kind of damage.

[Sweet Pea]

I can envision Leonard knocking out Cuevas in a war.

[My2Sense]

Cuevas, as he had the KO power to end it.

That's basically what I was thinking.

Neither of them could probably ever beat Leonard, but at least Cuevas had a theoretical puncher's chance. What is Benitez going to do?

[Bill Butcher]

A young Leonard walked "around" a prime Cuevas.

Benetiz...for some reason.... only trained a minimum time....even with
his WBC Title on the line.

I dont see any of them beating SRL for the simple reason that I would give Benitez a better chance than Cuevas & Leonard has already dominated & stopped Benitez, Wilfredo doesnt have enough firepower to beat Leonard, that was his problem vs both SRL & Hearns.
We saw Cuevas-Hearns, Ray stops him also, no doubt.

Answer to your thread question tho - Benitez.

[Bill Butcher]

The answer is simple: Cuevas was too dangerous a fight to take even for Leonard

Like Hearns & Duran were.

SRL would ass fuck Cuevas, please dont go down this silly road again.

[JohnThomas1]

Cuevas, Benitez already had his chance where Pipino's chances are not shot lol. But he's not winning.

[PowerPuncher]

Neither have slim to no chance

[WhataRock]

Actually I change my mind..I can see what people are talking about now.

Pipino will throw everything he has at Leonard..He may not have great technical skills, he might not have the best defense but he has power in spades.

99 times out 100 Leonard will beat him and probably stop him..But he has the power to just maybe land that shot that could end it..or break a bone that changes to dynamic of the fight..Like how when Ray was rocked by Duran.

Wilfred couldnt beat Leonard doing what he does best..he was outsped, outboxed and totally punked in the counterpunching role.
Whats he going to do really? Outbrawl him? Go all out for a KO? Not really what he does...but thats Pipino does.

[stevebhoy87]

Neither have any real significant chance, leonad proved he was a better fighter than benitez and i doubt if they rematched it would have been any different. I'd possibly give cuevas a slightly higher chance as his power was chilling but if a better puncher in hearns couln't knockout leonard i doubt pipino could either

[redrooster]

Like Hearns & Duran were.

SRL would ass fuck Cuevas, please dont go down this silly road again.


Benitez doesnt have the power to hurt Leonard. They already proved that in their fight.

Cuevas does. and I'm not talking theoretically. When pipino goes on the attack there's nothing that can stop him or slow him down. It's like being in the ring with an armed killer.

and Leonard doesnt have the power to do anything about it.

If Duran beat Ray by using presure tactics I hate to think what Pipino and all his awesome weaponry dould have done. I see extensive damage being meted out on Ray.

[Addie]

Benitez doesnt have the power to hurt Leonard. They already proved that in their fight.

Cuevas does. and I'm not talking theoretically. When pipino goes on the attack there's nothing that can stop him or slow him down. It's like being in the ring with an armed killer.

and Leonard doesnt have the power to do anything about it.

If Duran beat Ray by using presure tactics I hate to think what Pipino and all his awesome weaponry dould have done. I see extensive damage being meted out on Ray.

:lol: Your good for laughs, at least.

[redrooster]

:lol: Your good for laughs, at least.

I dont doubt that leonard is the better all around fighter

Just as Terry Norris was much the better between himself and Jackson but when confronted by so much raw power, the more skillful boxer must eventually fall.

I like Leonard, an all time great but Cuevas is all wrong for him

[Robbi]

.I like Leonard, an all time great but Cuevas is all wrong for him

:blood

[redrooster]

:blood

I have the same right to admire Leonard as the rest of you

[Addie]

I have the same right to admire Leonard as the rest of you

You have one thing going against you. Your track record.

[Robbi]

I have the same right to admire Leonard as the rest of you

Hagler in his prime when 15 rounds with an ex lightweight. :lol:

[redrooster]

Hagler in his prime when 15 rounds with an ex lightweight. :lol:

That'sthe thing I've noticed about Hagler, that he has the uncanny ability to raise his performance to whatever degree he so desires. As in the Sibson fight, Hamsho, Lee, Hearns. You get the idea

[Robbi]

That'sthe thing I've noticed about Hagler, that he has the uncanny ability to raise his performance to whatever degree he so desires. As in the Sibson fight, Hamsho, Lee, Hearns. You get the idea

15 rounds with a former lightweight.


:lol:

[Sweet Pea]

I actually think Rooster is being reasonable and reserved for once.

[TommyV]

I don't see Cuevas having the tools to beat Leonard. Yes he has power, but Leonard besides having an under-rated defense had probably an under-rated chin aswell. I can't see Cuevas beating him at all.

[ThinBlack]

Benitez, and he didn't do the trick.Cuevas wouldn't do much more than probably stun Leonard, he had that great chin, and he would have Cuevas out of there by the ninth.

[teeto]

Cuevas is going to be outclassed against Leonard, plain and simple.

[SLAKKA]

Guys Andy Hawk Price took Pipino. SRL blitzed Price.

[Boxed Ears]

Kurvist or Benetiz? Benetiz. Kurvist would've gotten Timmy Nerris out of there though. :hey

[lora]

I can't help but think we should see what Burst ballscock's thoughts are here.

[janwalshs]

I think the key words for this hypothesis is "better chance", i.e. who would have the better chance to beat SRL. This doesn't mean either man should be favored to beat SRL.

Both Leonard and Benitez were far more skilled than Cuevas. Nobody would dispute that. Both men would have likely beaten Pipino, but....There's also no doubt a prime Pipino Cuevas would have had a puncher's chance against any fighter. Hearns was a freak himself and Cuevas could never get near enough to land anything.

However, Leonard was only slighter taller than Cuevas and wouldn't have had the tremendous height-reach advantage Hearns did. It's certainly theoretically possible Cuevas could have gotten Leonard before Leonard got him. One punch could have busted a jaw or facial bone that could have determined the fight. Cuevas had that kind of power.

Would it have happened? Who knows? But certainly it was possible.

[Cobra33]

Before Hearns Cuevas was a machine-I think Leonard would take him but if Cuevas landed flush on Ray it would turn into a war.
Cuevas actually broke facial bones,eye sockets,jaws-the man had stonehands but I think Ray would be too much for him even though it would have been fun.

[Cobra33]

Andy Hawk did beat Cuevas but it was a heck of a fight and it wasnt easy.Price was a good boxer who Ray just caught early-it happens.Price alsoo beat Palamino.

[MagnaNasakki]

Cuevas.

If they fought Leonard 10 times a piece, they would both lose all 10 times.

But Cuevas could swing and get REALLY lucky(Not likely, not even Hearns power troubled Leonard to terribly much), whereas Benitez failed to win a chessmatch with Leonard, which is where he's at his best.

Cuevas KO is more likely than Benitez UD. They were both pretty peak, and Benitez got stopped while way behind on points. Cuevas has that punchers chance.

Really, though, Leonard is such a dramatic favorite. I'd bet my house on him to stop Pipino in five or less, if he felt like violence.

[MAG1965]

Benitez at 154 had a good chance to beat Leonard in 1982. Leonard at WW always would win. I thought Benitez at 154 could beat anyone. Hearns was tough because Tommy with his jab didn't let Benitez box and control the action with his defense and counters. I cannot see Cuevas beat Leonard, but Pipino was quality. I just see Ray win a decision. Might be a nerveracking fight for Ray.