Prime Lennox Lewis Vs Prime Larry Holmes???

[anut]

.........I THINK THE LARRY HOLMES WHO FOUGHT FROM 1979 TO 1982 WOULD HAVE BEATEN LENNOX LEWIS VIA DECISION....LARRY HAD A MUCH BETTER CHIN ALSO....:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

[2smart4u]

.........I THINK THE LARRY HOLMES WHO FOUGHT FROM 1979 TO 1982 WOULD HAVE BEATEN LENNOX LEWIS VIA DECISION....LARRY HAD A MUCH BETTER CHIN ALSO....:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke LL splatters him !

[semichin]

:smoke LL splatters him ! I might bet LL due to size, Mr 2 smart for me (I am Formerly Dr Vooh ) :lol:

[BewareofDawg]

Prime Lewis beats Holmes IMHO. Larry Holmes fought most of his prime at around 215lbs :deal :deal :deal Not saying size would be a deciding factor, but it cannot be overlooked. Lewis was much bigger with a similar level of skill and similar speed (Prime Lewis was faster then he gets credit for).

Also, look how each did against Tyson :hey :hey :hey (J/K :D )

[McGrain]

This fight would be magic.

I think I will go for Lewis via TKO. Larry might be a wee bit suceptable to an overhand right, and there aren't many as hard as Lewis's.

Ref pulls him out any time after the 5th with Larry in trouble ever since he first got hurt, a couple of rounds previous.

[box03]

Larry had a better jab than Lewis and he would of used it all night on him, Larry also had quicker hands than Lewis and alot better footwork. The only thing Lewis had better was power, and that wouldnt of mattered cause he wouldve been able to get a good right hand in over Larrys Jabs. This fight goes to a decision a lopsidded victory for Mr.Holmes, Lewis couldnt hold holmes' jock strap.

[BewareofDawg]

Larry had a better jab than Lewis and he would of used it all night on him, Larry also had quicker hands than Lewis and alot better footwork. The only thing Lewis had better was power, and that wouldnt of mattered cause he wouldve been able to get a good right hand in over Larrys Jabs. This fight goes to a decision a lopsidded victory for Mr.Holmes, Lewis couldnt hold holmes' jock strap.
You exposed your bias with this last sentence. I was actually taking your post serious until this :good

[thesandman]

I could see this fight going so many different ways I couldn't even begin to pick a winner.

Holmes could outbox Lewis I believe - although Lewis was much bigger than any 'boxer' Holmes had to deal with.

If Lewis gets outboxed though, he can always resort to Plan B. Just ask Frank Bruno how that works out... (altho Larrys chin far better than Brunos).

There's a chance Lewis could be KO'd if behind on points and going right hand crazy too.

Having said all that, Lewis could always win on points too.

I honestly believe if you had 5 fights between these 2, they'd be completely different every time.

[box03]

You exposed your bias with this last sentence. I was actually taking your post serious until this :good It was a joke nothing disrespectful to Lewis it was a comment Larry got in trouble with back in the 80s when he said that Dempsy couldnt hold or wear his jock.

[McGrain]

You mean Marciano?

And he sure as shit didn't talk about "wearing" it.

:lol:

[BewareofDawg]

It was a joke nothing disrespectful to Lewis it was a comment Larry got in trouble with back in the 80s when he said that Dempsy couldnt hold or wear his jock.
My apologies then :good

[Zakman]

.........I THINK THE LARRY HOLMES WHO FOUGHT FROM 1979 TO 1982 WOULD HAVE BEATEN LENNOX LEWIS VIA DECISION....LARRY HAD A MUCH BETTER CHIN ALSO....:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

Agreed. Might have even been able to take advantage of Lewis' shaky whiskers and stop him late, too. :nod

[box03]

You mean Marciano? Yeah my bad, thats who I meant. I remember my dad telling me about that a while back, they never show that interview on tv I wonder why?:lol:

[2smart4u]

I might bet LL due to size, Mr 2 smart for me (I am Formerly Dr Vooh ) :lol::D !:good

[doom bull]

Lennox Lewis isn't Jerry Coony or Tex Cobb. Nobody was a solid 6'5" 240 lbs back then. Lewis by KO.

[liljp361]

Holmes is too vulnerable to right hands to win this IMO.You dont think Holmes would win because of his competitive nature and his ability to take a good punch and still want to win? Holmes was a tough man...

[Vanboxingfan]

I'd pick Lewis but I certainly wouldn't be shocked if Holmes won by UD.

[anut]

:smoke LL splatters him !......YA RIGHT....NO WAY...LENNOX COULDNT EVEN STAND UP TO MCCALL..........HECK I BET A 42 YR OLD HOLMES BEATS A 37 YR OLD LEWIS:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

[Mankind]

.........I THINK THE LARRY HOLMES WHO FOUGHT FROM 1979 TO 1982 WOULD HAVE BEATEN LENNOX LEWIS VIA DECISION....LARRY HAD A MUCH BETTER CHIN ALSO....:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

I tend to agree with this.
Holmes was way to quick for him.

I could however see.....if they fought 5 times....Lewis winning 1 or two of them.

[Mankind]

Lennox Lewis isn't Jerry Coony or Tex Cobb. Nobody was a solid 6'5" 240 lbs back then. Lewis by KO.

Larry Holmes isnt Rachman or McCall...

[anut]

Holmes Was A Very Compettive Fighter.....even When Snipes Knocked Him Down He Came Back To Win The Rd(in My Opinion)....fuk Everyone Lewis Fought Was Over The Hill To Cement His Legacy....a Totally Washed Up Tyson......a 37 Yr Old Holy.....panic Attacks Golota.....mercer Who Larry Beat Easily At 42.....mercer Gave Lewis Fits At Lewiss Prime........weaver Was Ancient When Lewis Fought Him.......bruno Beat On Lewis For 7 Rds.........ocasio Went The Distance With Lewis.......larry Knocked Him Out With A Jab.......levi Billups 10 Rds......no Way Billups Goes 10 With Larry..........lewis Overated By Beating Men Past Thier Prime

[Lacyace]

55/45 Holmes

Holmes SD Lewis

[Stinky gloves]

Also, look how each did against Tyson :hey :hey :hey (J/K :D )

Yup, if you count Tyson case I think you should put McBride ahead of Holmes and Lewis.
Only McBride was able to force Tyson to quit ... :good and he pretty easy dominated him.

[thesandman]

Holmes Was A Very Compettive Fighter.....even When Snipes Knocked Him Down He Came Back To Win The Rd(in My Opinion)....fuk Everyone Lewis Fought Was Over The Hill To Cement His Legacy....a Totally Washed Up Tyson......a 37 Yr Old Holy.....panic Attacks Golota.....mercer Who Larry Beat Easily At 42.....mercer Gave Lewis Fits At Lewiss Prime........weaver Was Ancient When Lewis Fought Him.......bruno Beat On Lewis For 7 Rds.........ocasio Went The Distance With Lewis.......larry Knocked Him Out With A Jab.......levi Billups 10 Rds......no Way Billups Goes 10 With Larry..........lewis Overated By Beating Men Past Thier Prime

I can't even begin to read that.

It's a block of garbage, but the few things I did read were pretty funny.

"Bruno beat on Lewis for 7 rounds". Right. And then was TKO'd because of sore fists?

Your points are about as relevant as saying

"If Larry Holmes could be outboxed by a blown up light heavy TWICE that Tyson KO'd in 30 seconds - then Lewis absolutely butchers Holmes".

See, I don't even believe that, but it's as valid as anything you've put in that block of text.

[TheGreat]

Holmes by UD I see him having to much speed for LL, and bringing up how each fared against Tyson is retarted as Holmes was 38 and no longer in his prime fighting Tyson at his peak while Lewis fought Tyson 17 yrs after he turned pro and was shot.

[anut]

55/45 Holmes

Holmes SD Lewis..............a 38 yr old holmes would knock out a 35 yr old tyson.....no prob....so what lewis did too tyson was like marciano beating louis....IT MEANS NOTHING BUT$$$$$$$$$$$:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

[anut]

I can't even begin to read that.

It's a block of garbage, but the few things I did read were pretty funny.

"Bruno beat on Lewis for 7 rounds". Right. And then was TKO'd because of sore fists?

Your points are about as relevant as saying

"If Larry Holmes could be outboxed by a blown up light heavy TWICE that Tyson KO'd in 30 seconds - then Lewis absolutely butchers Holmes".

See, I don't even believe that, but it's as valid as anything you've put in that block of text...................LARRY WASNT IN HIS PRIME WHEN SPINKS BEAT HIM......IM TALKIN BOUT 1979 TO 1982......:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

[thesandman]

..................LARRY WASNT IN HIS PRIME WHEN SPINKS BEAT HIM......IM TALKIN BOUT 1979 TO 1982......:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

But yet you picked specific fights to highlight Lewis's faults over the length of his whole career.

If you picked the years 97 to 2000 for Lewis then most of your comments are irrelevant too, except for Holys age.

If you choose to ignore the fact that he had 2 of the 3 belts at the time of course.....

[barneyrub]

.........I THINK THE LARRY HOLMES WHO FOUGHT FROM 1979 TO 1982 WOULD HAVE BEATEN LENNOX LEWIS VIA DECISION....LARRY HAD A MUCH BETTER CHIN ALSO....:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smokeHolmes`s knockdowns versus Snipes and Shavers would have been waved off today, he got up at about the same count that Lewis did versus Mccall and was in a worse state.

[barneyrub]

..............a 38 yr old holmes would knock out a 35 yr old tyson.....no prob....so what lewis did too tyson was like marciano beating louis....IT MEANS NOTHING BUT$$$$$$$$$$$:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smokenah, lewis was actually older than tyson plus he had been in the ring for only 3 and a half rounds since being knocked out! Everyone said lewis was shot after the first rahman fight. You can spin it to make believe that lewis was at his prime facing an old tyson if you want but its innaccurate, lewis was severely diminished physically by the time he was 36 in that fight.

[Rumsfeld]

Holmes via late TKO or lopsided decision.

[Vanboxingfan]

With these kinds of questions, one might as well just ask which fighter you like better and be done with it. Honestly, when you're deally with two elite fighters of this calibre either fighter could win. Holmes is faster, Lewis bigger and more powerful.

[A-50]

I would take Lennox Lewis. Holmes did not fight anybody worth a crap.

[Rumsfeld]

I would take Lennox Lewis. Holmes did not fight anybody worth a crap.

:lol:

[Guru_Too_You]

Holmes is too vulnerable to right hands to win this IMO.

While I agree with this, there is another half to properly assess this fight.

Prime Lewis was outjabbed by Frank Bruno. That does not bode well for Lennox.

[Steviewonder]

I would take Lennox Lewis. Holmes did not fight anybody worth a crap.



What about Evander Holyfield, Prime Tyson, and Ken Norton? Not to mention Michael Spinks, who was a good fighter in the 80's.

[PATSYS]

Holmes struggled heavily against a past prime Norton and a novice and average Witherspoon. Then he lost to a former LHW Spinks.

Lewis by TKO/UD.

[Guru_Too_You]

Holmes struggled heavily against a past prime Norton and a novice and average Witherspoon. Then he lost to a former LHW Spinks.

Lewis by TKO/UD.

Lewis struggled with a gatekeeper in Mercer and Lennox was knocked out cold in his prime against the average McCall and Rahman.

Holmes TKO/UD.

[BewareofDawg]

Lewis struggled with a gatekeeper in Mercer and Lennox was knocked out cold in his prime against the average McCall and Rahman.

Holmes TKO/UD.
Funny. That same gate-keeper is often referred to as one of Holyfields best wins.

Not necessarily directed at you Guru, just pointing that out :good

[Guru_Too_You]

Funny. That same gate-keeper is often referred to as one of Holyfields best wins.

Not necessarily directed at you Guru, just pointing that out :good

Gate-keeper isnt neccesarily the best word, contender would be better.

[PATSYS]

Lewis struggled with a gatekeeper in Mercer and Lennox was knocked out cold in his prime against the average McCall and Rahman.

Holmes TKO/UD.

Lewis beat McCall and Rahman in the rematches. Those "average" guys hit harder than Holmes so if you are thinking Holmes would knock Lewis out cold too, you are delusional. :roll:

[Guru_Too_You]

Lewis beat McCall and Rahman in the rematches. Those "average" guys hit harder than Holmes so if you are thinking Holmes would knock Lewis out cold too, you are delusional. :roll:

You obviously missed most of Holmes' career. His right hand was certainly as good as Rahman's and McCall's. Come on now.

[Rumsfeld]

You obviously missed most of Holmes' career. His right hand was certainly as good as Rahman's and McCall's. Come on now.

As good? Nahhh...it was clearly better. Not only did it carry more power, it was a sneakier right hand which found the mark amidst the best jab in heavyweight history.

I wouldn't count Lewis out against Holmes entirely, but beating Larry would be no easy feat for any fighter who's ever laced the gloves.

[PATSYS]

You obviously missed most of Holmes' career. His right hand was certainly as good as Rahman's and McCall's. Come on now.

:lol: I saw a lot of his fights.

He threw everything but the ktichen sink at glass jawed Norton and couldn't do a dent.

Holmes and Ali are great boxers but they both lack power.

Of all the HW greats, Holmes and Holyfield are prolly the 2 fighters I would not give a high chance of beating Lewis. They will always make it a close fight but they would prolly lose.

At least Tyson, Frazier, Foreman, Dempsey and Liston have great powers.

And Ali, albeit not a power hitter, had too great skills and speed.

[Guru_Too_You]

:lol: I saw a lot of his fights.

He threw everything but the ktichen sink at glass jawed Norton and couldn't do a dent.

Holmes and Ali are great boxers but they both lack power.

Of all the HW greats, Holmes and Holyfield are prolly the 2 fighters I would not give a high chance of beating Lewis. They will always make it a close fight but they would prolly lose.

At least Tyson, Frazier, Foreman, Dempsey and Liston have great powers.

And Ali, albeit not a power hitter, had too great skills and speed.

Alright man, whatever you say. I'm just glad you can extrapolate something besides Pacman KO. Still, you're severely underrating Holmes' straight right hand, which is regarded by most as one of the best straight rights.

And you're doing this because of the Norton bout? Please man. Foreman, Cooney and Shavers all caught him cold and early. Foreman and Shavers arguably are the one and two most powerful punchers ever, and Cooney beat him when he was a shell of himself.

[Rumsfeld]

:lol: I saw a lot of his fights.

He threw everything but the ktichen sink at glass jawed Norton and couldn't do a dent.

Holmes and Ali are great boxers but they both lack power.

Of all the HW greats, Holmes and Holyfield are prolly the 2 fighters I would not give a high chance of beating Lewis. They will always make it a close fight but they would prolly lose.

At least Tyson, Frazier, Foreman, Dempsey and Liston have great powers.

And Ali, albeit not a power hitter, had too great skills and speed.

If forced to pick, I'll take Holyfield from the early 90s and Holmes from the late 70s over any version of Lewis.

[Guru_Too_You]

If forced to pick, I'll take Holyfield from the early 90s and Holmes from the late 70s over any version of Lewis.

I could never favor Holyfield over Lewis, but I'll take the late 70's Holmes over and version of Lewis and Holyfield.

[BewareofDawg]

If forced to pick, I'll take Holyfield from the early 90s and Holmes from the late 70s over any version of Lewis.
Holyfield never beats Lewis :good

[Rumsfeld]

I could never favor Holyfield over Lewis, but I'll take the late 70's Holmes over and version of Lewis and Holyfield.

I, too, would favor the late 70s Holmes over any version of Lewis, or Holyfield, or almost any other fighter...but why couldn't you favor a 1991 version of Holy over Lewis?

After all, a lethargic 1999 version of Holyfield fought competitively enough against Lewis that it's hardly far-fetched that a younger, quicker, stronger, and more active version of Holy would have stood a great chance at winning.

[Guru_Too_You]

I, too, would favor the late 70s Holmes over any version of Lewis, or Holyfield, or almost any other fighter...but why couldn't you favor a 1991 version of Holy over Lewis?

After all, a lethargic 1999 version of Holyfield fought competitively enough against Lewis that it's hardly far-fetched that a younger, quicker, stronger, and more active version of Holy would have stood a great chance at winning.

Far too accurate and powerful of a jab for a fighter of Holyfield's style to win. Same applies to Tyson, though Tyson's one punch power gives him a far better shot at stopping Lewis.

[lefthook31]

Holmes was ten times the boxer of Frank Bruno, Zeljko Mavrovic both movers who utilized their jabs, and gave Lewis fits. Holmes was faster slicker and had a better jab than Lewis. I dont think he would KO Lewis but beat him UD12.

[2smart4u]

Holyfield never beats Lewis :good:smoke YOU ARE CORRECT ! BUT LARRY also never beats LL !

[Guru_Too_You]

Holmes was ten times the boxer of Frank Bruno, Zeljko Mavrovic both movers who utilized their jabs, and gave Lewis fits. Holmes was faster slicker and had a better jab than Lewis. I dont think he would KO Lewis but beat him UD12.

:good

Good stuff left hook.

[Vanboxingfan]

I, too, would favor the late 70s Holmes over any version of Lewis, or Holyfield, or almost any other fighter...but why couldn't you favor a 1991 version of Holy over Lewis?

After all, a lethargic 1999 version of Holyfield fought competitively enough against Lewis that it's hardly far-fetched that a younger, quicker, stronger, and more active version of Holy would have stood a great chance at winning.

Why would someone suggest the version that fought Holyfield was competitive? By most accounts it was either 9-3 or 10-2 I don't consider this to be overly competitive.

[Rumsfeld]

Why would someone suggest the version that fought Holyfield was competitive? By most accounts it was either 9-3 or 10-2 I don't consider this to be overly competitive.

Who scored the second fight 9-3 or 10-2????

:huh

7-5 or 8-4 is much more reasonable and indicative of the action that took place. Note, those who had it a draw are, in my view, delusional--there's no doubting Lewis beat Holyfield.

But he was most certainly competitive, moreso in the rematch than the original encounter.

[Loufatski]

Prime Lewis beats Holmes IMHO. Larry Holmes fought most of his prime at around 215lbs :deal :deal :deal Not saying size would be a deciding factor, but it cannot be overlooked. Lewis was much bigger with a similar level of skill and similar speed (Prime Lewis was faster then he gets credit for).

Also, look how each did against Tyson :hey :hey :hey (J/K :D )

Look how "each" Wladimir Klitschko did against Brewster.

[A-50]

What about Evander Holyfield, Prime Tyson, and Ken Norton? Not to mention Michael Spinks, who was a good fighter in the 80's.

Spinks was a damn Light Heavyweight don't give me that crap.

[Dorfmeister]

Prime Lewis beats Holmes IMHO. Larry Holmes fought most of his prime at around 215lbs :deal :deal :deal Not saying size would be a deciding factor, but it cannot be overlooked. Lewis was much bigger with a similar level of skill and similar speed (Prime Lewis was faster then he gets credit for).

Also, look how each did against Tyson :hey :hey :hey (J/K :D )

Are u kiddin me? For Chrissake, Holmes is a Top 10 HWT of all time ( Bert Sugar says in ESPN and I agree with, Holy nº11 and Lewis just about inside Top 20), LH beat some 20 top level contenders who would become world champs themselves, Lewis is nowhere near the Truth Williams, Tim Witherspoon or Bonecrusher Smith of old so I guess that this is completely subjective issue- yo know, comparing weights, Tyson of 88 and of 2001, level of skill and speed - crap, BewareofDawg, Lewis was the 1st British to win a World HWT Championship of the 20th Century and to be undisputed HWT Champ, also for having beaten every men that beat him and that's how he'll be remembered ( despite some will remember Bruno more than Lennox for some reasons) - good for him, for you and for me with all due respect.

[barneyrub]

Lewis struggled with a gatekeeper in Mercer and Lennox was knocked out cold in his prime against the average McCall and Rahman.

Holmes TKO/UD.If that is the case then your saying that Lewis had a 7 year prime!!!! Which is titanicly long compared to every other fighter you might rank above him like Tyson who if often described as having a 2 and a bit year prime from 86 to 89, because we couldnt say he was prime when he got beat now could we. Or Holyfield who`s prime will be described as beating Douglas to losing to Bowe.
Lewis however by your analysis doesnt get the excuses that other fighters do, you actually suggest he was in his prime against both Mccall and Rahman 7 years apart lol, aye right pal.

[David B]

I don't see Lewis having problems with Norton.
I don't see Lewis getting knocked out fast by Tyson.
Lewis dominates Norton to win by UD or late round TKO.

[Rumsfeld]

I don't see Lewis having problems with Norton.
I don't see Lewis getting knocked out fast by Tyson.
Lewis dominates Norton to win by UD or late round TKO.

Do you see Holmes losing to Crackhead McCall or Rahman the Retard?

[David B]

Do you see Holmes losing to Crackhead McCall or Rahman the Retard?

yes i do,he was knocked out early by Tyson.

[Rumsfeld]

So? Ali was TKO'd by Holmes as well, does that mean anything?

Thank you!

Any detractor of Holmes who uses the TYSON BOUT as evidence against him is not worthy of a serious discussion.

[2smart4u]

If that is the case then your saying that Lewis had a 7 year prime!!!! Which is titanicly long compared to every other fighter you might rank above him like Tyson who if often described as having a 2 and a bit year prime from 86 to 89, because we couldnt say he was prime when he got beat now could we. Or Holyfield who`s prime will be described as beating Douglas to losing to Bowe.
Lewis however by your analysis doesnt get the excuses that other fighters do, you actually suggest he was in his prime against both Mccall and Rahman 7 years apart lol, aye right pal.:D I hate to say it but GREAT POST !:good

[Vanboxingfan]

Who scored the second fight 9-3 or 10-2????

:huh

7-5 or 8-4 is much more reasonable and indicative of the action that took place. Note, those who had it a draw are, in my view, delusional--there's no doubting Lewis beat Holyfield.

But he was most certainly competitive, moreso in the rematch than the original encounter.

Your post made no reference to the second fight so I was commenting on the first. But to view it another way, they fought 24 rounds of which Lewis won 16-17 of those rounds. (1st fight 9-3) second fight either (8-4 or 7-5)

[Decker]

Styles make fights and Lewis' right hand laser is going to land sooner or later. If Shavers and Snipes had Holmes down and in trouble then I am apt to believe Lewis could do the same and much more.

Lewis KO 10 Holmes Strange the LH huggers bever bring that up, just the old, tired song and dance about LL getting beat by 2 "average" HWs. Yeah, sure. McCall and Rahman were top contenders, and are still active. If they're average, what does it take to be decent? ATG status? :roll: :-( The anti LL arguments are almost as lame as the anti K bros arguments. :nut

LL may or may not T/KO LH, but I'd easily favor Lewis.

[errsta]

I'd pick homes by profanity laced tirade

[anut]

While I agree with this, there is another half to properly assess this fight.

Prime Lewis was outjabbed by Frank Bruno. That does not bode well for Lennox.

SHIT LEWIS WAS OUTJABED BY MERCER ALSO:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

[anut]

:smoke YOU ARE CORRECT ! BUT LARRY also never beats LL !

2SMART U R 2 DUMB BRO...........:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

[PATSYS]

Do you see Holmes losing to Crackhead McCall or Rahman the Retard? He lost to Mccall...;)

[anut]

He lost to Mccall...;)...........he lost too mccall but not knocked out.....ps he waas 44 yrs old not 32:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

[PATSYS]

...........he lost too mccall but not knocked out.....ps he waas 44 yrs old not 32:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

Mccall is a puncher with caveman boxing skills.

I would rather get koed with a lucky punch by a puncher than getting schooled by an unskilled boxer :tong :rofl

[2smart4u]

2SMART U R 2 DUMB BRO...........:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:patsch To big and powerful for LARRY ! LL would take him out in fashion ! :bbb

[Holmes' Jab]

Absolute primes:

Holmes, by tight UD. This would all the ingredients of a classic, Lewis would stand a very good chance of beating Holmes from '83 onwards.

[anut]

:patsch To big and powerful for LARRY ! LL would take him out in fashion ! :bbb

2 SMART WHATS THE FASCINATION WITH BIG FIGHTERS......BIG DONT MEAN NOTHING.....IF BIG MEANS ANYTHING THAN KEVIN MCBRIDE WOULD HAVE BEATEN A 1988 VERSION OF TYSON.......IF BIG MEANS EVERYTHING THAT MEANS VALUEV WOULD BEAT LENNOX LEWIS HIMSELF........BIG DONT MEAN ANYTHING......IM NOT SAYIN LARRY HOLMES IS THE BEST HEAVYWEIGHT OF ALL TIME.....BUT FROM 1979 TO 1982......HE DEFINETLY WOULD HAVE BEATEN FLAT FOOTED LUMBERING LENNOX WITH THAT PISTON LIKE JAB....NOT LETTING LEWIS SET UP FOR THE RIGHT HAND.....:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

[Vanboxingfan]

I could see this fight going so many different ways I couldn't even begin to pick a winner.

Holmes could outbox Lewis I believe - although Lewis was much bigger than any 'boxer' Holmes had to deal with.

If Lewis gets outboxed though, he can always resort to Plan B. Just ask Frank Bruno how that works out... (altho Larrys chin far better than Brunos).

There's a chance Lewis could be KO'd if behind on points and going right hand crazy too.

Having said all that, Lewis could always win on points too.

I honestly believe if you had 5 fights between these 2, they'd be completely different every time.

I enjoyed reading this post as it sums things up nicely. There are several possibilities and either fighter could win, cause both are elite ATG fighters.

[Vanboxingfan]

2 SMART WHATS THE FASCINATION WITH BIG FIGHTERS......BIG DONT MEAN NOTHING.....IF BIG MEANS ANYTHING THAN KEVIN MCBRIDE WOULD HAVE BEATEN A 1988 VERSION OF TYSON.......IF BIG MEANS EVERYTHING THAT MEANS VALUEV WOULD BEAT LENNOX LEWIS HIMSELF........BIG DONT MEAN ANYTHING......IM NOT SAYIN LARRY HOLMES IS THE BEST HEAVYWEIGHT OF ALL TIME.....BUT FROM 1979 TO 1982......HE DEFINETLY WOULD HAVE BEATEN FLAT FOOTED LUMBERING LENNOX WITH THAT PISTON LIKE JAB....NOT LETTING LEWIS SET UP FOR THE RIGHT HAND.....:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

Big by itself is meaningless, big and skilled and powerful is completely different. Lewis was the latter, and in his youth he was far from lumbering. Both fighters are elite ATG's so I think either fighter could win, but I think Lewis could possibilty win by TKO or by UD, where as Holmes would more likely win by UD, so I think Lewis has more ways to win, than Holmes.

[2smart4u]

Big by itself is meaningless, big and skilled and powerful is completely different. Lewis was the latter, and in his youth he was far from lumbering. Both fighters are elite ATG's so I think either fighter could win, but I think Lewis could possibilty win by TKO or by UD, where as Holmes would more likely win by UD, so I think Lewis has more ways to win, than Holmes.:good

[2smart4u]

2 SMART WHATS THE FASCINATION WITH BIG FIGHTERS......BIG DONT MEAN NOTHING.....IF BIG MEANS ANYTHING THAN KEVIN MCBRIDE WOULD HAVE BEATEN A 1988 VERSION OF TYSON.......IF BIG MEANS EVERYTHING THAT MEANS VALUEV WOULD BEAT LENNOX LEWIS HIMSELF........BIG DONT MEAN ANYTHING......IM NOT SAYIN LARRY HOLMES IS THE BEST HEAVYWEIGHT OF ALL TIME.....BUT FROM 1979 TO 1982......HE DEFINETLY WOULD HAVE BEATEN FLAT FOOTED LUMBERING LENNOX WITH THAT PISTON LIKE JAB....NOT LETTING LEWIS SET UP FOR THE RIGHT HAND.....:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:patsch Whats with your inability to understand SIZE is an ADVANTAGE when skill is involved ? You realize there are weight classes in boxing for a reason dont you ? :deal

[Decker]

:patsch Whats with your inability to understand SIZE is an ADVANTAGE when skill is involved ? You realize there are weight classes in boxing for a reason dont you ? :deal No, 2smart4u, when it comes to analyzing LL & K bros they don't understand. :-( Their biases won't let them understand. :yep

Vanboxingfan summed it up well.

[anut]

u guys act like larry holmes was small..........shit he was 6 foot 4.....yes he weighed less than lewis but far more gifted.......
QUESTION FOR 2 SMART........WHO WINS TYSON OF 1988 OF WLAD OF TODAY.....IF U ANSWER WLAD PLEASE LEAVE EASTSIDE.....BEATING BREWSTER MEANS NOTHING......

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Larry Holmes Vs All Of Lennox Lewiss Opponents.....he Beats Them All And Never Gets Whavked Out By Mccall N Rahman

[Decker]

Larry Holmes Vs All Of Lennox Lewiss Opponents.....he Beats Them All And Never Gets Whavked Out By Mccall N Rahman anut (btw, great name, is that you in your avatar :lol: ), you make many assumptions for a guy that lost to CWT M Spinks twice :yep I'd love to make bets with guys like you in a time machine. After a handful of mostly losing bets, you'd be ready to stop w/the size don't mean nothing rap. :p

Lewis beat Holy twice, the first fight easily (the LL-Holy I decision makes Ali-Norton III look fair). I think Holy would give Holmes a good fight. Holmes was 6'3" 215 lbs in his prime, not much bigger than Holy, and smallish vs LL. :deal

[El Bombasto]

.........I THINK THE LARRY HOLMES WHO FOUGHT FROM 1979 TO 1982 WOULD HAVE BEATEN LENNOX LEWIS VIA DECISION....LARRY HAD A MUCH BETTER CHIN ALSO....:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

This thread might mean something, if you gave a more detailed analysis than that.

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This thread might mean something, if you gave a more detailed analysis than that.
HOLMES WOULD OUTJAB LENNOX RATHER EASILY NOT LETTING LENNOX GET OFF WITH HIS OVERHAND RIGHT......TONY TUBBS GAVE LENNOX FITS IN THE GYM IN 1992 BEFORE LENNOX FOUGHT RUDDOCK,,,,,....TONY TUBBS IS NO LARRY HOLMES.....:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

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HOLMES WOULD OUTJAB LENNOX RATHER EASILY NOT LETTING LENNOX GET OFF WITH HIS OVERHAND RIGHT......TONY TUBBS GAVE LENNOX FITS IN THE GYM IN 1992 BEFORE LENNOX FOUGHT RUDDOCK,,,,,....TONY TUBBS IS NO LARRY HOLMES.....:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke.....ALSO HOLMES WAS MENTALLY STRONG UNLIKE BRUNO/MORRISON/GOLOTA....MR PANIC ATTACKS......RUDDOCK......I LIKE LENNOX HE IS DEFINETLY AN ALL TIME GREAT......BUT THE BIG NAMES HE FOUGHT WERE WELL PAST THIER PRIME.......:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

[2smart4u]

u guys act like larry holmes was small..........shit he was 6 foot 4.....yes he weighed less than lewis but far more gifted.......
QUESTION FOR 2 SMART........WHO WINS TYSON OF 1988 OF WLAD OF TODAY.....IF U ANSWER WLAD PLEASE LEAVE EASTSIDE.....BEATING BREWSTER MEANS NOTHING......:lol: the TYSON of 88 was still to small to b effective against VLAD ! watch TYSON versus BUSTER and subtract about 4 rounds ! He would be tyed up and beat up !:hi:

[2smart4u]

HOLMES WOULD OUTJAB LENNOX RATHER EASILY NOT LETTING LENNOX GET OFF WITH HIS OVERHAND RIGHT......TONY TUBBS GAVE LENNOX FITS IN THE GYM IN 1992 BEFORE LENNOX FOUGHT RUDDOCK,,,,,....TONY TUBBS IS NO LARRY HOLMES.....:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke:lol: You mean you dont think LL can box as good as SPOON or THE TRUTH or even BEY for that matter ! LL did all they did only alot better from a larger frame and alot more power ! I actually think LARRY would get demolished without much trouble ! :deal

[2smart4u]

No, 2smart4u, when it comes to analyzing LL & K bros they don't understand. :-( Their biases won't let them understand. :yep

Vanboxingfan summed it up well.:good Again YOU KNOW YOUR STUFF !:yep

[thesandman]

.....ALSO HOLMES WAS MENTALLY STRONG UNLIKE BRUNO/MORRISON/GOLOTA....MR PANIC ATTACKS......RUDDOCK......I LIKE LENNOX HE IS DEFINETLY AN ALL TIME GREAT......BUT THE BIG NAMES HE FOUGHT WERE WELL PAST THIER PRIME.......:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

If your argument comes down to purely fighting other big names in their prime, can you please name all of Larrys ATG victims that were prime??

I assume you'll be starting with Ali?

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:lol: You mean you dont think LL can box as good as SPOON or THE TRUTH or even BEY for that matter ! LL did all they did only alot better from a larger frame and alot more power ! I actually think LARRY would get demolished without much trouble ! :deal...........HEY 2 DUMB HOLMES FROM 79 TO 82 IM TALKKIN ABOUT.........AND ABOUT TYSON/WLAD.....SHIT AS IF WLAD WOULD TIE TYSON UP.....JUST LIKE WLAD TIED SANDERS UP........WLAD SUXXXXX.......TYSON WOULD HAVE CRUSIFIED HIM MY FELLOW CANADIEN FRIEND...

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If your argument comes down to purely fighting other big names in their prime, can you please name all of Larrys ATG victims that were prime??

I assume you'll be starting with Ali?:rofl :rofl :lol:

a(big)nut another Canadien? I played football (soccer) in high school but my fav team sport is pucks. Anyway you mean the prime Tyson that lost to the "great" Douglas would destroy Wlad? If he got to Wlad early, yes... else Mike would probably lose.

[Vanboxingfan]

...........HEY 2 DUMB HOLMES FROM 79 TO 82 IM TALKKIN ABOUT.........AND ABOUT TYSON/WLAD.....SHIT AS IF WLAD WOULD TIE TYSON UP.....JUST LIKE WLAD TIED SANDERS UP........WLAD SUXXXXX.......TYSON WOULD HAVE CRUSIFIED HIM MY FELLOW CANADIEN FRIEND...

If we're conversing in English it's spelled Canadian, unless of course you're French. Anyway, it's always nice to welcome another canuck even if I disagree with most of his views :lol:

[box03]

:rofl :rofl :lol:

a(big)nut another Canadien? I played football (soccer) in high school but my fav team sport is pucks. Anyway you mean the prime Tyson that lost to the "great" Douglas would destroy Wlad? If he got to Wlad early, yes... else Mike would probably lose. Mike would of had a field day with Wlad all Tyson would have to do is hit him with one left hook and Tyson would have Wlad in panic attack mode, Wlad looks like a retard when he gets hit with anything big.

[Scar]

Difficult close fight, I pick Holmes by decision.

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Mike would of had a field day with Wlad all Tyson would have to do is hit him with one left hook and Tyson would have Wlad in panic attack mode, Wlad looks like a retard when he gets hit with anything big.

I AGREE WITH WHAT U JUST SAID.........WLAD WOULD PANIC ....FREEZE...AND GET KNOCKED OUT.....HELL I WOULD PICK THE BUSTER DOUGLAS WHO BEAT TYSON TOO BEAT WLAD ACTUALLY:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

[box03]

I AGREE WITH WHAT U JUST SAID.........WLAD WOULD PANIC ....FREEZE...AND GET KNOCKED OUT.....HELL I WOULD PICK THE BUSTER DOUGLAS WHO BEAT TYSON TOO BEAT WLAD ACTUALLY:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke I just cant stand how people want to already put Wlad at ATG status, the mans never really fought anyone better than a B- type fighter, his greatest win was against slap punch Chris Bryd.

[jbrunner3]

This would've been a great fight. Holmes had the higher activity level, and would've landed more jabs. However, Lennox would've had a huge advantage with the power punches. I think Holmes' conditioning was superior to Lennox, who looked very tired in several fights. If this was 15 rounds, I'm going with Holmes due to a late surge and more energy. In a 12 round fights, I'm taking Lennox by split decision due to the more impressive punches.

[Robbi]

Holmes UD.

Better movement, more consistent jab, solid chin, and better recovery powers. Holmes was also much better than Lewis when trading punches, he was not scared to get into a fight. Lewis on the otherhand was a bit more measured and cautious. With the possible exceptions being Mercer, Holyfield II, and Klitschko.