Question about results on fights stopped between rounds

[Rumsfeld]

Inspired by Wlad-Chagaev and the confusion in scoring in my Lounge Prediction League:

Why isn't there a general rule on TKOs that end in between rounds?

I've seen some fights where it reverts to the previous round and others whereby it forwards to the next round. There seems to be no consistency on this whatsoever.

Boxrec had originally scored Wlad's win as a TKO9. Later, it switched it to TKO10. (I'm fairly certain that Fightnews made the same switch in their report, from 9th to 10th).

Now, Boxrec has inexplicably switched the result back to TKO9 again.

:lol:

[djanders]

It is rather confusing. Both fighters heard the bell that ended round 9, so, in my opinion, it should go into the books as a TKO10.

[Thread Stealer]

I think if the bell rang to start the round and they didn't answer it, then the beginning of that round counts.

For instance, Ali-Liston 1 is a TKO 8 because the bell rang and Liston didn't answer it. Ali-Frazier 3 is a TKO 14 because it was stopped between rounds, the bell didn't sound for the 15th.

I remember though that there was a fight recently that didn't follow this, so I got confused again.

[Rumsfeld]

I think if the bell rang to start the round and they didn't answer it, then the beginning of that round counts.

For instance, Ali-Liston 1 is a TKO 8 because the bell rang and Liston didn't answer it. Ali-Frazier 3 is a TKO 14 because it was stopped between rounds, the bell didn't sound for the 15th.

I remember though that there was a fight recently that didn't follow this, so I got confused again.

It's a baffling issue.

[My2Sense]

I've seen some fights where it reverts to the previous round and others whereby it forwards to the next round. There seems to be no consistency on this whatsoever.


Each commission and/or sanctioning body has its own rules on what a TKO is officially called if it ends between rounds.

Germany I believe usually calls it for the round before, in the US it's usually the upcoming round.

[Rumsfeld]

Germany I believe usually calls it for the round before, in the US it's usually the upcoming round.

So this would mean Wlad TKO9 is probably correct in your estimation?

[My2Sense]

So this would mean Wlad TKO9 is probably correct in your estimation?

Yes, and I believe that's what it was announced as at the time, correct?

The American reports probably just assumed it was a TKO 10, going by the rules they're used to.

[Rumsfeld]

Yes, and I believe that's what it was announced as at the time, correct?

The American reports probably just assumed it was a TKO 10, going by the rules they're used to.

I forget what they announced at the time. I think Buffer just said "TKO" without really specifying, although perhaps my memory betrays me.

BoxRec originally had RTD9, changed it to RTD10, and now it's back to RTD9 again.

[kenmore]

I believe the answer to Rumsfeld's question concerns the jurisdiction where the fight is held. I know that in some US states, the result goes into the recordbook as a TKO in the most recent round completed. In other states, it is recorded as a TKO in the upcoming round. I'm sure foreign countries have their own rules.

[Rumsfeld]

I believe the answer to Rumsfeld's question concerns the jurisdiction where the fight is held. I know that in some US states, the result goes into the recordbook as a TKO in the most recent round completed. In other states, it is recorded as a TKO in the upcoming round. I'm sure foreign countries have their own rules.

I did think it was probably something along those lines, and that sanctioning bodies probably also have their own rules, which further complicates matters.

It would seem so much easier if there was a general rule of thumb for such situations, but I guess nothing is simple in boxing.

:lol:

[kenmore]

It would seem so much easier if there was a general rule of thumb for such situations, but I guess nothing is simple in boxing.

:lol:

Even if there were a general rule of thumb nationally, or worldwide, for such matters, it is guarranteed that somebody somewhere would break it. That is because sanctioning bodies everywhere have a neurotic need to break with the rules, and to establish some precedent to put themselves at odds with everyone else.

[kenmore]

Graham Houston of [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) has something interesting to say about this topic. Here are his words, and you can read the rest of the article on his website:

"Note: This was clearly a TKO9 for Klitschko, although members of the betting fraternity have been debating whether it should be considered a 10th-round stoppage, the argument being that the minute’s interval between the ninth and 10th rounds had elapsed before the fight was officially stopped. For players who wagered on Klitschko winning in the ninth or 10th round specifically, these things matter. I will do a Graham Says column on this, probably to be posted on Sunday evening."

[djanders]

Boxing has always been filled with controversies. I can remember when many boxing experts considered a TKO the same as a KO, with no distinction between the two. There was good bit of arguing about it before that was changed.

Maybe a stoppage between the 9th and 10th should be considered TKO 9.5?

[AlFrancis]

Never really thought about it before, I've always assumed it would be called as a stoppage in the following round. As in didn't come out for the.......

[GazOC]

I think if the bell rang to start the round and they didn't answer it, then the beginning of that round counts.

For instance, Ali-Liston 1 is a TKO 8 because the bell rang and Liston didn't answer it. Ali-Frazier 3 is a TKO 14 because it was stopped between rounds, the bell didn't sound for the 15th.

I remember though that there was a fight recently that didn't follow this, so I got confused again.


This has always been my understanding of the rule.

[Rumsfeld]

Graham Houston of [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) has something interesting to say about this topic. Here are his words, and you can read the rest of the article on his website:

"Note: This was clearly a TKO9 for Klitschko, although members of the betting fraternity have been debating whether it should be considered a 10th-round stoppage, the argument being that the minute’s interval between the ninth and 10th rounds had elapsed before the fight was officially stopped. For players who wagered on Klitschko winning in the ninth or 10th round specifically, these things matter. I will do a Graham Says column on this, probably to be posted on Sunday evening."

Thanks, kenmore. I read the entire column, and I am sticking with TKO9 for the purposes of my prediction league.

:good

[TBooze]

I think if the bell rang to start the round and they didn't answer it, then the beginning of that round counts.

For instance, Ali-Liston 1 is a TKO 8 because the bell rang and Liston didn't answer it. Ali-Frazier 3 is a TKO 14 because it was stopped between rounds, the bell didn't sound for the 15th.

I remember though that there was a fight recently that didn't follow this, so I got confused again.

I agree with you entirely.....

But Ali/ListonI goes in the books as a TKO7, because Liston wants to go to heaven (and did not come out for the seventh); Ali's (Clay's) original prediction was indeed Liston in eight, but as Ali said, Liston quit to stop Ali looking so great!

[bxrfan]

I forget what they announced at the time. I think Buffer just said "TKO" without really specifying, although perhaps my memory betrays me.

BoxRec originally had RTD9, changed it to RTD10, and now it's back to RTD9 again.
Forgive me for saying, but what exactly does "RTD" stand for?

[booradley]

On BoxRec Pavlik/Zuniga is listed as TKO9, but Pavlik/Rubio is listed as RTD9. Both fights ended when the challenger didn't want no more at the end of 9 rounds. Odd:think

[bxrfan]

On BoxRec Pavlik/Zuniga is listed as TKO9, but Pavlik/Rubio is listed as RTD9. Both fights ended when the challenger didn't want no more at the end of 9 rounds. Odd:think
What does RTD stand for?

[TBooze]

What does RTD stand for?

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