Mercer's Last MMA Fight - I Ever Mention How I Love Mercer?

[Russell]

Mercer lost his first big MMA fight by being taken down in seconds and then being submitted against Kimbo two years ago. As is often the cause with Mercer, he came to collect a paycheck.

He actually came into this fight in shape. Mercer is nearly fifty years older. Older then Evander Holyfield. He knocked out Sylvia in 9 seconds. :lol:

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Sylvia was one of the best heavyweights in the UFC for about 6 years, the heavyweight champion on top of that. Not one of the best MMA heavyweights of all time but he has a damned solid resume and was top dog in his division.

Tim was 24-5 coming into the fight, is 6'8 and was 311 pounds on fight night.

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[Russell]

Mercer's pre-fight statement.

“Everything was against me,” said Mercer, who called out Eric “Butterbean” Esch after the emotional victory. “I whooped that ass.”

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[Russell]

29 views and no responses?

Meeeh.

[kosaros]

Mercer's pre-fight statement.

“Everything was against me,” said Mercer, who called out Eric “Butterbean” Esch after the emotional victory. “I whooped that ass.”

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

:lol:

Yeah I seen the vid before, Mercer doing great things for boxing in a different sport :good

[mr. magoo]

Not very impressed by MMA, regardless of how " rough " it's supporters claim..

shuffling in and out, lifting their knees like they're ready to pee. Doing all those fast little short-distanced elbows and pitter patter punches.... Over rated sport and over appraised toughness.......MMA fighters lack upper body skill in my opinion....

[AnthonyJ74]

Mercer lost his first big MMA fight by being taken down in seconds and then being submitted against Kimbo two years ago. As is often the cause with Mercer, he came to collect a paycheck.

He actually came into this fight in shape. Mercer is nearly fifty years older. Older then Evander Holyfield. He knocked out Sylvia in 9 seconds. :lol:

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Sylvia was one of the best heavyweights in the UFC for about 6 years, the heavyweight champion on top of that. Not one of the best MMA heavyweights of all time but he has a damned solid resume and was top dog in his division.

Tim was 24-5 coming into the fight, is 6'8 and was 311 pounds on fight night.

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In fairness to MMA, Sylvia was not one of the top dogs in the division and had not been for some time. He's lost quite a few of his last big fights. But still, it was damn impressive how Mercer flattened him! Some of the MMA guys are a little too cocky and arrogant for my taste.

[Rumsfeld]

I wish there was a better angle on the KO punch.

From the guy's body language, it appeared to be vicious. Wish we had a closer view from a better angle to see the impact.

[divac]

I hear that alot of the folks that run MMA were shocked that Mercer KO'd Sylvia in that fashion....

......I dont understand the shock. Real boxers like Mercer will always get taken down and submitted by an MMA fighter exellently versed in takedowns and the art of submission.....

Sylvia from what I've seen of him is a standup MMA fighter who likes to stay up and throw punches.
Sylvia is an MMA puncher is what I'm getting at......tailor made for a boxer turned MMA fighter like Mercer.

......so why are the MMA folks shocked that Mercer a proffesional standup boxer KTFO of Sylvia?????

You would think that a proffesional boxer even one as old as Mercer, would take out most of these MMA fighters that fight standup......fighters like Chuck Liddel even in his prime would be taken out against even a way past prime proffesional fighter the quality of Ray Mercer.

[divac]

Here's a much better angle and view of the KO punch.......

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[he grant]

I'm amazed he lost to a complete amateur like Kimbo ... wonder if the fight was in the tank ?

[barneyrub]

I wish there was a better angle on the KO punch.

From the guy's body language, it appeared to be vicious. Wish we had a closer view from a better angle to see the impact.
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[(PimpThaSystem)]

Not very impressed by MMA, regardless of how " rough " it's supporters claim..

shuffling in and out, lifting their knees like they're ready to pee. Doing all those fast little short-distanced elbows and pitter patter punches.... Over rated sport and over appraised toughness.......MMA fighters lack upper body skill in my opinion....

Talk out of your ass much?

[Minotauro]

I hear that alot of the folks that run MMA were shocked that Mercer KO'd Sylvia in that fashion....

......I dont understand the shock. Real boxers like Mercer will always get taken down and submitted by an MMA fighter exellently versed in takedowns and the art of submission.....

Sylvia from what I've seen of him is a standup MMA fighter who likes to stay up and throw punches.
Sylvia is an MMA puncher is what I'm getting at......tailor made for a boxer turned MMA fighter like Mercer.

......so why are the MMA folks shocked that Mercer a proffesional standup boxer KTFO of Sylvia?????

You would think that a proffesional boxer even one as old as Mercer, would take out most of these MMA fighters that fight standup......fighters like Chuck Liddel even in his prime would be taken out against even a way past prime proffesional fighter the quality of Ray Mercer.

The shock was more down to Tim being as dumb as he is. Even if he is a stand up fighter in mma everyone expected him to take Mercer down even Kimbo wasn't dumb enough to think he could stand with Ray. Mercer has no ground game at all and Tim has been training grappling for years mostly he uses it as defence from more skilled opponent but still has enough knowledge their to submit Mercer. However never underestimate the stupidity of Sylvia who actually believed he could handle Mercer standing.

[mr. magoo]

Talk out of your ass much?

Not really, but I can certainly make an adjustment to bring the conversation down to your level:good

[Minotauro]

Not very impressed by MMA, regardless of how " rough " it's supporters claim..

shuffling in and out, lifting their knees like they're ready to pee. Doing all those fast little short-distanced elbows and pitter patter punches.... Over rated sport and over appraised toughness.......MMA fighters lack upper body skill in my opinion....

This comment makes you seem uneducated to the sport especially how talented some of the fighters are especially the ground fighters. The lifting of the knee is a muay thai thing to defend against a possible kick. There hands are never gonna be on par with a boxers as its only part of their sport not 100%. Guys like Maia, Jacare, Sperry etc have been training in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu since they were under 10 and are multiple times world champions in their art. Same with guys like Henderson (two time Olympian) and Lindland (silver medalist) have been training wrestling since they were like 8.

The grapplers are some of the best in the world and of the very highest level the stand up guys for the most part are not. You might get some quality kickboxers like Cro Cop but most top muay thai guys stick to their own sport. In terms of "roughness" the likely hood of serious of fatal injury is less then boxing. The elbows in the clinch again are a muay thai technique although wrestlers often use them due to their superior clinch control. Just like any sport you got some very tough guys like Nog (countless number of comebacks) and Nakai (fought blind against men over 100lbs bigger then him) and some not as tough.

Either way it takes a lot to reach the top and Sylvia was merely the Valuev of mma who had gone far due to his size and in the beginning (while he was winning) poor competition and not based on his skill.

[mr. magoo]

This comment makes you seem uneducated to the sport especially how talented some of the fighters are especially the ground fighters. The lifting of the knee is a muay thai thing to defend against a possible kick. There hands are never gonna be on par with a boxers as its only part of their sport not 100%. Guys like Maia, Jacare, Sperry etc have been training in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu since they were under 10 and are multiple times world champions in their art. Same with guys like Henderson (two time Olympian) and Lindland (silver medalist) have been training wrestling since they were like 8.

The grapplers are some of the best in the world and of the very highest level the stand up guys for the most part are not. You might get some quality kickboxers like Cro Cop but most top muay thai guys stick to their own sport. In terms of "roughness" the likely hood of serious of fatal injury is less then boxing. The elbows in the clinch again are a muay thai technique although wrestlers often use them due to their superior clinch control. Just like any sport you got some very tough guys like Nog (countless number of comebacks) and Nakai (fought blind against men over 100lbs bigger then him) and some not as tough.

Either way it takes a lot to reach the top and Sylvia was merely the Valuev of mma who had gone far due to his size and in the beginning (while he was winning) poor competition and not based on his skill.

Okay, I take it back...Jeez

[Bill Butcher]

:lol:

Yeah I seen the vid before, Mercer doing great things for boxing in a different sport :good

I dont understand this mentality at all, they are 2 different sports, why do dumbass boxing/MMA fans insist on comparing the 2 ?

A lack of knowledge & sheer ignorance is the answer.

[fists of fury]

Lovely right hand, but the very thought of a 50 year old Mercer and Butterbean in the same ring (sorry, octagon) makes me cringe.

[Bill Butcher]

I hear that alot of the folks that run MMA were shocked that Mercer KO'd Sylvia in that fashion....

......I dont understand the shock. Real boxers like Mercer will always get taken down and submitted by an MMA fighter exellently versed in takedowns and the art of submission.....

Sylvia from what I've seen of him is a standup MMA fighter who likes to stay up and throw punches.
Sylvia is an MMA puncher is what I'm getting at......tailor made for a boxer turned MMA fighter like Mercer.

......so why are the MMA folks shocked that Mercer a proffesional standup boxer KTFO of Sylvia?????

You would think that a proffesional boxer even one as old as Mercer, would take out most of these MMA fighters that fight standup......fighters like Chuck Liddel even in his prime would be taken out against even a way past prime proffesional fighter the quality of Ray Mercer.

Exactly.

I wasnt at all suprised by the KO, its obvious that any pro boxer will KO even the best punchers in MMA if the MMA fighter tries to stand with him, the REAL embarassment isnt how Mercer KOd Silvia, its how the boxing fans that dont like MMA are celebrating this like they`ve just won the lottery :verysad... THATS the embarassment, it shows how worried & insecure these guys are about their own sport IMO.

Both sports take a lot of skill & hard work if you want to be the best & neither could be dominant in the others field for any period of time... only a dumb bastard doesnt know this.


Botswana :smoke

[divac]

Exactly.

I wasnt at all suprised by the KO, its obvious that any pro boxer will KO even the best punchers in MMA if the MMA fighter tries to stand with him, the REAL embarassment isnt how Mercer KOd Silvia, its how the boxing fans that dont like MMA are celebrating this like they`ve just won the lottery :verysad... THATS the embarassment, it shows how worried & insecure these guys are about their own sport IMO.

Both sports take a lot of skill & hard work if you want to be the best & neither could be dominant in the others field for any period of time... only a dumb bastard doesnt know this.


Botswana :smoke

Yep......

.....an MMA fighter would'nt crack the top 50 in his division as a boxer......in fact, they'd likely get brutalized by the average journeyman boxer.....

.....and vice versa a boxer fighting MMA!


I'm not so much an MMA fan, but I will tune in more out of curiousity, I just like boxing so much more.....
....in any regards, its plain to see that boxers are just that, boxers......on the average, in a street fight a quality fighter is not going to beat a quality MMA fighter.

Out in the real world, a boxer would be obliterated by an MMA standout, its just that simple......I dont know why fans fickle about which sport is better or truer......to each his own, I happen to love the science of two men in a boxing ring trying to out do the other with their fist!

[JIm Broughton]

Not so sure about the "real world" scenario mentioned above. A pair of fast hard hands is a valuable tool in the street, especially against a couple of opponents. While you're submitting one guy on the ground his buddy is taking a shank to your back or a bat to your head. Better to flatten one of them fast and give the other guy a second to think it over to change his mind. In the street there are no rules. Anything goes.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Anyone in MMA who chooses to stand and exchange with Mercer is just asking for a loss. If you've got the ground game, take him down. If not, avoid him.

[Arka]

For a boxer there is always a puncher's chance against a grappler,especially if he is cocky and stupid enough to stand up and trade.

I remember Mercer losing twice in K1. The quality of some of these fighters really impressed me. To my mind,only boxing's elite punchers would be able to make a serious dents in that sport.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

For a boxer there is always a puncher's chance against a grappler,especially if he is cocky and stupid enough to stand up and trade.

I remember Mercer losing twice in K1. The quality of some of these fighters really impressed me. To my mind,only boxing's elite punchers would be able to make a serious dents in that sport.

Obviously it all comes down to whether the striker (the 'former boxer' or upright fighter) can land enough prior to being taken down. That issue can be decided quickly, as the ground guy doesn't want to stand toe-to-toe any longer than he has to, and when he makes his move, if the puncher can't hurt him reasonably significantly, it's going to end in tears on the ground.

For mine boxing is a much better spectacle than all of the following:

1/ Kick boxing:
Messy by comparison and not as well regulated a sport (everyone seems to be a former 7 time world champion - mind you boxing is getting nearly as bad). Kicking people in the legs repeatly just isn't that flash to watch.

2/ Mua Thai:
Messier again than kickboxing. Clinches can take too long to resolve and generally make for stop-start action. On the positive side the elbow & knee KO's can be spectacular. Plus it has a rich history in it's homeland.

3/ MMA:
Often hard to see the action, particularly when it goes to ground. Can reach stalemates, again particularly on the ground. Unlikely to ever achieve mainstream acceptance in many parts of the world due to the preceived extreme violence. On the positive side the early MMA bouts resolved a lot of the 'which style is better' arguments between karate, boxing, kung fu, wrestling etc. Nowadays most seem to be hybrid fighters, but the 'striker' vs 'ground fighter' contrast still makes for an interesting match-up occassionally.

[Bill Butcher]

Not so sure about the "real world" scenario mentioned above. A pair of fast hard hands is a valuable tool in the street, especially against a couple of opponents. While you're submitting one guy on the ground his buddy is taking a shank to your back or a bat to your head. Better to flatten one of them fast and give the other guy a second to think it over to change his mind. In the street there are no rules. Anything goes.

I think he meant in a square go, a 1 on 1 anything goes street fight... the MMA guy will generally do better than a boxer.

[barneyrub]

Yep......

.....an MMA fighter would'nt crack the top 50 in his division as a boxer......in fact, they'd likely get brutalized by the average journeyman boxer.....

.....and vice versa a boxer fighting MMA!


I'm not so much an MMA fan, but I will tune in more out of curiousity, I just like boxing so much more.....
....in any regards, its plain to see that boxers are just that, boxers......on the average, in a street fight a quality fighter is not going to beat a quality MMA fighter.

Out in the real world, a boxer would be obliterated by an MMA standout, its just that simple......I dont know why fans fickle about which sport is better or truer......to each his own, I happen to love the science of two men in a boxing ring trying to out do the other with their fist!
And in a real situation K-1 style doesnt strictly work either, you just need to grab the kicking leg and dump them on their ass, breaking their hip!

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[Stonehands89]

Not very impressed by MMA, regardless of how " rough " it's supporters claim..

shuffling in and out, lifting their knees like they're ready to pee. Doing all those fast little short-distanced elbows and pitter patter punches.... Over rated sport and over appraised toughness.......MMA fighters lack upper body skill in my opinion....
MMA. I don't care to see a man get kneed in the face. It's more about aggression than science, as skilled as its practitioners might be.

MMA is promoted towards boxing fans with Attention Deficit Disorder.

--magoo, I'm with you on this one.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

[quote=barneyrub;4337283]And in a real situation K-1 style doesnt strictly work either, you just need to grab the kicking leg and dump them on their ass, breaking their hip!

...Mercer getting pissed off about getting kicked...

That's a great defence against a kicker....the old rag-doll submission...love it!

[Russell]

And in a real situation K-1 style doesnt strictly work either, you just need to grab the kicking leg and dump them on their ass, breaking their hip!

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:lol::lol::lol:

[Blacc Jesus]

Not so sure about the "real world" scenario mentioned above. A pair of fast hard hands is a valuable tool in the street, especially against a couple of opponents. While you're submitting one guy on the ground his buddy is taking a shank to your back or a bat to your head. Better to flatten one of them fast and give the other guy a second to think it over to change his mind. In the street there are no rules. Anything goes.
smart man.^

[thebrodstar]

Not very impressed by MMA, regardless of how " rough " it's supporters claim..

shuffling in and out, lifting their knees like they're ready to pee. Doing all those fast little short-distanced elbows and pitter patter punches.... Over rated sport and over appraised toughness.......MMA fighters lack upper body skill in my opinion....

thats because half the sport involves Kick Boxing. They can't fight like FMJ, or Bhop. that style just wouldn't work. Mercer landed a huge shot on a has been.

A lot of boxers depend on the ref breaking up the fight once it gets into the clinch and that just doesn't happen in MMA.

Mercer loses by murder in his next fight, you heard it here first.

[thebrodstar]

Yep......

.....an MMA fighter would'nt crack the top 50 in his division as a boxer......in fact, they'd likely get brutalized by the average journeyman boxer.....

.....and vice versa a boxer fighting MMA!


I'm not so much an MMA fan, but I will tune in more out of curiousity, I just like boxing so much more.....
....in any regards, its plain to see that boxers are just that, boxers......on the average, in a street fight a quality fighter is not going to beat a quality MMA fighter.

Out in the real world, a boxer would be obliterated by an MMA standout, its just that simple......I dont know why fans fickle about which sport is better or truer......to each his own, I happen to love the science of two men in a boxing ring trying to out do the other with their fist!

Marcus Davis is doing pretty well in MMA, and he was a prob boxers for years. But he had a hard go for a while and learned the ground game quite effectively.

[Goose]

ray mercer needs money, whats why he is taking these fights, he said that he took it on a two day notice
hahaha

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[Kid Dynamite]

What happened to Mercer? Is he ill or something?
His eyes are almost entirely closed - he looks like a chinese guy.