Fight in the US,why?!?!?

[English Nutter]

I have noticed a few people on here(all yanks)say that non-american fighters need to fight in the US to gain respect from you lot.Why is this? And why isn't it the other way round,your bhop's,winky's,taylor's all have respect over here yet have hardly(if any)fought outside America.
Are you lot just blind to anything non-yank or just plain jealous.
IMO just jealous cos Hatton's come over here an fought and look how much respect he's got!!!:think

[ThePlugInBabies]

America is a hugh country a New Yorker fighting in Vegas is hardly the same thing as Joke Calfaggi fighting in the cardiff ice rink LOL

no different from calzaghe fighting in manchester, incase you don't know the welsh and english don't really get on.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Because Americans need every possible advantage in every sport. We generally give it to them because if we didn't they'd stomp their feet and cry. And we know how embarrassing that can be. :good

[He Hate Me]

This thread belongs in the garbage.

[My dinner with Conteh]

I think it's great what Calzaghe does (ok, it'd be nice if he fought around Europe more often). I'm sure he really gives a fuck that neither Brad nor Todd from Keokuk, Iowa know who he is. :yep

[McGrain]

IMO just jealous cos Hatton's come over here an fought and look how much respect he's got!!!:think


The biggest fights tend to happen where the biggest money is USA. Fighters who ONLY fight in the UK, not matter how good they are (Calzaghe) tend to bump up against WBO level competition.

Nice avatar, is that Lucy Pinder? She looks great there.

[lillarry]

Las Vegas= Mecca of Boxing

Hatton and Lennox Lewis understand the prestige of fighting in
Vegas. I have the upmost respect for Hatton for knowing that for you to solidify your legacy in boxing, Vegas is the place to do it. For some reason the guy from Wales did not get that memo:huh

[grayggr]

I agree you do not have to fight in the US to prove yourself.

However, the money and recent boxing history has mostly taken place in Vegas/NYC etc. In order to secure TV money and the big fights it usually has to be done in the States.

There is an argument to say Hatton and Calzaghe do not need to fight in the States as they can sell out huge arenas here and generate huge receipts here. However as the above poster noted, to many boxers it is the pinnacle of their career to fight in Vegas, and for eg, to someone like Hatton this is a big draw.

I do think HAtton will have a couple more fights back here in Blighty though, and sell out 40,000+ stadia. Who knows 80,000+ at Wembley if he can pull the true underdog story and beat Mayweather in Vegas first.

[McGrain]

For the record, Winky Wright has fought something like fifteen or sixteen times in Europe, and a couple more times in places like Argentina and whatnot.


Very true, there's a great tradition of great fighters "touring" Europe (Robinson came over here to fight) once they hit the title and fighters who are having trouble getting good pay days coming to Europe/elsewhere to fight. That was the case with Winky if i'm not mistaken?

[grayggr]

For the record, Winky Wright has fought something like fifteen or sixteen times in Europe, and a couple more times in places like Argentina and whatnot.

That being said, you don't have to fight in America, you just have to fight Americans. Or Mexicans, if you're in a low enough weight class. Mostly because we're not sure your domestic-level guys aren't all horrible bums.

But if you're just punching out guys from the UK, we don't give a shit about you, because the UK never has more than one or two good fighters at any one time anyway.

Without generally wanting to stoke the UK v US argument (which is tiresome), to be fair countries like the UK, Mexico, Phillipines, Cuba etc have a good ratio of boxers to population when compared to the US I would imagine.

[Boro chris]

It can often make financial success to fight in the US.
It's also possibly easier to make big fights happen if you have american exposure.
Having said that there is sometimes a knee jerk reaction if a champ dosen't fight in the US against fighters known over there then he's automatically a protected fighter. Who you fight is far more important than where.

[ThePlugInBabies]

But if you're just punching out guys from the UK, we don't give a shit about you, because the UK never has more than one or two good fighters at any one time anyway.

:roll:

calzaghe
hatton
haye
woods
witter
arthur
maccarinelli

[McGrain]

:roll:

calzaghe
hatton
haye
woods
witter
arthur
maccarinelli

I'm not entirely convinced that Arthur and Maccarinelli belong on that list, and we're about to find out about Haye, but okay.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Whats the point from a spectacle pointo view of fightin abroad in front of 10000 silent fans when you can do 50000 at home who create an atmosphere!


Yeah, bet he was really jealous of Lloyd Honeyghan. Winning one of the upsets of the decade- in the afternoon where punters were at tables eating meals. Damn, Joe's missing out there. :yep

[McGrain]

Whats the point from a spectacle pointo view of fightin abroad in front of 10000 silent fans when you can do 50000 at home who create an atmosphere!

Look at Mayweather not only did he not agree to fight on 'equal ground', he wanted the fight in his hometown too! Would Floyd go to Manchester?


Money and legacy.

By the way, Hatton won't be on enemy territory when he takes on Mayweather. The British fans will be noiser and more supportive no matter where the fight is, you know?

[lillarry]

Whats the point from a spectacle pointo view of fightin abroad in front of 10000 silent fans when you can do 50000 at home who create an atmosphere!

Look at Mayweather not only did he not agree to fight on 'equal ground', he wanted the fight in his hometown too! Would Floyd go to Manchester?

Mayweather will not have a hometown advantage. Did you see his fight with Delahoya? Many fighters make their home in Vegas.

[ThePlugInBabies]

I'm not entirely convinced that Arthur and Maccarinelli belong on that list, and we're about to find out about Haye, but okay.

they are still two decent fighters who can improve and challenge for the straps, haye is at an extremely exciting point in his career, the boy is extremely gifted and has learnt from past mistakes. i was just pointing out we have more than just one/two good fighters, and then a bunch of eurotrash.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Money and legacy.

By the way, Hatton won't be on enemy territory when he takes on Mayweather. The British fans will be noiser and more supportive no matter where the fight is, you know?


Legacy? Many critics here regard Calzaghe as one of our best ever. Not fighting in US has done him no harm at all. I do actually prefer it when our fighters do travel to US but if they don't give a toss themselves...

[My dinner with Conteh]

Hatton won't be on enemy territory when he takes on Mayweather. The British fans will be noiser and more supportive no matter where the fight is, you know?


Yeah, that's true. If the roles were reversed a total of about three Yanks would make the trip to support Floyd. :lol:

[McGrain]

Legacy? Many critics here regard Calzaghe as one of our best ever. Not fighting in US has done him no harm at all. I do actually prefer it when our fighters do travel to US but if they don't give a toss themselves...

Yeah, I regard him that way too. But there's a long list of top fighters (p4p guys) that Cal missed out on by staying home. If he'd have done a Hatton he could have got Hopkins, Jones, Wright, Tarver...probably he'd have beaten them too, he'd have been there or there abouts.

This is a bit flipant, but imagine a situation where Calzaghe has people who actively chase fights with the best whatever the cirumstances. If he'd have got Jones the night Tarver did he'd have won that one and been writing his own cheques ever since, not to mention rated as p4p #1 or #2.

Of course, he could have lost to Jones, Hopkins, Tarver, Johnon, Woods (these last two could have happened at home of course) and been retired, but we'll never know now and that seems a shame.

[McGrain]

Yeah, that's true. If the roles were reversed a total of about three Yanks would make the trip to support Floyd. :lol:

It would be more than that upward of thirty - all members of Mayweather's entourage.

[McGrain]

they are still two decent fighters who can improve and challenge for the straps, haye is at an extremely exciting point in his career, the boy is extremely gifted and has learnt from past mistakes. i was just pointing out we have more than just one/two good fighters, and then a bunch of eurotrash.

Yeah.

[English Nutter]

America is a hugh country a New Yorker fighting in Vegas is hardly the same thing as Joke Calfaggi fighting in the cardiff ice rink LOLHmmmm:think ,that's why Kessler-Calzaghe is set to break records for an attendence at a boxing match.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Or how about Hopkins, Tarver, Jones wernt all stay at home bunnies themselves!


I don't blame Hopkins. He tried it once and was put on his hoop twice. :yep

[nervousxtian]

Has done no harm to him? Bullshit.

You fuckers were talking shit about Joe before the Lacy fight, he wins one fight and now he's your national treasure, how soon you forget.

If Joe came to the states, and won he'd have the power to bring people back to his home country, but he has chosen not too.

It's why he never got the really big fights, he wasn't willing to budge, when you're not the bigger name, you have to travel, he never has, it's hurt his reputation.

It's why he was WBO for so long. WBO. Not even a legit belt.

[Korn_06]

Well most logic goes toward since the best money is in the US the - if the eurobums were good enough then you would box in the US. This is of course to some extent true. But another fact is the easies fight to get a fight in the US for a Euro is if you are not really considered a threat. Because if you are a real threat then the big american names will not fight you because of the fighter is still not known in the US and therefore will not get enough credit for the win and too high risk. This again means that the money for the Euro fighter will not be better probably worse in than what he can get for a fight in Europe.

Often when a euro fighter comes to the US it is in an atemt to make a comeback and often after they have been in their primes.

Just to mention last year danish fighter Thomas Damgaard fought Gatti, this was like a one shot for Damgaard he had already retired and it was 5 years after his prime. In his Prime no way he could get a fight in the US that would pay nearly what he could make in Europe.

[Boro chris]

Also a Euro fighter has to be marketable to make it worthwhile fighting in the states. Can't exactly imagine HBO clamouring to offer Junior Witter a juicy contract.

[marting]

Let's be honest here. The British fans are amongst the most rabidly vocal, adoring to their heroes, and hostile to their enemies. Calzaghe fighting in front of his fans in Cardiff is no where near the same as Mayweather fighting in front of a crowd in New York or Vegas.

Mayweather and Hopkins don't enjoy anything near the zealous worship that the British fans heap on their stars. US fans don't exhibit anything near the unanimity that the British fans do. Mayweather even seems to go out of his way to incite hatred within his own borders, relishing in playing the villian.

PPV also plays a far more bigger role in US boxing. I think part of the profile of the US boxing fan is an almost anti-social makeup. They'd rather stay home in the comfy confines of their sports cave with their 50 inch LCD and surround sound than deal with live attendance.

If you get into the financial aspect of why a fighter from across the pond benefits from fighting in the US it gets very easy to make an argument for fighting stateside. The foreign fans rabidity will make many travel for a vacation in Vegas and those that don't only add to the huge PPV mix so the live gate argument is bogus.

And I will add that I have tremendous respect for Hatton's willingness to fight abroad. He earned my respect and I believe he greatly enhanced his legacy.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Let's be honest here. The British fans are amongst the most rabidly vocal, adoring to their heroes, and hostile to their enemies. Calzaghe fighting in front of his fans in Cardiff is no where near the same as Mayweather fighting in front of a crowd in New York or Vegas.

Mayweather and Hopkins don't enjoy anything near the zealous worship that the British fans heap on their stars. US fans don't exhibit anything near the unanimity that the British fans do. Mayweather even seems to go out of his way to incite hatred within his own borders, relishing in playing the villian.

PPV also plays a far more bigger role in US boxing. I think part of the profile of the US boxing fan is an almost anti-social makeup. They'd rather stay home in the comfy confines of their sports cave with their 50 inch LCD and surround sound than deal with live attendance.

If you get into the financial aspect of why a fighter from across the pond benefits from fighting in the US it gets very easy to make an argument for fighting stateside. The foreign fans rabidity will make many travel for a vacation in Vegas and those that don't only add to the huge PPV mix so the live gate argument is bogus.

And I will add that have tremendous respect for Hatton's willingness to fight abroad. He earned my respect and I believe he greatly enhanced his legacy.


Good post.

[ThePlugInBabies]

Who was talking shit about Joe? I knew Lacy was gonba get a whooping hence my thread back then ''Calzaghe willl annihilate Lacy''

was this before or after you started backing lacy after he claimed he was part english? :huh

[McGrain]

was this before or after you started backing lacy after he claimed he was part english? :huh


:lol:

[marting]

according to americans.

Not all of them. You can't summarize US people. We're collectively bipolar. I'd even say schizophrenic exhibiting mulitple personalities.

I say put a fight on in Tampa and fuck New York. We put more people in the seats to see Robin Reid than Vegas will put in to see Tyson in his heyday.

[lillarry]

according to americans.

Trust me if you ask Hatton or any other English fighter with a sense of history, they will tell you that Las Vegas is the place where you secure your legacy.

[English Nutter]

Has done no harm to him? Bullshit.

You fuckers were talking shit about Joe before the Lacy fight, he wins one fight and now he's your national treasure, how soon you forget.

If Joe came to the states, and won he'd have the power to bring people back to his home country, but he has chosen not too.

It's why he never got the really big fights, he wasn't willing to budge, when you're not the bigger name, you have to travel, he never has, it's hurt his reputation.

It's why he was WBO for so long. WBO. Not even a legit belt.no,he beats lacy and suddenly he's hated by you lot,he was always a legend over here.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Carlos Monzon has no legacy?


:lol: :good


Jose Napoles has no legacy?

[marting]

Carlos Monzon has no legacy?

Vegas wasn't as big a player in his day. And Monzon fought all over Europe. Plus he fought in New York.

[English Nutter]

Bear in mind that America isn't one monolithic entity. When people say so-and-so should fight in America, what they really mean is either Las Vegas or New York City.

Fighting in Vegas or NYC will get you respect. But in between those two cities is a million square miles of country where the fights don't count for shit. Fighting on the American "midwestern circuit" is basically code for fighting nothing but the worst bums. like Ricky Hatton yeh:thumbsup

[My dinner with Conteh]

Vegas wasn't as big a player in his day. And Monzon fought all over Europe. Plus he fought in New York.


Once. It didn't affect or enhance his legacy really.

[My dinner with Conteh]

but the same people tend to forget, that calzaghe has had his fair share of americans fighting in his backyard.


He's the champ and can pull in the crowds. I doubt the likes of Omar Sheika or Byron Mitchell have the same clout in their country.

[Guru_Too_You]

Hmmmm:think ,that's why Kessler-Calzaghe is set to break records for an attendence at a boxing match.

It won't break the record of JCC when he fought that one bout in Mexico. It was in Azteca Stadium against Greg Haughen and had 132,247 spectators.

No way this one even comes close to that.

And for all you fools across the pond who think its about territory, its not. Its about the level of competition. If you stay in your home country and feast on bums for your entire career, you'll never get any respect a la Sven Ottke.

Its all about your level of competition.

[lillarry]

the best mexican fighters, puerto rican, pinoys, polish, AND YES EVEN THE BEST BRITS GO STATE SIDE..

does this mean, that europe (germany or britain) cant stage big fights.. certainly not..

but realistically, the us simply has and always will, be ahead when it comes to staging big fights.. its simply a matter of some inferior complex people have, and cant handle the fact, that the best in the world squares of in the states.

this debate is created by some brit, whos crying about, that british fighters arent getting enough credit. the same old story..

he cant handle the fact, that his fighter is being called protected. often the case with joe calzaghe, but the same people tend to forget, that calzaghe has had his fair share of americans fighting in his backyard.

good post:good

[Guru_Too_You]

They fought in the Azteca football stadium which was a standing stadium, not seated!, hence more people can be jammed in!

Whats your point? It will not break the attendance record.

[marting]

Once. It didn't affect or enhance his legacy really.

Hey that's my boy Tony Licata you're dissing their. I used to eat in his family's restaraunt in Tampa all the time. LOL.

But the home-cooking label can't be totally rolled out for Monzon. He was from South America. He traveled to Denmark, France, Monaco and Italy and yeah New York once.

[Guru_Too_You]

I never said it would, whats the biggest attendence record in the USA?

Hatton v Mayweather in Manchester would have sold 20x what it will in the US.

Opinion.

Fact: Chavez-Whitaker did 60,000 in San Antonio, Texas, USA.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Re: Cementing legacies. Remember Jeff Fenech? Poor soul, finally went to Las Vegas, was totally ripped off vs Nelson and was never the same again. :-(

[Guru_Too_You]

Hey that's my boy Tony Licata you're dissing their. I used to eat in his family's restaraunt in Tampa all the time. LOL.

But the home-cooking label can't be totally rolled out for Monzon. He was from South America. He traveled to Denmark, France, Monaco and Italy and yeah New York once.

He also fought everyone and avoided no one. Thats why people do/should come to the U.S.

It generally guarantees that you can get the highest quality opposition. There are a few exceptions, but in this whole thread I have seen two so far.

FIGURE IT OUT.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Hey that's my boy Tony Licata you're dissing their. I used to eat in his family's restaraunt in Tampa all the time. LOL.

But the home-cooking label can't be totally rolled out for Monzon. He was from South America. He traveled to Denmark, France, Monaco and Italy and yeah New York once.


I know, i wasn't referring to 'homeboys' just one that didn't need to fight in the US to be regarded as one of the greats.


Sorry about Tony. ;)

[marting]

I never said it would, whats the biggest attendence record in the USA?

Hatton v Mayweather in Manchester would have sold 20x what it will in the US.

I believe they've had over a 100,000 several times. At Yankee Stadium? Robinson? And Tex Richert staged some monster events.

TV changed all of that. TV's intrusion has even hit Mexico to some degree.

[Guru_Too_You]

Re: Cementing legacies. Remember Jeff Fenech? Poor soul, finally went to Las Vegas, was totally ripped off vs Nelson and was never the same again. :-(
Was he ripped off the second time around too?

[My dinner with Conteh]

Was he ripped off the second time around too?


Of course not. He wasn't in Vegas. :good

[McGrain]

The point we come back to is why would Joe Calzaghe care if Ralph and Randy in Idaho dont know of him? Makes no differece he lives in the valleys not in some redneck town! Will it effect his 'legacy'? Americans version maybe, Britains version? No! And since he lives here not over thier, what will it matter.


Of course you are right.

But, as I've already said, there are big big fights that couldn't be made in the United Kindom and could have been made after a protracted period in the US. Like Hatton has done - now he gets to fight the p4p #1 for millions.

[Guru_Too_You]

The point we come back to is why would Joe Calzaghe care if Ralph and Randy in Idaho dont know of him? Makes no differece he lives in the valleys not in some redneck town! Will it effect his 'legacy'? Americans version maybe, Britains version? No! And since he lives here not over thier, what will it matter.
It won't matter if he keeps on taking on the best that SMW or even LHW have to offer. This bout with Kessler will be huge for his legacy. Again, its not the territory that the bout takes place, its the level of competition, given that both fighters are given a fair shot by the referees and judges.

Think Hatton-Tszyu. Mickey Vann actually took a lot of Ricky's credit away from him. Think Sven Ottke, nobody gives a shit about him on the worldwide scale because the corruption was easy to see. Both fighters need a fair shake, wherever the bout takes place.

And worldwide INDOOR attendance record is Ali-Spinks I, I think. When it took place at the superdome in Louisiana. I know the location for sure, just not sure the bout. 63,000.

[Guru_Too_You]

Of course not. He wasn't in Vegas. :good

LOL funny.

It has nothing to do with getting stopped though? Just Vegas.

Good stuff though. Good stuff.

[marting]

The point we come back to is why would Joe Calzaghe care if Ralph and Randy in Idaho dont know of him? Makes no differece he lives in the valleys not in some redneck town! Will it effect his 'legacy'? Americans version maybe, Britains version? No! And since he lives here not over thier, what will it matter.

And I return to the home-cooking label. I applaud your fan's one-sidedness and think the edge you give your fighters admirable and the intimidation you inflict on opponents near scary but it's still an edge that cuts two ways when it comes to a fighter's legacy.

Have you even stepped foot in the U.S.? Your view is near grade school in it's depth. This country is nearly an amalgm of 50 distinct countries.

[marting]

Yeah but then we make the case of Americans not fighting outside of home comfort. At least Lacy has the bollox too do it! From a personal opinion I would rather see him fight Kessler than Jones or Hopkins anyway.

Calzaghe's record is littered with Americans who ventured into his pit.

[Guru_Too_You]

And I return to the home-cooking label. I applaud your fan's one-sidedness and think the edge you give your fighters admirable and the intimidation you inflict on opponents near scary but it's still an edge that cuts two ways when it comes to a fighter's legacy.

Have you even stepped foot in the U.S.? Your view is near grade school in it's depth. This country is nearly an amalgm of 50 distinct countries.

Great point. And in regards to Mayweather-Hatton, not too many people here "love" Floyd like your ENTIRE country "loves" Ricky Hatton. Its just not the same. Floyd didnt even sell out an arena in his hometown after becoming a three weight champion.

[aliwasthegreatest]

Is Mayweather protected? Hes never fought outside the comfort of his own country?

fighting in different states is alot like fighting in a different country.

[Guru_Too_You]

The WBO is the greatest belt around, the WBC isnt allowed to be fought over outside the US! Its a US belt for US fighters or US-based fighters. Has been since the mafia owned in 60 + years ago, go read some history on it. The reason the WBO is hated in the US is because it goes round the world rather than the US version of world which starts in New York and Finishes in Cali

Or it could be that they rank the SHITTIEST fighters out of the 4 sanctioning bodies.

[My dinner with Conteh]

At least Brad and Todd from Keokuk Iowa have the sense to keep the IBF TITLE and feed the WBO strap to the hogs:deal


Or maybe pick up the IBO instead. That'd be handy. :lol:

[ThePlugInBabies]

And worldwide INDOOR attendance record is Ali-Spinks I, I think. When it took place at the superdome in Louisiana. I know the location for sure, just not sure the bout. 63,000.

yeah i think thats about right. it be the indoor record they are aiming to break for calzaghe-kessler.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Or it could be that they rank the SHITTIEST fighters out of the 4 sanctioning bodies.


It is. Damn sight better than the IBO though.

[McGrain]

Yeah but then we make the case of Americans not fighting outside of home comfort. At least Lacy has the bollox too do it! From a personal opinion I would rather see him fight Kessler than Jones or Hopkins anyway.

NOW.

But imagine that Calzaghe had got the Jones that just beat Ruiz?

That would have been an absolute monster of a fight and Calzaghe could have won it. But that fight could only happen in America, and only for Calzaghe's third or fourth fight in America.

[Guru_Too_You]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :rofl :rofl :rofl :nut :nut :patsch :patsch :patsch

Only a shitish fight fan would say something that silly..

I bet if Floyd held that CONTENDER'S BELT for 10 years you'd tear his ass out for it..

The TRUTH IS..the WBO is NOT legit..they let their shitty Champs pick and choose who they fight...NUFF SAID

The WBO is for up and coming fighters..it's not for welsh cowards pushing 40:lol:

2 Defenses against #1 contenders is pretty weak. Not gonna lie.

[ThePlugInBabies]

Callizzhaggi couldn't beat Jones' spit bucket..get real..

He has done NOTHING to make me believe he wouldn't get his head torn off..

prime jones beats calzaghe.

post ruiz jones gets battered by calzaghe.

[Guru_Too_You]

Is this the same Jones who refused to fight Collins, Benn, Eubank, Watson, Mcclellan (who beat him in the amatuers)?

Eubank said no.

Benn said no.

McClellan-Benn was supposed to see who Jones would fight next, McClellan lost, Benn refused.

[ThePlugInBabies]

Joe couldn't batter Roy Sr much less Jr..

You guys and this Callizzhaggi bullshit are HILARIOUS..

fucking hell, have you actually seen post ruiz jones?

he's nothing like the fighter he used to be, prime jones is as close to unbeatable as you'll ever see, and would probably score a late stoppage over calzaghe, but the post ruiz version with massively declining physical attributes would get mashed by calzaghe. he'd get beaten by all top rated middleweights.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Your blind love for that brazen coward is more pathetic..


It's more of an anti-American thing than a pro-Calzaghe thing.

[ThePlugInBabies]

I've seen the post Ruiz Jones and I saw Joey laying on Bika like they were lovers..He looked 50 in that fight...and I won't mention the Manfredo debacle..

Joe can't "mash" a box of girl-scout cookies..stop pretending he's Hagler or some fuckin body

One big fight does not a great fighter make..:deal

where the fuck did i claim him to be great? where do i hint to comparisons with hagler? you are a blind and deluded fool.

[My dinner with Conteh]

once again p4p rankings according to whom?



Ralph and Randy from Idaho. :good

[ThePlugInBabies]

once again p4p rankings according to whom?

boxing4real?

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[ThePlugInBabies]

they basically laugh off anyone who isn't 'gangsta'. they get about 95% if their predictions wrong, and as far as i know, nobody enjoys their show.

[Carlos Primera]

they basically laugh off anyone who isn't 'gangsta'. they get about 95% if their predictions wrong, and as far as i know, nobody enjoys their show.
you get a good laugh from watching all the wrong predictions they call, and their blind love for zab judah though.

[C Money]

So much BULLSHIt in this thread, i need a firehose for cleanup:yep
All those simply hating the US for the sake of it.....:finger
Those hating NON-US for the sake of it.....:finger 2

Nothing wrong with having major fights in any location.

Glad to see Calzaghe vs Kessler over there, and if Hatton beats Floyd??
There's little doubt in my mind we'll see a big defense or two IN THE UK.

Quit fucking :| about stupid shit and keep hoping that the best fights get made regardless of location:hi:

Oh and boxing4 real idiots are hardly representative of the states. They are just a couple morons, enjoying the right to be what they are. Hardly anything that can be used CREDIBLy in debate.

[kg0208]

Guru, wrong, Eubank said no, because jones was a nobody, when Jones became a somebody (established himself) Eubank persued a fight with him, Jones refused.

Collins went to Pensecola and called out Jones and he still refused!

Wrong. Eubanks said no to Jones because he said he knew he couldn't beat him. Jones was NEVER a nobody having had a big spotlight on his head because of the olympic robbery. Eubank has said a number of times that he never fought Jones because he fought to win and Jones would have beaten him.

Collins made a big spectacle of talking a whole lot so people like you would think he was doing something. But when HBO and Jones put an offer on the table, he refused. Same with Benn.

Don't bring up McClellan. Everyone knows the deal there.

You clearly know very little about the US. It isn't the same as the UK and fighting here is not like fighting in your home town. As has been said a 1000 times, if you are from Florida and fight a fight in New Jersey, they don't care that you are American....you are not from Jersey and thats all they know.

You can try and point out exceptions to the rules all you like, but the fact is that most of the great fighters fight in the US (and NO they are not all Americans) and because of that the competition here is higher. Therefore, fighters who won't fight here miss alot of that competition. It has nothing to do with Ethnicity, nationality or anything like that and everything to do with comp.

[kg0208]

And who said this BS about Americans need every advantage in every sport we can get otherwise we cry about it? Can you give me an example please?

BTW....it's called the World Series because the MLB fields the best teams overall. And they are not just American players. It is full of the best players from all over the world (except Cuba). Many of the best baseball players reside elsewhere....but they play for MLB teams in the US. That's why they call it the World Series. You will be hard pressed to find another league team from another country who could win a seven game series against the MLB best teams.

[kg0208]

So what your saying is nobody would fight Jones because he was too good (Eubank autobiography tells me different), but the same has happend to Joe Calzaghe but no, hes british hes a bum he wont fight anyone its not because people are scared tO fight him people like Hopkins who said yeds then backtracked etc etc.

According to Eubank he didnt fight Jones coming up because he was 'a nobody'.

When Eubank got to the end of his career, he wnt looking for Jones, called him out etc etc Jones said something along the lines of ''he wouldnt give me the chance coming up, im mot giving him the chance going down''
Then Eubank needs to stop contradicting himself now doesn't he. And I have already established that Jones was never a nobody. He has said a number of times he couldn't beat Jones and would have come out worse for wear in that fight. Eubank is entertaining and a bit nutty.

I have said nothing about Calzaghe, I am talking about your argument as a whole. I have never called Calzaghe a bum. And Calzaghe isn't Jones.

And yes, Jones DID say that about Eubank. Good for him because what goes around comes around. The same is happening to Jones now. Fact is, HBO more than confirmed what Jones said about Collins and Benn turning down offers.

[kg0208]

Thats funny that HBO say that because Collins went all the way to Pensecola to call out Jones after a fight. So do we know the terms what was it a 90-10 split in favour of Jones? Have you got the offers? no? To this day Steve still claims Roy avoided him (by gthe way I think Roy would have beat Collins).

Yes, he called him out. Did he offer a contract? Do YOU have proof of Jones turning down Collins? Questions go BOTH ways.

[Loufatski]

I have noticed a few people on here(all yanks)say that non-american fighters need to fight in the US to gain respect from you lot.Why is this? And why isn't it the other way round,your bhop's,winky's,taylor's all have respect over here yet have hardly(if any)fought outside America.
Are you lot just blind to anything non-yank or just plain jealous.
IMO just jealous cos Hatton's come over here an fought and look how much respect he's got!!!:think

Mainly for money, which equals power and fame. It's all about the money.

[kg0208]

So instead of fighting any of these guys (collins,benn, Eubank, watson, etc etc) Jones was fighting at this period in time Hopkins (no problem here), Garcia, Chirino, Thornton and Pazineza! If it was the Eubank fighting these guys he would be a ''protected Eurobum''

You skipped right over Toney and Griffin didn't you. And Malinga who BEAT Benn. Honestly, if you're going to be biased, don't be so blatant.

[David UK]

Hopkins ducked Calzaghe a couple of years ago. Fact. Looks like he prefers life on the US Seniors Tour

[lillarry]

Hopkins ducked Calzaghe a couple of years ago. Fact. Looks like he prefers life on the US Seniors Tour

do you have proof of this?

[Lance_Uppercut]

If anyone really has to ask "Why fight in the United States", they clearly do NOT or have not watched much boxing, aside from their 'home grown' hero.

[thesandman]

What a stupid thread start to finish.

Fighters are pros. they should fight where they make the most money - end of story. If that's the US, great. If not, then tough shit.

If you stay in your home country and feast on bums for your entire career, you'll never get any respect a la Sven Ottke.

Unless you're American of course. Then you become the world P4P #1 right?

Or Roy Jones post super-middleweight career. But that was OK too was it?


You clearly know very little about the US. It isn't the same as the UK and fighting here is not like fighting in your home town. As has been said a 1000 times, if you are from Florida and fight a fight in New Jersey, they don't care that you are American....you are not from Jersey and thats all they know.

So you mean to tell me that Holy doesn't get support all over the US?
That Tyson only got support in his home town?
That if Roy Jones left his home state, nobody knew who he was?

I don't believe that for a second.

And if you're talking regional fights - if a Londoner fights a Mancunian in London - of course the London crowd want the Londoner to win. No difference really.

[Saltzy]

Legacy? Many critics here regard Calzaghe as one of our best ever. Not fighting in US has done him no harm at all. I do actually prefer it when our fighters do travel to US but if they don't give a toss themselves...

One of the best EVER!!!??? WHO THE HELL HAS HE BEATEN? Seriously!? Jeff Lacy with 22 fights? Old ass Eubank? Please :patsch Hes good, but until he can actually get good fighters on his record he's just like Brian Nielsen, fighting bums his whole career to get a pretty record.

[kg0208]

What a stupid thread start to finish.

Fighters are pros. they should fight where they make the most money - end of story. If that's the US, great. If not, then tough shit.



Unless you're American of course. Then you become the world P4P #1 right?

Or Roy Jones post super-middleweight career. But that was OK too was it?




So you mean to tell me that Holy doesn't get support all over the US?
That Tyson only got support in his home town?
That if Roy Jones left his home state, nobody knew who he was?

I don't believe that for a second.

And if you're talking regional fights - if a Londoner fights a Mancunian in London - of course the London crowd want the Londoner to win. No difference really.
Yes that is what I am telling you. Believe it or don't. No skin off my back. I live here. I know how it works here.

[Dekkers]

Who you fight will always be more important than where you fight, if you can get the same big fights outside the states and win, there should be no real impact on a fighters legacy from a purists perpective.

It's just a case of people not knowing what they haven't seen, and requiring people to show film, etc, to educate them about a 'less popular' fighter. The money is generaly better in Vegas, that's all. Not necessarily true at all times though, some fighters are just more marketable outside the U.S, and it's not worth the effort to get good purses in the states.

[English Nutter]

do you have proof of this?it's common knowledge mush.
they agreed the fight only for popkins to double his demands because of the risk.