Lewis vs other great HW Champs

[elgoadie]

Please write your result prediction for how the following fights would end, all fighters in their prime - all fights are 12 rounds:

Lewis vs Ali
Lewis vs Louis
Lewis vs Marciano
Lewis vs Holmes
Lewis vs Tyson
Lewis vs Foreman
Lewis vs Frazier
Lewis vs Dempsey
Lewis vs Johnson
Lewis vs Liston
Lewis vs Holyfield
Lewis vs Tunney
Lewis vs W. Klitschko
Lewis vs V. Klitschko
Lewis vs Bowe

My predictions:

Lewis vs Ali - Ali UD
Lewis vs Louis - Lewis TKO/KO late rounds
Lewis vs Marciano - Lewis TKO/KO mid-rounds
Lewis vs Holmes - Holmes UD
Lewis vs Tyson - Lewis TKO/KO late rounds
Lewis vs Foreman - Lewis UD
Lewis vs Frazier - Lewis TKO/KO early
Lewis vs Dempsey - Lewis TKO/KO mid rounds
Lewis vs Johnson - I don't know enough of Johnson to make judgment
Lewis vs Liston - Lewis UD
Lewis vs Holyfield - Lewis UD
Lewis vs Tunney - I don't know enough of Tunney to make judgment
Lewis vs W. Klitschko - Lewis TKO/KO mid rounds
Lewis vs V. Klitschko - Lewis TKO/KO
Lewis vs Bowe - Lewis TKO/KO late rounds or UD

[Addie]

Lewis vs Ali
Lewis vs Louis
Lewis vs Marciano
Lewis vs Holmes
Lewis vs Tyson
Lewis vs Foreman
Lewis vs Frazier
Lewis vs Dempsey
Lewis vs Johnson
Lewis vs Liston
Lewis vs Holyfield
Lewis vs Tunney
Lewis vs W. Klitschko
Lewis vs V. Klitschko
Lewis vs Bowe

[Holmes' Jab]

Lewis vs Ali: Ali UD.
Lewis vs Louis: Louis UD (close).
Lewis vs Marciano: Lewis TKO5.
Lewis vs Holmes: Holmes UD (close).
Lewis vs Tyson: Lewis TKO12.
Lewis vs Foreman: Lewis TKO9.
Lewis vs Frazier: Lewis TKO4.
Lewis vs Dempsey: Lewis KO3.
Lewis vs Johnson: Lewis UD.
Lewis vs Liston: Liston UD (close).
Lewis vs Holyfield: Lewis UD.
Lewis vs Tunney: Lewis TKO11.
Lewis vs W. Klitschko: Lewis TKO7.
Lewis vs V. Klitschko: Lewis TKO5.
Lewis vs Bowe: Lewis TKO9.

[ripcity]

As long as Lewis's chin holds up he will win.

[teeto]

Lewis vs Ali
Lewis vs Louis
Lewis vs Marciano
Lewis vs Holmes
Lewis vs Tyson
Lewis vs Foreman
Lewis vs Frazier
Lewis vs Dempsey
Lewis vs Johnson
Lewis vs Liston
Lewis vs Holyfield
Lewis vs Tunney
Lewis vs W. Klitschko
Lewis vs V. Klitschko
Lewis vs Bowe
I think that's reasonable, and cases can be made for all your picks wether everyone outright agrees or not. I do think Lewis might beat Foreman though personally.

[Flea Man]

Lewis vs Ali -ALI PTS
Lewis vs Louis -LEWIS K.O within five
Lewis vs Marciano Lewis K.O within five
Lewis vs Holmes-Holmes PTS
Lewis vs Tyson -Tyson K.O within ten
Lewis vs Foreman -Lewis PTS close fight to tcall
Lewis vs Frazier Lewis K.O within ten.
Lewis vs Dempsey Lewis K.O within five
Lewis vs Johnson Lewis K.O within five
Lewis vs Liston Liston K.O late
Lewis vs Holyfield Lewis PTS
Lewis vs Tunney Lewis K.O within three
Lewis vs W. Klitschko lewis K.O within three
Lewis vs V. Klitschko Lewis stoppage within ten
Lewis vs Bowe lewis PTS

[Holmes' Jab]

Lewis vs Louis -LEWIS K.O within five



I'd like to hear your reasoning here.

[janitor]

[quote=elgoadie;4346436]Please write your result prediction for how the following fights would end, all fighters in their prime - all fights are 12 rounds:


When you are matching a guy like Lewis against opposition of this calibre there will always be uncertainty surrounding the outcome. I would not put money down on any of these fights and if I did I would be worried come fight night. Therfore I will focus on what I think is important more than what I expect to happen.

In support of Lewis there really is no established formula for beating him apart from getting in a lucky shot.

Smaller fighters fail because of his physical advantages in terms of height and reach. Fighters who match him in these respects get taken apart in a slugfest by his combination of speed and ring samarts, even if they are more durable than him.

Simply put he is too big for anybody smaller than him and too fast and cute for anybody bigger than him.

Lewis vs Ali

ali has an undoubted edge in speed here which is likley to be the deciding factor. On the other hand he has never faced anybody with the height and reach of Lewis and verry few with similar ring smarts. Lewis will have to follow Ali around and it is hard to say how he would adapt to chasing an oponent on the front foot like this. He also hits as hard as Foreman and is much better technicaly.

My hunch is that Ali's speed alows him to outland Lewis and rack up a points lead. He will go through some bad moments and likley visit the canvas at some point. If Lewis gets him on the ropes he will be in a bad situation.

Lewis's best chance to win is a smart fight plan. If he can come up with a Nortonesque strategy to exploit some of Ali's technical flaws he has a serious chance.

Lewis vs Louis

Louis absolutely feasted on larger fighters who tried to stand back at long range like Lewis and was the perfect foil for them. By giving him room to set up his combinations and implement his fight plan they were usualy digging their own grave. He would look to use his spped to counter Lewis, and would use a low crouch and armadilo like defence to aproach him exploding into life when he was within range. Make no mistake about it however big you are you are in serious sh1t if Louis gets in close enough to land his combinations at close range. Once he is too close for you to see them coming you are going to get the worst of it quickly.

Those are my reasons for picking Louis. Lewis's best chance to win would be to keep moving around the ring and make Louis follow him. If he can do this he can prevent Louis from launching his lethal close range assult.


Lewis vs Marciano


Lewis proved in the Tua fight that he was well adapted to fighting oponents of Marciano's style and Marciano never did face a world class oponent the size of Lewis, (though such examples as we do haveof him fighting oponents of such size dont particularly suggest that he struggled with that style).

I think that Marciano would be a lot more agresive than Tua and would do more to force the fight coming in low and attacking the body. I doubt that Lewis would get his respect with the jab. By a few rounds in Lewis would know that he was in a fight.

The question here is what gives first. Perhaps Marciano's skin gives leading to a TKO or TD (not unlikley). Perhaps Marciano ultimately takes too much punishment coming forward resulting in a KO or TKO. Perhaps Marciano is able to persist with his attack and wear Lewis down in the latter rounds.

I dont really know quite how this would go but I tend to think that the twelve round distance combined with modern rules tip the odds in favour of Lewis.


Lewis vs Holmes


I have gone back and forward on this one a fair bit.

In Holmes Lewis would be up against a fighter with boxing skills and ring smarts and speed superior to his own which would take away a large slice of his usual gameplan. On the flip side of the coin he would enjoy a substantial advantage in power over his oponent which might make what he landed more telling than what Larry landed even if the paper exchange favoured Holmes.

I think that after initialy being outboxed Lewis would resort to a more agresive fight plan (as he generaly did in that scenario). I suspect that this would force Larry on to the retreat and disrupt his gameplan. We might see Holmes survive to take close or even clear decision but I suspect that once Lennox starts roughing things up he is probably not quite ellusive enough and ultimately a bit too prone to the right hand.

I will put myself out on a limb a bit and say that Lewis stops Holmes late.


Lewis vs Tyson


We can inferr from the Smith, Tucker, and Douglas fights that Lewis would always have given Tyson some stylistic problems. His jab and movment could have put Tyson on the offensive but it is also likley that he could have neutralised much of Tysons offense by holding. These factors combine to make a rapit resolution of this fight unlikley.

Prime Tyson was almost impossible to hit cleanly with a jab at range due to his excelent head movment and he was fast on his feet. This makes me doubt that Lewis could keep him at range or control him at range. Once Tyson gets in close even Lewis will not be able to aford go go all out and slug with him.

Call me crazy but I think it is highly likley that this fight goes to the score cards. I think it would be exciting in parts but largley follow a pattern of Lewis trying to box Tyson at range and neutralise him in close. Neither fighter would play the others game. Of course it is possible that Tyson catches Lewis and stops him or that Lewis wears Tyson down late but I suspect it wont happen. Unlike with the Tucker fight I could see the decision being close and perhaps even going to Tyson.

Sombody SD.

Lewis vs Foreman

I think that this is a fight where Foreman would need a stoppage in the first nine rounds to win. I am not saying he couldnt do it but Lewis would likley choose to box cautiously for the early rounds on the grounds that he would want Foreman to fight the way he didnt want to fight. I also think that while Foreman was pressing the action he would be verry vulnerable to Lewis's counters and we could see him visiting the canvas a few times.

Although Lewis's chin has been questioned he has taken some punches that would shake the walls of a city and come back from them. Simply put Foreman cannot depend on Lewis's chin to bail him out here because it didnt bail out David Tua.

Foremans best chance is to cut the ring down on Lewis and force him into a slugfest. If he is succesfull then it will be a Foreman Lyle type afair which he is not guaranteed to get the better of. Lewis's best chance ist box defensively and counter in the first half of the fight hoping to wear Foreman down. If Foreman does start to show signs of fatigue than Lewis will not waste time in lowering the final curtain.

Probably Lewis by late TKO.

Lewis vs Frazier

It might be tempting to think that this would be a rehash of the Lewis Tua fight, the Frazier Foreman fight or even the hypothetical Lewis Marciano fight that I have discussed previously. I think that all of the above positions are misguided.

I don't think that Frazier landed shots with the telling nature of a Tua or Marciano. Whether or not he was of comparable power he was not iceing guys like they were. He was also faster and more furious in terms of his asult than either of them and for my money busier with his headwork.

I think that Frazier is leeast likley of all the great swarmer to stop Lewis and exppect a long fight. I also think that he has by far the best shot of all of them at outpointing him. Yes I am serious. I think Frazier would disrupt Lewis's jabbing style more than Tua and Marciano and possibly outwork him in a lot of rounds. While I think a late Lewis stoppage is certainly possible I can see Frazier throwing Lewis off his gameplan enough to last the distance and possibly even win on the score cards.

I give Lewis the nod because of the twelve round stipulation and only because of it.



TO BE CONTINUED IN ANOTHER POST....................................

[kmcc505]

Joe Louis would whoop LL.

[janitor]

Lewis vs Dempsey

The temptation here would be to assume that this fight would unfold a bit like Lewis Tyson (prime for prime) but I think that there are enough key differences between the styles of Dempsey and Tyson to create a verry different fight.

While Dempsey had many similarities to Tyson he did a lot more work on the inside and was harder to tie up in the clinches. While he was not as fast and explosive as Tyson on the attack he only needed a few inches room to be dangerous and it would be verry difficult for a Tucker style heavyweight to spoil their way to a decision.

It should be added that while Dempsey was a come forward attacking fighter he would often circle a larger oponent looking for an opening and feinting to set one up. While McCall and Ramhan got their chance prety muck by luck Dempsey would be looking to create his chance and if Lewis gave it to him he would be in trouble.

In all I would expect a much shorter and more explosive battle than with Lewis Tyson. Dempsey would throw Lewis off his game and would not allow him to fight to survive. He would have the tools to force Lewis into a more agresive confrontation. On the flip side of the coin I think that Dempseys chin was not on a parr with Tysons and that it tends to get over-rated due to his ability to fight while hurt. This would also stack the deck in favour of a shorter fight if Lewis gained the upper hand.

In short I pick Dempsey to win by mid round TKO but think that he would be vulnerable to getting caught coming in by a Lewis right hand which might put him on queer street. Either way it will be a shorter fight than Lewis Tyson.


Lewis vs Johnson


This would probably be the most boring fight of all those listed. There is not enough footage of Johnson to mkake a detailed pick of how he would fare againt Lewis or vice versa.

Johnsons style was minimalistic based on avoiding punishment with the smallest movments and the lwest energy expenditure. It is fair to observe that he had considerable success with his style against larger and taller fighters including some mobile ones with good jabs like Denver Ed Martin (at least based on contemporary acounts). He could also turn tiger on larger oponents and knock them out with a sly uppercut if he chose to do so.

I am confident that Lewis never faced anything remotley like Johnson stylisticaly so it is impossible to say how he would have fared.

The bottom line is I don't know who would win.


Lewis vs Liston


This would be one of the most dangerous matches for Lewis of those listed here.

Liston not only had an incredible 84'' reach but he was also only 6' 1'' tall. This meant that against taller oponents who liked to fight at range he could reach them but he could also duck under their punches while they could only go backwards against his. Liston knew how to deal with taller oponents and he didnt care if he had to take a few flush bombs to the chin to do it. He was also a superb ring general able to anticipat his oponents next move and often having the shot set up before they moved.

Lewis would need all of his ring smarts and inteligence to cope with Liston and his best chance probably lies in his handspeed combined with his mobility. While Lewis might be able to marshal the right fight plan to pull this off I am going to fall on the side of Liston.


Lewis vs Holyfield


You have seen the fights that actualy took place and I dont think I can tell you anything about the dynamic that you don't know.


Lewis vs Tunney


Horrible stylistic matchup for Tunney.

Tunney would be the proverbial slickster trying to outbox the proverbial superheavyweight. Small slicksters struggle against fighters like Lewis precisely because they are giving up the one variable that they cannot aford to give up e.g. range. If you make up for your deficit in offensive capability by trying to defeat your oponent on the outside you cannot aford to have to come into his offensive range before you can even reach him.

Tunney would deploy his ring inteligence, boxing ability and mobility but it would ultimately be to no avail.


Lewis vs W. Klitschko


Lewis would probably go through Klitschko prety brutaly.

Klitschko has a good jab and is a good fighter at range but he lacks a deluxe inside offensive arsenal like Lewis has and dosn't even seem to make use of the uppercut. Against Lewis this would be suicide. Ke would find himself unable to keep Lewis at range, forced to trade with him, and it would soon be over.

Lewis by early KO.

Lewis vs V. Klitschko

I think that if Lewis had been at his peak the fight would have gone prety much as it did anyway. Wlads style would always have been awkward for Lewis in the early rounds but Lewis would always have taken control.

Surprisingly similar I suspect.


Lewis vs Bowe


Lewis was always wrong for Bowe.

I suspect he would have finished what Golotta started.

[mightyd40]

Lewis vs Ali ud
Lewis vs Louis ko late
Lewis vs Marciano dominate decision or late ko
Lewis vs Holmes ud
Lewis vs Tyson ko round 8 :p
Lewis vs Foreman late ko
Lewis vs Frazier ko early
Lewis vs Dempsey ko mid rounds
Lewis vs Johnson ud
Lewis vs Liston ko
Lewis vs Holyfield ud
Lewis vs Tunney ud
Lewis vs W. Klitschko ko
Lewis vs V. Klitschko ko
Lewis vs Bowe ud

[ChrisPontius]

The temptation here would be to assume that this fight would unfold a bit like Lewis Tyson (prime for prime) but I think that there are enough key differences between the styles of Dempsey and Tyson to create a verry different fight.

While Dempsey had many similarities to Tyson he did a lot more work on the inside and was harder to tie up in the clinches. While he was not as fast and explosive as Tyson on the attack he only needed a few inches room to be dangerous and it would be verry difficult for a Tucker style heavyweight to spoil their way to a decision.

It should be added that while Dempsey was a come forward attacking fighter he would often circle a larger oponent looking for an opening and feinting to set one up. While McCall and Ramhan got their chance prety muck by luck Dempsey would be looking to create his chance and if Lewis gave it to him he would be in trouble.

In all I would expect a much shorter and more explosive battle than with Lewis Tyson. Dempsey would throw Lewis off his game and would not allow him to fight to survive. He would have the tools to force Lewis into a more agresive confrontation. On the flip side of the coin I think that Dempseys chin was not on a parr with Tysons and that it tends to get over-rated due to his ability to fight while hurt. This would also stack the deck in favour of a shorter fight if Lewis gained the upper hand.

In short I pick Dempsey to win by mid round TKO but think that he would be vulnerable to getting caught coming in by a Lewis right hand which might put him on queer street. Either way it will be a shorter fight than Lewis Tyson.


What odds would you give for Dempsey to win by his magic KO-when-opponent-clinches punch?

[janitor]

What odds would you give for Dempsey to win by his magic KO-when-opponent-clinches punch?

Prety low.

It tended to be a wear you down type of punch unless you got careless on the inside.

[ironchamp]

Lewis vs Ali - Ali UD 12 (close fight)
Lewis vs Louis - Lewis KO8
Lewis vs Marciano - Lewis TKO 3
Lewis vs Holmes - Holmes UD12 (close fight)
Lewis vs Tyson - Tyson KO6
Lewis vs Foreman - Lewis TKO5
Lewis vs Frazier - Lewis TKO4
Lewis vs Dempsey - Lewis KO3
Lewis vs Johnson - Lewis UD12
Lewis vs Liston - Lewis KO7
Lewis vs Holyfield - Lewis UD12
Lewis vs Tunney - Lewis KO2
Lewis vs W. Klitschko - Lewis KO5
Lewis vs V. Klitschko - Lewis TKO7
Lewis vs Bowe - Lewis UD12 (although if they fought in 1993 I would give the edge to Bowe)

Lewis would end up 12-3 9KOs.
Not bad...

[prime]

Thanks for the insightful posts, Janitor. You have gone into the ring with Lewis and the greats and offered an informed analysis. Each in his style, the men came alive as I read through.

[mr. magoo]

Thanks for the insightful posts, Janitor. You have gone into the ring with Lewis and the greats and offered an informed analysis. Each in his style, the men came alive as I read through.

Nice Avatar,

Anyway, I think Lewis can be a potential problem for any and every all time great. No, I do not necessarily think that he beats ALL of them ALL the time, but he certainly has the ability to. Even with the Rahaman and McCall defeats looming over his head, he would still be a force to be reckoned with no matter who he fought.

[Quick Cash]

Janitor gave balanced and insightful predictions. While I may differ slightly in opinion, I do account for the high level at which these fights are fought and agree with Janitor on the difficulty involved in making an exact forecast.

Lewis vs Ali

I absolutely concur with Janitor's position on this. I think Ali's movement will put Lennox on the front foot. He would then try to outbox him and be completely successful, if not for the moments Lewis goes to disrupt his rhythm with that pole-like jab. The key for the bigger fellow is to jab with Ali as I think that jabbing, or throwing single straight punches, while Ali is on the move will produce little success.

In clinches, Lewis would have the upperhand, but Ali's own strength would at the very least ensure that activity is kept at a minimum. Saying this, Lewis has a chance to maybe hurt him with the odd uppercut or hook.

After 12 or 15 rounds, Muhammad would most likely have a unanimous decision in his favor, but it will be close and very awkward for him.

Lewis vs Louis

Again I see Lewis on the attack. It's not necessarily a bad strategy. He is afterall the bigger and stronger individual, and this time around he is faced with person who is not particularly known as a mover.

I think it is inevitable that Lewis rocks Joe at some point, but what Louis was good at was fighting back, countering while his opponent threw punches. He's fought bigger men before, and though he's never dealt with a man of Lewis' size and skill, it was not exactly the style to trouble him (unless you want to make a comparison with Schmeling which interestingly enough might be valid).

Can Louis win a slugfest against this giant? I believe so. He will be much belabored by fight's end, but I think he will emerge the victor.

For my prediction, I have Joe knocking Lewis out in the eighth stanza, but I'll add that it is not at all unreasonable for Lennox to win the fight.

Lewis vs Marciano

Honestly, the Brit has too much tools for the Rock. I would install Lewis as a very heavy favorite, and if the referee doesn't stop the fight due to cuts, Lewis knocks him out outright.

However, if McCall and Rahman was able to famously catch lightning in a bottle against Lewis, I guess it is not beyond the realm of possibility for Rocky to do the same supposing that Lennox comes in ill-prepared and fights lazily.

Lewis vs Holmes

I've argued for either one in the past, but more often than not I side with the Lion. Holmes could box Lewis' ears off sure, but Lennox has shown numbing power with his right hand, and it is this that I think of when picking him; not the type of force that will knock Larry down mind- he's too durable for that- but the type to make him stop, take punches, and then maybe fight more recklessly after. When I picture Lewis winning, this always springs first to mind.

The Lion rallies hard to eke out a split decision if the fight is over 12. Over 15, it's too close to call and this time Larry might be the one to rally to a win, though he's up against a tougher man than Norton so he'd be hard-pressed to pull it off.

[GPater11093]

brillaint anaylisises Janitor i pretty much agree

[MrPook]

Lewis vs Ali before suspension - Ali UD
Lewis vs Ali after suspension - Lewis UD
Lewis vs Louis - Lewis KO 9
Lewis vs Marciano - Lewis TKO 7
Lewis vs Holmes - Holmes KO 8 ( slugfest )
Lewis vs Tyson - Lewis TKO 10
Lewis vs Foreman - Lewis KO 6
Lewis vs Frazier - Lewis TKO 6
Lewis vs Demsey - Lewis KO 3
Lewis vs Liston - Lewis UD
Lewis vs Holyfield - Lewis UD
Lewis vs Tuney - Lewis KO 2
Lewis vs W. Klitschko - Lewis KO 6
Lewis vs V. Klitschko - Lewis Stopped on cuts 8
Lewis vs Bowe - Lewis UD

[Minotauro]

I would favour Ali, Liston, Louis and Holmes over Lennox and believe he would beat all the others.

[Locke]

So Lewis TKOs/KOs just about any ATG HW...wow. In his fights agianst good boxers with good chins Lewis always went the whole 12 rounds:Tua, HolyfieldX2, Mercer, Mavrovic. Due to his size and skills he will win a UD against most of them and even knock most of the small HW of the bygone eras but with his questionable chin everything is possible.

[Bummy Davis]

Lewis vs Ali ...Ali UD 15
Lewis vs Louis .....Louis by KO 10
Lewis vs Marciano ....Marciano by a 11th rd KO after being down in the 2nd
Lewis vs Holmes....Lewis Ko Holmes in 7
Lewis vs Tyson ....Lewis KO Tyson in 7 or Tyson Ko Lewis in 5
Lewis vs Foreman ...Louis By SD
Lewis vs Frazier .....SD win for Lewis, Frazier gets off the floor 2 times early to rally
Lewis vs Dempsey This is a shootout....could go either way because of Power
Lewis vs Johnson.....Lewis by UD
Lewis vs Liston...Lewis by SD...carefull fight with a dangerous Liston
Lewis vs Holyfield ...Lewis UD
Lewis vs Tunney...Tunney footspeed gives Lennox a workout Lewis UD 15
Lewis vs W. Klitschko...I favor Lewis but Vlad has a rocket of a right hand
Lewis vs V. Klitschko....Prime vs Prime...Lewis more fluid Vitali better Jaw
Lewis vs Bowe....Lewis RSC in 8

[mr. magoo]

in 5
Lewis vs Foreman ...Louis By SD


Is Joe Louis refereeing the fight and taking the win as well?

[ChrisPontius]

Lewis vs Holmes - Holmes KO 8 ( slugfest )

I can see Holmes winning, but if it goes to a slugfest, i'd back the guy with more power and strength. Holmes is more durable, but despite that, i think he lacks the firepower to hang in there in a slugfest. He's a smart boxer though, i think he'd try to stick and move.

[Vanboxingfan]

I can see Holmes winning, but if it goes to a slugfest, i'd back the guy with more power and strength. Holmes is more durable, but despite that, i think he lacks the firepower to hang in there in a slugfest. He's a smart boxer though, i think he'd try to stick and move.

Me too. In fact, as you said, I think he losses a slugfest, he'd be trying to avoid that scenario like the plague.

[Bummy Davis]

Is Joe Louis refereeing the fight and taking the win as well?


Got my LOUIS/Lewis's Mixed up

[kmcc505]

Lewis vs Ali - Ali decision
Lewis vs Louis - Louis KO 8
Lewis vs Marciano - Lewis close decision
Lewis vs Holmes - Holmes close decision
Lewis vs Tyson - Tyson KO 3
Lewis vs Foreman - Lewis decision
Lewis vs Frazier - Lewis KO 5
Lewis vs Dempsey - Lewis decision
Lewis vs Johnson - Lewis decision
Lewis vs Liston - Liston decision
Lewis vs Holyfield - Holyfield decision
Lewis vs Tunney - Lewis KO 6
Lewis vs W. Klitschko - Lewis split decision
Lewis vs V. Klitschko - Vitali KO 11
Lewis vs Bowe - Lewis KO 9

[Vanboxingfan]

I'm too lazy to lay it all out. but I see Lewis possibly lossing to Ali & Holmes, and I think he would have a 50-50% chance against Tyson and Liston.

And even though I rate Louis ahead of Ali on the ATG list, I don't think he has the size to beat Lewis.

Wildcard upsets would include Foreman, Dempey and Louis and WK.

But make no mistake, Lewis had the tools to potentially beat them all.

[Vanboxingfan]

Lewis vs Ali - Ali decision
Lewis vs Louis - Louis KO 8
Lewis vs Marciano - Lewis close decision
Lewis vs Holmes - Holmes close decision
Lewis vs Tyson - Tyson KO 3
Lewis vs Foreman - Lewis decision
Lewis vs Frazier - Lewis KO 5
Lewis vs Dempsey - Lewis decision
Lewis vs Johnson - Lewis decision
Lewis vs Liston - Liston decision
Lewis vs Holyfield - Holyfield decision
Lewis vs Tunney - Lewis KO 6
Lewis vs W. Klitschko - Lewis split decision
Lewis vs V. Klitschko - Vitali KO 11
Lewis vs Bowe - Lewis KO 9


You actually think a prime Lewis would loose to Vitali ?

One has to assume you don't like the guy for some reason.

[kmcc505]

Fair assumption, but I though Vitali was on his way to doing it when he was young and Lewis was old. I think Prime versions are similar and Vitali gets the job done.

[Muchmoore]

Ali UD. Muhammad's jab is the difference

Louis vs Lewis- KO 12. Tough one to pick though, Joe had the better stamina and that makes the difference

Lewis vs Marciano- Lewis late stoppage or UD. Marciano will take it if Lewis gets sloppy.

Lewis vs Holmes-Holmes UD, Lewis has a chance if he lands the right but chances are he couldn't finish off Holmes

Lewis vs Tyson-Tyson KO 6. Lewis wouldn't be able to keep him off imo.

Lewis vs Foreman-Lewis KO 6. Lewis is a bad matchup for George, a big strong fighter who throws hard shots straight down the pipe.

Lewis vs Frazier-Lewis by stoppage. Frazier's a little too small and Lewis had a nice uppercut on the inside which would disrupt Frazier.

Lewis vs Dempsey- Lewis UD but Dempsey has a good shot early.

Lewis vs Johnson- Lewis UD, but it could get interesting.

Lewis vs Liston-Liston UD. Liston had the better jab and Lewis would be facing a man with skills as good or better than his own.

Lewis vs Holyfield-Pretty even fight, but I'm gonna give it to Lewis by close UD.

Lewis vs Tunney- Lewis UD.

Lewis vs W. Klitschko.-Lewis KO 2. Wlad doesn't have the

Lewis vs V. Klitschko- Lewis KO 6. he probably would of eventually finished him in their actual encounter, a prime Lewis would win easier.

Lewis vs Bowe-Lewis KO 8. There's a reason Bowe avoided Lennox like the plague.

[Chris Warren]

Lewis best wins came against a washed up Tyson and a washed up Holyfield. Lewis had a shitty chin and struggle against most true 200 plus pound heavyweights. Of course that means Rocky Marciano and Dempsey would be destroyed. If Rahman could knock out Lewis then Foreman would do so easier, A fighter like Ron Lyle would even knock him out. Ali would out box him. So would Holmes. Frazier is no smaller than Tua. Frazier is far more busy. Frazier would wear him down and knock him out.

[rm36]

Lewis vs Ali
Lewis vs Louis
Lewis vs Marciano
Lewis vs Holmes
Lewis vs Tyson
Lewis vs Foreman ??????? :think
Lewis vs Frazier
Lewis vs Dempsey
Lewis vs Johnson
Lewis vs Liston
Lewis vs Holyfield
Lewis vs Tunney
Lewis vs W. Klitschko
Lewis vs V. Klitschko
Lewis vs Bowe

[Seamus]

Please write your result prediction for how the following fights would end, all fighters in their prime - all fights are 12 rounds:

Lewis vs Ali LEWIS UD 12 ALI
Lewis vs Louis LEWIS KO8 LOUIS
Lewis vs Marciano LEWIS KO6 MARCIANO
Lewis vs Holmes LEWIS UD HOLMES (what a cop out)
Lewis vs Tyson LEWIS KO11 TYSON
Lewis vs Foreman LEWIS KO 9 FOREMAN
Lewis vs Frazier LEWIS KO3 FRAZIER
Lewis vs Dempsey LEWIS KO7 DEMPSEy
Lewis vs Johnson LEWIS KO2 JOHNSON (does not come out for round2)
Lewis vs Liston LEWIS SD LISTON
Lewis vs Holyfield LEWIS UD HOLYFIELD
Lewis vs Tunney LEWIS KO7 TUNNEY
Lewis vs W. Klitschko LEWIS KO8 WK
Lewis vs V. Klitschko LEWIS KO9 VK
Lewis vs Bowe LEWIS KO11 Bowe


The truth hurts.

[janitor]

The truth hurts.

Com on now.

Is that really what you believe?

Lewis beats all those guys?

[guilalah]

Twelve Rounds. Each fighter as they were in their prime.

Lewis vs Ali
I'd favor Ali about 5-3.

Lewis vs Louis
Toss-up. I'd favor Louis 3-2 in a 'come along at the same time'-scenario.

Lewis vs Marciano
I'd favor Lewis, but much less if he were coming along in Marciano's day.

Lewis vs Holmes
I'd favor Holmes, but not by much.

Lewis vs Tyson
Toss up.

Lewis vs Foreman
Toss up.

Lewis vs Frazier
I'd favor Lewis 2-1, but more like 4-3 if Lewis came along in Frazier's day.

Lewis vs Dempsey
I'd favor Lewis, but would lightly favor Dempsey if Lewis came along in Dempsey's day.

Lewis vs Johnson
I'd favor Lewis, but only lightly if he came along in Johnson's day.

Lewis vs Liston
Toss-up; would lightly favor Liston if Lewis came along in Liston's day.

Lewis vs Holyfield
Lewis wins the first fight; rematches are a toss-up (if Holyfield's still fairly prime).

Lewis vs Tunney
Lewis; Tunney 5-3 underdog if Lewis comes along in Tunney's day.

Lewis vs W. Klitschko
Lewis, Wlad has puncher's chance.

Lewis vs V. Klitschko
Lewis, but Vitali has a chance.

Lewis vs Bowe
Lewis, but close odds.

Lewis vs Sullivan
Lewis, but Sullivan would probably win if they came along at the same time.

Lewis vs Jeffries
Lewis 5-3; closer odds if Lewis time-machines back into Jeffries day for a long distance fight; toss-up if Jeffries comes along in Lewis's day; Jeffries 5-3 favorite if Lewis comes along in Jeffries day.

[BUDW]

Lewis vs Ali- ALI -TKO
Lewis vs Louis-LOUIS BY KO
Lewis vs Marciano-ROCKY BY KO
Lewis vs Holmes-HOLMES UD
Lewis vs Tyson-LEWIS BY KO
Lewis vs Foreman-FOREMAN BY KO
Lewis vs Frazier-FRAZIER SD
Lewis vs Dempsey-DEMPSEY BY KO
Lewis vs Johnson-JOHNSON UD
Lewis vs Liston-LISTON BY KO
Lewis vs Holyfield-LEWIS SD
Lewis vs Tunney-TUNNEY UD
Lewis vs W. Klitschko-Klitschko UD
Lewis vs V. Klitschko-LEWIS TKO
Lewis vs Bowe-LEWIS UD

[he grant]

Opinions

Ali wins by decision
Louis wins by TKO
Marciano loses by TKO
Holmes wins by decision
Tyson wins by KO
Foreman gets knocked out in six
Frazier (?)
Dempsey gets knocked out
Johnson wins by decision
Liston wins by KO
Holyfield wins by decision
Tunney loses
W. Klit loses by KO
V. Klit loses by TKO
Bowe loses by TKO

[PetethePrince]

I guess I'm in the minority in favoring a prime Foreman against Lewis. I'm talking a prime Foreman that wasn't so in awe of his power that he set up his punches with his jabs and got done to work. Ali arguably ruined his psyche and he completely changed his gameplan afterwards for the next 3 years prior to retiring. I think Foreman finds a way to catch Lewis.

I don't think it's fair for calling the fights in a 12 round match. Basically all the ATG heavyweights were 15 round fighters that had reasons to be lighter and quicker and smaller. Maybe that's not fair for Lewis seeing as he could be a little smaller, although although Lewis is 6'5 and 245 pounds he still has this skinny "strong" small build... if that even makes sense. He doesn't have that huge big build.

One fight where I think Lewis is getting the short-end of the stick is the Louis fight.

What makes Lewis so hard to compare in a fantasy fight is he fluky losses. He just lost focus and get KTFO. This could happen to previous ATG heavyweights, but 9/10 times it probably wouldn't happen. Lewis is an interestingly difficult case to examine.

As for an Ali - Lewis fight, I feel that people are underestimating the difficulties this fight would bring for Ali. Holyfield is probably also not getting enough dues seeing how close the 1st fight was and how much older he was.

The Liston/Holmes v Lewis matchup are probably the most intriguing to me in my opinion.

[OBCboxer]

Lewis vs Ali- Ali by decision
Lewis vs Louis- Louis by KO/TKO
Lewis vs Marciano- Marciano by UD or late stoppage
Lewis vs Holmes- Holmes UD
Lewis vs Tyson- Tyson by KO/TKO
Lewis vs Foreman- Lewis by KO/TKO
Lewis vs Frazier- Frazier by Decision
Lewis vs Dempsey- Lewis by KO/TKO
Lewis vs Johnson- Johnson by decision
Lewis vs Liston- Liston by KO/TKO
Lewis vs Holyfield- Holyfield by decision
Lewis vs Tunney- Lewis by KO/TKO
Lewis vs W. Klitschko- Lewis by KO/TKO
Lewis vs V. Klitschko- Lewis by KO/TKO
Lewis vs Bowe- Lewis by KO/TKO

[he grant]

Locke, the four fighters you listed (Holyfield, Mercer, Tua and Mavrovic) had four all time exceptional chins. The first three are without debate but even Mavrovic was unreal. The bombs Lewis hit him with were terrific and he took them) Who do you think knocks out any of these guys in their primes except maybe Joe Louis?

It can be argued based on size, skill and power that a prime, focused Lewis is a top all time champiom in my book ..