Will Ricky and Billy be together again?

[radab]

What d'ya reckon GB forum?

Bygones be bygones?

Can it happen?

[kosaros]

I don't think it can happen, unless they squash there legal disputes.

[dan-b]

Very unlikely. It would be a good idea for Hatton if he's planning to continue fighting though.

[bringitondown]

No, Graham knows Hatton is shot and still cares about Hatton too much to want him to carry on fighting. Team Hatton wouldn't re-hire Billy Graham anyway, Ray Hatton wouldn't bring back someone who he previously fired after laying blame on Graham instead of accepting his and his son's mistakes. Graham wanted Hatton to pull out of the Lazcano fight because of illness but Ray Hatton wouldn't allow it, Graham was getting increasingly annoyed at his lack of say because of Team Hatton towards the end.

["TKO"]

What d'ya reckon GB forum?

Bygones be bygones?

Can it happen?

No. Hatton let Graham go because he wasn't physically up to it anymore. That is not going to have changed now he's got a year or two older.

[radab]

Good points boys. But even Ricky doesnt bring him back as a trainer, there could be NO one better to have in his corner come fight night

[bringitondown]

Good points boys. But even Ricky doesnt bring him back as a trainer, there could be NO one better to have in his corner come fight night

You are correct - he is better to have no one in his corner ;)

He's got no reason to continue fighting. Getting rid of Billy Graham was a stupid decision though. Graham trained him for 40-odd fights since he was 17 years old. No one else understands Hatton's weaknesses, strengths and capabilities as well as Billy Graham.

[robster]

Thought when I read this that Burns had fallen out with Nelson :lol:

[Brick-Top]

Billy gets Ricky in good shape but his corner work is a joke.

Ricky needs a good technical coach and one that has the discipline to turn up and work him hard.

Rickys condition was down to Kerry kayes though not Billy Graham, its Kerry that Rickys missed more than anything, Kerry transformed him into a 10 stone power house, without Kerrys oversight, Ricky loses his main asset, his strength at the weight

[BIG WORM]

it'd never happen....... they been through too much shit!!

[Losfer_Words]

Kayes is a strength coach.

It is Graham that puts him through his paces in the gym.

That said, Hatton looked incredibly gaunt at the Pacquiao weigh in. I think Kayes' departure was a really bad piece of decision making on Hatton's part. I'm not making excuses, though. For me, Pacman was always gonna win that fight, although I never dreamed it would be within 2 rounds!

[Brick-Top]

Kayes is a strength coach.

It is Graham that puts him through his paces in the gym.

Kayes wasnt just a strength coach, he was in charge of strength, conditioning and fitness along with nutrition. Billy worked with ricky on the technical side ie. pads ect, kerry did everything to prime Rickys body for action ie. running weights ect. It was Kerry that got Ricky into shape not Billy, Billy worked on the purely boxing aspects

[Brick-Top]

That said, Hatton looked incredibly gaunt at the Pacquiao weigh in. I think Kayes' departure was a really bad piece of decision making on Hatton's part. I'm not making excuses, though. For me, Pacman was always gonna win that fight, although I never dreamed it would be within 2 rounds!

As far as Im aware mate Hatton wanted Kerry to stay on, but Kerry left out of respect for Billy

[Losfer_Words]

As far as Im aware mate Hatton wanted Kerry to stay on, but Kerry left out of respect for Billy

Whoops! Sorry then, I just assumed that it was the whole Phoenix gym that were scheisted by Hatton (minus Beard who worked there for the Lazcano fight):patsch. My mistake, sorry. He did look bad at that weigh in though, didn't he?

[Losfer_Words]

Ricky was all over the place. No speed no head movement he looked dire.

I never said he wasn't, mate. It was a terrible performance by Hatton but take nothing away from Pacquiao's stellar performance, either.

[Brick-Top]

Whoops! Sorry then, I just assumed that it was the whole Phoenix gym that were scheisted by Hatton (minus Beard who worked there for the Lazcano fight):patsch. My mistake, sorry. He did look bad at that weigh in though, didn't he?

Youve only got to look at that picture mate, he looked a very ill man

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[Losfer_Words]

:lol:That's what I was getting at. You can bet your life Kayes would never have had him looking like that.:barf

[mossy141]

it will nver happen again....but i must say graham got the best out of hatton and without billy, ricky wouldnt be where he is today

[Brick-Top]

it will nver happen again....but i must say graham got the best out of hatton and without billy, ricky wouldnt be where he is today

Without ricky, billy wouldnt be where he is today! Billy Grahams nothing special, its no coincidence that the large majority of his fighters end up taking a brutal beating, he teaches them to walk through punches

[Savino]

I think Ricky would of been better off with Billy durin the Manny fight but no chance after Billy sued him. if he comes back he will stick with beard and maybe go try get Roach for his comeback fight.

[beecho1988]

[quote=Brick-Top;4371728]Youve only got to look at that picture mate, he looked a very ill man


He always looks like that at the weigh in

[Brick-Top]

He always looks like that at the weigh in


Really? Because he doesnt look like a corpse at the urango weigh in. Look at his eye sockets at the pac weigh in, he looks like death warmed up.


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[dan-b]

^ I think you're reaching with this one.

[Brick-Top]

^ I think you're reaching with this one.

Care to elaborate?

[Mazallan]

Hopefully they kiss and make up.

[dan-b]

Care to elaborate?

Yeah. I don't see much of a difference between the two pictures. I think you're attempting to hold up some pretty flimsy excuses, in the form of speculation, for a man who was always limited and likely to be beaten by someone like Pac.

[TFFP]

They look exactly the same :patsch

Hatton always looks ill at weigh ins. Partly because he's an idiot with no self-discipline, nobody can afford to lose 40lbs over a long period, and secondly because he's pale skinned.

The excuses for this loss have been very poor, but then again it was the same against Mayweather.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think Ray Hatton is the chief supplier of bullets for the hate brigade, along with that fat stupid fucker, is it Paul Speak?

[mossy141]

Without ricky, billy wouldnt be where he is today! Billy Grahams nothing special, its no coincidence that the large majority of his fighters end up taking a brutal beating, he teaches them to walk through punches
but when ricky was with billy he was able to walk through punches....apart from the magee fight

[Brick-Top]

but when ricky was with billy he was able to walk through punches....apart from the magee fight

Are you honestly trying to praise a style of training that teaches you to rely purely on punch resistance, its only going to end in tears after a few years which hit ultimatly has

[Brick-Top]

Yeah. I don't see much of a difference between the two pictures. I think you're attempting to hold up some pretty flimsy excuses, in the form of speculation, for a man who was always limited and likely to be beaten by someone like Pac.

Slow down, Im not making no excuses, if the fight had gone 8-9 rounds, his conditioning might have been a factor, as it was it lasted 2 rounds so we didnt get the cahnce to see if he was drained or not.

As for the pics looking the same, you obviously dont know what to look for mate if thats your opinion.

[Danny]

Very unlikely. It would be a good idea for Hatton if he's planning to continue fighting though.

Perhaps, but I think if Ricky does continue with his career, I reckon freddy Roach may end up being his trainer! Despite Roach expressing his view that Ricky shoudl retire, I reckon he would not pass the opportunity to train Hatton!

[radab]

Perhaps, but I think if Ricky does continue with his career, I reckon freddy Roach may end up being his trainer! Despite Roach expressing his view that Ricky shoudl retire, I reckon he would not pass the opportunity to train Hatton!




esp if a fight with marquez materialized

regardless, i'd much rather see billy in with ricky if he's carrying on

like laurel and hardie, bill and ben, kylie and jason - billy and ricky were meant to be together dammit :|

[Jeff Young]

Rickys condition was down to Kerry kayes though not Billy Graham, its Kerry that Rickys missed more than anything, Kerry transformed him into a 10 stone power house, without Kerrys oversight, Ricky loses his main asset, his strength at the weight

i totally agree with this....hatton used to do a lot weight training with kerry.....and when floyd, sr. and beard came into the picture they cut a large portion of weights out ricky talked about it....and you can see how much muscle mass he lost.....

I do think hatton needs to get back with graham, and let graham get another pay day, and the lawsuit would get dropped....

sure floyd, sr. wasnt that great for ricky in the lead up to the pac-fight, but lee beard is shit...ricky needs to quit listening to that guy....

[icemax]

Kayes wasnt just a strength coach, he was in charge of strength, conditioning and fitness along with nutrition.

You only have to look at the physical improvement of both Mat Macklin and Jamie Moore to see Kayes real value...top class conditioner

[Dan684]

Lads neither will happen. Too much 'water under the bridge' between him and Graham now, the law suit being the straw that broke the camels back, so to speak. And by all accounts Kerry was seriously pissed about the way that Ricky handled the whole matter which is why he decided not to carry on with helping Hatton (although he did say if he needed any advice Ricky could always pick up the phone and he'd pass on any advice he could) he just said I will not be working with him no more.

It was sad to see Kayes and Graham backing Ricky to the hilt in the Malignaggi and Pac fights and not having a bad word to say about him, whilst Ricky sat through press conference after press conference of Joy Mayweather slating Graham and never stepped in once to back him up. That is where I lost a lot of respect for Hatton

[Jeff Young]

Lads neither will happen. Too much 'water under the bridge' between him and Graham now, the law suit being the straw that broke the camels back, so to speak. And by all accounts Kerry was seriously pissed about the way that Ricky handled the whole matter which is why he decided not to carry on with helping Hatton (although he did say if he needed any advice Ricky could always pick up the phone and he'd pass on any advice he could) he just said I will not be working with him no more.

It was sad to see Kayes and Graham backing Ricky to the hilt in the Malignaggi and Pac fights and not having a bad word to say about him, whilst Ricky sat through press conference after press conference of Joy Mayweather slating Graham and never stepped in once to back him up. That is where I lost a lot of respect for Hatton

I agree with most of this.....i do think hatton very poorly handled graham, but keep in mind being replaced by floyd, sr. was the work of ray hatton.....plus i really dont put too much into what graham says nowadays....first he said ricky would beat manny is spectacular fashion and then he says hatton is shot now,and he saw it in the lazcano fight....and that if he would have been there for the paulie fight, the pac fight would have never happened.....graham is full of shit too.....

[Dan684]

Yep Jeff not diagreeing with this. Ray Hatton is/was the cause of a lot of Hatton's problems outside of the ring and i'm not necessariliy saying it was Ricky's fault or it was entirely down to him the way the split was handled however he just disappointed me sitting there letting a man who he once described as a 'father figure' gets disrespected in such a way.

[Brick-Top]

Yep Jeff not diagreeing with this. Ray Hatton is/was the cause of a lot of Hatton's problems outside of the ring and i'm not necessariliy saying it was Ricky's fault or it was entirely down to him the way the split was handled however he just disappointed me sitting there letting a man who he once described as a 'father figure' gets disrespected in such a way.

That thought had entered my mind too, I wouldnt expect Ricky to get up in front of the media and tell Floyd to shut it but you'd have thought he'd have had a quiet word in his ear behind closed doors.

[radab]

You only have to look at the physical improvement of both Mat Macklin and Jamie Moore to see Kayes real value...top class conditioner



head and shoulders above the rest