Khan's chin is still grade A china.

[Amsterdam]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Max Molyneux]

Evidence?

[IronBull]

Actually Max Molyneux.

Amir has never been knocked out in his pro and amateur career.

Amsterdam is trying to be big head and he is a drama queen. All those fighters are good, you're just too stubborn Amsterdam. If you train boxing and have taken a punch in the ring you wouldn't even say "he’s nothing". It clearly exposes you to being a hating fan that hasn't tasted it, you just comment without using your brain. The minute a specific fighter you dislike loses, you jump and start judging, but before that, you'll stick with your "Oh, he's nothing".

[Amsterdam]

I was an amatuer boxer my friend, I am a martial artist and have competed in competitions.

I've taken good punches, knee's and kicks to the head in my entire run in amatuer boxing fights, kick boxing fights and other martial arts competitions, I know what it's like to take a blow to the head, but I don't have a china chin as I have never really been buzzed by anything.

Amir probably gets starched in the gym, that's why they select specific feather fisted opponents and will continue to do so.

Watch Limond get a nice upset KO though, he's a good lad and I want him to win. If Limond KO's Khan, you had better believe that you'll never hear the end of it, if you stay around....:lol: :lol: :lol:

[ron u.k.]

I was an amatuer boxer my friend, I am a martial artist and have competed in competitions.

I've taken good punches, knee's and kicks to the head in my entire run in amatuer boxing fights, kick boxing fights and other martial arts competitions, I know what it's like to take a blow to the head, but I don't have a china chin as I have never really been buzzed by anything.

Amir probably gets starched in the gym, that's why they select specific feather fisted opponents and will continue to do so.

Watch Limond get a nice upset KO though, he's a good lad and I want him to win. If Limond KO's Khan, you had better believe that you'll never hear the end of it, if you stay around....:lol: :lol: :lol:you may be right ammy,but it still sounds like hate.

[stake501]

amsterdam's chin checking credentials are legendary, but no evidence of Khan as of yet just speculation....."probably gets starched in the gym all the time" :patsch is the most spurious argument you can give.

My friends brother's mate's colleagues cousin starched amsterdam all the time in martial arts and amateur boxing....pure speculation no basis in fact, but probably true ;)

Amsterdam...I thought you had vowed not to start any more Khan threads.....you little liar :hey

[Vantage_West]

right peeps time for revenge look at the post

[Amsterdam]

amsterdam's chin checking credentials are legendary, but no evidence of Khan as of yet just speculation....."probably gets starched in the gym all the time" :patsch is the most spurious argument you can give.

My friends brother's mate's colleagues cousin starched amsterdam all the time in martial arts and amateur boxing....pure speculation no basis in fact, but probably true ;)

Amsterdam...I thought you had vowed not to start any more Khan threads.....you little liar :hey

They deleted my goddamn threads and wiped the forum clean, I had to re-christen it!:lol:

[Amsterdam]

all this amir has a glass jaw is getting boring now.:roll:

But wait until after the Limond fight, which Amir will most likely win because Limond's a limited fighter, the hype will go up some more and I'll have to be here to re-establish why Amir is nothing and why it's a saturated joke train that is never ending.

BUT, If Limond wins.....

Hell, I promised some essay's, but I don't think I need to say anything, mission accomplished.:yep

[SouthLondonsFinest]

what have u seen of Limond which tells u hes a limited figher?

[NOrth]

people who train in Olivers claim amirs chin is fine. no reports of him being chinny that I know of. Worth noting he's what? 20 now?

[achillesthegreat]

Limonds a pretty solid fighter actually. He is the kind who has limited talent but has some tools to make up for it.

[faisal]

i guess poor old amstadam got his arse whopped by a guy that looked remarkably similar to Amir in a previous life, thats why he hates the boy soo much

[victorhugo4222]

I dont think anyone can really say if he has or not as he hasnt really fought anyone decent enough to give him a proper test. Limond is a good fighter who i have seen quite a few times i dont think he has the big ounch to knock khan out but i certainly think he can give khan a boxing lesson.

[achillesthegreat]

Khans done and said a few things that have made me think shut up or piss off BUT he's never done anything to make someone campaign against him like Amster does.

[SouthLondonsFinest]

aint that the truth, fuck it hs stepping up like we all were crying out for.

[NOrth]

Hamed mess? How so?

[Amsterdam]

Khans done and said a few things that have made me think shut up or piss off BUT he's never done anything to make someone campaign against him like Amster does.

And the campaign marches on, if the rest of the anti-Khan train has o stamina and want to give in to the demon, then so be it, I am relentless however and this thread replaces the one that was deleted, I will not make any more.

It had to be made because new posters who come along must know that Khan has a china chin, is a social joke, is a bad hype job that is violently offencive to seasoned boxing fans and is nothing special.

And yes, Willie is limited, I support Willie and I want him to win and expose this fraud, but nobody will ever declare that he's a dynamic fighter, if he was, he'd obviously be at a bigger level.

[IronBull]

And the campaign marches on, if the rest of the anti-Khan train has o stamina and want to give in to the demon, then so be it, I am relentless however and this thread replaces the one that was deleted, I will not make any more.

It had to be made because new posters who come along must know that Khan has a china chin, is a social joke, is a bad hype job that is violently offencive to seasoned boxing fans and is nothing special.

And yes, Willie is limited, I support Willie and I want him to win and expose this fraud, but nobody will ever declare that he's a dynamic fighter, if he was, he'd obviously be at a bigger level.

Khan is no fraud you idiot.

[brown bomber]

And the campaign marches on, if the rest of the anti-Khan train has o stamina and want to give in to the demon, then so be it, I am relentless however and this thread replaces the one that was deleted, I will not make any more.

It had to be made because new posters who come along must know that Khan has a china chin, is a social joke, is a bad hype job that is violently offencive to seasoned boxing fans and is nothing special.

And yes, Willie is limited, I support Willie and I want him to win and expose this fraud, but nobody will ever declare that he's a dynamic fighter, if he was, he'd obviously be at a bigger level. It really is boring buddy... Who in the domestic ratings can punch that you feel would have been a sensible match up for ****** to make.

I take it you think the one count Amir suffered as an AM makes him suspect...... Well Muhammed Ali must have been awful in the chin department because he got KO'd twice as an amateur. Eamon Magee got stopped, Ricky Hatton got knocked out, Nigel Benn, David Tua both were Ko'd.

Your argument against Khans chin has no basis and makes your opinion seem a bit corrupt which in a forum is pretty devestating when you do have a wothwhilepoint about something.

[IronBull]

It really is boring buddy... Who in the domestic ratings can punch that you feel would have been a sensible match up for ****** to make.

I take it you think the one count Amir suffered as an AM makes him suspect...... Well Muhammed Ali must have been awful in the chin department because he got KO'd twice as an amateur. Eamon Magee got stopped, Ricky Hatton got knocked out, Nigel Benn, David Tua both were Ko'd.

Your argument against Khans chin has no basis and makes your opinion seem a bit corrupt which in a forum is pretty devestating when you do have a wothwhilepoint about something.

:good

[stake501]

His chin is untested full stop. But to suggest good pros like Limond anad Khan will outbox the guy is ludicrous. The only person to have outboxed Khan is Kindelan in their first fight. He couldnt repeat the trick although was a worthy winner in the olympic final. To suggest guys that are simply not in Kindelans class like Limind and Earl could do it when Khan has got older, bigger, stronger and quicker is rediculous.

I think Amsterdam you will have to wait a while before you start crowing, maybe till genuine world level, but by then he would have proved you wrong by actually getting to that level

[Amsterdam]

Khan is no fraud you idiot.

He's absolutely a fraud.:deal

[Amsterdam]

It really is boring buddy... Who in the domestic ratings can punch that you feel would have been a sensible match up for ****** to make.

I take it you think the one count Amir suffered as an AM makes him suspect...... Well Muhammed Ali must have been awful in the chin department because he got KO'd twice as an amateur. Eamon Magee got stopped, Ricky Hatton got knocked out, Nigel Benn, David Tua both were Ko'd.

Your argument against Khans chin has no basis and makes your opinion seem a bit corrupt which in a forum is pretty devestating when you do have a wothwhilepoint about something.

There is a process of checking chins, it all has to do with theorizing, and to this date, I have never been wrong in calling a chin where it stands...

Which is around 25 or so total hype job jokes in the past 3 years that people were high on initially or found "potential" in.

So when the little cunt gets KTFO, are you going to say that you need substantial evidence to correctly theorize and call a glass chin, or some other intangible deficiency when someone who does this frequently, at a 100% success rate to this date calls it?

I don't need substantial concrete evidence, little clear bits and pieces that make up a whole are good enough for me and it's never failed yet.

So again, when Khan gets brutally KTFO before even reaching decent title contention, after all of this embarassing hype, maybe you all who are apologetic to this ridiculous situation involving a non-special joke, will have learned something about hype jobs and chin checking.

Furthermore, I don't care if a few people think that my Khan analysis is overboard and then don't listen to me when I am right, I have been wrong here and there but I am generally one of the most knowledgable posters around and WE ALL learn something new as students of the this great sport, so if they want to miss out on something that is on target, so be it.

[Zakman]

Evidence?

Check the records of the guys he's fought. They're not just the usual tomato cans and no-hopers a prospect faces on the way up, they are CAREFULLY selected LIGHT-HITTING tomato cans and no hopers. Even this Scottish guy he's about to fight - who's a step up - has been carefully selected because he has very few KOs.

When handlers specifically select feather-fisted opponents, there is usually a reason - and that reason is that their meal-ticket doesn't take a great shot, and they KNOW it.

[brown bomber]

There is a process of checking chins, it all has to do with theorizing, and to this date, I have never been wrong in calling a chin where it stands...

Which is around 25 or so total hype job jokes in the past 3 years that people were high on initially or found "potential" in.

So when the little cunt gets KTFO, are you going to say that you need substantial evidence to correctly theorize and call a glass chin, or some other intangible deficiency when someone who does this frequently, at a 100% success rate to this date calls it?

I don't need substantial concrete evidence, little clear bits and pieces that make up a whole are good enough for me and it's never failed yet.

So again, when Khan gets brutally KTFO before even reaching decent title contention, after all of this embarassing hype, maybe you all who are apologetic to this ridiculous situation involving a non-special joke, will have learned something about hype jobs and chin checking.

Furthermore, I don't care if a few people think that my Khan analysis is overboard and then don't listen to me when I am right, I have been wrong here and there but I am generally one of the most knowledgable posters around and WE ALL learn something new as students of the this great sport, so if they want to miss out on something that is on target, so be it.So your thoery is based on a sixth sense which is the ability to sense a dodgy chin- excellent. Shame you don't do lottery numbers.

[Amsterdam]

So your thoery is based on a sixth sense which is the ability to sense a dodgy chin- excellent. Shame you don't do lottery numbers.

Not even the same thing. I can do other things that are similiar when you have given factors and noticeable trends with small bits and pieces of evidence that come together as a whole, but who CAN'T?

That's why this whole "there is no conrete evidence" is ridiculous, it's right there in your face that the kid, and others, can't take a shot if you just look for it.

So you think it's ridiculous how I have theorized Khan's chin being bad off of "nothing", but let me ask you this, how come I have called plenty of others in the same way? And guess what, the fans of the set hype jobs were always giving me the same type of feedback, "how do you KNOW".:yep

Seems that I knew something, because there joker boy was KTFO or exposed in some other fashion that related to taking a shot....

[brown bomber]

Check the records of the guys he's fought. They're not just the usual tomato cans and no-hopers a prospect faces on the way up, they are CAREFULLY selected LIGHT-HITTING tomato cans and no hopers. Even this Scottish guy he's about to fight - who's a step up - has been carefully selected because he has very few KOs.

When handlers specifically select feather-fisted opponents, there is usually a reason - and that reason is that their meal-ticket doesn't take a great shot, and they KNOW it. What do you actually know about any of Khans opponents? I reckon all you know is a quick glimpse at their W-L-D and a look at the percentage of KO's.

David Bailey beat Craig Johnson who is a pretty good domestic prospect.

Baz Carey is durable and drew with highly rated Andrew Ferrans and hit stiffly enough to stop durable David Hinds.

Danny Thorpe stopped Commonwealth Games gold medalist Haider Ali, Junior ABA champion Stephen Mullin and also severely rocked former British Champion Andy Morris. He also scored good points wins over John Honney and got a draw with English champion Ashley Theophane. He's probably the most dangerous journeyman in the country along with Luke Simpkin.

Jackson Williams was a capable area level performer.

Lazlo Komjathi had mixed at the lower echelons of world class losing only a split decision to Lazlo Bogner who beat Michael Gomez. He also went the distance with Demarcus Corley.

Colin Bain was considered one of the better Scottish prospects till losing to Ricky Burns and holds a win over dangerous Martin Hardcastle.

Ryan Barrett would go on to beat former British champion Jamie Mckeever and fight for the British title against John Simpson and
he also boxed with success for england as an amateur.

Mohammed Medjadji had taken Kevin Mitchell six rounds.

And finally Steffy Bull was a former Central area champion who despite susceptability to body shots was good enough to beat Carl Greaves, Jimmy Beach and Carl Allen. Earliar in his career he had given the useful Dean Pithie a hell of a fight.

These guys aren't tomato cans and no hopers and you should be a bit more respectful when talking about fighters.

Yes there Ko percentage wasn't high but who can hit domestically at lightweight. Where are the punchers you want to match Khan with because with the exception of Gary Reid there aren't any major puncher in the UK.

You clearly know nothing about the lightweight division domesically so I hope I have educated you so you don't make a cock out of yourself for future threads.

Adios.

[Amsterdam]

yes but amstadam we know you hate khan and want him to lose but you dont have to go on about it all the time its getting tiresome.:tired

Wait until he gets KOed.:lol:

I won't have anything to talk about actually, because all of the Khan apologists will be pretty silent.:lol: :lol:

Just like Fraudley Harrison apologists were.

[brown bomber]

Not even the same thing. I can do other things that are similiar when you have given factors and noticeable trends with small bits and pieces of evidence that come together as a whole, but who CAN'T?

That's why this whole "there is no conrete evidence" is ridiculous, it's right there in your face that the kid, and others, can't take a shot if you just look for it.

So you think it's ridiculous how I have theorized Khan's chin being bad off of "nothing", but let me ask you this, how come I have called plenty of others in the same way? And guess what, the fans of the set hype jobs were always giving me the same type of feedback, "how do you KNOW".:yep

Seems that I knew something, because there joker boy was KTFO or exposed in some other fashion that related to taking a shot.... Your thoery is based on the fact that he has been matched against non punchers and suffered one count as an amateur. There has been nothing as a pro to suggest he can't take a shot and only a brief moment when he was an amateur where he looked vulnerable- against a noted puncher.

[brown bomber]

Wait until he gets KOed.:lol:

I won't have anything to talk about actually, because all of the Khan apologists will be pretty silent.:lol: :lol:

Just like Fraudley Harrison apologists were. Its easy to slag off any boxer coming through and then say I told you so but right now you just want Khan to get chinned you haven't got any evidence to suggest its going to happen. Why do you hate Khan so much?

[achillesthegreat]

Even emma has turned on Amster!

[Amsterdam]

Even emma has turned on Amster!

Low stamina I guess.:lol:

[Decebal]

I would be quite keen to learn from Amsterdam how he goes about china testing...I am not looking for a lecture, this would be unfair on Amsterdam, but just some pointers here and there...might learn something!;)

[IronBull]

What do you actually know about any of Khans opponents? I reckon all you know is a quick glimpse at their W-L-D and a look at the percentage of KO's.

David Bailey beat Craig Johnson who is a pretty good domestic prospect.

Baz Carey is durable and drew with highly rated Andrew Ferrans and hit stiffly enough to stop durable David Hinds.

Danny Thorpe stopped Commonwealth Games gold medalist Haider Ali, Junior ABA champion Stephen Mullin and also severely rocked former British Champion Andy Morris. He also scored good points wins over John Honney and got a draw with English champion Ashley Theophane. He's probably the most dangerous journeyman in the country along with Luke Simpkin.

Jackson Williams was a capable area level performer.

Lazlo Komjathi had mixed at the lower echelons of world class losing only a split decision to Lazlo Bogner who beat Michael Gomez. He also went the distance with Demarcus Corley.

Colin Bain was considered one of the better Scottish prospects till losing to Ricky Burns and holds a win over dangerous Martin Hardcastle.

Ryan Barrett would go on to beat former British champion Jamie Mckeever and fight for the British title against John Simpson and
he also boxed with success for england as an amateur.

Mohammed Medjadji had taken Kevin Mitchell six rounds.

And finally Steffy Bull was a former Central area champion who despite susceptability to body shots was good enough to beat Carl Greaves, Jimmy Beach and Carl Allen. Earliar in his career he had given the useful Dean Pithie a hell of a fight.

These guys aren't tomato cans and no hopers and you should be a bit more respectful when talking about fighters.

Yes there Ko percentage wasn't high but who can hit domestically at lightweight. Where are the punchers you want to match Khan with because with the exception of Gary Reid there aren't any major puncher in the UK.

You clearly know nothing about the lightweight division domesically so I hope I have educated you so you don't make a cock out of yourself for future threads.

Adios.

GO GO jeff!! Excellent post! :good :thumbsup

Learn Amsterdam.. :hi: and stop being childish... most of your post doesn't make sense and just twist it all the way..

[rooq]

amsterdam, i guess the criteria for success of your china-chin theory is khan getting ktfo by an average puncher.

but how do we judge it to have failed. in your eyes who does khan have to fight and not get ko'd by to disprove your theory?

[Amsterdam]

I would be quite keen to learn from Amsterdam how he goes about china testing...I am not looking for a lecture, this would be unfair on Amsterdam, but just some pointers here and there...might learn something!;)

If you'd like, I am sure Zakman will inform you of the scientific method of checking chins, he and I are a tag team on here when it comes to checking chins and he could fill you in well.

[Amsterdam]

GO GO jeff!! Excellent post! :good :thumbsup

Learn Amsterdam.. :hi: and stop being childish... most of your post doesn't make sense and just twist it all the way..

Most of my posts don't make sense?:lol:

They make perfect sense, you just know nothing about boxing and have certain limitations when it comes to English comprehension, which I don't hold against you, but which you should at least mind what you are saying at times.

Let me ask you IronBull, since you have never answered this before -

If Khan gets KTFO in a totally embarassing way by a ham and egger, are you going to flee or come around to discuss it with Sir Amsterdam?:lol: :lol: :lol:

[brown bomber]

If Khan gets ko'd anywhere before world class you can choose my avatar for 6 months.

[BigEars]

If Khan gets ko'd anywhere before world class you can choose my avatar for 6 months.

Bold move Jeff as that includes Thaxton and Romanov should he face them .

[Amsterdam]

If Khan gets ko'd anywhere before world class you can choose my avatar for 6 months.

World Class, meaning the top 10 of the weight division correct?

Or does World Class mean top 25 to you. See, plenty of guys in the top 25 are fringe or gate keeper types, but World level fringe contenders would be too much for Khan also...

World Class top 10's, Khan won't get there ever. Thaxton is currently ranked number 40 for example, despite being a British Domestic success, and plenty of guys would pick Thaxton over Amir, or this Romanov fellow.

So I have nothing against you John Thomas, neither should anyone, you're an admirable person, so let's make it just a month(6 months is too brutal) that if Khan get's KTFO before the WC level, that your avatar will be Khan on the canvas.:lol:

If Khan legitimately cracks the top 10, by beating a notable WC opponent, I'll sport a Khan avatar of your choosing for a month.

[brown bomber]

lol John Thomas- tw@t

[Amsterdam]

lol John Thomas- tw@t

Jeff Thomas*

[brown bomber]

I take it your aware that a John Thomas is a penis??

[Amsterdam]

I take it your aware that a John Thomas is a penis??

No, I mixed up your name by mistake. I don't know every English idiom, I am a native Swiss you know.:oops:

I don't have anything against you, I was being honest, even though you're a blatant Khan apologist.;)

[stake501]

Johnno Thaxton is not 40 in the world but 11 according to boxrec, legitimately world class level ? you decide


Romanov is 8
Khan is 34
Earl is 40
Limond 49

[BigEars]

Johnno Thaxton is not 40 in the world but 11 according to boxrec, legitimately world class level ? you decide


Romanov is 8
Khan is 34
Earl is 40
Limond 49

Boxrec's rankings used to be okay but they changed them to a predictionary ranking rather than one on accomplishments so are inaccurate .

The WBC have Jon at 37 and the IBO's independent(also computerized but with a better forumla for judging how a fighter deserves to be ranked currently) rankings have him at 29 .

Khan is 10th with the WBO , 22nd with the WBC and 53rd with the IBO .

Make of that what you will , but I'll say one thing . I'm a fan of Thaxton but he definitely is not the 11th best Lightweight in the World .

[Amsterdam]

Boxrec's rankings used to be okay but they changed them to a predictionary ranking rather than one on accomplishments so are inaccurate .

The WBC have Jon at 37 and the IBO's independent(also computerized but with a better forumla for judging how a fighter deserves to be ranked currently) rankings have him at 29 .

Khan is 10th with the WBO , 22nd with the WBC and 53rd with the IBO .

Make of that what you will , but I'll say one thing . I'm a fan of Thaxton but he definitely is not the 11th best Lightweight in the World .

You can already forsee that ****** is making way for Khan to scalp a WBO without fighting a ranked top 15 threat at LW.:lol:

It's not going to work though, even those guys are too dangerous for baby Khan.:lol: :yep

[SouthLondonsFinest]

SR Robinsons 13th fight was Jimmy Tygh his record was W34 (KOS4) L17 D5


Give hte kid a break, its getting boring

[Amsterdam]

SR Robinsons 13th fight was Jimmy Tygh his record was W34 (KOS4) L17 D5


Give hte kid a break, its getting boring

:lol:

You Khan apologists kill me in trying to find information to defend this kid.

You forgot to note that Ray also fought his first 13 fights in under a year and by two years, had already compiled a 30 something undefeated record with some decent journeymen on it, completely different set up.

So let me explain to you what this would transfer over as in the modern era, since older guys fought a ton of tune ups to stay busy....

New prospect, 2 years in modern format... generally 12-15 fights if he's active, so since Ray stepped up to some decent journeyman in 2 years, some of who could punch and had various styles to contradict his, then Ray's modern record would have been 13 fights with more of a name on it than Steffy Bull's and Rachid Drilzane's, but you wanted to DIRECTLY use Ray Robinson, the universally considered greatest fighter in the history of the sport...

Hell mate, at least go for a normal P4P level fighter and not SRR without even knowing the difference between the modern and classic era's.

Try again next time.:yep :good









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:yep :yep :yep

[Amsterdam]

I just headed over to boxrec to check up on Ray's record for the first time in a while, not only did he face decent journeymen in his first 2 years, but I forgot that he stepped up to both Zivic twice and La Motta in his first two years.

Two notable fighters, one being a future ATG at MW. This would be the equivalent of Khan jumping up to 147 to fight Miguel Cotto RIGHT NOW.

In other words....


:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Aren't boxrec warriors the best?:yep

At least I relearnt something here though in terms of history....

[SouthLondonsFinest]

I wasn`t comparing fighters, just showing you that Ray was fighting hes 13th fight against someone with 4KO`S.

Your getting extremely boring

[Amsterdam]

I wasn`t comparing fighters, just showing you that Ray was fighting hes 13th fight against someone with 4KO`S.

Your getting extremely boring

And I returned fire with an era/era comparison, how guys in the 20's, 30's, 40's and 50's would fight constantly and that Ray's 13 fights in a couple of months is nothing to compare to the 2 years preparation involved in modern training/match making and the 13th fight coming up of Khan.

You learned something new, how is it boring? It's just that you don't like the material at all.

I even showed you that Ray's modern "step up" in 2 years would probably only be 15 fights or so, but if you compared competition directly in his 2 year period to a modern 2 year period to Amir's, then Amir would be jumping up 2 weight division to fight a Cotto type character like Ray did with La Motta 2 years after turning pro.

If you want bring up the 13th fight again, then I'll simply have you know that Ray's 13th fight would be the equivalent of a modern fighters 3rd fight or so.

But again, nice try.:yep

[SouthLondonsFinest]

"nice try" I aint trying anything. Ur picking on a kid whos still learing his trade and fighting Limmond next is a prefect step up, fingers crossed it will be Earl after that and then maybe Thaxton, fingers crossed. Then we can judge, but until then lets just see how he goes against Limmond.

I mean look a chavez jnrs resume.

[Amsterdam]

"nice try" I aint trying anything. Ur picking on a kid whos still learing his trade and fighting Limmond next is a prefect step up, fingers crossed it will be Earl after that and then maybe Thaxton, fingers crossed. Then we can judge, but until then lets just see how he goes against Limmond.

I mean look a chavez jnrs resume.

Nice try again, Chavez Jr. had NO amatuer career, started professional from scratch and he's already stepped up a little bit.:lol:

Khan being heralded for his Olympic skills is quite difference than Chavez Jr. turning pro at 18 with only preparation and being slowly weened because of it, but he's STILL stepped up accordingly and has faced guys on the journeyman level who would pose threats to a glass jawed hype job.

On top of that, Chavez Jr. is not even regarded as much of a "physical talent", unlike Khan, whom is praised for his overrated reflexes and speed.

[SouthLondonsFinest]

Right and nor did Mundine, zzz.


Chavez Jnr with the pops he has probably been boxing since he was knee high to a grass hopper. So at least with no amateur experience he had no ad******g to do.

[Smith]

I'm referring to Hamed's business affairs because he got too cocky - fired the Ingles, fired Frank ******, legged it to the US with a trainer who didn't understand him, with family members who told him he was so brilliant that he didn't need to train.

That mess.

He imploded spectacularly - he could have beat Barrera and I think he could have been an ATG if he'd not been such a crap human being.

I still think Khan is sheltered and I'll outline why: it's not that the level of opposition is poor, it's merely ok for the level he's at.

It's that he's hyped as the future of British boxing despite having NEVER shown any vestige of it. Most people can look spectacular battering a human sackcloth who's just trying to survive but Khan isn't on the same level as Alex Arthur who, while being a bit of a chav, is a good boxer, who's going to probably win a world title but gets no press.

Simply put: he doesn't, as yet, deserve all this attention because he hasn't earned it.

Exactly, its the stupid british mainstream media going overboard as per usual. Can't wait to see the little cunt get ko'ed by someone of relevance

[stake501]

Amir senior Amateur Career is nothing to write home about.....about a year and a half. It was a very short and very bright career.

Do we know if Chavz jnr fought at junior amateur level. Then the comparison is fair.

I think boydsmith has it locked. Blame the media not the fighter.

He is doing what any professional would do .... make as much money as possible in the quickest time possible. Look at an average footballer like Beckham who has made mints and compare him to a truely world class player like Pirlo who half the ppl haven't heard of. Its the nature of sport.

I dont blame Beckham though like I dont hate on Khan. Its the media you should be venting on. He may big himself up, but no more than any other boxer. :deal . I dont see why you have to refer to him as c u next tuesday :bart when there are proven ones out there like Scotty harrison

[madpup]

When someone wins a boxing Silver medal at the Olympics at the age of 17, there will be huge hype, especially in Britain, not the most successful sporting nation around. The hype is excessive, but the way he is being brought up is no different to any prospect at his age.

Amsterdam, you are an idiot, there are more holes in your arguments than Swiss Cheese. Name someone else in the history of British boxing who has been brought up faster than Khan at his age?

Let me you remind you of Joe Calzaghe's 12th fight, the mighty Tyrone Jackson who ended his a career with a record of 8 wins and 42 losses.

[Dekkers]

Khan seems a decent boxer, but you have to be suspicious with all these low KO percentage guys he's being matched up with. I won't go as far as to say he's definitely got a glass chin, but he must atleast have big holes in his defence (and/or a shaky beard) for his management to worry so much about matching him up with journeymen that have decent offensive tools.

[Max Molyneux]

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How many Teenage girls will go to see Khan?

[IronBull]

If Khan gets KTFO in a totally embarassing way by a ham and egger, are you going to flee or come around to discuss it with Sir Amsterdam?:lol: :lol: :lol:

If Khan gets knockdown then there is no shame in that.. this is boxing. I will still posts here :)

You claimed Khan is a fraud. What if Willie gets KTFO? Would you call Willie a fraud?? Your logic doesn't make sense. Idiot.

[BigEars]

If Khan gets knockdown then there is no shame in that.. this is boxing. I will still posts here :)

You claimed Khan is a fraud. What if Willie gets KTFO? Would you call Willie a fraud?? Your logic doesn't make sense. Idiot.



In fairness to Amsterdam , Willie never claimed he could beat Floyd Mayweather in a 4 rounder or said that he was better than all of his competitors at British level despite not facing anyone near their level .

Khan should beat Limond , how he does it will be very interesting .

[stake501]

In fairness to Amsterdam , Willie never claimed he could beat Floyd Mayweather in a 4 rounder or said that he was better than all of his competitors at British level despite not facing anyone near their level .

Khan should beat Limond , how he does it will be very interesting .


He did claim that he could beat Khan though...would he be a fraud if he loses.....of course not....i would be more worried if he didnt.

Earl, murray, thaxton have trash talked Khan as well, are they frauds? no

this is business gentlemen, and the hype and trash talking is all part of it.

Every up and comer talks above their station, thats their job

Froch does it more than anyone, and he seems to get less hate than Khan, who is nowhere near as mouthy as that guy (or good??).

a lot of stuff he says is sensationalised in print, where you cannot pick up the context or tone of the comment.

In his televised interviews, he still seems rather respectful and humble about his opponents, he just believes in his own ability.

[BigEars]

[right]


He did claim that he could beat Khan though...would he be a fraud if he loses.....of course not....i would be more worried if he didnt.

Earl, murray, thaxton have trash talked Khan as well, are they frauds? no

this is business gentlemen, and the hype and trash talking is all part of it.

Every up and comer talks above their station, thats their job

Froch does it more than anyone, and he seems to get less hate than Khan, who is nowhere near as mouthy as that guy (or good??).

a lot of stuff he says is sensationalised in print, where you cannot pick up the context or tone of the comment.

In his televised interviews, he still seems rather respectful and humble about his opponents, he just believes in his own ability.

People will of course claim they can beat their immediate opponent , but that's okay cause they're facing them . It's another thing to claim you're above Earl , Thaxton , Limond while beating Steffy Bull .

Khan also has a poor understanding of the British scene , claiming to have handled John Murray easily in sparring yet this was actually Steve Murray .
I wouldn't be surprised if Khan has never seen John Murray or Jon Thaxton before .

It's one thing to claim you can beat a guy and is another to claim you are above several fighters that have all fought at a higher level .

Froch's statements may be bold and he seems a bit of a cock but has backed up everything so far and has proven to be genuine top 10 and maybe top 5 in his weight division . He makes big claims but he is an established fighter , Khan makes big claims but hasn't even won a domestic title yet .

[stake501]

Froch has been saying hes the best supermiddle since he began boxing :deal

[brown bomber]

People will of course claim they can beat their immediate opponent , but that's okay cause they're facing them . It's another thing to claim you're above Earl , Thaxton , Limond while beating Steffy Bull .

Khan also has a poor understanding of the British scene , claiming to have handled John Murray easily in sparring yet this was actually Steve Murray .
I wouldn't be surprised if Khan has never seen John Murray or Jon Thaxton before .

It's one thing to claim you can beat a guy and is another to claim you are above several fighters that have all fought at a higher level .

Froch's statements may be bold and he seems a bit of a cock but has backed up everything so far and has proven to be genuine top 10 and maybe top 5 in his weight division . He makes big claims but he is an established fighter , Khan makes big claims but hasn't even won a domestic title yet . Not Steve Murray the pro it was Johns Am brother.

[madpup]

What Khan has said is no different to 90% other boxers, they talk trash, and he certainly isn't the worst.

Ultimately given that he wins his next fight, he will be judged upon how quickly he steps up, if you ignore the media hype it is too early to judge him one way or the other.

[stake501]

But Froch's done something to prove it.



Yes...and give Amir time, he will also.....thats what he believes

whether or not he is right, only time and results will tell.

The only way to back up the talk is in the ring.

We wanted a step up, hes fighting Limond...what more do we want on the 13th fight.

All boxers big themselves up, its the nature of the game, and they do it whils on the rise, and stop the presses they do it even more when they are at the top....see mayweather etc....

do you think the others boxers really care, i bet not, they are all eager to get in the ring with khan,

1./ payday
2./ chance to be the first one to beat him
3./ they lick their lips everytime their name is mentioned

this fake indignation and feeling offended on their behalf is the real joke here.

[BigEars]

Not Steve Murray the pro it was Johns Am brother.

That's what some people say but others are claiming it was Steve .
I certainly remember news stories of Khan sparring Steve Murray so Khan has sparred both of them and has mixed one of them up with John Murray .

The point is , Khan doesn't seem to know domestic boxing too well .

[Amsterdam]

When someone wins a boxing Silver medal at the Olympics at the age of 17, there will be huge hype, especially in Britain, not the most successful sporting nation around.

When are you all going to learn?:p

The hype is excessive, but the way he is being brought up is no different to any prospect at his age.

I doubt anyone would trash the way he is being brought up, if he was just a normal prospect going about his LEARNING PROCESS. The difference is that he's shoved in everyone's face as the next big thing, a "future ATG", a "physical phenom" and a bunch of other ridiculous things, this is offencive to hardcore boxing fans. Just because you wish to defend it, doesn't make it "okay", this whole trip is not okay, it's a disaster for boxing waiting to happen.

The worst part is that the little cunt is falling into his own little mess, albeit from an insecure stand point, where as guys like Froch are just purely hotheads who are talking to sell and aren't hyped much to begin with, do you see more negative for Froch, or more lenient/forgiveness for Froch? Everything from Khan apologists is a forgiveness type factor.


Amsterdam, you are an idiot, there are more holes in your arguments than Swiss Cheese. Name someone else in the history of British boxing who has been brought up faster than Khan at his age?


I'm an idiot?:yep

Anyway, he's just a young kid, EXACTLY, and one with a jaw of glass at that, so it would be the best idea to stop hyping him to no end, but that's not going to happen is it? Because they plain and simply are looking to milk the cash cow for what it is worth, I have seen this technique MANY times and this is by far the worst one on one of the most suspicious examples to date, which is why I am in such an ANTI-Khan stance.


Let me you remind you of Joe Calzaghe's 12th fight, the mighty Tyrone Jackson who ended his a career with a record of 8 wins and 42 losses


Let me remind you something, nobody expected Joe to do much of anything before he beat Eubank, he had tons of doubters if you remember and no hype train to push him. After he beat Eubank, still no hype train really...

I guess a physical phenom, who just happens to be a more simple guy from Wales with no Olympic medal and no novelty(such as being young and successful in the amatuer's, ooooh, that must mean he'll be an ATG) is not worth completely investing into.

Hell, it wasn't until the Lacy bout, where the guy finally was able to show the World what he can at his best and for the World's boxing fanbase to accept that he's a phenominal fighter.

Britain hyping and jumping on the Joe Calzaghe bandwagon after the Eubank fight would have pushed Joe further and more lukrative fights would have been made that Joe would have won, bringing more sporting glory back to Britain.

[Amsterdam]

If Khan gets knockdown then there is no shame in that.. this is boxing. I will still posts here :)

You claimed Khan is a fraud. What if Willie gets KTFO? Would you call Willie a fraud?? Your logic doesn't make sense. Idiot.



What are you talking about fool? Nobody really expects Limond to win, if he does it would be considered a massive "upset". This is because Limond is a very simple domestic fighter, but he will fight back, unlike a can like Steffy Bull.

And I didn't say knocked down, I said KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT by a light puncher like Willie, which is a career ruining blow after all of this insane hype.

You going to be around if it happens? I'm dealing out crow to every unsensible Khan apologist who liked to make it personal just on boxing discussion, hype job discussion and chin discussion and you may recieve the biggest amount.

:yep

[BigEars]

haye has been brought up quicker than Khan but as said if he had just quietly gone about his business no one would have a problem with his progress .

Hamed was brought up quicker aswell .

[Amsterdam]

haye has been brought up quicker than Khan but as said if he had just quietly gone about his business no one would have a problem with his progress .

Hamed was brought up quicker aswell .

Cheers.:good

Come on now my friend, laugh with me.....


:yep :yep :yep

[rooq]

haye has been brought up quicker than Khan but as said if he had just quietly gone about his business no one would have a problem with his progress .

Hamed was brought up quicker aswell .

its just a damn shame that haye is pretty much unknown in this country. i believe they struggled to sell tickets for the bonin fight. and then we have haye-mormeck coming up which will probably get fuck all media attention.

but anyway, the khan hype annoys me as much as the next man, but i'm still willing to see beyond that and just enjoy seeing how far he gets and how he improves in each fight. predicting someone to become an atg at this point in their career is stupid and that kind of stance is as annoying as the other extreme.

from the entirely selfish perspective of a being a british boxing fan, i'd like khan to succeed just to increase the liklihood of more boxing on regular tv. :yep

[yorkshire_boy]

If Khan gets ko'd anywhere before world class you can choose my avatar for 6 months.

I wonder what he'll choose!

[nicofly]

:d :d

[Benjiabc]

too be honest, i didnt really learn much new from khans last fight, i thought he had a poor chin after the limond fight and i still think it, too be honest the shots khan took on saturday, could well of knocked out most lightweights.They were big shots and khan had no chance it was his own fault for walking in straight lines

[mattress]

I wonder what he'll choose!

:rofl

[The Chameleon Boxer]

Where has Amsterdam gone? Not seen him for a while. I would have expected to come out after the Khan fight.

[TommyV]

I wonder what he'll choose!

:rofl

Legend for bumping this topic.

[Alien]

What happened to Chinchecker Amsterdam?

[SugarRay1985]

Khans chin isnt as bad as some make out,although he cant hold a punch very well,ive never once seen him brush a clean shot off,ant clean punch that lands seems to have him in some sort of trouble,but at least he hasnt been banged unconscious.

[rooq]

What happened to Chinchecker Amsterdam?

Ask TFFP....
:yep

[kingfisher3]

khan's chin is like hearn's. some shots go straight to their legs but neither is glassjawed.

[WhamBam]

if you asked anyone back in 2007 that khan would full blown shots from maidana,judah and peterson people would have just laughed at you, his chin has improved phenomenally, i honestly believed kotelnik and berrara would stop him.

[slip&counter]

if you asked anyone back in 2007 that khan would full blown shots from maidana,judah and peterson people would have just laughed at you, his chin has improved phenomenally, i honestly believed kotelnik and berrara would stop him.

I thought both of those fights were easy to call. WhamBam thank you ma'am, money in the bank (no hindsight job).

[BlackBrenny]

Khans chin isnt as bad as some make out,although he cant hold a punch very well,ive never once seen him brush a clean shot off,ant clean punch that lands seems to have him in some sort of trouble,but at least he hasnt been banged unconscious.

Amsterdam must be credited with questioning Khans chin even before the Limond incident, I don't buy into this "chinchecker science" shit, but he said Khan had a bad chin, people said "wtf makes you think that?" he said "there's a science to it, trust me, he's chinny" only THEN Khan almost got blitzed by Limmond...then there was Gomez...then there was Prescott.

Yeah Khans chin has improved immensely, but Amsterdam got it bang on the money back then and barely ANYBODY believed him

as for not being banged unconscious..he may as well have been against prescott, that was practically as unconscious as it gets without being asleep.

[WalletInspector]

he said Khan had a bad chin, people said "wtf makes you think that?" he said "there's a science to it, trust me, he's chinny" only THEN Khan almost got blitzed by Limmond...then there was Gomez...then there was Prescott.

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[dftaylor]

Also, there was the fact Frank never put him near a puncher until Prescott and there were lots of stories of him getting wobbled in sparring.

[TFFP]

Ask TFFP....
:yep

Someone had to keep the Amsterdam rumor mill ticking over, thank you kind sir :happy

[BlackBrenny]

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yeah but getting floored by watson who is a decent puncher, in the ams is different than getting floored for the ten count by limmond, and its not like it was a flash KD or anything, khan was HURT.

[BlackBrenny]

Also, there was the fact Frank never put him near a puncher until Prescott and there were lots of stories of him getting wobbled in sparring.

James Slater already wrote an article about that on this very site a few years back, citing Khans oppositions lack of KO power, and wondered if it was because ****** was worried about Khans chin.

[icemax]

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Who won that fight? Its a rhetorical question BTW :deal

[WalletInspector]

Craig was robbed... :yep