If Pavlik has beat Hopkins??? Would Calzaghe of retired.

[robpalmer135]

A fight at 170lbs would of been massive. Would of probably happend around now..

[Dan684]

Yeah because Pavlik would have been a prime fighter :-)

I dont know but in all honesty it seems Calzaghe's mind was made up before the Jones fight which is why he took the easy way out. He obviously didn't want to do it no more and figured he'd take the easy fight for the most money and walk.If he wasn't interested in training then fair play to him

[Losfer_Words]

Yeah because Pavlik would have been a prime fighter :-)

I dont know but in all honesty it seems Calzaghe's mind was made up before the Jones fight which is why he took the easy way out. He obviously didn't want to do it no more and figured he'd take the easy fight for the most money and walk.If he wasn't interested in training then fair play to him

:goodI was gutted when JC chose RJJ for his final fight. Had JC taken the fight with Pavlik- and did what B-Hop did to him- then what a perfect way to bow out of the sport. An awful shame we were robbed of that prospect, though. Honestly, I still maintan that JC got out of the sport at the best time.

[Evil Rich]

Yeah because Pavlik would have been a prime fighter :-)

I dont know but in all honesty it seems Calzaghe's mind was made up before the Jones fight which is why he took the easy way out. He obviously didn't want to do it no more and figured he'd take the easy fight for the most money and walk.If he wasn't interested in training then fair play to him

Seemed that way in the 24/7 to me, Joe didn't seem to be pushing himself at all like you see in most 24/7's. I think Joe had grown tired of the respect that was never coming and just being a little sick of boxing in general (madness I know!) had decided it was time to call it a day. I think otherwise he would have fought Froch already, a champion which style would greatly compliment Joe where he could easily walk to a UD imo. I think like most, Calzaghe is done with boxing and sadly for good.

[Dan684]

Evil and Losfer, whilst I dont rate Calzaghe as highly as yourself I genuinely agree that if his heart wasn't in in there was no point fighting on. If I were in his shoes and a fight against a big name like RJJ (who was well past his prime and easily beatable) arose, I would definately take it.

[Jeff Young]

well look at jeff lacy......lacy was highly regarded at the time Joe fought him.....and now everybody has seen lacy more and more and has concluded he was clearly overrated, the version that fought calzaghe.....

It doesnt matter to Joe if pavlik would have beat hopkins......calzaghe is primarily concerned with the magic "O" he has....even though his resume is mostly garbage IMO for a guy who is 46-0 he fought big names that were past there primes....eubank, hopkins, and jones.....and fought a overrated lacy.......and his best win kessler is not looking so hot do to kessler staying in-active........

Joe could carless.....his "0" is what he thinks historywill judge him by, same with mayweather....

[Losfer_Words]

Evil and Losfer, whilst I dont rate Calzaghe as highly as yourself I genuinely agree that if his heart wasn't in in there was no point fighting on. If I were in his shoes and a fight against a big name like RJJ (who was well past his prime and easily beatable) arose, I would definately take it.

Yep. You've gotta remember JC saying as soon as he finished the fight with Kessler that he wanted to make some megabucks and then bow out of the sport, though. With that in mind, his heart was obviously not in the sport anymore to be saying things like that. Personally, I dont think B-Hop is shot but the RJJ fight was a bit of a cop-out on JC's part, IMO. Deep down JC knew that something would have to go massively wrong for him to have lost that fight.

[Dan684]

Yep spot on. Like Evil said he didn't really seem to have that intensity during the build up to the fight and was more interested in trying to promote the fight and show off than training. When Calzaghe used to train, i'll give him his dues he trained hard and he did it away from the spotlight. For this he was flying around the world (must have caught the bug :-)) and doing sessions of the most ridiculous shadow boxing known to man, whereas normally he'd be at it hard in Newbridge. Blatantly obvious it would be his last fight and will remain to be just that. Think he'll knock the promoting on the head too now considering he made a loss on his first show and cancelled his second due to the current ecomic climate. Add this to the fact that he may not get his money from Franky boy for a while seems to settle things for me

[kosaros]

Yep spot on. Like Evil said he didn't really seem to have that intensity during the build up to the fight and was more interested in trying to promote the fight and show off than training. When Calzaghe used to train, i'll give him his dues he trained hard and he did it away from the spotlight. For this he was flying around the world (must have caught the bug :-)) and doing sessions of the most ridiculous shadow boxing known to man, whereas normally he'd be at it hard in Newbridge. Blatantly obvious it would be his last fight and will remain to be just that. Think he'll knock the promoting on the head too now considering he made a loss on his first show and cancelled his second due to the current ecomic climate. Add this to the fact that he may not get his money from Franky boy for a while seems to settle things for me

Plus it seemed he spent more time sorting his hair out:

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What the fuck is that? :lol:

[Dan684]

He looks like one of the De Greco's off fucking Eastenders.... And whilst we're on this point since when was waering Kappa tracksuits post 1997 acceptable ???

[Jeff Young]

Plus it seemed he spent more time sorting his hair out:

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What the fuck is that? :lol:

jo emma loves it though....or his bank account....:lol::D

[icemax]

Add this to the fact that he may not get his money from Franky boy for a while seems to settle things for me

To be honest he is not likely to get any money off of Frank, and this is the reason I think that we will see him in the ring again.

[Losfer_Words]

He looks like one of the De Greco's off fucking Eastenders.... And whilst we're on this point since when was waering Kappa tracksuits post 1997 acceptable ???

Got in on a piece of advertising, though! Remember Pony and Lotto as well? JC's keeping it old school with his haircut and sponsors!

[Dan684]

Sorry Ice I was saying the money he doesn't recieve will put an end to his PROMOTIONAL career. Nice avatar by the way. RIP

[icemax]

Sorry Ice I was saying the money he doesn't recieve will put an end to his PROMOTIONAL career.

Thanks for the clarification

Nice avatar by the way. RIP

:thumbsup Dead four weeks out of training, poor fucker

[kosaros]

Plus it seemed he spent more time sorting his hair out:

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What the fuck is that? :lol:

When I think about it, I think Calzaghe was going for the scary vampire look:

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[Dan684]

Kappa is not old school it was only popular circa late 90's and was only really worn by dossers and you tennage mums (popper tracksuit bottoms made for easy access :-)) Now Pony..... Thats a different matter, that WAS old school. Think i'm gonna buy some Pony trainers-which were more like ankle boots- and finish it off with a nice Naf Naf jumper :-)

[Dan684]

Ice - Yep real sad mate. Just left the Army last year and had a few close friends pass whilst on tour, heart goes out to anyones family in that situation.

[Jeff Young]

To be honest he is not likely to get any money off of Frank, and this is the reason I think that we will see him in the ring again.

do you really think he would come out? and against who?.....joe is done

[neil hibbert]

was a shocking haircut that

[icemax]

Ice - Yep real sad mate. Just left the Army last year and had a few close friends pass whilst on tour, heart goes out to anyones family in that situation.

I thought it was tough at the time but Northern Ireland in the 80's and 1st GW were strolls in the park compared to the present situation in Afghanistan...congrats in getting out in one piece :good

[Dan684]

Cheers pal

[icemax]

do you really think he would come out? and against who?.....joe is done

I hope that you are right and Cal doesn't bother coming back, but I really wouldn't be surprised if we saw either Jones or Nard gracing the Millenium Stadium.

[Flea Man]

He looks like one of the De Greco's off fucking Eastenders.... And whilst we're on this point since when was waering Kappa tracksuits post 1997 acceptable ???


I remember when I was a bairn they were THE must-have item.......proper expensive too, like Lacoste tracksuits now !

And that hair-do was poooooor......and Jo-Emma is fuckin mingin lol

[Losfer_Words]

Kappa is not old school it was only popular circa late 90's and was only really worn by dossers and you tennage mums (popper tracksuit bottoms made for easy access :-)) Now Pony..... Thats a different matter, that WAS old school. Think i'm gonna buy some Pony trainers-which were more like ankle boots- and finish it off with a nice Naf Naf jumper :-)

Remember Bull Boys as well? Now that is old school.:lol:

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[Bodysnatcher]

Calzaghe's decision to fight RJJ instead of Pavlik in late 2008 lessened him in my eyes.

Before, I'd always believed that Calzaghe couldn't get the big fights because of American networks, Frank ******, being ducked etc.

But he had HBO support to fight Pavlik, Pavlik wanted the fight, ****** met with Arum to discuss the fight...

And Calzaghe avoids the fight.

A victory against an undefeated Pavlik would have ranked alongside his big wins of Kessler, Eubank, Lacy and B-Hop.

As a Calzaghe fan, I felt let down.

[radab]

Calzaghe's decision to fight RJJ instead of Pavlik in late 2008 lessened him in my eyes.

Before, I'd always believed that Calzaghe couldn't get the big fights because of American networks, Frank ******, being ducked etc.

But he had HBO support to fight Pavlik, Pavlik wanted the fight, ****** met with Arum to discuss the fight...

And Calzaghe avoids the fight.

A victory against an undefeated Pavlik would have ranked alongside his big wins of Kessler, Eubank, Lacy and B-Hop.

As a Calzaghe fan, I felt let down.




Me too. I love Calzaghe, but his blatant ducking of Pavlik was really disappointing

[El Cepillo]

I approve of this question :good

[El Cepillo]

Plus it seemed he spent more time sorting his hair out:

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What the fuck is that? :lol:

Wow, that picture pretty much sums up exactly how much malice and aggression those two had towards each other. I.e, none.

[icemax]

Wow, that picture pretty much sums up exactly how much malice and aggression those two had towards each other. I.e, none.

Roy looks as old as fuck

[El Cepillo]

Roy looks as old as fuck

Yeah I noticed his chin was all saggy and stuff, should have hung them up years ago.

[icemax]

Yeah I noticed his chin was all saggy and stuff, should have hung them up years ago.

:good

[Grant1]

No, I think he would have fought Pavlik.

As it is, with Pavlik getting schooled, I dont think it takes that much away from him.

[toffeejack]

I think he would have fought Pavlik but after the complete schooling that Hopkins gave him then there was nobody left after that.

He made a big mistake in facing Jones instead of Pavlik though, I defend Joe a lot on here but he deserves the criticism for not taking that fight. It would certainly have given him more respect especiallly with the Americans and most people could see that stylistically Pavlik would have took a beating off him.

[dan-b]

No, I think he would have fought Pavlik.

As it is, with Pavlik getting schooled, I dont think it takes that much away from him.

In my opinion it does. Joe could have taken the risk against an unbeaten figther and got the credit. Instead he chose the showboating cringefest against a shot fighter.

[icemax]

Pre Calzaghe he was the 168lb Tyson after Joe schooled him he was a bum.



I hate the word "bum", but since the Calzaghe fight this has pretty much been the case.

[Bodysnatcher]

In my opinion it does. Joe could have taken the risk against an unbeaten figther and got the credit. Instead he chose the showboating cringefest against a shot fighter.

Exactly right.

[Smith]

This thread is null and void as Kelly would have never beaten Bernard in a million years, I could not believe the amount of people backing him back then or even again those who still consider it a shock, what are these 'experts' thinking?

[El Cepillo]

My friend has pics of them getting drunk with each other and Stallone at the after party.

I will get him to mail me them.

I'd love to see them

[warrior85]

had pavlik beat hopkins,joe woulda fought him & destroyed worse than b-hop did