Nathan Cleverly. How do you rate him.

[crespo21]

Cleverly seems to be progressing quite well in a Frank ****** kind of way.
How do you see him in the future.
He had problems with power but now he is getting older and filling out a bit he is getting some KOs.
What does the future hold for Nathan Cleverly.:huh

[Bodysnatcher]

Seemed like he might be getting KOs 'cos he had a run of Afro-bums.

But he is young and I guess the power could be coming through.

[Mandanda]

while he keeps fighting africans and guys with two years of boxing experience he's a world beater.

[crespo21]

Seemed like he might be getting KOs 'cos he had a run of Afro-bums.

But he is young and I guess the power could be coming through.

True. I would like to see him push on a bit and get some proven opposition under his belt.
I hope ****** doesnt hold him back.
The kid has ability and it will be interesting if he is starting to get a bit of power behind him now.

[Losfer_Words]

I like Cleverly. Good tools and as you state, crespo, he's improving in an area in which his game needed improving. I think ****** is set on giving him the old school apprenticeship of British, Commonwealth and European which is a proven method of bringing fighters on. We shall see how good he is- I reckon at worst he's got the potential to be a very good European level fighter. LHW is a pretty dead weight on the international stage at the moment so we shall see what will end up happening with him.

[GazOC]

If he can fill out as he matures and develop extra power without having to move to Cruiserweight then I think he's a decent prospect. Not world title level but world class/ Euro.

[PrideOfWales]

I once saw Cleverley get bashed around the ring by Joey Vegas at SMW and he was lucky not to get knocked down. Seriously lucky. Vegas was able to hit and hurt Cleverley. There was a fight before that too where he was rocked. I don't know if making the weight was a problem for him at the time but I think his chin is a little on the shaky side which is why he's not been in with a puncher yet.

[Bodysnatcher]

What's this MacIntosh like?

I saw him spark a guy in 1 round on ITV last year, not a lot to go on (er, although obviously he showed some power!).

Any chance of beating Cleverly?

[crespo21]

I think ****** needs to start upping the level of who he faces as he is in danger of stagnating.
I really think he could do something at light heavy and as has been pointed out there is not much in the way of tallent at light heavy at a domestic level.
The boy needs to push on.

[crespo21]

I once saw Cleverley get bashed around the ring by Joey Vegas at SMW and he was lucky not to get knocked down. Seriously lucky. Vegas was able to hit and hurt Cleverley. There was a fight before that too where he was rocked. I don't know if making the weight was a problem for him at the time but I think his chin is a little on the shaky side which is why he's not been in with a puncher yet.

I think he was busting his balls making weight for SMW.
He is bloody tall.

[GazOC]

What's this MacIntosh like?

I saw him spark a guy in 1 round on ITV last year, not a lot to go on (er, although obviously he showed some power!).

Any chance of beating Cleverly?

Unless mcIntosh improves I can't see him beating Cleverly. Cleverly is the much better boxer at the moment, McIntosh is pretty crude TBH.

[Lee Mc]

Cleverly seems to be progressing quite well in a Frank ****** kind of way.
How do you see him in the future.
He had problems with power but now he is getting older and filling out a bit he is getting some KOs.
What does the future hold for Nathan Cleverly.:huh


I rate him highly. He has good footwork combined with what appears to be a good reportoire of punches but I'd like to see him in a competitive fight. Maybe McIntosh will provide that...

[TFFP]

He's up there with any of the prospects technically.

The only doubts I have him for him are physically and mentallly. I'm unsure about his punch resistance, durability, and how he reacts in adversity. Mainly because he's not fought any big punchers, or really top fighters in general.

He should box the head off McIntosh who mostly trades on handspeed and awkwardness. Clev's got speed, probably more, difference is he has a high output and great variety whereas McIntosh is a lunger.

[royalt0208]

I'm not too worried by who he has been facing recently even though it has been some very poor opposition. You have to remember he has only had 16 fights and is only 22 so he is inexperienced and I would say he is still physically immature.
As long as he is being trained hard and actually prepared for when he is going to have to go 12 rounds against top opposition I am happy with his progress. If he gets past McIntosh I would like to see him against the Aussie Tim Bell, I haven't seen him fight but he is ranked #9 by the WBA and less prominantly at #30 by the WBC so it would give him a nice boost to his rankings. But what I like other then his ranking is that he is experienced but would be a very winable fight for Nathan. After that maybe one last fight at British Level against a winner of title eliminator of Darren Stubbs-Courtney Fry. Then if he gets through those 3 fights comfortably he could take a step up to either European or World Level.

[slip&counter]

cleverly is a good prospect but doesn't do anything that screams at you, can't really see anything i adore about him in terms of his skills, he's a solid euro level fighter though and might be a late developer i'm cool with his opposition so far.

mcintosh's style is a disgrace, he has no fundamentals, just grotesque to watch, he tries to bumb you out with almost every shot, fights of the wrong foot and looks like a kickboxer to me squares up with chin in the air, cleverly should really school him

[icemax]

mcintosh's style is a disgrace, he has no fundamentals, just grotesque to watch, he tries to bumb you out with almost every shot, fights of the wrong foot and looks like a kickboxer to me squares up with chin in the air, cleverly should really school him

Should and will are poles apart...i've got a sneaking feeling that McIntosh may trouble Cleverly

[anjawnaymiz]

the fight with mcintosh should tell us a lot, although cleverly has the speed and skills mcintosh can bang a bit but is quite slow, nathan wins on paper but you never know there could be quite a few shakey moments.

[robpalmer135]

there is not domestic fight out here for him after McIntosh. Bellew, Jeffries, Groves or Sutherland if they end up at light heavy will not be challending for at least 1 or 2 years.

Maybe a fight with Ovil McEnzie would be good. After that he needs to got european.

[PrideOfWales]

Keep your eye on those WBO rankings..

[icemax]

Keep your eye on those WBO rankings..

:deal

[cityofgod]

He did well over a a shopworn Tony Oakey.

I like what i see, but am reserving judgement until he is in the trenches.

McIntosh is crude, but he is strong and will look to land bombs.

[slip&counter]

Should and will are poles apart...i've got a sneaking feeling that McIntosh may trouble Cleverly

ok so how does he trouble him then? break it down for us

mcintosh is a athletic guy who's in good shape, but that doesn't win fights
the guy is neanderthal in his approach, he's so fundamentally flawed if cleverly can't beat him then he might as well give up any hopes of going anywhere in this game

[SteelTownCobra]

I agree McIntosh shouldn't trouble Cleverly too much. He's a big strong lad but Cleverly should be a level above him really.

[robpalmer135]

If McIntosh troubles Cleverly he will struggle agaist Bellew who is a bigger puncher than McIntosh and a far superior fighter.

Clev beats DM via UD or TKO.

[icemax]

mcintosh is a athletic guy who's in good shape, but that doesn't win fights...........the guy is neanderthal in his approach

I said trouble, not win necessarily.

I think that you are over-egging it here...McIntosh isn't that bad a fighter, he is unorthodox rather than Neanderthal. I haven't seen how Cleverley reacts when he has been tagged because I don't think that he has been yet, not properly.... McIntosh with his unorthodox approach will catch him and then we will see how good Cleverly is. Its not science, there is no analysis required.

[TFFP]

I'll be disapointed if Clev can't stop McIntosh nevermind win. He's that much more skilled, he has the work-rate and accuracy, its time to prove his power against a non-Afrobum. Perfect chance for him.

[p.Townend]

He looks good,i thought he did well against Oakey and proved there that he is ready to move up a level.I think he has a bright future.

[slip&counter]

I said trouble, not win necessarily.

I think that you are over-egging it here...McIntosh isn't that bad a fighter, he is unorthodox rather than Neanderthal. I haven't seen how Cleverley reacts when he has been tagged because I don't think that he has been yet, not properly.... McIntosh with his unorthodox approach will catch him and then we will see how good Cleverly is. Its not science, there is no analysis required.

with all due respect i think you might be the one "over-egging" it, have you seen this guy fight? i can see why some people would get slightly confused and label him as unorthodox with the sugar coating of ingles style (switch hitting etc) but he's just a strong, athletic geezer lacking all the basics, he's got no set up, no head movement, very poor on the inside, sweet science to him is what adultery is to marriege. Now, cleverly is not exactly sweet pea reincarnated but he's fundamentally sound and its clear mcIntosh can't hold a candle to him.

[DGLASS JAW]

whats Nathans chin like?....danny's got some devastating power....IMO Nathan will skool him ...

[TFFP]

Nobody knows. Clev was shaken up a few times earlier in his career at 168lbs. Since he's gone to 175 he's barely been hit let alone shaken, unfortunately that has coincided with some rather questionable opposition. Oakey aside, who was never a puncher.

Still a question mark.

[PrideOfWales]

Nobody knows. Clev was shaken up a few times earlier in his career at 168lbs. Since he's gone to 175 he's barely been hit let alone shaken, unfortunately that has coincided with some rather questionable opposition. Oakey aside, who was never a puncher.

Still a question mark.

He has a shaky chin, no doubt about it. He's a KO waiting to happen.

[robpalmer135]

He has a shaky chin, no doubt about it. He's a KO waiting to happen.

One theory I have about young guy with skaky chins, a bit like Khan, is that there still boys.

I think to how strong I was when I was 18,19 compared to now at 23. You get natural man strentgh. The chin should improve with age.

[Harry Chibber]

He needs to work on his defence but has great speed for someone his size. I've enjoyed every fight he's been in which is a good sign though!