I can't wait for Calzaghe to get a big fight... you know why ?

[jaycuban]

To see him get his ass whoped, so that everyone of you will realize how much you guys are overating this guy

[Illmatic]

i actually think hes underrated in the US, hes a phenomenal talent, and he'll show it once more against Kessler.

[ThePlugInBabies]

the tag 'overrated' is thrown around way too much without little explanation. why is he overrated? what *****s do you see in his armour?

[China_hand_Joe]

If he got a fight with Hopkins or Taylor the dazzling performance would force you to become a Calzaghe fan forever.

[jaycuban]

the tag 'overrated' is thrown around way too much without little explanation. why is he overrated? what *****s do you see in his armour?

There are a bunch of fighters out there better than him, yet you guys talk trash about them all the time.

[ThePlugInBabies]

There are a bunch of fighters out there better than him, yet you guys talk trash about them all the time.ThePlugInBabies
the tag 'overrated' is thrown around way too much without little explanation. why is he overrated? what *****s do you see in his armour?


way to avoid the question. :roll:

[A-50]

To see him get his ass whoped, so that everyone of you will realize how much you guys are overating this guy

There is not 1 fighter 175 pounds or below in the World today that could beat Joe Calzaghe. Not One.

[PeterNielsen70]

To see him get his ass whoped, so that everyone of you will realize how much you guys are overating this guy

He is not overrated - but he will loose Nov. 3rd. So you don't have to wait that long...:bbb

[jaycuban]

He is not overrated - but he will loose Nov. 3rd. So you don't have to wait that long...:bbb

He has to beat Kessler, then if he gets Taylor... he is going to get his ass beat down just like B-Hop and the rest of them.

[ThePlugInBabies]

He has to beat Kessler, then if he gets Taylor... he is going to get his ass beat down just like B-Hop and the rest of them.

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you trying to tempt out amsterdamn?

calzaghe would brutally beat down on taylor. kessler and dawson are calzaghes biggest threats.

[China_hand_Joe]

calzaghe would brutally beat down on taylor. kessler and dawson are calzaghes biggest threats.
Potentially his only threats.

No shame in losing to them aged 35/36 though.

[Fab2333]

There is not 1 fighter 175 pounds or below in the World today that could beat Joe Calzaghe. Not One.

Dont talk so fast, while I am not personally a Calzaghe fan he does have decent skill. I think he is untested IMO. That belt he has he faced B&C class opposition while holding it.
175 pounds an under I think B-Hop can beat him, Taylor, Chad Dawson, Roy Jones could all beat him. I will give Calzaghe props if he beats Kessler, who is a young undefeated up and coming fighter. But 2 me this is his biggest fight of his career since he been champion, and Kessler isnt in the elite of the elite. He is a good fighter that i will give him credit for if he beats, but not an elite fighter. And for as many years as Calzaghe has had that belt for this b 2 b his biggest fight says somethin about him

[ThePlugInBabies]

b-hop - his inactivity in fights these days could cost him big time against the hyper active calzaghe.

roy jones jr - oh do me a favour, roy is shot to pieces, any decent 168-175 will take roy out these days.

[A-50]

Dont talk so fast, while I am not personally a Calzaghe fan he does have decent skill. I think he is untested IMO. That belt he has he faced B&C class opposition while holding it.
175 pounds an under I think B-Hop can beat him, Taylor, Chad Dawson, Roy Jones could all beat him. I will give Calzaghe props if he beats Kessler, who is a young undefeated up and coming fighter. But 2 me this is his biggest fight of his career since he been champion, and Kessler isnt in the elite of the elite. He is a good fighter that i will give him credit for if he beats, but not an elite fighter. And for as many years as Calzaghe has had that belt for this b 2 b his biggest fight says somethin about him


Roy Jones? LOL, Jones got knocked out for 8 minutes by Glen Johnson. Taylor? I will be shocked if Taylor beats Pavlik. You are grasping at straws here.

[Fab2333]

b-hop - his inactivity in fights these days could cost him big time against the hyper active calzaghe.

roy jones jr - oh do me a favour, roy is shot to pieces, any decent 168-175 will take roy out these days.

SO answer me this ? right a couple months back RJ offered to fight Calzaghe at 168, he would fight him in Wales, and give him the bigger split 60/40 to Calzaghe. And he turned it down why???
If evrything is in your favor why turn it down. jones offered to fight Calzaghe before and he never stepped up.
Common man his best opposition since he held that belt was IMO Eubank.
Lacy was overrated to me. He made a ppv title defense against Peter Manfredo wtf?
Common man not sayin dude dont have skill and cant box. but he is untested to me period

[Fab2333]

Roy Jones? LOL, Jones got knocked out for 8 minutes by Glen Johnson. Taylor? I will be shocked if Taylor beats Pavlik. You are grasping at straws here.

JT will win, Pavlik is overrated to me. Very easy to hit, head movement isnt all that great, foot movement isnt either, his punches get wild at times. JT twill redeem himself in the eyes of many after that fight.
Ok we shall see, since RJ has been fightin evry1 keep sayin he is going to lose, and when he wins makes excuses. We shall see, I hope someway some how they can get it on.

[ThePlugInBabies]

because it was after the mandfredo mess and calzaghe was looking for a real challenge, he gains very little in terms of legacy by beating on an old, physically worn jones jr. kessler is a much better fight for him, an actual test. not a worn out chinny former great. that's why.

fuck, lacy does more for his legacy than this version of roy.

[A-50]

JT will win, Pavlik is overrated to me. Very easy to hit, head movement isnt all that great, foot movement isnt either, his punches get wild at times. JT twill redeem himself in the eyes of many after that fight.
Ok we shall see, since RJ has been fightin evry1 keep sayin he is going to lose, and when he wins makes excuses. We shall see, I hope someway some how they can get it on.


Jones has been fighting nothing but bums. He is so scared to get hit now it is pathetic because he knows his Glass Jaw can't take it.

[A-50]

SO answer me this ? right a couple months back RJ offered to fight Calzaghe at 168, he would fight him in Wales, and give him the bigger split 60/40 to Calzaghe. And he turned it down why???
If evrything is in your favor why turn it down. jones offered to fight Calzaghe before and he never stepped up.
Common man his best opposition since he held that belt was IMO Eubank.
Lacy was overrated to me. He made a ppv title defense against Peter Manfredo wtf?
Common man not sayin dude dont have skill and cant box. but he is untested to me period


Wait a minute, Glass Jaw Roy Jones is in NO POSITION to offer anyone a fight. You really think Glass Jaw Roy was going to go over to Wales? LOL. Yeah right. :patsch

[ThePlugInBabies]

Ok we shall see, since RJ has been fightin evry1 keep sayin he is going to lose, and when he wins makes excuses. We shall see, I hope someway some how they can get it on.

since last losing to tarver, he has beaten amaju and hanshaw. he has hardly redeemed himself with those victories and proven he can still cut it with the bigger boys, and facing trinidad who will have been inactive for about 2 and a half years when they meet doesn't cut the mustard.

[Fab2333]

because it was after the mandfredo mess and calzaghe was looking for a real challenge, he gains very little in terms of legacy by beating on an old, physically worn jones jr. kessler is a much better fight for him, an actual test. not a worn out chinny former great. that's why.

fuck, lacy does more for his legacy than this version of roy.

Dude fought Manfredo and got lots of money for it. And didnt care, why cant he fight Jones for a lot of money and move on. People not gon give him bundles of credit for beating Manfredo, and he doesnt seem to care. Why not step up in competition and fight Jones. Despite Jones not being who he was, he is bette than Manfredo so I dont see the problem.
And thats the problem I have wit him and oter fighters. If people say he wont get any credit for beating this version of Jones you already think he is going to win, why not just beat his ass and get a nice check.
Same shit i wanted FLoyd to do with that bum Margarito, if people sayin you cant woop him, then just take the money and beat his ass to show people that he aint shit. Why dont Calzaghe do that?
Man offered to fight at 168 in Wales and give him the bigger split, but him and his team turned that down. You g2 b a damn fool 2 do that, or just scared of wat potentially could happen to him. a 1 poppin up in the L column

[Fab2333]

Wait a minute, Glass Jaw Roy Jones is in NO POSITION to offer anyone a fight. You really think Glass Jaw Roy was going to go over to Wales? LOL. Yeah right. :patsch

Well his camp proposed that deal to Calzaghe camp, dont kno if he was serious about it in his heartm being that im not him. BUt thats what he said so thats all I can go off.

[Fab2333]

What Elite fighters has he beaten since he had that belt, can somebody answer me that?
His bigget opposition who he fought since he had his belt was whom? give me there names?

[Boro chris]

SO answer me this ? right a couple months back RJ offered to fight Calzaghe at 168, he would fight him in Wales, and give him the bigger split 60/40 to Calzaghe. And he turned it down why???
If evrything is in your favor why turn it down. jones offered to fight Calzaghe before and he never stepped up.
Common man his best opposition since he held that belt was IMO Eubank.
Lacy was overrated to me. He made a ppv title defense against Peter Manfredo wtf?
Common man not sayin dude dont have skill and cant box. but he is untested to me period

He turned it down because Jones is shot and not a proper challenge anymore. Hopkins is past it as well and I'd be disapointed in Calzaghe if he took either of those fights. Kessler is a REAL threat and has a genuine chance of victory as he's a step above any other opponent from 160-175lbs (with the possible exception of Dawson)

[LeedsLad]

SO answer me this ? right a couple months back RJ offered to fight Calzaghe at 168, he would fight him in Wales, and give him the bigger split 60/40 to Calzaghe. And he turned it down why???
If evrything is in your favor why turn it down. jones offered to fight Calzaghe before and he never stepped up.
Common man his best opposition since he held that belt was IMO Eubank.
Lacy was overrated to me. He made a ppv title defense against Peter Manfredo wtf?
Common man not sayin dude dont have skill and cant box. but he is untested to me period

Jones is a no-win situation for Calzaghe. If Calzaghe wins, Jones was shot and everyone would start the 'If Jones was prime he'd beat him' bullshit. A couple of months back Roy offered Calzaghe a fight, you think thats a harder test than Kessler? Jones is shot and will lose to the first good fighter he faces, Kessler is a young, prime world-class fighter who would knock RJ out inside a couple of rounds. He took the much tougher/bigger fight.

[Fab2333]

He turned it down because Jones is shot and not a proper challenge anymore. Hopkins is past it as well and I'd be disapointed in Calzaghe if he took either of those fights. Kessler is a REAL threat and has a genuine chance of victory as he's a step above any other opponent from 160-175lbs (with the possible exception of Dawson)

But yet he didnt have a problem fighting Peter Manfredo Jr.:huh
If im Joe Calzaghe some1 offers me 60/40 in my favor, I can fight at my weight class. My opponent has to come down from 175 2 me. And I can fight in my backyard, + people saying that I could never beat him etc. F dat, im signing my opponents death wish. That 2 much good of a deal to pass up. He cant fight Jones b/c he is allegedly shot. Hopkins is old. But yet he can fight a Contender fighter in Manfredo for a belt and have no problem with that:huh Him nor his fans

[ThePlugInBabies]

jones offered calzaghe out AFTER calzaghe fought manfredo, that's why he wasn't interested. joe was after taylor at the time and couldn't get him, so got kessler instead.

[Fab2333]

Jones is a no-win situation for Calzaghe. If Calzaghe wins, Jones was shot and everyone would start the 'If Jones was prime he'd beat him' bullshit. A couple of months back Roy offered Calzaghe a fight, you think thats a harder test than Kessler? Jones is shot and will lose to the first good fighter he faces, Kessler is a young, prime world-class fighter who would knock RJ out inside a couple of rounds. He took the much tougher/bigger fight.

No Im not saying that he shouldnt fight Kessler, I agree this is a good fight for him, and if he wins I would b the 1st on here to say congrats, im not a hater or nothin. I will give props where it is do. All im sayin is that he is untested to me. As many years as Calzaghe held that belt, this is his 1st real test. And Kessler is a good young fighter, but still not an elite fighter yet. You dont think that says somethin about Calzaghe?
Man thats boxing, there is always xcuses, no1 ever gets the full respect they deserves.

[Boro chris]

What Elite fighters has he beaten since he had that belt, can somebody answer me that?
His bigget opposition who he fought since he had his belt was whom? give me there names?

Thats an entirely different question. Its a great tradegy that he hasn't fought more elite opponents as he has such supreme skills.
Lacey was supposed to be 'elite' but Joe beat him like a StarTrek fan and suddenly Lacey wasn't nearly as elite as we had been led to belive.
How much of it was Joe's fault,his opponents or just plain economics I don't know.

[Fab2333]

jones offered calzaghe out AFTER calzaghe fought manfredo, that's why he wasn't interested. joe was after taylor at the time and couldn't get him, so got kessler instead.

ok man we shall see. I just hope they can meet. SOmehow if not him
Cazaghe fights B-hop, or Taylor.

[Fab2333]

Thats an entirely different question. Its a great tradegy that he hasn't fought more elite opponents as he has such supreme skills.
Lacey was supposed to be 'elite' but Joe beat him like a StarTrek fan and suddenly Lacey wasn't nearly as elite as we had been led to belive.
How much of it was Joe's fault,his opponents or just plain economics I don't know.

ok thats a fair answer, at least you look at it not from just a fan point of view. I can respect that answer. But thats all im sayin, for the dudes he fought and how long he kept that belt, for this to b his biggest test says somethin about him IMO. Thats all I was saying.

[ThePlugInBabies]

if taylor loses to pavlik, calzaghe beats kessler, and then calzaghe decides to defend his 168 title against jermaine, he will get bagged for it for months and months and months, it will be brutal.

but why do you wish to see jones-calzaghe? it will be horribly one sided, jones is sadly a shadow of his former self.

[Fab2333]

sory not ppv you are right. my mistake

[Boro chris]

No Im not saying that he shouldnt fight Kessler, I agree this is a good fight for him, and if he wins I would b the 1st on here to say congrats, im not a hater or nothin. I will give props where it is do. All im sayin is that he is untested to me. As many years as Calzaghe held that belt, this is his 1st real test. And Kessler is a good young fighter, but still not an elite fighter yet. You dont think that says somethin about Calzaghe?
Man thats boxing, there is always xcuses, no1 ever gets the full respect they deserves.

Calzaghe has had many tough tests in his career, but against good opponents rather than elite ones. ie. Eubank,Brewer,Mitchel. Lacey was supposed to be one but wasn't.

[Fab2333]

if taylor loses to pavlik, calzaghe beats kessler, and then calzaghe decides to defend his 168 title against jermaine, he will get bagged for it for months and months and months, it will be brutal.

but why do you wish to see jones-calzaghe? it will be horribly one sided, jones is sadly a shadow of his former self.

you believe that, but I dont. People think RJ is shot I dont. I think would b a great fight.

[ThePlugInBabies]

what makes you think that? i'm not being an arse, just curious to know why you think roy can still cut it?

[Boro chris]

Calzaghe would get a right kicking for fighting Jones.And deservedly so.
IF he gets past Kessler then the only fights for him are the winner of Pavlik/Taylor-Dawson/Diaconu(spelling?).
Clinton Woods is a posibility because of the domestic interest.

[Executioner]

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[Fab2333]

what makes you think that? i'm not being an arse, just curious to know why you think roy can still cut it?

skill is why.
Cazaghe never been in there with some1 with the handspeed and power of RJ.
2 Me I think RJ is pulling a fast one on evry1, thats my personal belief. I think the whole layinmg on the ropes thing that he is doing now is to show people that the "bum rush" Roy thing wont work anymore. Now he fights effectively off the ropes as oppose 2 be4 he just stood there and got beat.
in Tarver vs. Jones 3 when people were saying Jones was shot from Glen Johnson.
ROy had his speed, headmovement, footmovement evrythig. I dont think you go from that to a couple of months l8ter now you cant move at all. Like I said this is my personal belief, and we will see in the coming months. I want to see what his plans are after he beats Trinidad. Since he would already b at 170 if he will mess around the 168 division

[LeedsLad]

No Im not saying that he shouldnt fight Kessler, I agree this is a good fight for him, and if he wins I would b the 1st on here to say congrats, im not a hater or nothin. I will give props where it is do. All im sayin is that he is untested to me. As many years as Calzaghe held that belt, this is his 1st real test. And Kessler is a good young fighter, but still not an elite fighter yet. You dont think that says somethin about Calzaghe?
Man thats boxing, there is always xcuses, no1 ever gets the full respect they deserves.

Calzaghe has a respectable resume, but his record doesnt match his talent at all. He hasnt fought the main fighters of his era, but its not ALL his fault. Jones, Hopkins etc were not the easiest to negotiate with, just like Calzaghe. Would beating Kessler, Hopkins and Dawson satisfy you?

[ThePlugInBabies]

He was grossly under-rated pre-Lacy, and is grossly over-rated post-Lacy

Kessler will beat him soundly

he'd still have smashed prime 'nige'. :yep

[Fab2333]

Calzaghe has a respectable resume, but his record doesnt match his talent at all. He hasnt fought the main fighters of his era, but its not ALL his fault. Jones, Hopkins etc were not the easiest to negotiate with, just like Calzaghe. Would beating Kessler, Hopkins and Dawson satisfy you?

of course like I said I will give props where it is due, im not hating on him. If he beats them I will give him his props most definately

[Snakefist]

I'm a Roy fan, after watching all his fights and seeing him against Toney, I'm going to say he is shot. Roy is coming towards 40 years of age. He is not a 1/3 of what he was when he fought Toney. Back then Roy didn't have trouble getting hit, more speed, had good movement, his legs weren't dead, and etc.

For those saying Jones has a glass jaw - nonsense. He took all tarvers punches in their first fight, took some good shots against Clinton Woods, and in this late stage of his career was hit repeatedly for 9 rounds by Johnson in order to be KO'd, repeatedly hit, he was broke down. I don't really think it is possible for a person with a glass jaw to become a champion. At some point within every fight they have they are going to get hit with a hard shot.

[Max Molyneux]

He has to beat Kessler, then if he gets Taylor... he is going to get his ass beat down just like B-Hop and the rest of them.

Any reason why he's overrated?

Taylor couldn't even beat Spinks clearly and Is too sluggish and just ok with straights, Calzaghe would batter Taylor.

Taylor doesn't even follow boxing much I read too.

[sonny73]

No Im not saying that he shouldnt fight Kessler, I agree this is a good fight for him, and if he wins I would b the 1st on here to say congrats, im not a hater or nothin. I will give props where it is do. All im sayin is that he is untested to me. As many years as Calzaghe held that belt, this is his 1st real test. And Kessler is a good young fighter, but still not an elite fighter yet. You dont think that says somethin about Calzaghe?
Man thats boxing, there is always xcuses, no1 ever gets the full respect they deserves.
I feel exactly the same about Mayweather all these years and only now he is fighting someone who is class and near his peak.

[Amsterdam]

He has to beat Kessler, then if he gets Taylor... he is going to get his ass beat down just like B-Hop and the rest of them.

Taylor is BETTER than Kessler?!!!:patsch

[Amsterdam]

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Some of these guys on here just amaze me. If you have him losing against Kessler or Dawson, it's reasonable to pick either of them, especially Kessler, who I believe is a level above most around the general 160-175 crop, even maybe a level above Joe at this point, though Joe has a wicked styles advantage that will do it for him.

But Taylor can barely handle little Winky Wright, yet he's going to move up and beat Calzaghe? He can barely handle a smaller southpaw with pressure and quick hands....

Absurdity. Shows how overrated some people are and how jaded boxing fans are.

[digiram]

He's gonna lose to Kessler.

[cdsimple]

In all honesty, we really dont know how overrated or underrated Calzaghe is because, as stated earlier, he's never been in with any elite fighters. We've seen him beat down c class fighters like manfredo, and beat up one dimensional fighters like lacy, but how would he fare with a hopkins or a young hungry skilled fighter like Kessler?

Of course all of his mad fans will predict him to win by blow out but alot of that is just them speaking from the love they have for the guy. Fact is, until he's tested, nobody really knows how good he is. Thats one reason why I would give Hopkins, Taylor, or even Jones Jr a shot at taking him down. These guys have been in there with elite comp, we know what they are about, but what can Joe do?