Will Khans chin get better with age??

[robpalmer135]

I think to how strong I was when I was 18,19 compared to now at 23. You get natural man strentgh. I went to the gym allot at that age, and I rarley go now, but when I do go I can lift heavier weights that at 18.

Surley punch resistence will also improve over time. If Carl Froch has been hit by Pascal when he was 20 he would of got KO'd??

I doubt Khan will ever have James Toneys whiskers but he will get a bit better right?

[Evil Rich]

I think to how strong I was when I was 18,19 compared to now at 23. You get natural man strentgh. I went to the gym allot at that age, and I rarley go now, but when I do go I can lift heavier weights that at 18.

Surley punch resistence will also improve over time. If Carl Froch has been hit by Pascal when he was 20 he would of got KO'd??

I doubt Khan will ever have James Toneys whiskers but he will get a bit better right?

I think he will always be easy to put on the canvas due to his chin, aside from the Prescott fight though I don't he ever actually looked massively hurt (maybe my memory is failing me, seems like forever since the Limond fight but I'm sure he bounced straight back up), the shots Prescott hit him with I think would of put mostly everyone to sleep. What will be interesting to me is just how much of a bang he can take and still get back up, weight training and growth should also help him it seemed that way for Manny.

[Losfer_Words]

'Man Strength'- I like that! I agree with you mate I think you physically mature a lot more when you hit early 20s. As for Khan, a bloke who is 5 feet 10 inches who is making lightweight is an accident waiting to happen in my eyes. We'll see how he does at LWW. At the end of the day, is it that big an issue? Plenty of boxers have been dropped badly over the years and still gone on to be successful.

[kosaros]

His leg and neck muscles may become better in helping him stay up, but your chin does not become better. In fact Khan's problem is getting hit on the top of the head, which really can not be turned around no matter what you do.

[icemax]

In fact Khan's problem is getting hit on the top of the head,

Which suggests one of two things 1/ He has deep seated neurological problems, 2/ He was dehydrated when he was decked

1 would be picked up in a scan (nothing untoward found) and 2 would be sorted by going up in weight...lets see what happens :good

[Boro chris]

"Better with age?"

Its not like he's a fine wine, more like Blossom Hill.

[trotter]

I think you also get a bit more experienced at handling being buzzed, and buying recovery time... Benn and Bruno seemed to

Khan's certainly getting plenty of practise, he'll be an expert in no time !

[Claypole]

He's obviously maturing physically, and I'm sure he'll be stronger at the higher weight, but I'm not so sure the chin will improve. Like Herbie Hide, he'll always be one glancing blow away from getting sparked.

I have a feeling Khan will get a rather unpleasant shock against Kotelnik. He's been found wanting at a lower level than this.....

[robpalmer135]

Which suggests one of two things 1/ He has deep seated neurological problems, 2/ He was dehydrated when he was decked

1 would be picked up in a scan (nothing untoward found) and 2 would be sorted by going up in weight...lets see what happens :good

lol

Moving up in weight will help. I think the more times you get hit the better your punch resistence gets.........until you get hit to much that is.

[The taff]

Its not his chin though really thats his problem, its his head. Most of his knockdowns have been due to him getting hit on the temple / side of head and not his chin?

[brown bomber]

I just think his boots were slippy.

[Losfer_Words]

I just think his boots were slippy.

It's all Reebok's fault.

[brown bomber]

It's all Reebok's fault.I think the increase in weight will help.... more pressure on the ground so therefore less chance of further slips.

[HairyHighlander]

:lol:

:smoke

[brown bomber]

I just think he's got a dodgy beard. Its a weakness but not an insurmountable one. De La Hoya was floored heavily by non-punchers at SF and moved up to prove he had a pretty good chin. Had Prescott have landed that shot on anyone they would have been in serious trouble. The fact that Khan was rocked by a jab was worrying but that could be as much to do with hydration as anything else. Khan will never be Marvin Hagler but the chin issue might be the making of him...

And he's not turned into a Vlad and stunk houses out. He's just gone out and looked to get them before they get him.

[pathmanc1986]

part of the problem is his posture when taking shots, hes straight up and stiff


also he really doesnt like to be punched if you understand me


as for getting better with age,maybe. he might mature and be getting more used to the sensation of a world class punch. then again this is presumption and we all know about them and fuck ups

[pathmanc1986]

I just think he's got a dodgy beard. Its a weakness but not an insurmountable one. De La Hoya was floored heavily by non-punchers at SF and moved up to prove he had a pretty good chin. Had Prescott have landed that shot on anyone they would have been in serious trouble. The fact that Khan was rocked by a jab was worrying but that could be as much to do with hydration as anything else. Khan will never be Marvin Hagler but the chin issue might be the making of him...

And he's not turned into a Vlad and stunk houses out. He's just gone out and looked to get them before they get him.


id forgotten about that jeff, i suppose that puts a new perspective on things:think

but he can fight in a manner that protects his chin however he may have to become a quite boring safety first fighter to do so. lesser of two evils i suppose!

[brown bomber]

id forgotten about that jeff, i suppose that puts a new perspective on things:think

but he can fight in a manner that protects his chin however he may have to become a quite boring safety first fighter to do so. lesser of two evils i suppose!I wouldn't be too worried about that chin... he is very fit and recovers fast, unless he meets a very good pressure fighter he will win nearly every time. At light welter i'd take Pac, Hatton, Campbell and Bradley to beat him but give him a good chance with most others. At lightweight there's a larger number of quality fighters who could beat him but most disasterous would be Juan Diaz and Marquez.

[Losfer_Words]

I wouldn't be too worried about that chin... he is very fit and recovers fast, unless he meets a very good pressure fighter he will win nearly every time. At light welter i'd take Pac, Hatton, Campbell and Bradley to beat him but give him a good chance with most others. At lightweight there's a larger number of quality fighters who could beat him but most disasterous would be Juan Diaz and Marquez.

Bradley is one dimensional and, IMO, massively overrated. I like the way he wants to take on all comers but he's gonna get found out soon; for my money, by Nate. As for Khan against the best in the division, let's see if he beats Kotelnik first!

[pathmanc1986]

I wouldn't be too worried about that chin... he is very fit and recovers fast, unless he meets a very good pressure fighter he will win nearly every time. At light welter i'd take Pac, Hatton, Campbell and Bradley to beat him but give him a good chance with most others. At lightweight there's a larger number of quality fighters who could beat him but most disasterous would be Juan Diaz and Marquez.


re-watched their fight last night, the intensity and quality was breathtaking imo

at lightweight also possibly valero, katsidis and maybe romanov, i like him


at light-welter, those that you mentioned and youve gotta put maidana in there and maybe guzman (but who the hell knows watsup with him)


how do you see the kotelnik fight playing out jeff?

[brown bomber]

how do you see the kotelnik fight playing out jeff?Khan UD very easy.... what do you think mate?

[pathmanc1986]

Khan UD very easy.... what do you think mate?




sorry i meant the actual fight round by round.....Khan comes out fast moving to his right with some flashy scoring combos......by about 5/6 the pace slows a bit and kotelnik closes the distance a bit landing some body shots. rounds 7/8/9 are close with the pace slowing and both fighters (as they have been known to do) pick up the pace in hte last 45 secs to steal the rounds


10/11 khan is stung and from there..............??????? im not sure. with freddie roach keeping him focused on the plan and a home crowd he could dart in and out and have 2/3 good flurries to take the last 2.

then again do you think maidanas v ortiz performance puts a new perspective on things?:think he was put down 3 times all the same.....confusion!:patsch

[Losfer_Words]

I watched a sports science thing on Discovery and they talked about a fighters ability to take a shot.

This Professor guy said that it depends on the amount of fluid around the brain stem. Too little and the brain will hit bone and shut down. If you have a lot of fluid surrounding the stem it acts like a cushion.

Might be wrong but he was a German scientist so he probably right.

The fact that he's German means he must be right! Icemax has already touched on this- you are right, dehydration is obviously a problem and, as I've said, the bloke was a monster for lightweight and, IMO, an accident waiting to happen at the weight. I'm really looking forward to seeing how he fares at LWW.

[izmat]

It could improve as he goes up in weight.
A young Pacman got knocked down by a jab once and look at him now.Apparently he used conditioning methods from other martial arts to improve his punch resistance.

Not sure if that will work for Khan but he can always improve on his defence and fight smarter when he gets hurt.

[dan-b]

I think we read too much into all this chin stuff. Granted some people can take punches better than others but the human body was never designed to absorb damage inflicted by trained punchers.

[mughalmirza786]

It could improve as he goes up in weight.
A young Pacman got knocked down by a jab once and look at him now.Apparently he used conditioning methods from other martial arts to improve his punch resistance.

Not sure if that will work for Khan but he can always improve on his defence and fight smarter when he gets hurt.

The nedal knockdown was legit. Pacquiao seems to have improved his punch resistance, marquez hit him with monster shots in their two fights and couldnt drop him. I have a theory about pacquiaos punch resistance though, roach refers to the 'bobble head technique'. Basically pacquiaos neck muscles are so relaxed, flexible and strong that they absorb the impact of punches thrown more than actual brain stem fluid. Look closely at the times manny has been punched hard especially in the second marquez fight. His neck is always relaxed and his head head acts like a bobble on a spring deflecting the impact of punches.

I believe tests were carried out on marvin haglers head and doctors found that his skull structure was thicker than an average male and he had more brain fluid cushioning his brain.

I think the most succesful method for increasing amir khans punch resistance is firstly, plenty of rough sparring from heavy hitters. Secondly, monitor khans weight as he matures. His physical prime should be around 26-28 as his body is still developing. Ask any dentist and he'll tell you that khans facial structure is developing. Finally Amir khan should constantly move his head and relax his shoulders and neck.

If anyone wants to test the bobble head theory try sparring with your neck muscles tensed and see how much impact a jab makes and then spar with totally relaxed neck and shoulder muscles. I know this works because i spar myself. Your foremarms and hands should be tensed when blocking or punching.

[icemax]

If anyone wants to test the bobble head theory try sparring with your neck muscles tensed and see how much impact a jab makes and then spar with totally relaxed neck and shoulder muscles. I know this works because i spar myself. Your foremarms and hands should be tensed when blocking or punching.

Thanks, I'll try it on the kids tonight :good...it actually sounds like an interesting theory

[felix]

Thanks, I'll try it on the kids tonight :good...it actually sounds like an interesting theory
kids??? are you stupid. my nans been doing my head in for a while, time to make her useful.

[Gazmac81]

i agree with the Plenty of Rough sparring comment should help Khans Chin
i always though that with the amateur style of in and out without taking any punches means that when they do take a heavy shot there not used to it.

Look at most of the journeymen out there getting battered from post to post , they can soak it up and take some monster shots from prospects.

[kieron]

Hydration is a massive factor. I'm convinced that the main reason we see less serious brain injuries now than we did 15years ago is due to ditching same day weigh-ins as guys would boil down and not have sufficient time to rehydrate before fighting. I think there is also a kin of technique to taking a punch. A slight movement with a relaxed neck in the same direction as the punch can really take the sting out of it. In honesty a combination of everything that's been mentioned will certainly help but not sure he's there yet

[Undisputed P4P]

when winky wright was young he had a very bad chin, the guy had no punch resistance at all. he sorted it out by becoming a very good defensive technician. once his confidence was orite then his chin slowly began to improve. i saw him getting dropped 5 times in a fight, and then when he fought shane mosley he dropped his hands and got hit but it didn't shake him.

[brown bomber]

when winky wright was young he had a very bad chin, the guy had no punch resistance at all. he sorted it out by becoming a very good defensive technician. once his confidence was orite then his chin slowly began to improve. i saw him getting dropped 5 times in a fight, and then when he fought shane mosley he dropped his hands and got hit but it didn't shake him.Wright has only ever been on the floor against Vasquez.... three were slips. He wasn't prolifically weak chinned.

[UndisputedUK]

Wright has only ever been on the floor against Vasquez.... three were slips. He wasn't prolifically weak chinned.

JC Vasquez had remarkable punch quality. Going down to him but getting back up is no indicator of a weak chin. The guy had one punch KO power which boxrec may or may not suggest.

[UndisputedUK]

Khan is extremely vulnerable... end of story.

[janitor]

The historical perspective:

It is certainly possible that Khan's chin will improve considerably based on what has happened to previous fighters.

It is also possible that it wont.

We will just have to wait and see.

[dan-b]

If your`e job is determined on giving and taking punches then having a chin can make all the difference.

Not the point I was making at all.

[brown bomber]

JC Vasquez had remarkable punch quality. Going down to him but getting back up is no indicator of a weak chin. The guy had one punch KO power which boxrec may or may not suggest.Carl Danials.

[Rangersfan1982]

No

[icemax]

kids??? are you stupid. my nans been doing my head in for a while, time to make her useful.

:yep:yep

[mughalmirza786]

If your`e job is determined on giving and taking punches then having a chin can make all the difference.

I thought boxing was about hitting and not getting hit not receiving punches?

[margo82]

Khan should be allowed to wear a spaz helmet like Petr Cech.

[icemax]

Khan should be allowed to wear a spaz helmet like Petr Cech.

Why ??

[GazOC]

I thought boxing was about hitting and not getting hit not receiving punches?

But it does tend to be an occupational hazzard....;)

[margo82]

Why ??

To help his glass temple.

[icemax]

To help his glass temple.

Oh, OK :-(

[margo82]

I e mailed the BBBofC about it, they never got back to me. Cunts.

[icemax]

I e mailed the BBBofC about it, they never got back to me. Cunts.

They might have thought that you were joking

[izmat]

It could improve as he goes up in weight.
A young Pacman got knocked down by a jab once and look at him now.Apparently he used conditioning methods from other martial arts to improve his punch resistance.

Not sure if that will work for Khan but he can always improve on his defence and fight smarter when he gets hurt.

:deal

[mugen82]

:deal

why you brownie points seeking so and so :lol:... but yea, seriously i thought going up in weight would help, but never anything like wat happened, i still cant beleive how he stayed standing, even tho he was like :!: :silly at the end of it, but beats being :dead :tired lol

[izmat]

why you brownie points seeking so and so :lol:... but yea, seriously i thought going up in weight would help, but never anything like wat happened, i still cant beleive how he stayed standing, even tho he was like :!: :silly at the end of it, but beats being :dead :tired lol

yeah i'm enjoying this but it was fun to read the views on this thread

[kirky c]

i dont think a chin can get better. you can work on your neck like tyson all you want but when that button gets hit it dont matter. what khan needs to do is not just rely on his quick feet so much and learn to keep his arms tighter when throwing an not be so open. one day a good pressure fighter will catch up with him. imagine if cotto had him against the ropes.