UFC fighters vs. Boxers : Who wins?

[Kurdapyo]

Who wins?

To give you a preview, in the UFC I saw last night, a jujitsu fight named Royce Gracie put his opponents (a boxer and a karate/kick fighter) into submission to win the championship.

[Hatesrats]

What is this?
2 different sports.

If your talking about a street fight?
I'd say whoever lands first probably.

Step your game up if you just came up on Royce tho...lol
Danm! about more than decade late...

[Simple100]

who ever lands a clean shot will be the winner but I like the stamina of a boxer.

[boxingcar]

You saw what happened in the Mercer vs Sylvia fight right ?
Or what happened in the Mercer vs Kimbo fight...

it should answer this question...

Obviously if the mma fighter is dumb enough to play a boxer's own game....no matter the rules , he'll get fucked.

But if the mma fighter takes advantage of what he does best....a boxer is fucked... And you don't even need a top mma fighter to get the job done...even a bum can do it...

The irony is that Sylvia was actually ranked...and still got owned...but the poor guy was dumb as shit. He could've played a safe game and take the damn guy on the ground , hell even just lay and pray...but noooo.

Can you believe this shit ? even kimbo fucking slice did it...KIMBO for fuck sake.

[Dave_j1985]

You saw what happened in the Mercer vs Sylvia fight right ?
Or what happened in the Mercer vs Kimbo fight...

it should answer this question...

Obviously if the mma fighter is dumb enough to play a boxer's own game....no matter the rules , he'll get fucked.

But if the mma fighter takes advantage of what he does best....a boxer is fucked... And you don't even need a top mma fighter to get the job done...even a bum can do it...

The irony is that Sylvia was actually ranked...and still got owned...but the poor guy was dumb as shit. He could've played a safe game and take the damn guy on the ground , hell even just lay and pray...but noooo.

Can you believe this shit ? even kimbo fucking slice did it...KIMBO for fuck sake.


Not voting, I agree with boxingcar...

[boxsensei]

There's no definitive answer. Both fighters have a shot. However if you put 10 elite boxers in with 10 elite UFC guys, I would favor the boxer the majority of the fights.

[elixirvtec]

There's no definitive answer. Both fighters have a shot. However if you put 10 elite boxers in with 10 elite UFC guys, I would favor the boxer the majority of the fights.



it depends on the rules. in a street fight. 100% elite ufc fighter. boxer only have 1 weapon. one thing is for sure. An elite kick boxer will destroy the best boxer in the world. Many many boxers have try to transition to k-1 and not get anywhere.

a ufc fighter has everything the boxer has plus much much more. Do u realize how easy it is to take a boxer to the ground. He can't do anything there. A boxer his hands and nothing else. Its like bringing a pocket knife to a sword fight.

[berserkafied]

Who wins?

To give you a preview, in the UFC I saw last night, a jujitsu fight named Royce Gracie put his opponents (a boxer and a karate/kick fighter) into submission to win the championship.

In a boxing match an elite boxer wins
In a MMA match an elite MMA fighter wins
In Tennis match the elite MMA guy wins because he's better at tennis

[boxsensei]

it depends on the rules. in a street fight. 100% elite ufc fighter. boxer only have 1 weapon. one thing is for sure. An elite kick boxer will destroy the best boxer in the world. Many many boxers have try to transition to k-1 and not get anywhere.

a ufc fighter has everything the boxer has plus much much more. Do u realize how easy it is to take a boxer to the ground. He can't do anything there. A boxer his hands and nothing else. Its like bringing a pocket knife to a sword fight.

You keep saying a boxer only has one weapon, but thats all you need. A person with one gun can kill a person who has 2 or 3 guns if he's a better marksman. Boxers have one form of attack yes, but they are sharp, fast accurate and precise with it. MMA guys train in more forms of combat, but they aren'teven close to being Masters of any of them and as such there movements are sloppy. An elite boxer can easily destroy a kickboxer or an MMA guy. Look at chuck liddell. here's a guy who dominated for years throwing slow looping punches. MMA is light years behind.

[Freakzilla]

This has been settled more then 15 years ago in the first few UFC episodes.
Good UFC fighter is far superior than good boxer, when it comes to freestyle fights.

Hardly.

Royce Gracie was one of the top BJJ guys in the world, and he beat a no mark journeyman boxer...hardly proves BJJ was better than boxing to me

Had he beaten Roy Jones Jr (the p4p best boxer at the time and who was a similar weight) then i could agree with you.

[Freakzilla]

Just to add, no elite boxer has ever competed in MMA...and they never will because they can make a shit load more money boxing than the comparative peanuts the UFC would pay them.

So this argument will never be resolved

[ufoalf]

You keep saying a boxer only has one weapon, but thats all you need. A person with one gun can kill a person who has 2 or 3 guns if he's a better marksman. Boxers have one form of attack yes, but they are sharp, fast accurate and precise with it. MMA guys train in more forms of combat, but they aren'teven close to being Masters of any of them and as such there movements are sloppy. An elite boxer can easily destroy a kickboxer or an MMA guy. Look at chuck liddell. here's a guy who dominated for years throwing slow looping punches. MMA is light years behind.

Wrong.

MMA fighters are MOST OF THE TIME not elite boxers. True. They are very often elite grapplers, Mui Thai fighters, etc.
Boxer can beat an MMA guy in MMA fight if they both choose to stand and trade. This comes with MMA guy being pretty dumb. Same way a boxer/striker wouldn't try to take a grappler down(unless he's Cheik Kongo).

[Vanboxingfan]

Put it this way. I'd pick Jones to beat GSP in a boxing match, and I'd pick GSP to destroy Jones in an MMA fight.

[elixirvtec]

You keep saying a boxer only has one weapon, but thats all you need. A person with one gun can kill a person who has 2 or 3 guns if he's a better marksman. Boxers have one form of attack yes, but they are sharp, fast accurate and precise with it. MMA guys train in more forms of combat, but they aren'teven close to being Masters of any of them and as such there movements are sloppy. An elite boxer can easily destroy a kickboxer or an MMA guy. Look at chuck liddell. here's a guy who dominated for years throwing slow looping punches. MMA is light years behind.


Then how come any boxer who comes into k-1 gets nowhere. There are currently boxers in k-1 and they can't win shit. How often do you see boxer come in body contact with each other during a fight??? Pretty often almost all the time. You can't avoid body contact in a fight. Once that happens the mma fighter wins.

Here is a good example for u. A boxer doesn't even know how to defend against knees, high kicks, low kicks. Do you know that the most powerful blow a human can deliver is a knee and not a punch.

Knees>punches
legs>punches of any kind

This show u that a boxer doesn't know how to defend against leg kicks, knees, etc. elbows if it were allowed

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[Haymakers]

Who wins?

To give you a preview, in the UFC I saw last night, a jujitsu fight named Royce Gracie put his opponents (a boxer and a karate/kick fighter) into submission to win the championship.

You're putting the best BJJ guy Royce Gracie up against some average boxer who is trained in karate,

just because it says a guy has trained in boxing, doesn't mean he is an elite boxer.. This guy who has trained or competed in boxing could of been an absolute bum boxer, a fcking tomato can, all of a sudden he competes in mma and they puts his bio up and it says he is trained in karate, kickboxing and boxing

[BITCH ASS]

Basically, if you're ascared to get hit, and you got homosexual tendencies, you'll take a guy down and try to put your dick in his face or whatever you gotta do to win.

Most mother fuckers would tap out in this situation because it's gay as fuck to be down with some gay guy on the ground with your shirt off.

Most MMA guys are in MMA cuz they hit like bitches or they don't have any athleticism and look sloppy as shit, thus are scared of gettin hit.

Hope that helps.

[Haymakers]

Then how come any boxer who comes into k-1 gets nowhere. There are currently boxers in k-1 and they can't win shit. How often do you see boxer come in body contact with each other during a fight??? Pretty often almost all the time. You can't avoid body contact in a fight. Once that happens the mma fighter wins.

Here is a good example for u. A boxer doesn't even know how to defend against knees, high kicks, low kicks. Do you know that the most powerful blow a human can deliver is a knee and not a punch.



I could not see an mma/k-1 fighter do well as an elite boxer either.. I could not see a Remy Bonjasky become a top 10 heavyweight contender in the boxing ring either.. a Remy Bonjasky would not get a fight against any of the top heavyweights.. He would be KO'd without even becoming a contender.. yet Ray Mercer/Frans Botha cross over to k-1 and automatically get fights against the top elite k-1 fighters?

The only fighter from k-1 that i could see doing well as a heavyweight would be Jerome Lebanner as he was actually signed to Don King back in the day. i see Jerome using boxing in k-1 most of the time, i have seen him win most of his fights by KO using boxing skills with the occasional leg kicks.

Of course the most powerful blow that can be lander is a knee shot, the knee is obviously very hard.. but the fact is, you can get more punches in to a mans head than you can a knee, a decent boxer can fire off 10 heavy power punchers in around 5 secs compared to you trying to grapple your way in whilst taking a beating to your head trying to deliver one knee shot..

[elixirvtec]

You're putting the best BJJ guy Royce Gracie up against some average boxer who is trained in karate,

just because it says a guy has trained in boxing, doesn't mean he is an elite boxer.. This guy who has trained or competed in boxing could of been an absolute bum boxer, a fcking tomato can, all of a sudden he competes in mma and they puts his bio up and it says he is trained in karate, kickboxing and boxing


would you call ray mercer an elite boxer? He has fought the best. holyfield lewis. when he went to k-1 he couldn't win shit. same goes for holyfield and lewis. If they went to k-1 they would be nothing

[elixirvtec]

I could not see an mma/k-1 fighter do well as an elite boxer either.. I could not see a Remy Bonjasky become a top 10 heavyweight contender in the boxing ring either.. a Remy Bonjasky would not get a fight against any of the top heavyweights.. He would be KO'd without even becoming a contender.. yet Ray Mercer/Frans Botha cross over to k-1 and automatically get fights against the top elite k-1 fighters?

The only fighter from k-1 that i could see doing well as a heavyweight would be Jerome Lebanner as he was actually signed to Don King back in the day. i see Jerome using boxing in k-1 most of the time, i have seen him win most of his fights by KO using boxing skills with the occasional leg kicks.

Of course the most powerful blow that can be lander is a knee shot, the knee is obviously very hard.. but the fact is, you can get more punches in to a mans head than you can a knee, a decent boxer can fire off 10 heavy power punchers in around 5 secs compared to you trying to grapple your way in whilst taking a beating to your head trying to deliver one knee shot..

How the hell a boxer going to throw a punch while he's in the clinch? A boxer has nothing when 2 fighters body are up against each other.
Check this video out. Look at how many times they clinch up. You telling me that a mma fighter or a kickboxer won't take advantage of that. If mercer was a mma fighter and it was a street fight. lewis would have lost


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[Haymakers]

would you call ray mercer an elite boxer? He has fought the best. holyfield lewis. when he went to k-1 he couldn't win shit. same goes for holyfield and lewis. If they went to k-1 they would be nothing


man, why post a video of Ray Mercer v Musashi as an example? Ray Mercer is well past his prime and in that video he did not show one glimpse of ability as a hw boxer back in the 1990's.. He looks like a washed up fossil and he has absolutely no agility in that video.. The Ray Mercer that KO'd Tommy Morrison and gave Lennox Lewis trouble back in the 1990's would destroy this Musashi character.. Ray Mercer was very tough back in the day and could take punishment to give it twice as hard..

The 6'5'', impressively athletic and agile Lennox Lewis would not do well in k-1?

[Haymakers]

How the hell a boxer going to throw a punch while he's in the clinch? A boxer has nothing when 2 fighters body are up against each other.
Check this video out. Look at how many times they clinch up. You telling me that a mma fighter or a kickboxer won't take advantage of that. If mercer was a mma fighter and it was a street fight. lewis would have lost


clinching is a tool used mostly by heavyweight boxers to throw some heavy uppercuts and hooks in, i know all about kickboxers/muay thai, they try to get their knee's in.. but i'm sure smart elite boxers like Lennox Lewis who was very intelligent in the ring would not recieve any kind of knee's in a clinch, you think some kickboxer is going to work is way into a clinch a land knees to Lewis? how do they get past his long, heavy piston-like jab? how do they avoid those Lewis hooks? and if they do get in close, how do they avoid that monster uppercut?

[elixirvtec]

clinching is a tool used mostly by heavyweight boxers to throw some heavy uppercuts and hooks in, i know all about kickboxers/muay thai, they try to get their knee's in.. but i'm sure smart elite boxers like Lennox Lewis who was very intelligent in the ring would not recieve any kind of knee's in a clinch, you think some kickboxer is going to work is way into a clinch a land knees to Lewis? how do they get past his long, heavy piston-like jab? how do they avoid those Lewis hooks? and if they do get in close, how do they avoid that monster uppercut?


same way mercer got past his hands. did you see the video? you see how many times they clinch up??? like i said. if mercer was a mma fighter in a street fighter against lewis. the fight would be over kick and wouldn't have lasted ten rounds

[BITCH ASS]

Gay people like to get on the ground........and do gay shit....that's what it breaks down to.

[Haymakers]

same way mercer got past his hands. did you see the video? you see how many times they clinch up??? like i said. if mercer was a mma fighter in a street fighter against lewis. the fight would be over kick and wouldn't have lasted ten rounds

man, you mma cats are fcking delirious, Ray Mercer was a very good boxer back then, way back in the 90's.. he was a top 10 contender, of course he would know how to get into a clinch with Lennox Lewis.. you think your Musashi could get into a clinch with a prime Lewis?

put a street fighter in there with a prime Lewis.. You think he would last 1 round?

What is a kickboxer like Musashi or Remy Bonjasky going to do in real heavyweight boxing contest?

[Haymakers]

wrestling somebody to the ground and then grounding and pounding him is the most pussy tactic there is.. guys that don't know how to throw a punch like a man have to resort to those tactics..

Many guys have tried to get in and wrestle me down in street fights and what not, but they can't succeed when they are eating my punches like it's part of their nutritional diet

[Dave_j1985]

it depends on the rules. in a street fight. 100% elite ufc fighter. boxer only have 1 weapon. one thing is for sure. An elite kick boxer will destroy the best boxer in the world. Many many boxers have try to transition to k-1 and not get anywhere.

a ufc fighter has everything the boxer has plus much much more. Do u realize how easy it is to take a boxer to the ground. He can't do anything there. A boxer his hands and nothing else. Its like bringing a pocket knife to a sword fight.

The only Rey Mercer fight you didn't post was the one where he knocks Tim Sylvia the fuck out in a MMA fight. Now don't get me wrong I'm a huge MMA fan, but to say MMA wins 100% of the time is short sighted and obviously utterly bias on your part.

A UFC fighter (or more correctly, a mixed martial artists) does not have everything a boxer has, boxer's will always have a higher level of punching then a MMA fighter simply because that's all they train.

You made a comment on using knees, well first you need to have a good clinch game and it's not as easy as Anderson Silva makes it look. It takes a great deal of strength and skill to control the head to use knees effectively.

[Dave_j1985]

wrestling somebody to the ground and then grounding and pounding him is the most pussy tactic there is.. guys that don't know how to throw a punch like a man have to resort to those tactics..

Many guys have tried to get in and wrestle me down in street fights and what not, but they can't succeed when they are eating my punches like it's part of their nutritional diet

Well there's no rules in a street fight, what will you do if some day someone takes you down and beats the snot out of you? Say they didn't really win the fight because going to the ground is a pussy act? Newsflash champ, they imposed there will upon you using nothing but their body, that in my book is a legit arse kicking.

Now using weapons, multiple attackers, fighting someone half your size are pussy acts.

[James23]

You're putting the best BJJ guy Royce Gracie up against some average boxer who is trained in karate,

just because it says a guy has trained in boxing, doesn't mean he is an elite boxer.. This guy who has trained or competed in boxing could of been an absolute bum boxer, a fcking tomato can, all of a sudden he competes in mma and they puts his bio up and it says he is trained in karate, kickboxing and boxing

Actually, Royce wasn't considered the best Brazilian Jiu Jitsu practicioner. Not even in his family. One of the best in the world? Yes, most likely. For his weight class.

In the vast majority of his fights, he was physically weaker and heavily outweighed and still won.

But, was he the best? Absolutely not. I wouldn't even say top 10. (No, I couldn't name the other 9, but one of them would be his brother Rickson)

[James23]

Also, you need to clarify the Original Post.

Do you mean in an actual street fight where anything is "legal"?

In a boxing match?

In an MMA fight?

In a street fight with no eye gouges or small joint manipulation?

For any reasonable answer, clarification is needed. Too many possible scenarios.

[cdnboxing]

Not this again.

In MMA, a good-elite MMA'er has the advantage and should win. But as Mercer/Sylvia showed, you come in with a wrong gameplan you're going to get lit up by the boxer.

In boxing, an MMA'er will lose everytime to a good-elite boxer. They have no chance regardless of what gameplan they employ.

[Haymakers]

there are absolutely no elite boxers in any major mma organization, an elite boxer with talent has no interest in fighting in a cage like a human cockfighter against glorified bums, an elite boxer can make more money if he is a contender ranked in the top 10 of any of the major boxing organizations,

the only mma fighters you see with boxing amongst there skill set were bum boxers, tomato cans who knew they couldn't make it big as pro but could do well in mma throwing looping overhand rights because you always have a punchers chance in mma because your opponent always comes out with a weird defense with their hands right out away from their chin..

[cdnboxing]

same way mercer got past his hands. did you see the video? you see how many times they clinch up??? like i said. if mercer was a mma fighter in a street fighter against lewis. the fight would be over kick and wouldn't have lasted ten rounds

Are you seriously bringing up Mercer? A guy in his mid 40's who showed up to collect a paycheque, had no intention of winning and has a history of being involved in "sketchy" fights?

Not to mention, the Kimbo fight he fought in was an "exhibition" and not a recorded MMA bout. Why? Because Mercer showed up to box. Kimbo said he'd trade, Mercer said he'd trade.

I mean lets be honest here, people need to use common sense. It was a god damn "exhibition" match. How many legitimate fights are considered "exhibition?"

The only time Mercer showed up to fight, he KO'd a top 10 MMA'er in 10 seconds.

[Haymakers]

Are you seriously bringing up Mercer? A guy in his mid 40's who showed up to collect a paycheque, had no intention of winning and has a history of being involved in "sketchy" fights?

Not to mention, the Kimbo fight he fought in was an "exhibition" and not a recorded MMA bout. Why? Because Mercer showed up to box. Kimbo said he'd trade, Mercer said he'd trade.

I mean lets be honest here, people need to use common sense. It was a god damn "exhibition" match. How many legitimate fights are considered "exhibition?"

The only time Mercer showed up to fight, he KO'd a top 10 MMA'er in 10 seconds.


Exactly

[cdnboxing]

Then how come any boxer who comes into k-1 gets nowhere. There are currently boxers in k-1 and they can't win shit. How often do you see boxer come in body contact with each other during a fight??? Pretty often almost all the time. You can't avoid body contact in a fight. Once that happens the mma fighter wins.

Here is a good example for u. A boxer doesn't even know how to defend against knees, high kicks, low kicks. Do you know that the most powerful blow a human can deliver is a knee and not a punch.

Knees>punches
legs>punches of any kind

This show u that a boxer doesn't know how to defend against leg kicks, knees, etc. elbows if it were allowed

Are you stupid?

There have actually been no legitimate boxers who have stepped into K-1. Botha was past his prime, never defeated a top 10 in boxing and yet went into K-1 and competed with some of the sports best, PAST HIS PRIME.

Mercer as mentioned earlier shouldnt even be mentioned. The guy was in his mid 40's and just like Botha showed up to collect nice paycheques which they would no longer get in boxing.

Vince Phillips fought a guy in Masato who is significantly bigger than him and Phillips has a history of drug use.

A prime elite fighter in boxing goes into K-1 and lays an absolutely beatdown on K-1's best. K-1 is a criminal organization with a horribly thin talent pool.

Why do people think kicks are a boxers kryptonite? Didnt Mercer just eat a low kick from a 310lb former UFC champion and than proceed to KO him seconds later? Dont wrestlers, BJJ practitioners go into MMA and take kicks just fine without collapsing like a bloody mess? If grapplers can do it, you bet your ass boxers can take it.

And shutup about street fights, you sound retarded. If MMA proved who the best "FIGHTER" was than Tito Ortiz wouldnt have got lit up like a christmas tree by Lee Murray in a REAL FIGHT. In MMA, Ortiz beats the middleweight Murray 10 out of 10 times and yet in a REAL FIGHT, Murray used BOXING to beat Ortiz. Yeah, ONLY PUNCHING.

And, punches are the easiest and most efficient way of damaging someone. The majority of KO's come as a result of punches not kicks.

[cdnboxing]

How the hell a boxer going to throw a punch while he's in the clinch? A boxer has nothing when 2 fighters body are up against each other.
Check this video out. Look at how many times they clinch up. You telling me that a mma fighter or a kickboxer won't take advantage of that. If mercer was a mma fighter and it was a street fight. lewis would have lost


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Terrible logic.

You do know that they almost always clinched up after a barrage of punches. I'm thinking, not one MMA fighter could take a barrage of punches from either a prime Lewis and Mercer and live to tell about it let alone work in the clinch.

[Haymakers]

Are you stupid?

There have actually been no legitimate boxers who have stepped into K-1. Botha was past his prime, never defeated a top 10 in boxing and yet went into K-1 and competed with some of the sports best, PAST HIS PRIME.

Mercer as mentioned earlier shouldnt even be mentioned. The guy was in his mid 40's and just like Botha showed up to collect nice paycheques which they would no longer get in boxing.

Vince Phillips fought a guy in Masato who is significantly bigger than him and Phillips has a history of drug use.

A prime elite fighter in boxing goes into K-1 and lays an absolutely beatdown on K-1's best. K-1 is a criminal organization with a horribly thin talent pool.

Why do people think kicks are a boxers kryptonite? Didnt Mercer just eat a low kick from a 310lb former UFC champion and than proceed to KO him seconds later? Dont wrestlers, BJJ practitioners go into MMA and take kicks just fine without collapsing like a bloody mess? If grapplers can do it, you bet your ass boxers can take it.

And shutup about street fights, you sound retarded. If MMA proved who the best "FIGHTER" was than Tito Ortiz wouldnt have got lit up like a christmas tree by Lee Murray in a REAL FIGHT. In MMA, Ortiz beats the middleweight Murray 10 out of 10 times and yet in a REAL FIGHT, Murray used BOXING to beat Ortiz. Yeah, ONLY PUNCHING.

And, punches are the easiest and most efficient way of damaging someone. The majority of KO's come as a result of punches not kicks.

spot on!

[Ubersteve]

I don't think Ortiz beats Murray 10 times out of 10.

[HeavyT]

Another one of these... boxers beat MMA fighters at boxing. in MMA, anyone has a puncher's chance but its more likely that the boxer will be submitted. In a street fight, if anything is legal who knows?

[Spunik]

there are absolutely no elite boxers in any major mma organization, an elite boxer with talent has no interest in fighting in a cage like a human cockfighter against glorified bums, an elite boxer can make more money if he is a contender ranked in the top 10 of any of the major boxing organizations,

the only mma fighters you see with boxing amongst there skill set were bum boxers, tomato cans who knew they couldn't make it big as pro but could do well in mma throwing looping overhand rights because you always have a punchers chance in mma because your opponent always comes out with a weird defense with their hands right out away from their chin..

You should do some MMA and maybe Dana White will sign you, unless you're an elite boxer.

[Spunik]

Basically, if you're ascared to get hit, and you got homosexual tendencies, you'll take a guy down and try to put your dick in his face or whatever you gotta do to win.

Most mother fuckers would tap out in this situation because it's gay as fuck to be down with some gay guy on the ground with your shirt off.

Most MMA guys are in MMA cuz they hit like bitches or they don't have any athleticism and look sloppy as shit, thus are scared of gettin hit.

Hope that helps.

some dude must have thrown you down and had his way with you....
maybe you should take some women's defense classes....:lol:

[TheStraightLeft]

Here's my 2 cents:

In a boxing match with boxing rules, I'd put my money on the boxer to win the fight vs any other kind of fighter, for obvious reasons.

In a match with kickboxing rules, I'd put my money on the boxer if it's between a boxer vs mma fighter. But if it's between a boxer vs kickboxer, I can see it going either way. The winner of that match will generally be the better prepared, more physically fit fighter.

In a kickboxing match with muay thai rules, it'd be a really tough call but I'd put my money on the thai boxer.

In an mma fight with mma rules, I'd put my money on the mma fighter vs any other fighter.

On the street, who knows. There's too many variables, but all things being equal, I'd probably put my money on the mma fighter based on the fact that they'd have more options.

[cdnboxing]

You should do some MMA and maybe Dana White will sign you, unless you're an elite boxer.

He did sign Lesnar, but I dont think Haymaker was jumping off turnbuckles and giving people sharpshooters, so I doubt he can generate the PPV buys Lesnar can.

[MAYLO]

I think the majority of the time the boxer will win with boxing rules and the mma fighter wins with mma rules as many have established...but i think boxers have a good shot at being untouchable at the mma game if they can show some take down defense. Look at chuck liddell. He dominated mma by basically boxing. And he didnt lose until someone just came and "outboxed" him or for a better use of words knocked him the hell out. He wasnt submitted or grouded out he was ko'd boxing style. On the other hand I dont see a mma fighter having any success as a B level boxer let alone being a champion.

[OuterDrake]

a boxer will always have a high punchers chance. but mma fighter would win most of the time. However, i think boxers are more prepared to take on multiple attackers in a brawl then a mma'er who leave his chin exposed frequently.

[TheStraightLeft]

a boxer will always have a high punchers chance. but mma fighter would win most of the time.

Agree with this totally.

[TheStraightLeft]

As I was saying in the grappler vs striker thread, the results of the poll would probably be different if you asked this question in a UFC or MMA forum.

[BoxingFanBG]

In MMA fight I would rather be a boxer.
If I lose it will be by me throwing the towel when my opponent puts me in a lock.
If I was a grappler fighting against boxer and I lose it will be by brutal KTFO that will send me straight to the wonderland.
In K-1 fight it will be 60-40 for the boxer, in MMA - 70-30 for the MMA fighter

[Wilhelm]

Why the fuck does it not count unless there's an "elite" boxer who tries mma? If every mediocre boxer who fights a mediocre mma guy loses, then why would it be so different when an elite mma guy fought an elite boxer? Why did Matt Skelton lose to Tom Erikson? Because a double leg takedown is a much more high percentage attack than a punching combination, particularly if the person being shot on has no idea how to defend it. Punches are at a moving target and to have anything on them your feet need to be set. Also, punches can be covered up against for short periods by someone without a ton of training. Moving your legs to avoid a takedown though is a lot harder than moving your head to avoid punches and to stop a takedown you need to know how to fight it off once they get a hold of you. If you don't know this, you're going down WAY more regularly than the wrestler would from the first flurry a boxer throws.

I suggest you all try this and see what happens. Put on your bag gloves and have some friend of yours try to take you down. If they wrestled in high school, see how easily they can take you down? If not, just count how many times they can get a clinch or get a hold of your leg before you can land a knockout series of punches on them. You'll see real quick why the extra distance you get from knowing how to leg kick means that pure boxers are at a disadvantage relative to kick boxers. You'll also notice that the second you adjust your stance to try to protect yourself against takedowns your boxing technique will start to look sloppy and you'll get a lot more squared up than you normally would. Really, try this and you'll get a whole new appreciation for both sports. You'll also hopefully not make anymore of these stupid fucking threads where your whole argument rests on "average boxers may always lose to average mma guys, but PBF would be invincible!" bullshit.

[TheStraightLeft]

Why the fuck does it not count unless there's an "elite" boxer who tries mma?

Because this is a boxing forum and a majority of people here are biased in favour of boxing. And I suspect many here have never actually sparred in an MMA context before.

[James23]

Why the fuck does it not count unless there's an "elite" boxer who tries mma? If every mediocre boxer who fights a mediocre mma guy loses, then why would it be so different when an elite mma guy fought an elite boxer? Why did Matt Skelton lose to Tom Erikson? Because a double leg takedown is a much more high percentage attack than a punching combination, particularly if the person being shot on has no idea how to defend it. Punches are at a moving target and to have anything on them your feet need to be set. Also, punches can be covered up against for short periods by someone without a ton of training. Moving your legs to avoid a takedown though is a lot harder than moving your head to avoid punches and to stop a takedown you need to know how to fight it off once they get a hold of you. If you don't know this, you're going down WAY more regularly than the wrestler would from the first flurry a boxer throws.

I suggest you all try this and see what happens. Put on your bag gloves and have some friend of yours try to take you down. If they wrestled in high school, see how easily they can take you down? If not, just count how many times they can get a clinch or get a hold of your leg before you can land a knockout series of punches on them. You'll see real quick why the extra distance you get from knowing how to leg kick means that pure boxers are at a disadvantage relative to kick boxers. You'll also notice that the second you adjust your stance to try to protect yourself against takedowns your boxing technique will start to look sloppy and you'll get a lot more squared up than you normally would. Really, try this and you'll get a whole new appreciation for both sports. You'll also hopefully not make anymore of these stupid fucking threads where your whole argument rests on "average boxers may always lose to average mma guys, but PBF would be invincible!" bullshit.

Very solid reasoning.

[TheStraightLeft]

Very solid reasoning.

I agree with that.

I find it interesting that in the other thread about Muay Thai fighter vs Boxer, the crude poll indicates that the muay thai fighter as an advantage. But once you start talking about MMA fighters, most people here say the boxer has the advantage.

[vorapsak2002]

I agree with that.

I find it interesting that in the other thread about Muay Thai fighter vs Boxer, the crude poll indicates that the muay thai fighter as an advantage. But once you start talking about MMA fighters, most people here say the boxer has the advantage.

they always under estimate MMA fighters..,the best fighters in all combat sports. imo

[Boinko]

One thing I find rather amusing is it seems like many boxing fans who hate MMA think that us MMA fans believe that MMA fighters are better boxers than boxers.
I know very few MMA fans (short of the rabidly ignorant ones) who believe this.

Thus, when Ray Mercer KO'd Sylvia, was it really all that shocking? The sole reason one might have favoured Sylvia is because Mercer is absolutely ancient. But even then, most people were picking Mercer if it were fought as strictly a boxing match. (rumour was that they agreed to stay standing up even though it was technically an MMA match).

There's not a single elite MMA fighter who I would pick to win against an elite boxer in a boxing match. It wouldn't even be close. If anyone disagrees with this statement speak up.
If not, let us finally put this silly idea to rest that any MMA fan's on this board hold this point of view.

[Bill Butcher]

In a street fight, the MMA fighter will win most times, its not rocket science, if the boxer hits him clean its over tho.

[Bill Butcher]

One thing I find rather amusing is it seems like many boxing fans who hate MMA think that us MMA fans believe that MMA fighters are better boxers than boxers.
I know very few MMA fans (short of the rabidly ignorant ones) who believe this.

Thus, when Ray Mercer KO'd Sylvia, was it really all that shocking? The sole reason one might have favoured Sylvia is because Mercer is absolutely ancient. But even then, most people were picking Mercer if it were fought as strictly a boxing match. (rumour was that they agreed to stay standing up even though it was technically an MMA match).

There's not a single elite MMA fighter who I would pick to win against an elite boxer in a boxing match. It wouldn't even be close. If anyone disagrees with this statement speak up.
If not, let us finally put this silly idea to rest that any MMA fan's on this board hold this point of view.


I agree 100%

Thats the way I have always seen it, its hard to imagine any reasonable person seeing it different TBH.

I wasnt at all shocked by the Mercer-Silvia fight, I was however shocked by the hype afterwards, totally baffling.

[elixirvtec]

In a street fight, the MMA fighter will win most times, its not rocket science, if the boxer hits him clean its over tho.

That's what i been trying to tell these fools. I've fought many times in my high school and college years as well as watch them. Only a few stayed standing. Most of the time they were on the ground. No difference in a street fight.

[aztec1]

<------------ this homie right here k.o your best mma fighter...

[TheStraightLeft]

Royce is no were near the top of the bjj food chain

In all fairness, he's very very close to the top of the BJJ food chain.

[kflex101]

How the hell a boxer going to throw a punch while he's in the clinch? A boxer has nothing when 2 fighters body are up against each other.
Check this video out. Look at how many times they clinch up. You telling me that a mma fighter or a kickboxer won't take advantage of that. If mercer was a mma fighter and it was a street fight. lewis would have lost


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Do you really think a boxer would use the same strategy in an MMA or K1 fight? In a boxing match a boxer will happily clinch as he knows the rules dictate he doesn't have to worry about it. A clinch is effectively a time to rest, push his opponent about a bit, but not much else.
In a kickboxing fight a clinch is a whole different kettle of fish - which is why the fighters in the two sports react differently to it.
This is not a limitation of a fighter, rather an example that both are following the rules of their sport.

If the game was different, then a different tactic would be employed. They'd either grapple back or avoid clinches at all costs.

Regarding your take on k1 vs boxing, unfortunately history actually suggests the opposite.
Generally kickboxing (K1 included) attracts a much lower catergory of athletes than boxing.
Of course this is much more to do with money than anything else, as theoretically having more weapons should be an advantage.

Just naming a few Aussies, JWP, Ian Schaffa, Daniel Dawson, who are these nobodies you say?
Well, all were world kickboxing champions yet were barely even good enough to be National boxing champs.
Mark Hunt is good example of a K1 fighter, a 4 time world k1 champion that beat the absolutes best of world kickboxing, yet his boxing record was no wins from 2 fights against mediocre Aussies.

There is absolutely ZERO examples of good boxers in their prime going to K1 so your predictions are meaningless, but we do have many showing kickboxers failing in pro boxing.
The example of Frans Botha is a funny one too. Even at an advanced age and way past his best in boxing (though he was never that good to start with!) he was very unlucky to lose to Remy Bodjansky in a K1 fight with very little experience.

[TheStraightLeft]

Generally kickboxing (K1 included) attracts a much lower catergory of athletes than boxing.

Just naming a few Aussies, JWP, Ian Schaffa, Daniel Dawson, who are these nobodies you say?
Well, all were world kickboxing champions yet were barely even good enough to be National boxing champs.
Mark Hunt is good example of a K1 fighter, a 4 time world k1 champion that beat the absolutes best of world kickboxing, yet his boxing record was no wins from 2 fights against mediocre Aussies.

There is absolutely ZERO examples of good boxers in their prime going to K1 so your predictions are meaningless, but we do have many showing kickboxers failing in pro boxing.
The example of Frans Botha is a funny one too. Even at an advanced age and way past his best in boxing (though he was never that good to start with!) he was very unlucky to lose to Remy Bodjansky in a K1 fight with very little experience.

Are you saying that it takes an elite boxer in his prime to beat a mediocre kickboxer?

In other words, anything less than an elite prime boxer will have a hard time beating mediocre, no name, sub-standard athlete?

[kflex101]

Are you saying that it takes an elite boxer in his prime to beat a mediocre kickboxer?

In other words, anything less than an elite prime boxer will have a hard time beating mediocre, no name, sub-standard athlete?

May be worth rereading my post mate. I make it clear that the opposite is true.
We have seen many examples of people who have made to the top of the tree in kickboxing failing dismally in boxing.
No examples of the other way round.

[TheStraightLeft]

May be worth rereading my post mate. I make it clear that the opposite is true.
We have seen many examples of people who have made to the top of the tree in kickboxing failing dismally in boxing.
No examples of the other way round.

My bad. :patsch