Brit forum historians.....

[brown bomber]

Which fighter would you say fought (not ness beat) the most great fighters?

Reading about Rocky Lockeridge .... What a career.

Any suggestions....

[FLINT ISLAND]

De La Hoya in the modern era.....................

[djoc175]

De La Hoya in the modern era.....................
Agreed,his record is a who's who

I thought you were back on the 5th,still,I didn't have Claypole down as a grass:-(

[doug.ie]

you want a brit name jeff ?
i'm thinking of a fella who fought the pick of british super-middles at the best period for super middles here...and he fought roy jones and rogiggiani {spelling}..
sugar boy malinga.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Agreed,his record is a who's who

I thought you were back on the 5th,still,I didn't have Claypole down as a grass:-(


I was due back on the 5th - but I sent the MODS a heart felt PM tonight which allowed me back on

Thanks MODS :good

As for the incident of my banning - without saying names - or making accusations of who grassed me or complianed

Lets just say - some people around here are more sensitive than I thought

I thought they had a thick enough skin to take a joke

But someone cried about it ....................

Its OK to be sensitive mind - I'm not having a go at sensitivity

In this modern day age - its acceptable for the modern man to have femine / gay aspects about him like sensitivity........................

[djoc175]

I was due back on the 5th - but I sent the MODS a heart felt PM tonight which allowed me back on

Thanks MODS :good

As for the incident of my banning - without saying names - or making accusations of who grassed me or complianed

Lets just say - some people around here are more sensitive than I thought

I thought they had a thick enough skin to take a joke

But someone cried about it ....................

Its OK to be sensitive mind - I'm not having a go at sensitivity

In this modern day age - its acceptable for the modern man to have femine / gay aspects about him like sensitivity........................
:lol::rofl

[TFFP]

Greb, Langford, Ezzard Charles, Duran.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Duran

fought Ken Buchanen when he was just 20 yrs old ..................

Thomas Hearns

Sugar Ray Lenoard

etc

etc

even when he was a fat old man he was in there with the likes of World Middleweight Champion William Joppy

[brown bomber]

you want a brit name jeff ?
i'm thinking of a fella who fought the pick of british super-middles at the best period for super middles here...and he fought roy jones and rogiggiani {spelling}..
sugar boy malinga.Like it Doug good call.... Some top names there. Terry Norris?

[FLINT ISLAND]

Mike McCaullum...............

Don Curry
Julian Jackson
James Toney
Roy Jones

.........

[FLINT ISLAND]

Barrera - fought everyone round his weights.......................

[LHL]

Yory boy campas

Trinadad
Vargas
Camacho :yep
DLH
Tony Ayala Jnr

[D-MAC]

Bernard Hopkins:

Roy Jones Jr
Glen Johnson
Keith Holmes
Felix Trinidad
William Joppy
Oscar De la Hoya
Howard Eastman
Jermain Taylor x 2
Antonio Tarver
Winky Wright
Joe Calzaghe
Kelly Pavlik

[TFFP]

Don't forget Hagler, Flint.

Charles' list of HOF competition is ridiculous.

Ken Overlin X2
Charley Burley X2
Joey Maxim X5
Lloyd Marshall X3
Archie Moore X3
Jimmy Bivins X4
Elmer Ray X2
Jersey Joe Walcott X4
Gus Lesnevich
Joe Louis
Rex Layne X3
Rocky Marciano X2

[Gaz S]

How about Evander Holyfield?
His resumé includes names such as Lewis, Tyson, Bowe, Foreman, Holmes, Quawi and Toney.

And he also fought tons of guys that ain't exactly ATGs but still quality such as Moorer, Mercer, DeLeon, P. Thomas, Dokes, Douglas, Byrd, Rahman, Ruiz, Ibragimov, Stewart, (and dare I say) Valuev...

[FLINT ISLAND]

Bernard Hopkins:

Roy Jones Jr
Glen Johnson
Keith Holmes
Felix Trinidad
William Joppy
Oscar De la Hoya
Howard Eastman
Jermain Taylor x 2
Antonio Tarver
Winky Wright
Joe Calzaghe
Kelly Pavlik

I got a problem with Hopkins though

When the big names were at the middle / super middle divison he didnt fight them

he werent even a paper champion when the big guns were in town

he only became the man after they left the middleweight division.......

Nigel Benn
Michael Nunn
James Toney
Gerlad McCllellan
Julian Jackson
Chris Eubank
Tim Little
Frankie Liles

[TFFP]

With all due respect you can't exactly put Bernard Hopkins, Mike McCallum or Yori Boy Campas up with the greatest lists of competition of all-time.

Bernard Hopkins dominated a relatively threadbare division compared to times gone by, fought guys that were more proven as welterweights and then had a brief but impressive foray at LHW.

The old guys fought everyone and anybody as a pasttime, not as an exception to the rule.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Enzo fought Bobby Gunn - surely on that fight alone he should be considered on the all time list..................

[GPater11093]

Charles or Greb or the man in my avatar

[LHL]

He's up there already with his double over mark hobson for me

[D-MAC]

With all due respect you can't exactly put Bernard Hopkins, Mike McCallum or Yori Boy Campas up with the greatest lists of competition of all-time.

Bernard Hopkins dominated a relatively threadbare division compared to times gone by, fought guys that were more proven as welterweights and then had a brief but impressive foray at LHW.

The old guys fought everyone and anybody as a pasttime, not as an exception to the rule.

Fair enough:good

I just thought he had a pretty deep record; deffo not up there with Charles and co though.

[TFFP]

Enzo fought Bobby Gunn - surely on that fight alone he should be considered on the all time list..................
It's on some list alright.

...









Perhaps the one for worst title defence in history?

[Gaz S]

I sort of know where you're coming from TFFP re: Hopkins fighting some names who were more proven at welterweight (Oscar/Tito), but then you have to apply the same criteria to other fighters.

For example some of Hagler's biggest names:
Hearns (welter)
Leonard (welter)
Duran (lightweight)
Mugabi (light middle)

Monzon:
Griffith (welter)
Benvenuti (light middle)
Napoles (welter)

I don't think the criteria is so specific to dominance, victories, etc (as Jeff said they don't necessarily have to beaten them), just the over all quality of the names on a fighter's record.

[brown bomber]

Ali

Moore
Liston
Patterson
Foreman
Holmes
Frazier
Norton
Shavers
Foster
Spinks
Chuvalo
Williams
Cooper

scary.

[TFFP]

I sort of know where you're coming from TFFP re: Hopkins fighting some names who were more proven at welterweight (Oscar/Tito), but then you have to apply the same criteria to other fighters.

For example some of Hagler's biggest names:
Hearns (welter)
Leonard (welter)
Duran (lightweight)
Mugabi (light middle)

Monzon:
Griffith (welter)
Benvenuti (light middle)
Napoles (welter)

I don't think the criteria is so specific to dominance, victories, etc (as Jeff said they don't necessarily have to beaten them), just the over all quality of the names on a fighter's record.
Hagler wouldn't be anywhere close to best list of competition of all-time anyway.

By any criteria Hopkins isn't. You can count on the fingers of one hand the number of great fighters he's fought, and even a number of them are fringe great fighters that could be argued either way (Trinidad, Calzaghe).

[ishy]

Greb

Tiger Flowers
Maxie Rosenbloom
Mickey Walker
Gene Tunney
Tommy Loughran
Kid Norfolk
Tommy Gibbons
Mick McTigue
Battling Levinsky
Billy Miske
Jack Dillon

and many others....

:shock:

[kosaros]

Archie Moore:

Ali
Marciano
Maxim
Patterson
Burley
Bivins
E Charles
H Johnson
Olson

Plus, he fought some of these a numerous amount of times.

[GazOC]

I was due back on the 5th - but I sent the MODS a heart felt PM tonight which allowed me back on

Thanks MODS :good

As for the incident of my banning - without saying names - or making accusations of who grassed me or complianed

Lets just say - some people around here are more sensitive than I thought

I thought they had a thick enough skin to take a joke

But someone cried about it ....................

Its OK to be sensitive mind - I'm not having a go at sensitivity

In this modern day age - its acceptable for the modern man to have femine / gay aspects about him like sensitivity........................

Well it wasn't fucking me, you can ask Achilles or Longcount and they can put the answer up here in the Brit forum.

[icemax]

In this modern day age - its acceptable for the modern man to have femine / gay aspects about him like sensitivity........................

FFS :lol:

[icemax]

Ezzard Charles

:good 55-60 contests against top ten opposition is pretty impressive

[icemax]

Manuel Ortiz, Emile Griffith

[GPater11093]

Carmen Basilio

Ted 'Kid' Lewis

Jackie 'Kid' Berg

Georges Carpientier

[FLINT ISLAND]

Well it wasn't fucking me, you can ask Achilles or Longcount and they can put the answer up here in the Brit forum.


no GazOC did not grass me.................

[GazOC]

Ah, fuck off you sad, obsessed bastard. You know I didn't complain and you're just trying to make me look the villain in your pathetic little game of forum politics.

[djoc175]

FLINT-some images of your good self have surfaced.I don't like the rosary beads:verysad

[FLINT ISLAND]

Ah, fuck off you sad, obsessed bastard. You know I didn't complain and you're just trying to make me look the villain in your pathetic little game of forum politics.

It was a joke

Maybe a bad joke by myself :patsch

Sorry Gaz :oops:

[FLINT ISLAND]

Let me clear something up for you GazOC.

I like to joke around - but I know I pissed you off with all that picture stuff and threads.

So if it pissed you off - then it goes past being a joke - and I apologise for that.

That grass picture was just another joke - but a bad joke -

I dont believe you complained - even if you could have been justfied to do so

However on a serious note

The only difference I have with you is mainly over Ricky Hatton

Apart from that I think you a top guy

Sorry for pissing you off - and I wont play on your name again.

And that fat fucker in the photo was not you it was a random pic......................

[djoc175]

FLINT,tell me about this statement

Nicky Piper "can't get girls"

[FLINT ISLAND]

FLINT,tell me about this statement

Nicky Piper "can't get girls"


He needs the manuael

"how to pull girls" - thats from a old thread

[djoc175]

He needs the manuael

"how to pull girls" - thats from a old thread
yeah i found it,it has pics of yourself no?

[FLINT ISLAND]

yeah i found it,it has pics of yourself no?


what pics?

[djoc175]

You with Enzo Mac and another bloke.I'm assuming one of them is you since you posted them

Shall I bump it?

[FLINT ISLAND]

You with Enzo Mac and another bloke.I'm assuming one of them is you since you posted them

Shall I bump it?


ha

that pic

thats not me

thats off the Revolution Swansea Nightclub photo gallery

I always browse through the nightclub gallerys to see pics of people I know

I dont even know Enzo Macc - so it certainly aint me :-(

[djoc175]

ha

that pic

thats not me

thats off the Revolution Swansea Nightclub photo gallery

I always browse through the nightclub gallerys to see pics of people I know

I dont even know Enzo Macc - so it certainly aint me :-(
Interesting thread though

[PrideOfWales]

Just who exactly is GazOC?

[TFFP]

This thread went downhill.

[djoc175]

no GazOC did not grass me.................

It was a joke

Maybe a bad joke by myself :patsch

Sorry Gaz :oops:
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[FLINT ISLAND]

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I will eat humble pie to apolgoise to GazOC - only as it is fair to do so

However I would not eat humble pie for any twat on the forum I fell out with:deal

[djoc175]

I will eat humble pie to apolgoise to GazOC - only as it is fair to do so

However I would not eat humble pie for any twat on the forum I fell out with:deal
i thought it was water under the bridge:sad2

[FLINT ISLAND]

i thought it was water under the bridge:sad2

:huh

I didnt mean that at you . - just meant it in a general sense - ..................

[FLINT ISLAND]

Yes we did fall out before

But that was before I knew you

I think you are a good poster..........................

[djoc175]

OK got it:good

[FLINT ISLAND]

OK got it:good

:good

[kosaros]

Yes we did fall out before

But that was before I knew you

I think you are a good poster..........................

I dunno, I detect a sense of sarcasm, due to all those dots after you said he was a 'good poster' ;)

[FLINT ISLAND]

I dunno, I detect a sense of sarcasm, due to all those dots after you said he was a 'good poster' ;)

NO

Djoc is a good poster.

But we got off to a bad start.

I always put dots in my posts

I'm sensing the sarcasm is coming from you...............:p

[FLINT ISLAND]

And GazOC is a top guy too

Thing I like about Gaz is he is a nice fella and a resonable guy

But dont mistake his kindness for weakness

When I pissed him off he had no hestation in calling me a

"sad obssessed bastard"

I can respect that - Gaz is a nice guy - but with a backbone too.

[djoc175]

I dunno, I detect a sense of sarcasm, due to all those dots after you said he was a 'good poster' ;)
Did I upset you David?

[djoc175]

NO

Djoc is a good poster.

But we got off to a bad start.

I always put dots in my posts

I'm sensing the sarcasm is coming from you...............:p
:D
I spoke out of turn.It was mainly because of the Enzo stuff at that time.I wasn't a regular on the British forum and didn't get FLINTs humour

[FLINT ISLAND]

:D
I spoke out of turn.It was mainly because of the Enzo stuff at that time


Yeah its no problem

I fell out with loads of people on here but as I got to know them I got to like them better

These days I even think Trotter is a sound guy - and I hated him at the start.

[TFFP]

I still think you are a twat Flint.

[GPater11093]

i agree sometimes Flint is funny the next time hes some weirdo and its about 10-90 respectivly

now back to topic

[FLINT ISLAND]

I still think you are a twat Flint.

:good

[chesh]

How about Juan Laporte? His comp was amazing:

Sal Sanchez
Wilfredo Gomez
Eusebio Pedroza
Rocky Lockridge
JC Chavez
Barry McGuigan
John John Molina
Azumah Nelson
Teddy Reid
Kostya Tszyu
Charles Murray

He lost most of them, but what a list!

[Beeston Brawler]

Peter Buckley?

:lol:

[Jack Dempsey]

Sugar Ray Robinson fought a few names
Giardello
LaMotta
Graziano
Fullmer
Olsen
Turpin
Basilio
Downes
Pender
Maxim
Armstrong
Gavilan
Belloise
Abrams
Angott
Zivic