Khan v Maidana - Bad style for Amir???

[D-MAC]

This fight "should" be next up for Khan should he beat Kotelnik.

Having just watched Maidana again it seems to me that this is a nightmare style match-up for Khan, a guy who keeps coming forward (and keeps getting up) no matter what you throw at him, throws punches in bunches and those punches are thrown with lethal intent, throws equally well to body and head, tough as nails, punches well on the inside and in the clinch etc etc..............

I think Kotelnik is a good style match-up for Khan.

However, Maidana looks a terrible match-up for him.

Thoughts?:think

[Flea Man]

I'm not kidding, Maidana K.O 1.

The first shot he put Ortiz with was brutal. Fair play to Ortiz to getting up.

It was like The Terminator. Beautiful right hook from Ortiz puts Maidana down. No effect. He rises. He throws a punch. Ortiz is fucked!

I think Maidana will take Khan's punches long enough to destroy him. If Khan were to avoid getting hit hard enough to get stopped the entire night it will have to be with a performance worthy of Benitez/Pea/Pep, which ain' gonna' happen lets face it.

So, after all this 'I want to be World champion', Khan will probably ditch his belt as I can't see ****** allowing him to fight a mandatory like Maidana.

[DGLASS JAW]

Maidana looks like a real hard nut ,who would walk through your shots to land his big bombs...amir will have nightmares .

[AVFCMagicMan]

Maidana KO1

[slip&counter]

styles make fights and kotelnik will be a harder fight for Khan, i'm convinced anyone with khans attributes who establishes a stiff jab beats maidana, ortiz is an emotional reck and he fought a dumb fight, allowing for khans obvious weakness, he has the tools especially now with a very good strategist to beat maidana convincingly, the importance of a consistant jab against fighters like maidana cannot be over emphasized, khan has a brillient jab (if brought out and fine tuned could be virgill hill, ike quartey, DLH esque) i think it'll be allowed to flourish under roach. Khan UD

[D-MAC]

styles make fights and kotelnik will be a harder fight for Khan, i'm convinced anyone with khans attributes who establishes a stiff jab beats maidana, ortiz is an emotional reck and he fought a dumb fight, allowing for khans obvious weakness, he has the tools especially now with a very good strategist to beat maidana convincingly, the importance of a consistant jab against fighters like maidana cannot be over emphasized, khan has a brillient jab (if brought out and fine tuned could be virgill hill, ike quartey, DLH esque) i think it'll be allowed to flourish under roach. Khan UD

What happens when Maidana hooks around the jab, which he will do, it doesn't matter whether it is orthodox or southpaw (he doesn't mind eating punches to get there). Kotelnik has a very good jab AND a very good chin, and he went life and death with the guy.

Maidana also smahes well to the body, and Khan doesn't like it down there.

In my book this is a far harder fight for Khan than the Kotelnik one.

Don't get me wrong, Maidana is no stylist, but his kind off brawling approach will cause Khan all kinds of trouble.

[JIM KELLY]

prescott written all over it!

[kosaros]

Maidana gets so much reach into some of his punches, Khan cannot avoid them, yet he can avoid Maidana and that is what he should do.

[catasyou]

Yes.

But Maidana has proven that he can be timed with straight and wide punches.Fast and accurate though.

So Khan might have a chance but I 'd pick Maidana to knock him out.

[LHL]

He has a good style for Amir in my opinion but Amir will get KO'ed

[slip&counter]

What happens when Maidana hooks around the jab, which he will do, it doesn't matter whether it is orthodox or southpaw (he doesn't mind eating punches to get there). Kotelnik has a very good jab AND a very good chin, and he went life and death with the guy.

Maidana also smahes well to the body, and Khan doesn't like it down there.

In my book this is a far harder fight for Khan than the Kotelnik one.

Don't get me wrong, Maidana is no stylist, but his kind off brawling approach will cause Khan all kinds of trouble.

a fast, accurate, consistant, varied jab (i.e to the body and hooking of it) off sets him and nollifys it, don't get me wrong khans boxing IQ isn't exactly the best and he would have to fight damn near the perfect fight, stick to the game plan and not get flustered, but thats where Roach comes in

btw how many jabs did ortiz throw? i don't have the compubox numbers, but from what i saw he throw very little and that was stupid considering the style of the opponent, maidana is type of fighter who looks a beast when you fight his fight ala miranda but looks as confused as a woodpecker in a concrete jungle when a guy brings the right tools.

[kosaros]

a fast, accurate, consistant, varied jab (i.e to the body and hooking of it) off sets him and nollifys it, don't get me wrong khans boxing IQ isn't exactly the best and he would have to fight damn near the perfect fight, stick to the game plan and not get flustered, but thats where Roach comes in

btw how many jabs did ortiz throw? i don't have the compubox numbers, but from what i saw he throw very little and that was stupid considering the style of the opponent, maidana is type of fighter who looks a beast when you fight his fight ala miranda but looks as confused as a woodpecker in a concrete jungle when a guy brings the right tools.

Kotelnik went to war with Maidana in patches, but for the most part he was trying to box him. Kotelnik got a debatable decision, which shows he can fight it out with boxers as well and not just sluggers.

[D-MAC]

a fast, accurate, consistant, varied jab (i.e to the body and hooking of it) off sets him and nollifys it, don't get me wrong khans boxing IQ isn't exactly the best and he would have to fight damn near the perfect fight, stick to the game plan and not get flustered, but thats where Roach comes in

btw how many jabs did ortiz throw? i don't have the compubox numbers, but from what i saw he throw very little and that was stupid considering the style of the opponent, maidana is type of fighter who looks a beast when you fight his fight ala miranda but looks as confused as a woodpecker in a concrete jungle when a guy brings the right tools.

Khan would have to fight the perfect fight because Maidana will be swarming him, and Khan will have to pick him and then move away for 12 rounds. He can't trade with Maidana.

I can't see Khan doing that for 12 full rounds, can you?

Personally, I think Maidana will eat him alive within 5 rounds; you need power to keep a Ko-punching swarmer off you for 12 rounds, and if you don't have the power then you damn well better have the chin and the inside game to do it; Khan has neither.

Kotelniik is a controlled boxer who likes fighting in "his" zone; Khan can take him out of that zone with his speed; he can't take Maidana out of his zone; he has no leverage in this kinda contest as far as I can see; Maidana will brutalise him, because there is nothing keeping him on a leash, nothing to ward him off. Khan's power was never prolific at LW; its not gonna be a detterent at LWW either.


Khan would have to be Pernell Whitaker to win this fight, and he is not that.

[zico2010]

In all the fuss over Ortiz chucking it and not making any attempt to hide the fact in the interview after the fight, i think folk are getting carried away in their praise for Maidana. Yes, he's tough, a hard puncher, good chin, but i terms of technical ability he's not all that great. People are forgetting Ortiz had him in big, big trouble early in the fight and had it not been for the bell then he would no doubt have finished Maidana off.

This is a difficult fight for Khan style-wise, of course, but its equally difficult for Maidana. I doubt Ortiz threw 10 jabs in the whole fight. He was outboxing Maidana but chose to trade big shots. Khan wont be making those mistakes. He wouldnt quit like that either.

[slip&counter]

In all the fuss over Ortiz chucking it and not making any attempt to hide the fact in the interview after the fight, i think folk are getting carried away in their praise for Maidana. Yes, he's tough, a hard puncher, good chin, but i terms of technical ability he's not all that great. People are forgetting Ortiz had him in big, big trouble early in the fight and had it not been for the bell then he would no doubt have finished Maidana off.

This is a difficult fight for Khan style-wise, of course, but its equally difficult for Maidana. I doubt Ortiz threw 10 jabs in the whole fight. He was outboxing Maidana but chose to trade big shots. Khan wont be making those mistakes. He wouldnt quit like that either.


10 jabs? :shock: thats pathetic and emphasizes my point

btw you're right people are getting carried away with that win, i was never sold on ortiz, no chin, little heart and poor boxing IQ

[JIM KELLY]

lets see how amir does at 140?

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interesting article by Kevin mitchell of the guardian

mitchell shits on the other boxing writers btw especially the gay porn (ufc) lover of the telegraph

not saying much though, its like being the tallist midget in the circus, the level of boxing writers has dropped drastically since the sports heyday, before the best sports writers were drawn to boxing as its the best sport to write about, but since the decline especailly of the heavyweight division its coinsided with the drop of writing talent and the best sports writers these days have gone to other sports, compare the guys like mcilvanny, schulberg to todays muppets

[catasyou]

In all the fuss over Ortiz chucking it and not making any attempt to hide the fact in the interview after the fight, i think folk are getting carried away in their praise for Maidana. Yes, he's tough, a hard puncher, good chin, but i terms of technical ability he's not all that great. People are forgetting Ortiz had him in big, big trouble early in the fight and had it not been for the bell then he would no doubt have finished Maidana off.

This is a difficult fight for Khan style-wise, of course, but its equally difficult for Maidana. I doubt Ortiz threw 10 jabs in the whole fight. He was outboxing Maidana but chose to trade big shots. Khan wont be making those mistakes. He wouldnt quit like that either.

True.

But if Khan stands and trades with Maidana this would be over in 1 round.

[mcguirpa]

For me this is more winnable for Khan than it might appear at first glance after the Ortiz fight. Ortiz made him look good by fighting a stupid fight. Having said that Maidana landed 4 absolutely monster shots flush on Ortiz in the 5th. Anyone of those would have put Khan's lights out.

[brown bomber]

Ortiz couldn't lace up Khans boots.

[Guy]

This fight "should" be next up for Khan should he beat Kotelnik.

Having just watched Maidana again it seems to me that this is a nightmare style match-up for Khan, a guy who keeps coming forward (and keeps getting up) no matter what you throw at him, throws punches in bunches and those punches are thrown with lethal intent, throws equally well to body and head, tough as nails, punches well on the inside and in the clinch etc etc..............

I think Kotelnik is a good style match-up for Khan.

However, Maidana looks a terrible match-up for him.

Thoughts?:think

I've never seen him fight yet but i'll shall be watching the Maidana/Ortiz fight on the train home tommorow. From what i've read he likes to smash peopleup which doesn't suit Amir very well:shock:

[brown bomber]

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[widdy]

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interesting article by Kevin mitchell of the guardian

mitchell shits on the other boxing writers btw especially the gay porn (ufc) lover of the telegraph

what a load of tosh,fuck me mate blaming the london bombings on khans hate.
and trying to say he did nowt wrong by driving his car through a red light and running some bloke over,then saying ,in a roundabout way,the bloke drank him self to death through depression is a load ot bollox :nono

i watched that fight with maidana,he would get to khan sooner or later,as would most world class boxers,which will be khans downfall everytime he steps up:bbb

[KCD]

I think we should see if Khan can get past Kotelnik, and if anything Kotelnik should start favourite.

If Khan beats Kotelnik then maybe the Maidana fight could be made.

AT this stage i say Maidana by ko.

[D-MAC]

In all the fuss over Ortiz chucking it and not making any attempt to hide the fact in the interview after the fight, i think folk are getting carried away in their praise for Maidana. Yes, he's tough, a hard puncher, good chin, but i terms of technical ability he's not all that great. People are forgetting Ortiz had him in big, big trouble early in the fight and had it not been for the bell then he would no doubt have finished Maidana off.

This is a difficult fight for Khan style-wise, of course, but its equally difficult for Maidana. I doubt Ortiz threw 10 jabs in the whole fight. He was outboxing Maidana but chose to trade big shots. Khan wont be making those mistakes. He wouldnt quit like that either.

And I think some folk have got carried away by Khan's win over a washed-up/moving up in weight/one-eyed Barrera, and acting like all of a sudden he's some kinda slick master boxer with the tools to stay out of harms way against guys his own size or bigger for 12 rounds, posting shut-out wins and turning fights into exhibitions of his amazing skills, displaying to the max the art of hitting without being hit.

And of course he has Roach in his corner, who has recently turned into "God" himself.:D

[Jeff Young]

Khan would be in survival mode, and he would not survive.....

in a few years we will have maidana vs bradley for lineal once pac retires....

[Flea Man]

Khan would be in survival mode, and he would not survive.....

in a few years we will have maidana vs bradley for lineal once pac retires....i really hope so. one kotelnik rematches maidana the winner can fight bradley/campbell. this would establish the 'real' 140lb champ as pac is not really part of that division but part of a division between 140 and 145..........'super-fight weight'

[UndisputedUK]

Maidana KO1

:lol: I'd like to see the low odds of that happening.

Maidana dismissed Khan completely. :yep

[widdy]

:lol: I'd like to see the low odds of that happening.

Maidana dismissed Khan completely. :yep

just watched fight again sober,khan will not get up off them 1st round shots off either guy:bart

funny in interveiw with maidana he more or less said khan is easy option:yep

[Paddy]

This fight "should" be next up for Khan should he beat Kotelnik.

Having just watched Maidana again it seems to me that this is a nightmare style match-up for Khan, a guy who keeps coming forward (and keeps getting up) no matter what you throw at him, throws punches in bunches and those punches are thrown with lethal intent, throws equally well to body and head, tough as nails, punches well on the inside and in the clinch etc etc..............

I think Kotelnik is a good style match-up for Khan.

However, Maidana looks a terrible match-up for him.

Thoughts?:think

D-MAC

THis match up is Khans WORST nightmare.

The only way i can see khan winning is if he gets on his bike and peppers Maidana with the jab all night.

It will take emense concentration by Amir to pull it off because if he lapses he will get caught and then its goodnight Irene.

[smjm089]

So, after all this 'I want to be World champion', Khan will probably ditch his belt as I can't see ****** allowing him to fight a mandatory like Maidana.Surely that cant happen That would be a disgrace if it did whats he going to do for the rest of his career if that happens move up and down in weight whenever a hard fight comes along it would be embarrasing i dont like Khan that much but i dont think hed want to do that but maybe FW would want to so the golden goose could keep the the money rolling in on SBO etc.

[UndisputedUK]

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interesting article by Kevin mitchell of the guardian

mitchell shits on the other boxing writers btw especially the gay porn (ufc) lover of the telegraph

It's not racism saying that Khan has no chance of the big time Championship because he cannot take a punch, utter rubbish. In nearly all of the fights he has taken where the opponent has at least tried to win he has been rocked, wobbled, dropped or knocked out. These fighters were not really world class let alone KO merchants. He's been hyped up and given all the opportunites going, he never even won the gold medal. Yet now he finds himself challenging for what they admit is the easiest route against one of the weakest champions. Most people on here would love Khan if he had any sort of durability, but sadly he's getting chances that much better pro fighters may never get. Basically after all the hype, money and promotion he could fail miserably and thats why people want to see him getting knocked out. He's not bothered about what people think as long as they buy a ticket or the Sky PPV.
Khan deserves credit for coming back from the Prescott loss and it's a wise move to choose one of the best trainers, but I find it hard to see how he can be improved. Every opponent knows that he's vulnerable so will try and exploit it. Moving up to 140lbs may make his chin a bit better, but he is against bigger fighters and bigger hitters, so the gain may not be an advantage after all. If he beats Kotelnik, and I admit, Kotelnik isn't the best by far, what is there for him? A hard first defence against Maidana? A big fight against Hatton? There is money to be made, but I'm afraid that unless there has been a Lazerous like recovery in his punch resistance, he's going to be Ko'ed more than he wins in the next few fights.

[izmat]

I watched the Ortiz-Maidana fight yesterday on sky sports and I can't see Khan beating Maidana.That guy has some serious power !

Unimpressed by Ortiz and shocked by his post match cooments - I can't beleive so many ppl were rating him so highly !

[widdy]

I watched the Ortiz-Maidana fight yesterday on sky sports and I can't see Khan beating Maidana.That guy has some serious power !

Unimpressed by Ortiz and shocked by his post match cooments - I can't beleive so many ppl were rating him so highly !

:thumbsup


just on your picture,is that one of Michael,s special little freinds:hey

[Guy]

I watched this yesterday, shit it was on Sky Sports?

Oh well, firstly Ortiz don't like it when it's not going his way does he.

He'll give up on the sport after another loss like that.

Maidana's short sharp chopping punches look dangerous though, Khan would have to box on the outside the whole fight picking him off with fast precise shots.

[destruction]

I just love talking about Khan because he is the biggest fraud in UK boxing since Fraudly. He has no chin, no movement and lifts his chin in the air to get hit, he also has no punch resistance, so he regularly gets decked by guys 2 weight classes below him with less than a 30% KO record. Also by huys so shot they should be in a medical clinic for brain disorders.

Fraud, Fraud.

Loving to see him against someone who is a champion and can punch.

This will go 8 rounds and then he gets KTFO.

[TFFP]

I wouldn't say he has a terrible style for Khan. He isn't a typical pressure fighter that is methodical, closing the ring off with good footwork and lateral movement, or a good inside fighter. He's just a rough and tumble guy with a lot of raw power, and underrated timing. Ortiz traded too much. Khan could possibly outbox him for long periods.

Not as bad of a style as Juan Diaz for example.

The problem is one punch and Khan is out, so he can't make any mistakes. And well..it takes a brave man to bet on a guy lasting 12 without taking punches.

[rockandrollstar]

I expect Khan to return to 135 after beating Kotelnik.

Unless FW pays Maidana off

[icemax]

This is the type of general reaction that makes me fucking howl with laughter. If it had been Khan in the ring with Ortiz the other night and he had been put on his arse three times before coming back and taking the win then a majority on here would have been calling him a chinny cunt who got the lucky win.

[Beeston Brawler]

This is the type of general reaction that makes me fucking howl with laughter. If it had been Khan in the ring with Ortiz the other night and he had been put on his arse three times before coming back and taking the win then a majority on here would have been calling him a chinny cunt who got the lucky win.

:yep

[icemax]

:yep

:D It is fucking annoying though...the Argie went down twice to shots I could have taken FFS

[almsn]

SkySports
Amir Khan is re-focusing his thoughts on Andreas Kotelnik after the Ukrainian's former opponent won last weekend.
Marcos Maidana went down to a narrow points loss to Kotelnik in their title fight in February, but returned with an emphatic sixth round stoppage of the promising Victor Ortiz.
The performance emphasised the merit of Kotelnik's impressive win against the Argentine and Khan says he will be taking his opponent very seriously when he challenges him for the WBA light-welterweight title on July 18.
"Maidana's win at the weekend shows you just how good Kotelnik is," said the 22-year-old.
"Everyone was talking about Ortiz as the next big thing in boxing, but Maidana just walked him down.
"He punches hard as well, so I know that I'm going to have to do something special to KO Kotelnik - and I will.
"I saw the fight and it was an impressive victory, and shows just how good I need to be if I am to become a world champion.
"Some fighters would get worried about it, but it's just inspired me. I was working twice as hard with Freddie (Roach) in the gym the next day."
Khan is refusing to look beyond his clash with the Ukrainian and is focused on the fight.
"It would be really stupid to start thinking about other fights," Khan told frank******.tv. "I am fully focused on beating Kotelnik, and haven't even looked at any potential future opponents.
"Everything has been geared to winning on July 18 and I am confident that's what is going to happen

[catasyou]

This is the type of general reaction that makes me fucking howl with laughter. If it had been Khan in the ring with Ortiz the other night and he had been put on his arse three times before coming back and taking the win then a majority on here would have been calling him a chinny cunt who got the lucky win.

In a gun fight like that Khan would have gotten KO'd.

[icemax]

In a gun fight like that Khan would have gotten KO'd.

Truth of the matter is that Maidana went down to two nothing shots, and Ortiz is a quitting bitch

[Beeston Brawler]

Ortiz did bottle it yes, it wasn't like Cotto who had been bashed up by Margarito first.....

The one thing you cannot question with Khan (other than speed) is his heart and bottle.....

[catasyou]

Truth of the matter is that Maidana went down to two nothing shots, and Ortiz is a quitting bitch

Maybe they weren't super loaded power shots but they were pinpoint and accurate and we know Ortiz has power.

And Khan has a glass chin.

[icemax]

And Khan has a glass chin.

They were nothing shots, however well timed and accurate...Khan would have gone down, and Maidana did...one is being hailed as the next wild bull of the pampas and the other is laughed at as being chinny...go figure

[Flea Man]

Maidana wasn't even stunned. He got back up and with the NEXT PUNCh he floored Ortiz.

Who was hurt? Ortiz was.

Maidana was dropped, but that's because he was fighting a fast and powerful fighter. If it was Khan then Ortiz would've scored a 1 rnd K.O

[catasyou]

Maidana wasn't even stunned. He got back up and with the NEXT PUNCh he floored Ortiz.

Who was hurt? Ortiz was.

Maidana was dropped, but that's because he was fighting a fast and powerful fighter. If it was Khan then Ortiz would've scored a 1 rnd K.O

I agree.

[Guy]

Could Khan make Ortiz 'No Mas' too?

[icemax]

Could Khan make Ortiz 'No Mas' too?

To be honest, after all the hype, especially surrounding Ortiz, I wasn't very impressed with either of them.

[p.Townend]

This would be a very bad fight for Amir.I doubt he would even seriously consider it.Maidana is totaly the wrong type of opponent for him.It could end very quickly.