Your Dream Boxing Book; What's In It?

[Ted Spoon]

Good day to you all,

Eastsideboxing has always been a top place to ask advice. In the prestigious 'classic section' virtually every poster has something new to say, an interesting take on a fight or an unknown piece of information to shed new light on old subjects.

That's why for the third time running yours truly is asking for your individual preferences for a future publication.

Fighters, fights, statistics, stories, bare knuckle, training. Whatever comes to mind; what would you like to read about or learn?

Any replies are much appreciated.

Ted.

[AlFrancis]

Good day to you all,

Eastsideboxing has always been a top place to ask advice. In the prestigious 'classic section' virtually every poster has something new to say, an interesting take on a fight or an unknown piece of information to shed new light on old subjects.

That's why for the third time running yours truly is asking for your individual preferences for a future publication.

Fighters, fights, statistics, stories, bare knuckle, training. Whatever comes to mind; what would you like to read about or learn?

Any replies are much appreciated.

Ted.

Are you Ted as in Ted "the Bull" Sares?

[EireFightFan]

A contemporary account of what life was like for the coloured fighters such as Molineaux, McVea, Jeanette, Blackburn and Langford, who came up by way of Battle Royales, facing the colour line and extreme prejudice.

Unforgivable Blackness - the story of Jack Johnson was such a compelling read that anything in a similar vein would be fascinating IMO.

You thinking of writing one?

[Cmoyle]

I'd love to read a good biography on any of the following men: Jack Blackburn, Young Griffo, the Nonpareil Jack Dempsey, Harry Wills, the original Joe Walcott, Jersey Joe Walcott (one is in the works already), or Marvin Hagler to name a few.

I think a book that included chapters on many of the greatest, but in some cases lessor known fights, in history would also be interesting. Fights like the 49-round contest between Sam McVey and Joe Jeannette in France for example.

Or a book about murdered boxers comprised of chapters surrounding the murders of men like Stanley Ketchel, Bummy Davis, Bill Brennan, etc.

[Chinxkid]

I like a back-story, regardless of what the front-story is, and whether it is a non-fiction book about boxing, politics or musicians. I want the story behind the story, the why and the how versus the when and the what...

[cotto20]

any news on when jersey joe walcott's book is coming out?

[Cmoyle]

The one I'm aware of is just beginning to be written, so no idea when it might be finished.

[cotto20]

The one I'm aware of is just beginning to be written, so no idea when it might be finished.

any news on who is writting the book?

[GPater11093]

Ted i think abook with just stories from the old time boxing scne would be great.

Just short ones like John Garfields ones. Like just intresting ones see the old timers views on fighters aswell.

JG i was reading hands of stone and i see you desribed Duran taking his nuts out in the middle of a gym

[Mendoza]

Any book with new information

[la-califa]

Plenty of Pic's of scantily Clad Ring Card Girls!! LOL!!

[SteveO]

A comprehensive biography of Jerry Quarry, including what he was doing with himself between his ill-fated comeback and the time period between that fight and his death.

[AlFrancis]

I'd love to read a good biography on any of the following men: Jack Blackburn, Young Griffo, the Nonpareil Jack Dempsey, Harry Wills, the original Joe Walcott, Jersey Joe Walcott (one is in the works already), or Marvin Hagler to name a few.

I think a book that included chapters on many of the greatest, but in some cases lessor known fights, in history would also be interesting. Fights like the 49-round contest between Sam McVey and Joe Jeannette in France for example.

Or a book about murdered boxers comprised of chapters surrounding the murders of men like Stanley Ketchel, Bummy Davis, Bill Brennan, etc.

Boxing Babylon is a good read, talks about Ketchel and his murder goes through to Tyrone Everett

[la-califa]

Interested to read on how Black fighters/Champions were treated in the U.S. & Abroad. in the period before the 1960's.

[GPater11093]

la califa i like the ring card girl suggestion

Ted how about fight reports of older fights like Leonard vs Mclarnin, Canzoneri vs Ross 1 etc..

[la-califa]

Stylistic information on fighters there is no film footage of.

[dpw417]

Ted Spoon, I'd like to read an indepth piece on Carlos Monzon.

[TheIronMan]

Stylistic information on fighters there is no film footage of.

This is a great one!, there are so many great fighters spoken about and no footage exists. So to learn about their styles in good detail would be a very interesting read indeed!.

[Ted Spoon]

Are you Ted as in Ted "the Bull" Sares?

Different Ted, AlFrancis.

>Should have said, but this is will be a one-of-a-kind encyclopaedia, which details from the beginning to the present. A revised history lesson spliced with a story.

There will be hundreds of sizeable profiles for fighters of all weights with footnotes for the changes in training through the decades.

There shall be an explanation and relation of London prize rule fighters to Queensbury fighters.

There will be a detailed explanation on the science behind fighting and medical explanations.

There will also be a great chunk of reformed fights stories derived from multiple sources.

So there will be room for pretty much anything you can think of. Any fight, and fighter, any story, what say you?

[AlFrancis]

Different Ted, AlFrancis.

>Should have said, but this is will be a one-of-a-kind encyclopaedia, which details from the beginning to the present. A revised history lesson spliced with a story.

There will be hundreds of sizeable profiles for fighters of all weights with footnotes for the changes in training through the decades.

There shall be an explanation and relation of London prize rule fighters to Queensbury fighters.

There will be a detailed explanation on the science behind fighting and medical explanations.

There will also be a great chunk of reformed fights stories derived from multiple sources.

So there will be room for pretty much anything you can think of. Any fight, and fighter, any story, what say you?

Sounds good, looking forward to reading it. I like the sound of the reformed fight stories derived from multiple sources.

[McGrain]

Holman Williams would be in it.

[fists of fury]

Different Ted, AlFrancis.

>Should have said, but this is will be a one-of-a-kind encyclopaedia, which details from the beginning to the present. A revised history lesson spliced with a story.

There will be hundreds of sizeable profiles for fighters of all weights with footnotes for the changes in training through the decades.

There shall be an explanation and relation of London prize rule fighters to Queensbury fighters.

There will be a detailed explanation on the science behind fighting and medical explanations.

There will also be a great chunk of reformed fights stories derived from multiple sources.

So there will be room for pretty much anything you can think of. Any fight, and fighter, any story, what say you?

Sounds great, although such a book would have several hundred pages...not a bad thing, just saying.

I personally like the idea of a bunch of short stories, no more than a page or maybe two at most, per story.
There's thousands of boxing tales just waiting to be written.

I think we've all been pretty entertained by John Garfield's stories, and those of Bigcat and others.
Stuff like that in one volume would be great.

[Ted Spoon]

Thank you all for your input.

[Minotauro]

A book on the Barbados Demon Joe Walcott would be great.

[Robbi]

A book about Pernell Whitaker.

[la-califa]

Undercover, background information on some of these judges , who given out some of the worst decisions ever! An undercover Boxing corruption expose.

[GPater11093]

Sounds great, although such a book would have several hundred pages...not a bad thing, just saying.

I personally like the idea of a bunch of short stories, no more than a page or maybe two at most, per story.
There's thousands of boxing tales just waiting to be written.

I think we've all been pretty entertained by John Garfield's stories, and those of Bigcat and others.
Stuff like that in one volume would be great.

yeh them short stories are great.

Read Angelo Dundees: a view from the corner book it has lots of these great stories

A book on the Barbados Demon Joe Walcott would be great.

:yep

A book about Pernell Whitaker.

heard hes a complete prick and probably wouldnt give a fuck

Undercover, background information on some of these judges , who given out some of the worst decisions ever! An undercover Boxing corruption expose.

that would take a whole 600 million volumes to cover

[wansen]

Of course it's been written already but A. Pryor's book is quite a read....he really opens up admitting things that VERY few men would.

[Chinxkid]

Of course it's been written already but A. Pryor's book is quite a read....he really opens up admitting things that VERY few men would.

Like what? I'm interested.

[heehoo]

A complete bio of Barbados Joe Walcott would be nice.

[BoppaZoo]

Ive read Angie Dundee's book well the first 3 chapters (So Dont Telle me Any) so far and mate it is awesome.

What a book i love books like this.

[GPater11093]

Ive read Angie Dundee's book well the first 3 chapters (So Dont Telle me Any) so far and mate it is awesome.

What a book i love books like this.

yeh it is good the stories are amazing in it.

[Ted Spoon]

Are there any particular fights you would like to see covered in detail?

[McGrain]

Are there any particular fights you would like to see covered in detail?

If that's a general question, then i'd love to see what the what is with the massive Williams-Cocoa Kid series and how Kid was able to dominate Holman so completely.

[Ted Spoon]

If that's a general question, then i'd love to see what the what is with the massive Williams-Cocoa Kid series and how Kid was able to dominate Holman so completely.

Do remember you speaking of that about a year ago. Will look into it.

[McGrain]

Do remember you speaking of that about a year ago. Will look into it.


Cool.

Cocoa Kid is an interesting character. There are some that say he was Cuban, not Rican, and that he came from Cuba with Kid Chocolate but remained when Chocolate was deported, assuming the name Cocoa Kid. It's a story, don't know if it's true.

He was also involved in one of the most rotten fixes in one of the most rotten era in the most rotten city in the history of boxing, the Oakland Billy Smith debacle in LA.

[Ted Spoon]

Cool.

Cocoa Kid is an interesting character. There are some that say he was Cuban, not Rican, and that he came from Cuba with Kid Chocolate but remained when Chocolate was deported, assuming the name Cocoa Kid. It's a story, don't know if it's true.

He was also involved in one of the most rotten fixes in one of the most rotten era in the most rotten city in the history of boxing, the Oakland Billy Smith debacle in LA.

Aye, there's a lot to play about with there.

Any other fights of interest? All contributions are much appreciated.

[McGrain]

Aye, there's a lot to play about with there.

Any other fights of interest? All contributions are much appreciated.

Well from the point of view of the "pugilist specialist" reader you couldn't ask for more. He tustled with Burley, Moore, Lytell, Wade, Chase, Jackie Wilson, Slugger White, Holman Williams, Izzy Jannazo, Leto, Furr, Eddie Booker, Chalky Wright the list goes on and on. He fought everyone.

Then there was the mooted charity match with Sugar Ray, which Sugar Ray ducked out of...that is interesting.

But I think the main point of interest for this fighter are the Smith fight and the Williams series. The Smith fight was one of the most notorious dives in history. Cocoa Kid was a "business" fighter - a fighter in the control of nafareous someone. He did what he was told, wore the cuffs. But against Williams he was let of the leash...

Holman Williams has one of the best resumes in boxing history. Kid dominated him. Was Cocoa Kid a vulnerable Cuban swept up by the first manager to approach him? Or was he more complicit in his own downfall as a top fighter, which I genuinely believe he was in spite of his patched record.

Of course, I could be way off, maybe he just had a style thing over Williams. But it is an interesting story.

[GPater11093]

Are there any particular fights you would like to see covered in detail?

Ted this book is really getting me excited.

Robinson vs Gavilan 1 or 2
Pep vs Saddler 2 (and 1 for that matter)
ill think of afew more in time

There is one thing i would like to see a review of the WWs in the 50s it was a dodgy era but filled with great talent but always has that cloud of the Mafia hanging over it.

Cool.

Cocoa Kid is an interesting character. There are some that say he was Cuban, not Rican, and that he came from Cuba with Kid Chocolate but remained when Chocolate was deported, assuming the name Cocoa Kid. It's a story, don't know if it's true.

He was also involved in one of the most rotten fixes in one of the most rotten era in the most rotten city in the history of boxing, the Oakland Billy Smith debacle in LA.

I have always thought he was Cuban, didnt know he was supposedly Rican, i have seen pictures of him with all the Cuban greats and always thought of him as Cuban.

Aye, there's a lot to play about with there.

Any other fights of interest? All contributions are much appreciated.

Cocoa kid seems an intresting guy

Well from the point of view of the "pugilist specialist" reader you couldn't ask for more. He tustled with Burley, Moore, Lytell, Wade, Chase, Jackie Wilson, Slugger White, Holman Williams, Izzy Jannazo, Leto, Furr, Eddie Booker, Chalky Wright the list goes on and on. He fought everyone.

Then there was the mooted charity match with Sugar Ray, which Sugar Ray ducked out of...that is interesting.

But I think the main point of interest for this fighter are the Smith fight and the Williams series. The Smith fight was one of the most notorious dives in history. Cocoa Kid was a "business" fighter - a fighter in the control of nafareous someone. He did what he was told, wore the cuffs. But against Williams he was let of the leash...

Holman Williams has one of the best resumes in boxing history. Kid dominated him. Was Cocoa Kid a vulnerable Cuban swept up by the first manager to approach him? Or was he more complicit in his own downfall as a top fighter, which I genuinely believe he was in spite of his patched record.

Of course, I could be way off, maybe he just had a style thing over Williams. But it is an interesting story.

This guy seems amazing ill be sure to check him out

[he grant]

I would like to see an Adam Pollock style book on the heavyweight Black Dynamite group of Langford, Jeanette, McVey, Johnson and Wills ... a fat, detailed addition that includes his exceptional newspaper style format so maybe we can get more concrete details of the battles between these men as well as their other big fights ....

[McGrain]

I would like to see an Adam Pollock style book on the heavyweight Black Dynamite group of Langford, Jeanette, McVey, Johnson and Wills ... a fat, detailed addition that includes his exceptional newspaper style format so maybe we can get more concrete details of the battles between these men as well as their other big fights ....

Janitor will pop a chubby if he sees this post.

[Cmoyle]

"I would like to see an Adam Pollock style book on the heavyweight Black Dynamite group of Langford, Jeanette, McVey, Johnson and Wills ... a fat, detailed addition that includes his exceptional newspaper style format so maybe we can get more concrete details of the battles between these men as well as their other big fights .... "

Without going to the trouble of writing a book, it would be possible for a number of parties to join forces and put together a compilation of newspaper fights reports in chronological order of all the fights involving these men. For example, I have most of the newspaper reports of Langford fights against Johnson, Jeannette, McVey and Wills, and those could easily be cut and pasted out of my master document, and then others who had newspaper reports of fights between the other men could insert those where appropriate. If there was a place to store this information we could pretty easily start to compile it.