Pound for pound, give me three of the below

[Mendoza]

This thread is designed for difficulty and thought. With luck I might pick up a thing or two on the below fighters.

If you had to pick among the following fighters on any type of greatest fighters list and could only pick three who would they be and why?

-Manny Pacquiao
-Emile Griffith
-Salvador Sanchez
-Pernell Whittaker
-Roy Jones
-Bernard Hopkins
-Floyd Mayweather
-Julio Cesar Chavez
- Aaron Pyror

[WhataRock]

Pernell
Roy
Griffith

Whats the criteria exactly though..who you considered the highest p4p out of those fighters, or who is your favorite?

[Mendoza]

Pernell
Roy
Griffith

Whats the criteria exactly though..who you considered the highest p4p out of those fighters, or who is your favorite?

The only condition is you can only pick three of the list. Try not to pick favorites. Griffith is an interesting call. He lost a lot in his prime, but he also beat some quality fighters.

I add my three in later.

[Lee Mc]

Hopkins - He might not be to everyone's tastes but to me dominating your division for so long deserves respect. Moving up 2 weight divisions to win the Ring title and then beating the Ring Middleweight Champion in his early 40's also prove that he was something special.

Chavez - I don't think he was as good as people believe but, once again, his achievments speak for themselves.

Jones Jr - Not really my third choice which would have been Sanchez. However, with Sanchez dying tragically young we are left with too many questions about him. He might have been a bright star for a few years and then had a high profile demise but we'll never know...

Jones dominated a division for years and then went on to win a segment of the Heavyweight title. O.k, questions will always be asked about the level of opposition and fights that didn't happen and people will always suspect, quite rightly in my opinion, that Ruiz was taylor made for him and he would have got battered by Lewis but he still made history.

Mayweather and Pacquiao may, when their careers are over, replace 2 of the above.

[Mendoza]

You can only list three, Lee Mc

[Lee Mc]

You can only list three, Lee Mc

I did, Hopkins, Chavez and Jones...

[cotto20]

Whitaker
Chavez
Jones Jr

Very Hard To Pick

[WhataRock]

The only condition is you can only pick three of the list. Try not to pick favorites. Griffith is an interesting call. He lost a lot in his prime, but he also beat some quality fighters.

I add my three in later.


He had an excellent career though..the fact he dropped the ball a couple of times says more about his quality of opposition then it does about him.
His resume is about as deep as you will see..as he really took on just about all the best fighters of his era and beat a hell of a lot of them.

As for my other choices...

Pea is one of the best fighters I have seen period. Certainly one of the best pure boxers and defensive specialist..and perhaps has the best jab of any fighter I have seen. Plus he has the career to back it up and is a lock for top20 alltime IMO.

Roy is also one of the best fighters I have seen...very few if any beat this guy at his best 160-168.

Out of all of them Pea would be only one there who I would consider a favorite...I think he is the greatest out of all you mentioned, with Griffith IMO the next greatest on that list.
Roy probably doesnt have their resume..Id probably have him just behind guys like Sanchez, Chavez and Pac alltime..But H2H he is probably the better figther, probably the best outside of Pea on that list.

[Mr Butt]

not in any order i would pick ,hopkins learned his trade and became a very clever fighter who worked his opponents out and won with the least risk.
whitaker used his speed and footwork to out box the best and wanted to fight the best around.
chavez a complete warrior but as the two above used his skills to the best of his abilities

[PowerPuncher]

My top 3 on the basis of proven ability

Whitaker - Proved to be better than Chavez, unbelievably dominant, best defensive fight of all time
Jones - literally superman, unbeatable in his prime at his prime weights, great fighters barely lay a glove on him
Mayweather - better than Chavez from 130-140 ability wise, will prove to be better than Pacquaio if/when they fight

[teeto]

Pound for pound, so i'll do this as in, say these fighters are all involved in the same era, who would likely be in the top three spots of the pound for pound list. Or i would do it in terms of head to head (or ability, so to speak), but for arguments sake i'll say that in this era they have all had an equal opportunity to prove their ability against good opposition, so both aspects of my list are one in the same.

Okay,

Whittaker,
Mayweather,
Sanchez.

I really had a hard time picking, for me Manny Pacquiao is truly great, and Hopkins also, but these fighters i picked above have never once been on the end of a schooling in their primes, well Sanchez beat everyone he fought. To be honest it's just too difficult.

[Flea Man]

Pea, Jones, Hopkins.

[the cobra]

Who I rate the highest for H2H ability

Whitaker
Jones
Chavez

Griffith would be on the list as to who I rate the highest as ATG's, probably 2nd behind Whitaker. He had a lot of close calls go his way though, and overall I'm a bit more impressed by peak Chavez on film.

[Danny]

Can't pick three. If it was four....

[PunchOut]

Chavez
Sanchez
Pea

[GPater11093]

-Manny Pacquiao - a 6 weight world champion with linear ship at 5, a modern day legend has to get in on achievements

-Emile Griffith - fell short at the top top level to be considered great by me

-Salvador Sanchez - died to young dosent have as much established achievements as the rest

-Pernell Whittaker - amazing fighter head to head, the most skilled of his time

-Roy Jones - never held a world title, never ofught a real challenge compared to the others

-Bernard Hopkins - i wish i could but he hasnt done enough compared to the rest

-Floyd Mayweather - im a huge FMj fan but he aint done enough

-Julio Cesar Chavez - gets in because of his resume its simply amazing, also H2h hes pretty decent too

- Aaron Pyror - didnt do enough

[Minotauro]

Whitaker
Chavez
Griffith (by far the best resume of the bunch)

[Sweet Pea]

--Emile Griffith - fell short at the top top level to be considered great by me

:-(

[lefthook31]

Whitaker
Jones
Mayweather

Speed kills and beats anything at its best.

[lefthook31]

-Manny Pacquiao - a 6 weight world champion with linear ship at 5, a modern day legend has to get in on achievements

-Emile Griffith - fell short at the top top level to be considered great by me

-Salvador Sanchez - died to young dosent have as much established achievements as the rest

-Pernell Whittaker - amazing fighter head to head, the most skilled of his time

-Roy Jones - never held a world title, never ofught a real challenge compared to the others

-Bernard Hopkins - i wish i could but he hasnt done enough compared to the rest

-Floyd Mayweather - im a huge FMj fan but he aint done enough

-Julio Cesar Chavez - gets in because of his resume its simply amazing, also H2h hes pretty decent too

- Aaron Pyror - didnt do enough
Roy Jones never held a world title?
middleweight champion
super middleweight champion
undisputed LH champion
hevyweight champion
the fastest fighter ever to lacem up there was no challenge. going from middle to heavy was quite the challenge

[Bill Butcher]

This thread is designed for difficulty and thought. With luck I might pick up a thing or two on the below fighters.

If you had to pick among the following fighters on any type of greatest fighters list and could only pick three who would they be and why?

-Manny Pacquiao
-Emile Griffith
-Salvador Sanchez
-Pernell Whittaker
-Roy Jones
-Bernard Hopkins
-Floyd Mayweather
-Julio Cesar Chavez
- Aaron Pyror


Chavez
Whitaker
Mayweather

Very hard choice but I believe those 3 are the best along with RJJ but I could only pick 3 so someone has to sit out.

[Minotauro]

Surprising so few mentioned Griffith.

[butler08]

Griffith
Jones
Hopkins

[PH|LLA]

Pac, Pea, and RJJ

[ripcity]

Pernell Whittaker
Roy Jones
Floyd Mayweather

[Mendoza]

Whitaker
Jones
Mayweather

Speed kills and beats anything at its best.

This is how I see it too. A little shaky on Mayweather. He needs to defeat Pacman.

[Rattler]

Pernell Whitaker - not only was he dominant until he became a cokehead, but he did it to such a degree that he never seemed to lose a round.

Bernard Hopkins - a head-to-head king, the kind of fighter who's skill and talent goes beyond the constraints of a mediocre level of competition against his prime, to make his accomplishments almost secondary to his talent.

Emile Griffith - the leap from welterweight to middleweight (at a championship level) is incredibly difficult and Griffith pulled it off.

[Hank]

Chavez, Hopkins (for longevity more than being that great) and I'll go with Pacman for number 3. IMO Griffith is extremely overated.

[WhataRock]

Chavez, Hopkins (for longevity more than being that great) and I'll go with Pacman for number 3. IMO Griffith is extremely overated.


How so?

[GmoNavarro]

I would go with( in no order)

PEA
CHAVEZ
JONES JR

[McGrain]

Pernell
Roy
Griffith


Yeah.

[DINAMITA]

This thread is designed for difficulty and thought. With luck I might pick up a thing or two on the below fighters.

If you had to pick among the following fighters on any type of greatest fighters list and could only pick three who would they be and why?

-Manny Pacquiao
-Emile Griffith
-Salvador Sanchez
-Pernell Whittaker
-Roy Jones
-Bernard Hopkins
-Floyd Mayweather
-Julio Cesar Chavez
- Aaron Pyror


IMO, the three greatest from that list are (in order):

Pernell Whitaker
Emile Griffith
Roy Jones

However, a win over Cotto would put Manny Pacquiao into third place.

For me Sweet Pea is a clear first, and Griffith's resume, longevity and achievements make him a strong second.

For now Jones edges third over Chavez, with Pacquiao in fourth (a win over Cotto would be huge for Manny, it would catapult him up my list a fair way).

[Ezzard]

Griffith
Sanchez
Whittaker

[DINAMITA]

IMO, the three greatest from that list are (in order):

Pernell Whitaker
Emile Griffith
Roy Jones

However, a win over Cotto would put Manny Pacquiao into third place.

For me Sweet Pea is a clear first, and Griffith's resume, longevity and achievements make him a strong second.

For now Jones edges third over Chavez, with Pacquiao in fourth (a win over Cotto would be huge for Manny, it would catapult him up my list a fair way).

I'll give you my 1-9's as well since I'm bored at work.

P4P
1.Whitaker
2.Griffith
3.Jones
4.Chavez
5.Pacquiao
6.Hopkins
7.Sanchez
8.Mayweather
9.Pryor

Purely Ability
1.Whitaker
2.Jones
3.Hopkins

4.Griffith
5.Mayweather
6.Sanchez
7.Chavez
8.Pacquiao (I expect him to rise by career-end though. The beast is evolving)
9.Pryor

I feel far more confident in my p4p order than my ability order though. How can you separate Griffith, Mayweather and Sanchez? Three totally different equally brilliant fighters.

[PunchOut]

P4P
Chavez
Sanchez
Whitaker
Jones
Pacquiao
Griffitt
Hopkins
Mayweather
Pryor

Purely Ability
Whitaker
Jones
Sanchez
Mayweather
Chavez
Hopkins
Griffitt
Pacquiao
Pryor

[JonesHagler]

Jones, Hopkins, Whitaker

[JonesHagler]

P4P
Chavez
Sanchez
Whitaker
Jones
Pacquiao
Griffitt
Hopkins
Mayweather
Pryor

Purely Ability
Whitaker
Jones
Sanchez
Mayweather
Chavez
Hopkins
Griffitt
Pacquiao
Pryor


I'm sorry but I have no idea why you have Sanchez so high on the P4P list....He was way too young to really even rate, also he was at featherweight his whole career. He only beat Wilfredo Gomez and Danny Lopez x2....that's it.


I'm guessing your spanish.

[Hank]

How so?


Griffith? He had better management connections to get better fights, and more title chances than others, and press loved him, giving him positive coverage all the time. He was very good, not great though.

[WhataRock]

Griffith? He had better management connections to get better fights, and more title chances than others, and press loved him, giving him positive coverage all the time. He was very good, not great though.


So by that criteria are modern fighters exempt from being great aswell? Because thats basically what happens once you reach PPV status in the modern time. Guys like Oscar De la Hoya get to pick and choose who they fight and can basically command any fight they want..the media give them most of the attention.

Regardless of how he got them Emile still won most of those fights..and at times was shafted when fighting in other guys hometowns..but also at times got his fair share of controversial decisions.

He already held wins over Florentino Fernandez, LMR, Denny Moyer and Ortega before he even got the title..which is impressive in its own right.

The top shelf wins, the longevity, the depth..his resume screams greatness to me..Not top tier level greateness, but someone who has earnt the right to be called great.

[My2Sense]

Pacquiao
Whitaker
Chavez

[GPater11093]

:-(

he never really established himself as a great at WW or MW. He arguably got beat by LMR in every fight. He lost to Monzon and Napoles at MW and WW respectivly and these were the best of the times.

Roy Jones never held a world title?
middleweight champion
super middleweight champion
undisputed LH champion
hevyweight champion
the fastest fighter ever to lacem up there was no challenge. going from middle to heavy was quite the challenge

he never held a linear title. and they are all that i count