Jake LaMotta .Vs. Roberto Duran

[la-califa]

A motivated Duran, like the one who fought Hagler or Barkley at 160. How would he do in a battle of wills against LaMotta?

[Sweet Pea]

He'd likely get beaten up and lose a decision over 15, though he'd have his moments at times.

[teeto]

I have to pick LaMotta on points, a strength and quality issue, rather than just a strength issue, which is not enough to beat Duran imo.

[Stonehands89]

Duran was inordinately strong, for a natural LW. He was exceptionally skilled. Lamotta? That's a tough one. Strength isn't enough to beat him -Barkley proved that forevermore. Lamotta's skills are underrated although not in the same class as Duran. If he had power, I'd go with him without hesitating. As it is, I'm hesitating.

I suspect that Duran would tire late because of the pressure and drop a split. He'd look damn good though. When he was inspired and close enough to prime, he always fought well, and no man between 135 and 160 would embarass him or beat him up.

[PowerPuncher]

This was done a while ago, I think Duran might be able to edge it. Duran is the better boxer, defensively far superior, better timing, better punch technique. Lamotta is stronger at the weight and ofcourse the relentless pressure figther we all know. Stylistically Duran always did well against fighter who came to him so this fight suits him in that sense.

Duran is smaller/weaker but Robinson was 150 or under for all but 1 of his victories.

Zivic was between 149-151 for all of their close close contests with Lamotta weighing 155-161. I think Duran is far more a formidable opponent at 160 than Zivic is at 149-151.

Height and reach is basically the same and Duran ofcourse would use his sze more effectively. Strength wise I don't think Lamotta is as strong or harder hitting than Barkley

Duran Close UD

[Stonehands89]

This was done a while ago, I think Duran might be able to edge it. Duran is the better boxer, defensively far superior, better timing, better punch technique. Lamotta is stronger at the weight and ofcourse the relentless pressure figther we all know. Stylistically Duran always did well against fighter who came to him so this fight suits him in that sense.

Duran is smaller/weaker but Robinson was 150 or under for all but 1 of his victories.

Zivic was between 149-151 for all of their close close contests with Lamotta weighing 155-161. I think Duran is far more a formidable opponent at 160 than Zivic is at 149-151.

Height and reach is basically the same and Duran ofcourse would use his sze more effectively. Strength wise I don't think Lamotta is as strong or harder hitting than Barkley

Duran Close UD
Good post.

[teeto]

Let's just let Duran weigh 147 then and come in and be the first to get a clean ko over prime Jake! Hahaha, kidding.

[GPater11093]

Duran was inordinately strong, for a natural LW. He was exceptionally skilled. Lamotta? That's a tough one. Strength isn't enough to beat him -Barkley proved that forevermore. Lamotta's skills are underrated although not in the same class as Duran. If he had power, I'd go with him without hesitating. As it is, I'm hesitating.

I suspect that Duran would tire late because of the pressure and drop a split. He'd look damn good though. When he was inspired and close enough to prime, he always fought well, and no man between 135 and 160 would embarass him or beat him up.

he did great against Hagler but then tired but against Barkley he came on strong at the end so how do we definitly know he will tire

[la-califa]

he did great against Hagler but then tired but against Barkley he came on strong at the end so how do we definitly know he will tire
Hagler put on alot more pressure & definatley made Duran work harder. Plus the Hagler fight was 15 rounds. Barkley fight was 12.

[GPater11093]

good point forgot it was 12 rounds. stupid me i watched it last saturday as well

i think Barkley put more pressure on. But haglers pressure was more intelligent

[la-califa]

good point forgot it was 12 rounds. stupid me i watched it last saturday as well

i think Barkley put more pressure on. But haglers pressure was more intelligentYeah, & I think Duran looked alot more motivated against Barkley. When he's in that mindset. Duran is a very dangerous opponent.

[GPater11093]

Yeah, & I think Duran looked alot more motivated against Barkley. When he's in that mindset. Duran is a very dangerous opponent.

im not sure Duran was motivated for Hagler too and i just finished Hands Of Stone and his trainers thought he was motivated.

Im of the belief this was Durans best performance vs Hagler






































Excluding Leonard 1 of course

[TheGreatA]

Duran always did well against fighters such as LaMotta. It's not impossible that he could do something like what Zivic was able to do to LaMotta, outsmart him in a battle mostly fought on the inside, despite a size disadvantage.

In a 15 round fight I'd be quite confident in LaMotta outworking an older Duran however but not entirely. Duran could come up with magic at times.

[mcvey]

A motivated Duran, like the one who fought Hagler or Barkley at 160. How would he do in a battle of wills against LaMotta?

Not very well, Jake would be too strong for him .imo he would walk through all |Duran's shots and go to work on Duran's belly to take a dec.

[Sweet Pea]

Duran was as motivated as he'd ever be against Hagler, and fared as well as he ever would.

[laxpdx]

I'd take LaMotta by late stoppage. Duran would be fearless as always, but the pressure of the bigger, stronger LaMotta will ultimately be too much for him.

[mcvey]

Hagler put on alot more pressure & definatley made Duran work harder. Plus the Hagler fight was 15 rounds. Barkley fight was 12.


I thought Hagler fought a rather subduded fight ,and showed Duran too much respect.It appeared to me that Duran was getting by on bluff in the later rounds, a marvellous performance from him , but Hagler never called his bluff ,imo.

[Stonehands89]

I thought Hagler fought a rather subduded fight ,and showed Duran too much respect.It appeared to me that Duran was getting by on bluff in the later rounds, a marvellous performance from him , but Hagler never called his bluff ,imo.
Excellent insight, mcVey.

[Stonehands89]

I'd take LaMotta by late stoppage. Duran would be fearless as always, but the pressure of the bigger, stronger LaMotta will ultimately be too much for him.
Duran was stopped once before he was 47 years old by Lamotta's physical and stylistic opposite in Hearns.

Duran ain't gonna be stopped by Lamotta. I respect your right to an opinion but at the same time gotta call you on this.

[Bill Butcher]

A motivated Duran, like the one who fought Hagler or Barkley at 160. How would he do in a battle of wills against LaMotta?

Lamotta on pts, the size would equal... & then some... the skill gap.

[Bill Butcher]

im not sure Duran was motivated for Hagler too and i just finished Hands Of Stone and his trainers thought he was motivated.

Im of the belief this was Durans best performance vs Hagler


Excluding Leonard 1 of course

Palomino, Dejesus III, Moore, Barkely & Cuevas were all at least as good + he won those.... but taking opponent quality into account you could have a case, COULD have.

[robert ungurean]

I like Duran on points.
I think he would outbox and outfox Jake.

[GPater11093]

I thought Hagler fought a rather subduded fight ,and showed Duran too much respect.It appeared to me that Duran was getting by on bluff in the later rounds, a marvellous performance from him , but Hagler never called his bluff ,imo.

Excellent insight, mcVey.

:yep

Duran got Hagler to call that bluff and thats something.

Duran was stopped once before he was 47 years old by Lamotta's physical and stylistic opposite in Hearns.

Duran ain't gonna be stopped by Lamotta. I respect your right to an opinion but at the same time gotta call you on this.

I agree no way Duran is getting stopped i think he is too clever for one to be stopped as LaMotta wasnt exactly a one punch, bye bye Senses puncher.

Palomino, Dejesus III, Moore, Barkely & Cuevas were all at least as good + he won those.... but taking opponent quality into account you could have a case, COULD have.

all great performances and your missing DeJesus 2. But IMO the fact that an ex LW takes a MW champ to the wire is simply amazing.



I have been watching alot of Duran lately and i cant see Jake beating him. Duran was so clever its unbelievable. I think Duran can out box Jake using his crafty skills to lead Jake onto counter punches. The only thing is Durans stamina as it seemed worse at MW. But i think hes clever enough to preserve it in this fight

[mcvey]

:yep

Duran got Hagler to call that bluff and thats something.



I agree no way Duran is getting stopped i think he is too clever for one to be stopped as LaMotta wasnt exactly a one punch, bye bye Senses puncher.



all great performances and your missing DeJesus 2. But IMO the fact that an ex LW takes a MW champ to the wire is simply amazing.



I have been watching alot of Duran lately and i cant see Jake beating him. Duran was so clever its unbelievable. I think Duran can out box Jake using his crafty skills to lead Jake onto counter punches. The only thing is Durans stamina as it seemed worse at MW. But i think hes clever enough to preserve it in this fight
I thought his performance against Barkley was stupendous.