'I learned not to bet against Hopkins long ago'

[Amsterdam]

This is because 'you' and that I mean the ones who sport this phrase, were confident in picks with Trinidad and DLH, two foolish picks that were about up there with DLH over Mayweather.

Discuss this phrase above and it's relevance circa 2004-2005 and it's new coming out in 2007 due to picks with Tarver and Wright.

Don't bet against Hopkins in any scenerio? Or....:think

[magnificentdave]

or you could just wash the sand out of your vagina

[McGrain]

What this statement measn for me personally is only that Hopkins is a cracking ring general. It's basically another way of saying he would never fight a stupid fight or piss you money away by turning up half trained. He's a comsumate pro who is difficult to beat.

And in that sense it's entirely active.

However the Hopkins that fights now was to take on Calzaghe or Kessler, for example, I'd be straight down to the fucking bookies, regardless of what I may or may not think about a prime for prime fight them.

[Amsterdam]

What this statement measn for me personally is only that Hopkins is a cracking ring general. It's basically another way of saying he would never fight a stupid fight or piss you money away by turning up half trained. He's a comsumate pro who is difficult to beat.

And in that sense it's entirely active.

However the Hopkins that fights now was to take on Calzaghe or Kessler, for example, I'd be straight down to the fucking bookies, regardless of what I may or may not think about a prime for prime fight them.

I'd drop a wad on Glen Johnson over Hopkins at this point. Probably Woods also.

or you could just wash the sand out of your vagina

I don't know what to do.

[lillarry]

Hopkins is the master of making you fight his type of fight at his pace. Nobody has really proven to be able take Hopkins out of his comfort zone. Maybe a high volume puncher like Calzaghe can force him fight a pace that he is not comfortable with and that may be his doom

[McGrain]

Hopkins is the master of making you fight his type of fight at his pace. Nobody has really proven to be able take Hopkins out of his comfort zone. Maybe a high volume puncher like Calzaghe can force him fight a pace that he is not comfortable with and that may be his doom


Good post. And another reason i'm furious that Calzaghe never fought Hopkins close to peak. It would have been fascinating for the very reasons you've outlined.

[VIP]

I would not bet against Hopkins due to the reason that he is vastly underrated by the bookies. I would think that if a Hopkins/Calzaghe fight happened then Calzaghe would be a short priced favourite, particularly if he had just beaten Kessler. Which would make a Hopkins pick value for money as he stylistically matches up better against Calzaghe than Kessler.

Yea and Hopkins has 2 losses in the last 14 years and even them fights (against Taylor) could have went his way.

[PH|LLA]

Amsterdam who did you bet on for Hopkins v. Wright? How much money did you make or lose?

[LogDog69]

It's not even like I'm that big of a hopkins fan but I wouldn't bet against the man if he was fighting King Kong. Some how some way he would find a way to win.

[KayEpps]

I see some guys are still betting against B-Hop. Sad.

I would have thought we all learned out lesson by now.

I learned mines in the Tito fight - didn't bet against B-Hop until the Taylor fight. Even then - I thought he did enough to get the victory in the first fight. Hopkins is a beast and a 40+ freak.

His daughter and my son were in the same grade - my girl taught his daughter. To see him on the streets - I would have thought the guy was bigger. He was about my size - which means he stays in shape all year round. He's not one of those guys that just trains for a fight - he trains just to be training. He has too much determination for me to bet against him.

[Amsterdam]

Amsterdam who did you bet on for Hopkins v. Wright? How much money did you make or lose?

Hopkins at 2/1, I had a few hundred dollars on it.:D

However, I don't understand how Wright was valued at 170 as the favourite, to me that was ridiculous so I jumped on it. Hopkins showed his age a bit too much though and it makes me sad that some people needed this fight to see Hopkins' skill and class...

When pre-Tito he was showing immense skill and class by shutting out most competition, solid guys like Vanderpool and Echols, not to mention being the only man ever to stop Johnson. In my opinion the people who really understand where Hopkins is in boxing history followed him through some of his best title defences.

Right now, I'm with McGrain on a younger SMW-LHW champ being in there.

[PH|LLA]

Hopkins at 2/1, I had a few hundred dollars on it.:D

However, I don't understand how Wright was valued at 170 as the favourite, to me that was ridiculous so I jumped on it. Hopkins showed his age a bit too much though and it makes me sad that some people needed this fight to see Hopkins' skill and class...

When pre-Tito he was showing immense skill and class by shutting out most competition, solid guys like Vanderpool and Echols, not to mention being the only man ever to stop Johnson. In my opinion the people who really understand where Hopkins is in boxing history followed him through some of his best title defences.

Right now, I'm with McGrain on a younger SMW-LHW champ being in there.
Sorry to burst your bubble but there isn't a bookie in the world that had Hopkins at 2/1

Who did you bet with, your sister? :lol:

[Amsterdam]

Sorry to burst your bubble but there isn't a bookie in the world that had Hopkins at 2/1

Who did you bet with, your sister? :lol:

What are you talking about? Bookie's everywhere, including sportsbook.com were averaging +160 - +185 the day of the fight. I got exactly +185 at SB.com, which is essentially 2/1.

[China_hand_Joe]

The lessons is don't bet on overhyped American/American based/American promoted midgets against overrated American LWHs.

[IntentionalButt]

It does seem that people confuse proclivity to get done what needs to get done to win with being unbeatable. :think

[China_hand_Joe]

joe foght nobody's till lacy and you act like lacy was the best that america had to offer hopkins wouldve made joe his bitch and roy would've destroyed him ,don't get me wrong i like joe , but i don't like you your a moron.


What does Joe "the best fighter of the last decade" Calzaghe's resume have to do with the topic?

Which is Americans, true to form, being simple enough to bet on former LWs and WWs against Hopkins?


Unless you wish to point out the brainwashed American fans' 'thought processes' would also see them betting on an old, past his best 43 year old vs Calzaghe.

[IntentionalButt]

joe fought manfredo in his last fight to a nd everybody that so that fight know's that was a stupid ass stoppage,cocksucker.

ND? :blood

[China_hand_Joe]

Watch the referee just before he stops Manfredo, it is most amusing.

Of course these day Manfredo is superior to Tarver, and Calzageh did in 3 rounds what it took Hopkins 12 to accomplish.

[IntentionalButt]

in my eyes it was a no decision.:blood:blood
No, in your eyes, assuming you're not on acid and are here on the plane of reality with rest of us, it was a TKO3. In your dreams it was a no decision. Seriously, a ND can only happen if unforeseen circumstances beyond the control of the fighters or officials (such as a freak injury) prevent the fight from coming to a more conventional resolution, and leaving things indeterminate. There was nothing indeterminate about the fight...not only would Peter not have won a single round, he didn't win a single second in the eight minutes they fought. It was an inevitable Calzaghe win, Peter didn't even have a puncher's chance and lost every second of three very lopsided rounds before the fight was called off. You don't like the stoppage, that's fine, you have a case there. But it wasn't like there was unsettled business as to who the better man was. There was no freak external factor. ND? No Dice.

[IntentionalButt]

that fat fuck stop it way to early he didn't take a beating from joe joe was just pepper in em.
You're on another man's land, you don't let yourself fall into a position where he's landing at a high enough percentage to leave any room for doubt that you are adequately defending yourself. Common sense. Peter was too slow to not get peppered, so it doesn't matter that he wasn't hurt. It's the ref's call. You may not agree with his criteria of his call, but it is final. Manfredo brought it on himself by not keeping on his toes and focusing 110% on not getting hit in a situation where he should have known such a result was likely.

[China_hand_Joe]

that fat fuck stop it way to early he didn't take a beating from joe joe was just pepper in em.

Most Calzaghe fans would agree the fight could have gone on longer.

But watch the referee in the background, it is amusing.

[China_hand_Joe]

a class fighter like joe should not be fighting him

Nobody disagrees mate.

[nervousxtian]

Look another thread trying to discredit Taylors opponents from Amsterdam, for no other reason than to try to hype up Joe Clazaghe.

Anyone else surprised?


...to answer the question posted about not betting against Hopkins?

Something about not losing to anyone but Taylor over a decade and a half has a lot to do with it, plus his dirty style is the type to give other fighters fits. Hopkins is a guy who isn't going to be easy to beat by anyone, and though I might favor some guys over him nowadays (including Calzaghe if he beats Kessler) I'd never put money against him.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Watch the referee just before he stops Manfredo, it is most amusing.

Of course these day Manfredo is superior to Tarver, and Calzageh did in 3 rounds what it took Hopkins 12 to accomplish.

:roll:

[BIGTIMETIMMY]

I'd drop a wad on Glen Johnson over Hopkins at this point. Probably Woods also.



I don't know what to do.


typical hopkins hater none of them would beat hopkins in his game not right now but maybe chad dawason so he can get a jermaine taylor decision

[trac209]

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[BIGTIMETIMMY]

hes boring but lets see if he loses anymore fights

[kg0208]

It means that even if I think the other fighter will beat Hopkins, I am not going to place any money on it because there is too big a chance he may find a way to win even when the style works against him.

I think Dawson beats Hopkins. I am not going to spend hard earned money betting on it though.