Why was Bisping so poor?

[radab]

He seemed genuinely scared in there

He was jittering around all over the place, totally burning himself out from nervous exhaustion (Rogan said he looked exhausted at the end of the first)

His fears seemed to prevent him from sane strategy (continually circling into Henderson's power punch)



So what's the deal with his mental state?

Is he's a typical "bully" who is great at dishing out to weaker less skilled guys, but when he's on the other end, becomes overwhelmed by fear?
(his bully boy behaviour to Matt Hamill backs this up)


or you think it was just a great night for Hendo and an off night for Count Bisping?

[Grievesy]

Clearly Bisping just isn't on Hendo's level. He got found out if anything.

[LHL]

I would have loved it to go to ground Hendo would have made him look like an amateur

[Blue145]

Think he just thought 'shit' and couldn't get into a rythm, just seemed overmatched and he knew it.

[HeavyT]

In over his head, realised he had taken Hendo too lightly, not as good as he thought he was.

[scurlaruntings]

He seemed genuinely scared in there

He was jittering around all over the place, totally burning himself out from nervous exhaustion (Rogan said he looked exhausted at the end of the first)

His fears seemed to prevent him from sane strategy (continually circling into Henderson's power punch)



So what's the deal with his mental state?

Is he's a typical "bully" who is great at dishing out to weaker less skilled guys, but when he's on the other end, becomes overwhelmed by fear?
(his bully boy behaviour to Matt Hamill backs this up)


or you think it was just a great night for Hendo and an off night for Count Bisping?
Because Hendo was in the other corner and has made a living out of beating up the best guys in MMA let alone a chump like Bisping. When Bisping was still being weaned off his mother tit Hendo was making a living beating up guys in the early UFC's. I mean c'mon Hendo was fighting heavyweights in Pancrase when Bisping was a kid!!! The guys a fucking stud and was when he was in PRIDE. Hendo knew this was a piece of cake hence all them cheesey grins. Anyone who thought otherwise needs their head examined. Bisping knew he bit of way more than he could chew and he was supposed to be the striker here. No way was he going to KO Hendo. No way was he going to out wrestle him. No way was he going to submit him. So his only tactic was to run..

[scurlaruntings]

I would have loved it to go to ground Hendo would have made him look like an amateurIf it had gone to the ground it would have been worse. Hendo's GnP is brutal. And with elbows in the UFC? I perish the thought...

[Sheehan]

It was like a boy fighting a man, he knew he had nothing to trouble Hendo with.

[Ubersteve]

Yeah, just way out of his depth. Other than Arran, I don't recall anyone saying he wouldn't be.

[Rangersfan1982]

Clearly Bisping just isn't on Hendo's level. He got found out if anything.


Sadly can't argue with that.

[scurlaruntings]

Sadly can't argue with that.
Found out? Look at his fight with Hamil. Bisping looked and fought like garbage against a guy who had ZERO striking ability. He was never exposed because he was never that good to begin with. He was used as the face of UFC because of TUF and Dana giving him the "push". This is what happens when the gulf in class is simply to large to close. Bisping knew that. So did the rest of MMA.

[Ubersteve]

I'm still a bit shocked they didn't try and cash Bisping out with a title fight against Silva over here, though.

[scurlaruntings]

I'm still a bit shocked they didn't try and cash Bisping out with a title fight against Silva over here, though.Never fear Bisping will get fed to Silva at some point. It will be like watching Silva vs Leben. Boy was that fun! :lol::lol::lol:

[codeman99998]

Bisping looked pretty gaunt I thought. Maybe he had trouble making the weight (not that he should have)

[Ubersteve]

Never fear Bisping will get fed to Silva at some point. It will be like watching Silva vs Leben. Boy was that fun! :lol::lol::lol:

Kind of figure he'll do better against Anderson than he did against Hendo. Hendo is a fucking nightmare for him style wise. He'll still obviously lose, but I don't think it'll be a massacre of that magnitude, his strengths are pretty suited to trying to survive against Anderson.

[Boinko]

I would have loved it to go to ground Hendo would have made him look like an amateur

I think he made Bispig look like an amateur without taking him to the ground.

[radab]

It was just a bad night for Count Bisping


Bisping gave Evans all he could handle
Evans KOd Forrest
Forrest decisioned Rampage
Rampage decisioned Henderson


You see??


Don't write off the Count on account of one shitty performance

[chimba]

Whats this thread all about? Did anyone really thought Bisping wouldnt get mauled?

[achillesthegreat]

You can't teach heart.

We know Bisping knows how to fight but he doesn't have the natural confidence to execute an elite fight plan. This is why he fights like a scared amateur boxer in his first MMA fight.

After his fight with that Canadian, I thought the new weight had given him new confidence as he was a big man and could fight how an elite fighter should. However, that style didn't remain and he went back to the scared boxer.

He doesn't have the attributes to pull off the Liddel style - range, timing, power, durability etc

Bisping is a good fighter but unfortunately doesn't have the natural mindset to override his scared style.

[Rico Spadafora]

Because he has no Chin and no heart it is the British way.

[radab]

You can't teach heart.

We know Bisping knows how to fight but he doesn't have the natural confidence to execute an elite fight plan. This is why he fights like a scared amateur boxer in his first MMA fight.

After his fight with that Canadian, I thought the new weight had given him new confidence as he was a big man and could fight how an elite fighter should. However, that style didn't remain and he went back to the scared boxer.

He doesn't have the attributes to pull off the Liddel style - range, timing, power, durability etc

Bisping is a good fighter but unfortunately doesn't have the natural mindset to override his scared style.




I agree with what you say. He seems to be mentally fragile

He would benefit greatly from a top sports psychologist

[bored]

Because he has no Chin and no heart it is the British way.
Fuck off, you want to see no heart, take a look at the American fighters, you want to see heart go look at Carl Froch you inbred piece of shit.

[Rico Spadafora]

Fuck off, you want to see no heart, take a look at the American fighters, you want to see heart go look at Carl Froch you inbred piece of shit.


:lol::lol::lol::lol:

No I will continue to look at Bisping, Khan, Maccarinelli, Haye, Hide, Hatton, Audley Harrison, Cooke, and the rest of your Glass Jawed fighters.

[bored]

How does Khan not have heart. He got his head knocked off and still carried on.
Haye got up of the canvas to win a world title.

The rest of the fighters you mentioned are just shit that doesn't mean they don't have heart, but its alright, you keep talking shit about people who actually have the balls to get in a ring.

[cdnboxing]

Why was Bisping so poor?

Its because he simply isnt very good.

[Aniki]

Bisping was flustered by Matt Hamill's standup FFS. He just isn't that good.

[radab]

Bisping was flustered by Matt Hamill's standup FFS. He just isn't that good.




He's good man

He was shit in the Hamill fight, and shit with Hendo

Loses often serve to make a guy stronger

Bisping's the sort of guy who'll sit down and really anal ize this fight, see where he messed up, and he'll work on that

He has a country riding on his back, he'll want to bounce back from this, and bounce back strong

[jimmie]

Pounding on guys like Jason Day and Eric Shaefer is awhole different world from getting in their with Dan Henderson. Bisping ran away from Chris Leben all night what did you expect vs Hendo ?

[jimmie]

It was just a bad night for Count Bisping


Bisping gave Evans all he could handle
Evans KOd Forrest
Forrest decisioned Rampage
Rampage decisioned Henderson


You see??


Don't write off the Count on account of one shitty performance

And Hendo beat Franklin who beat Hamil who beat Bisping so what.

[Wilhelm]

Pounding on guys like Jason Day and Eric Shaefer is awhole different world from getting in their with Dan Henderson. Bisping ran away from Chris Leben all night what did you expect vs Hendo ?

Yeah, this is it, basically. Bisping looked good when he fought lesser guys and knew he could/should win, but against guys he knows he shouldn't beat he fights not to lose and then loses.

[radab]

And Hendo beat Franklin who beat Hamil who beat Bisping so what.




dont be a bitch man, just trying to put an idea out

[jimmie]

dont be a bitch man, just trying to put an idea out

Well im just saying hes not some badass fighter. He got dominated by Hamil and did not do jack vs Evans why it was a SD ill never understand. Henderson didnt just beat him he fucking killed him start to finish. Bisping is just a pouplar gatekeeper he will beat down C level fighters like Day,Leben,McCarthy ETC but agianst the top guys he wont do anything because he cant wrestle and doesnt have any power.

[LB3000]

I hope the KO humbles him, but I don't know if that will be the case. The guy talks so much shite. Lets see if he fancys a fight with the likes of Wand and Maia (both he has talking shit about) after that KO. When Dan Hardy talked shit abut Davis, at least at the end he admitted why he did. Also, why are people saying Bisping has a glass jaw when this was the first time he has been KO? It not as if he was hit by a crap punch either.

How does Khan not have heart. He got his head knocked off and still carried on.
Haye got up of the canvas to win a world title.

The rest of the fighters you mentioned are just shit that doesn't mean they don't have heart, but its alright, you keep talking shit about people who actually have the balls to get in a ring. Well said. :good

[concrete sledge]

Fucking hysterical. Henderson chases Bisping around the ring with that right hand cocked back and obviously looking to take his head off. I saw that trademark punch coming a mile away, but Bisping didn't. He sucks.

[jimmie]

I hope the KO humbles him, but I don't know if that will be the case. The guy talks so much shite. Lets see if he fancys a fight with the likes of Wand and Maia (both he has talking shit about) after that KO. When Dan Hardy talked shit abut Davis, at least at the end he admitted why he did. Also, why are people saying Bisping has a glass jaw when this was the first time he has been KO? It not as if he was hit by a crap punch either.

Well said. :good

Bisping was also dropped and nearly KOed by Elvis Sinosic.

[scurlaruntings]

Pounding on guys like Jason Day and Eric Shaefer is awhole different world from getting in their with Dan Henderson. Bisping ran away from Chris Leben all night what did you expect vs Hendo ?We seem to be agreeing alot these days. What gives? :think

[concrete sledge]

And Hendo beat Franklin

That is debatable.

[jimmie]

We seem to be agreeing alot these days. What gives? :think

It happens man ive noticed it over the years we agree alot for like 2 months then we get in one our usual verbal fights over the course of 3-4 days then next thing I know we agree on everything agian.

[scurlaruntings]

He's good man

He was shit in the Hamill fight, and shit with Hendo

Loses often serve to make a guy stronger

Bisping's the sort of guy who'll sit down and really anal ize this fight, see where he messed up, and he'll work on that

He has a country riding on his back, he'll want to bounce back from this, and bounce back strongStop talking shit. What country riding on his back? Bisping was shit. Always shit and is still shit. End of story end of thread. That guy wouldnt have lasted even one fight in PRIDE.

[jimmie]

That is debatable.

Rich is my boy but Hendo beat him no doubt IMO. First round he got him down and kept him there for awhile and landed some huge right hands when Franklin was trying to get to his feet. 2nd round he took him down and basically kept him off his back the entire time and kept Franklin from moving his hips or doing anything at all. I know Franklin whooped him in the standup but aside from that 3rd round it wasnt enough in any rounds cause Hendo beat him in the kinda of fight Hendo loves take you down with a clinch throw and grind you out.

[jimmie]

Stop talking shit. What country riding on his back? Bisping was shit. Always shit and is still shit. End of story end of thread. That guy wouldnt have lasted even one fight in PRIDE.

I know ive been saying it for awhile now hes never beat anyone I never understood peoples obsession with him. Shaefer,McCarthy,Sinosic,Day,Haynes are mediocre at best and Leben is garbage if he cant hit you and Bisping ran so much that night Leben couldve have had 10 rounds it wouldnt have mattered.

[scurlaruntings]

It happens man ive noticed it over the years we agree alot for like 2 months then we get in one our usual verbal fights over the course of 3-4 days then next thing I know we agree on everything agian.:lol: I thought so. Well here goes ... FUCK YOU!! :fire (let the flame war commence)

[neil hibbert]

Because he has no Chin and no heart it is the British way.

tosser,

[LB3000]

Bisping was also dropped and nearly KOed by Elvis Sinosic. Forget about that one. Still, I don't think we seen it tested enough to say its "Glass". Not saying it isn't, but its funny because he got KO by a cracking shot now all of a sudden people are saying he has a glass jaw. That was a bad KO though, one like that can mess up a fighter (and their punch resistance). I wanna see Wand vs Bisping, but I doubt think the UFC would do it next. They will probably give him a easier fight.

[jimmie]

Forget about that one. Still, I don't think we seen it tested enough to say its "Glass". Not saying it isn't, but its funny because he got KO by a cracking shot now all of a sudden people are saying he has a glass jaw. That was a bad KO though, one like that can mess up a fighter (and their punch resistance). I wanna see Wand vs Bisping, but I doubt think the UFC would do it next. They will probably give him a easier fight.

I dont think its glass either im just stating theres more evidence of it being possible then just this KO. Hendersons right hand is one of the most legendary and dangerous shots in MMA history so no shame there. I wouldnt be shocked if they did Wand vs Bisping remember they stuck Wand agianst Rich and Chuck when they where all coming off loses then dont mind taking that risk.

[cdnboxing]

Well im just saying hes not some badass fighter. He got dominated by Hamil and did not do jack vs Evans why it was a SD ill never understand. Henderson didnt just beat him he fucking killed him start to finish. Bisping is just a pouplar gatekeeper he will beat down C level fighters like Day,Leben,McCarthy ETC but agianst the top guys he wont do anything because he cant wrestle and doesnt have any power.

I think Bisping is as overrated as anybody right now. Hes just a product the UFC tried to push to represent the UK.

However, he did not get killed in that Henderson fight. He got rattled in the 1st round but settled in nicely and was actually outpointing Henderson until the KO.

Obviously neither of these guys are good strikers, Henderson is terrible but has good power as shown against Bisping but for the duration of the fight he was just throwing that right hand hoping it connected, technically he looked terrible and was embarassing to watch.

Bisping just should not be in there with high calibre opponents.

[cdnboxing]

I dont think its glass either im just stating theres more evidence of it being possible then just this KO. Hendersons right hand is one of the most legendary and dangerous shots in MMA history so no shame there. I wouldnt be shocked if they did Wand vs Bisping remember they stuck Wand agianst Rich and Chuck when they where all coming off loses then dont mind taking that risk.

Even before Bisping got KO's by Hendo I thought he had a bad chin. Maybe not glass but pretty close in my opinion.

He just seems to get rattled too much by non-punchers.

[maximumsg]

to the 2 guys saying bisbing is good and had a bad night your delusional, mark this down he is finished that was one of the top 5 ko's i've ever seen in boxing and mma

[Boinko]

I think Bisping is as overrated as anybody right now. Hes just a product the UFC tried to push to represent the UK.


Also because he won the Ultimate Fighter. Dana White is hell bent on pushing TUF winners and giving them every opportunity to succeed.

[radab]

to the 2 guys saying bisbing is good and had a bad night your delusional, mark this down he is finished that was one of the top 5 ko's i've ever seen in boxing and mma




lol i was one of those 2 guys

but i only suggested that maybe it had been a bad night

it was a brutal KO - on par with Mannys



but i wont write Bisping off so quickly

Sivas contract is nearing its end, Henderson is already 38


Bisping will learn from this

and come back as a major player

[JonesHagler]

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

No I will continue to look at Bisping, Khan, Maccarinelli, Haye, Hide, Hatton, Audley Harrison, Cooke, and the rest of your Glass Jawed fighters.

lol i usually never agree with you but that is spot on what you said. British fighters have the worst chins. British fighters may be good in their country, but when they go to america THEY GET THEIR ASSES BEAT BADLY!

[Stoo]

It seemed to me that Bisping when ever he got tagged, it was more shock than pain (Hendo aside hehe). Im not sayin that there hasnt been occasions when he's be hurt, but its like when he does take a decent shot, he always has that look of 'How the hell did he hit me, Im Mike Bisping'. I hope that Hendo finally ko'd his over inflated ego, or as someone else put it his bully bravado.

[Stoo]

lol i usually never agree with you but that is spot on what you said. British fighters have the worst chins. British fighters may be good in their country, but when they go to america THEY GET THEIR ASSES BEAT BADLY!

I guess you havent watched the Jones/Hopkins v Calzaghe fight. Or the Tyson v Lewis fight, or the Lewis v Holyfield fight, or the Benn v McClellan fight, need I go on?
And I know you probably got examples of Brits losing to Yanks, but we punch above our weight when you consider the size difference

[dwpainz]

man had heard so much about Bisping before the fight and had never seen him fight before , being a brit was looking forward to seeing him in action , man what a letdown theman looked scared to trade and was back footing it the whole fight and ouch what a vicious elbow on top of bisping's face when he was clearly allready sparked out.

[neil hibbert]

I guess you havent watched the Jones/Hopkins v Calzaghe fight. Or the Tyson v Lewis fight, or the Lewis v Holyfield fight, or the Benn v McClellan fight, need I go on?
And I know you probably got examples of Brits losing to Yanks, but we punch above our weight when you consider the size difference
well said, dont forget who owned who aswell im TUF

[Stoo]

well said, dont forget who owned who aswell im TUF

Hehe :good

[JonesHagler]

hey i like Lennox I don't consider him a British fighter since he trained in Canada his whole life...

[Blue145]

hey i like Lennox I don't consider him a British fighter since he trained in Canada his whole life...

do stfu.

[Stoo]

hey i like Lennox I don't consider him a British fighter since he trained in Canada his whole life...

Your shifting the goalposts now, as we say in the UK. Fools like you are better off ignored

[BewareofDawg]

It was just a bad night for Count Bisping


Bisping gave Evans all he could handle
Evans KOd Forrest
Forrest decisioned Rampage
Rampage decisioned Henderson


You see??


Don't write off the Count on account of one shitty performance
Right now The Cunt Bisping is looking at this same MMA Math Equation with a dumb fucking look on his face, countin on his had, trying to figure out what happened :lol:

Bisping is such a cunt! I am still smiling Hendo shut him the fuck up, I hope we never have to hear about him again.

[scurlaruntings]

Bisping is essentially the MMA equivalent of Ricky Hatton. A whole load of hype and nothing else. It was only a matter of time before the gulf in class exposed him hugely and his big mouth couldnt keep up. Watching him strut around the cage like some deranged Peacock audittioning for the latest Guy Ritchie movie was annoying at best. Seeing him KO'ed a few minutes later.. Priceless. Absolutely priceless.

[BoxingFanNo1]

When a b-c+ fighter fights an a-b+ fighter he has to raise his game to a new level. Wether he couldn't or just can't only time will tell....

[scurlaruntings]

When a b-c+ fighter fights an a-b+ fighter he has to raise his game to a new level. Wether he couldn't or just can't only time will tell....
A- B+? Hendo is an ATG. He's a top shelf fighter who's name is already written in the hall of fame.

[Imperial1]

Bisping is essentially the MMA equivalent of Ricky Hatton. A whole load of hype and nothing else. It was only a matter of time before the gulf in class exposed him hugely and his big mouth couldnt keep up. Watching him strut around the cage like some deranged Peacock audittioning for the latest Guy Ritchie movie was annoying at best. Seeing him KO'ed a few minutes later.. Priceless. Absolutely priceless.


Man you took the words right out of my mouth ..On that note who's KO was more burtal ?? I say Heno's over Bispin that last shot on the ground was price less !!!

[james4210]

I was very disappointed with Bisping's performance but I think I know exactly where his head was at. We tend to forget that these fighters are real people too. you and I have bad days where everything is difficult but nothing seems to go right. No one is on top of the world all the time and in the Kills zone.

As a martial artist I really recognize Bisping's skills, and his previous fights have been a masterclass in footwork and blocking. Makes a nice change from the lumbering apes fighting bar style. It was a long time since his last fight and I think all the hype and promotion had softened him up. The bottom line is some fighters need a defeat to get their meaning and focused attitude back.

[Beebs]

Bisping is essentially the MMA equivalent of Ricky Hatton. A whole load of hype and nothing else. It was only a matter of time before the gulf in class exposed him hugely and his big mouth couldnt keep up. Watching him strut around the cage like some deranged Peacock audittioning for the latest Guy Ritchie movie was annoying at best. Seeing him KO'ed a few minutes later.. Priceless. Absolutely priceless.


Very insulting to Hatton; Hatton beat Tyzsu, and was the legit, linear champ. Bisping......:huh

[Ai9184]

Very insulting to Hatton; Hatton beat Tyzsu, and was the legit, linear champ. Bisping......:huh
I agree..very stupid comment..how could you compare hatton and bisping? hah not even close

[BoxingFanNo1]

A- B+? Hendo is an ATG. He's a top shelf fighter who's name is already written in the hall of fame.


Yes I know all about Hendo, ty for your summary. IMO he's not at his peak hence the a-b+. His peak was during his pride days 3-5 years ago. His 3-2 record in UFC testify's to this. I happen to think he's A btw but wouldn't dispute someone suggesting he's a b+ at this point of his career.

[scurlaruntings]

I agree..very stupid comment..how could you compare hatton and bisping? hah not even closeAt which point in my sentence did i compare there career ledgers? (considering one is a boxer and one is a mixed martial artists pray tell where did you find that comparison :roll:) Why infer your OWN interpretation of what i wrote when its clear to read in black and white? Its abundantly clear BOTH men were promoted handsomely. BOTH men were not deserving of the accolades handed to them. BOTH men when faced with their first stern test were annihilated.

[scurlaruntings]

Yes I know all about Hendo, ty for your summary. IMO he's not at his peak hence the a-b+. His peak was during his pride days 3-5 years ago. His 3-2 record in UFC testify's to this. I happen to think he's A btw but wouldn't dispute someone suggesting he's a b+ at this point of his career.Subjective. I wouldnt worry about his record in PRIDE too much as he has losses to Silva and Rampage. Had he fought them under PRIDE rules -even in his prime- he still would have lost. Either way Hendo is leagues ahead of guys like Bisping.

[chimba]

Bisping is essentially the MMA equivalent of Ricky Hatton. A whole load of hype and nothing else. It was only a matter of time before the gulf in class exposed him hugely and his big mouth couldnt keep up. Watching him strut around the cage like some deranged Peacock audittioning for the latest Guy Ritchie movie was annoying at best. Seeing him KO'ed a few minutes later.. Priceless. Absolutely priceless.

:lol:

But how dare you compare Bisping to Hatton, Hatton though never was an elite fighter was a champ and beat some good fighters.

I would compare Bisping to a poor mans version of David Diaz:lol:

I can see Bisping becoming a gatekeeper for the elite gatekeeperes like a Swick, McFedries and such

[jimmie]

:lol:

But how dare you compare Bisping to Hatton, Hatton though never was an elite fighter was a champ and beat some good fighters.

I would compare Bisping to a poor mans version of David Diaz:lol:

I can see Bisping becoming a gatekeeper for the elite gatekeeperes like a Swick, McFedries and such

How is Swick a gatekeeper ? He lost once in the UFC to a huge Middleweight dropped to 170 and has went 4-0 1 more win agianst Kampmann he gets a title shot.

[chimba]

How is Swick a gatekeeper ? He lost once in the UFC to a huge Middleweight dropped to 170 and has went 4-0 1 more win agianst Kampmann he gets a title shot.

But where is Swick going? He's liek a Sanchez, in between weights. He also has been a benefactor of some good matchups.

Hed get outmuscled by a handful of 185'ers and I'm not convinced hes top 5 at WW either and hes not a prospect

[québecwarrior]

Swick is a top 5 at WW in the UFC.
GSP
Fitch or Alves for the second spot
Swick is right there after them
Kos probably take the 5th spot

[cdnboxing]

I think Kampmann beats Swick. And I think Koschecks wrestling gives Swick alot of hell but they would never fight each other because I think they are both at AKA.