Rickson Gracie: "It Would Take Me Longer To Submit Fedor Than Lesnar"

[snakerattle79]

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Fifty year old eighth degree Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt Rickson Gracie has seen his fair share of controversy following his last professional fight in May of 2000.

The mythical submission specialist has claimed to possess a fighting record somewhere in the range of 400-0.

Rickson caught quite a bit of backlash following comments made to Tokyo Sports in which he stated that heavyweight king Fedor Emelianenko had “so-so” technical ability.

The native of Brazil recently revealed to The Rio de Janeiro Times that he feels confident that he would come out on top of a match-up between himself and Brock Lesnar or Fedor, regardless of his age or nine year layoff.

However, Rickson does admit that it would likely take him a little bit longer to submit “The Last Emperor”.

“[Brock Lesnar] is impressive as an athlete, but he has holes in his game like anybody else,” said Gracie. “Technically, he is not as good as Fedor.

“It would take me longer to submit Fedor than it would him

“I am not worried about his abilities. Whether he punches at me on the ground or standing, it is only a matter of time. In some ways, it is easier if he tries to punch at me standing. All the simpler to take him down. It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless”

[BewareofDawg]

It seems the Gracies are too arrogant to realize that this sport THEY PIONEERED has passed them by.

[Blue145]

Somewhat delusional

[amhlilhaus]

the gracies were pioneers. they would be destroyed now, nothing more needs be said. and to think at his age he could win is really out of touch.

[latineg]

maybe rickson is meaning he is could woop both there asses in that new fighting video game ???

oh and just so everyone knowz even though i have a bad back, wrecked shoulder, beer belly and am slighly over age my fighting record is 900-0 and if i trained for a week i could still beat anyone in the world

althought i must admit even though fedor is only so/so he might take me into the 2nd round before i got bored and finished him

[ryanty22]

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Fifty year old eighth degree Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt Rickson Gracie has seen his fair share of controversy following his last professional fight in May of 2000.

The mythical submission specialist has claimed to possess a fighting record somewhere in the range of 400-0.

Rickson caught quite a bit of backlash following comments made to Tokyo Sports in which he stated that heavyweight king Fedor Emelianenko had “so-so” technical ability.

The native of Brazil recently revealed to The Rio de Janeiro Times that he feels confident that he would come out on top of a match-up between himself and Brock Lesnar or Fedor, regardless of his age or nine year layoff.

However, Rickson does admit that it would likely take him a little bit longer to submit “The Last Emperor”.

“[Brock Lesnar] is impressive as an athlete, but he has holes in his game like anybody else,” said Gracie. “Technically, he is not as good as Fedor.

“It would take me longer to submit Fedor than it would him

“I am not worried about his abilities. Whether he punches at me on the ground or standing, it is only a matter of time. In some ways, it is easier if he tries to punch at me standing. All the simpler to take him down. It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless”


then he should take his 58 yrs young ass to dana and tell him he wants a one fight contract to fight brock for the h.w. title and put his money where his big mouth is and step in there with the 6'4 265 lb freakishly fast and strong monster that has dominated randy cotuoure and frank mir and heath herring in back to back to back fights not once in any of those three looking at all beatable and is easily the third best heavyweight in the world by far.if he submits brock then and only then would i even think about the possibilty of him fighting fedor

[Rico Spadafora]

Not one of those Gracie clowns can stand up and fight. They are like watching John Ruiz boring as hell.

[pijo]

Not one of those Gracie clowns can stand up and fight. They are like watching John Ruiz boring as hell.
Well thats not their game is it.

[Beebs]

He makes an interesting point; there are several mathmatical proofs that show some infinities are longer than others.

Maybe the infinity it would take him to submit Fedor would be abstractly longer in theory than the infinity it would take to submit Lesnar.

[Imperial1]

I could see him submit Brock buts thats only if he is able to weather the storm that is Brock !

[Rico Spadafora]

Well thats not their game is it.


I understand that but not one of them has any stand up they are way to one dimensional for the current era of MMA. Things have evolved you need to be well rounded these days it is not 1995 anymore.

Don't get me wrong several of the Gracie's are very good at what they do but from a fan perspective their fights are boring as hell.

[Beebs]

I understand that but not one of them has any stand up they are way to one dimensional for the current era of MMA. Things have evolved you need to be well rounded these days it is not 1995 anymore.

Don't get me wrong several of the Gracie's are very good at what they do but from a fan perspective their fights are boring as hell.

Do you think they give a shit?

They can fight, their style wins fights. Fighting does not exist to appeal to your artistic sensibilities, it exists to win fights.

The problem of most of the Gracies is they are old, or simply just not good enough at their one dimension; Aoki and Kitaoka are much less well rounded than Royce ever was, and they are legit top 5 LW's.

[BewareofDawg]

He makes an interesting point; there are several mathmatical proofs that show some infinities are longer than others.

Maybe the infinity it would take him to submit Fedor would be abstractly longer in theory than the infinity it would take to submit Lesnar.
:rofl
Thats only if Fedor and Lesnar both took a nap next to him every time they knocked him back out cold, then waited for him to wake up...then maybe he'd hav a chance in doing it in infitity years :deal

[Wilhelm]

“I am not worried about his abilities. Whether he punches at me on the ground or standing, it is only a matter of time. In some ways, it is easier if he tries to punch at me standing. All the simpler to take him down. It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless”

Wow, he even thinks he'd be taking Lesnar down. Unreal.

[chimba]

Chris Leben would beat that ass now let alone Brock

[scurlaruntings]

Chris Leben would beat that ass now let alone Brock
Ok lets not get carried away with the hate :nono Rickson has said some bullshit in his time but Leben? Naw.

Rickson's always been an arrogant turd. His standup is awful to watch and akin to those early matches under Marquis of Queensbury when the fighters walked out with there hands out. That being said i dont even find his Jujitsu that impressive.

[BITCH ASS]

Do you think they give a shit?

They can fight, their style wins fights. Fighting does not exist to appeal to your artistic sensibilities, it exists to win fights.

The problem of most of the Gracies is they are old, or simply just not good enough at their one dimension; Aoki and Kitaoka are much less well rounded than Royce ever was, and they are legit top 5 LW's.

You define fighting wrong.

People that wrestle are ascared to get hit.

It's why they wrestle.

That and they hit like girls.

Shit, look at Lidel, he dominated the UFC just using a country sprawl and hayemakers. It's cuz he's not down with the gay shit.

Real men fight on their feet.

And for real, enjoying men in a sexual position is gay.

[scurlaruntings]

You define fighting wrong.

People that wrestle are ascared to get hit.

It's why they wrestle.

That and they hit like girls.

Shit, look at Lidel, he dominated the UFC just using a country sprawl and hayemakers. It's cuz he's not down with the gay shit.

Real men fight on their feet.

And for real, enjoying men in a sexual position is gay.Leave this MMA forum dont come back and while your on your way sign up at Sherdog and post there. Make sure YOU DO NOT come back.

[Nuke]

And for real, enjoying men in a sexual position is gay.



Only a homosexual would think about having sex with a man by watching two men fight on the ground. I am totally secure in the fact that I am a hetero and it never crosses my mind that some positions look sexual. I think you my friend need to get to the bottom of why, when you see two men closer then a handshake away, you think of homosexual sex. :think

[sugarngold]

Eat a dick, haters.

For Fedor and Brock's sake - I hope Rickson stays retired.

[BITCH ASS]

Leave this MMA forum dont come back and while your on your way sign up at Sherdog and post there. Make sure YOU DO NOT come back.

I'm just tellin y'all like it is...

I mean shit......it's obvious.

You like rubbin up against a dudes balls?

I don't.....

That shit is gay...

[scurlaruntings]

Only a homosexual would think about having sex with a man by watching two men fight on the ground. I am totally secure in the fact that I am a hetero and it never crosses my mind that some positions look sexual. I think you my friend need to get to the bottom of why, when you see two men closer then a handshake away, you think of homosexual sex. :thinkWhat were your thoughts on Colemans balls in Bonnars face during the prelims?

[scurlaruntings]

I'm just tellin y'all like it is...

I mean shit......it's obvious.

You like rubbin up against a dudes balls?

I don't.....

That shit is gay...Stupid troll. Doesnt this get boring? You say the same shit again and again looking for a reaction each time you get into a flame war. Each time the result is the same. You must have a an Amoeba for a brain.

[Dantes]

Fedor KO rd1

[Vitor Belfort]

Rickson is tool old now but if he can get lesnar to the ground then i could see him submitting lesnar. As far as fedor getting submitted, i dont think so. He fought noguiera twice and beat him twice. Big nog is known as one of the best bjj in mma.

[Thom]

"Rickson is living in a fantasy world, like star wars"


-Wanderlei Silva

[ufoalf]

Stupid troll. Doesnt this get boring? You say the same shit again and again looking for a reaction each time you get into a flame war. Each time the result is the same. You must have a an Amoeba for a brain.

It doesn't get boring for him because people, you included, respond and pay attention to him. Have you never dealt with an attention whore in your life before?

[Scorpion]

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Fifty year old eighth degree Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt Rickson Gracie has seen his fair share of controversy following his last professional fight in May of 2000.

The mythical submission specialist has claimed to possess a fighting record somewhere in the range of 400-0.

Rickson caught quite a bit of backlash following comments made to Tokyo Sports in which he stated that heavyweight king Fedor Emelianenko had “so-so” technical ability.

The native of Brazil recently revealed to The Rio de Janeiro Times that he feels confident that he would come out on top of a match-up between himself and Brock Lesnar or Fedor, regardless of his age or nine year layoff.

However, Rickson does admit that it would likely take him a little bit longer to submit “The Last Emperor”.

“[Brock Lesnar] is impressive as an athlete, but he has holes in his game like anybody else,” said Gracie. “Technically, he is not as good as Fedor.

“It would take me longer to submit Fedor than it would him

“I am not worried about his abilities. Whether he punches at me on the ground or standing, it is only a matter of time. In some ways, it is easier if he tries to punch at me standing. All the simpler to take him down. It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless”


Fucking guy:rofl 400-0?

Maybe he should fight this guy
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He claims of a record of 200-0 so he is only half as good.....oh wait thats 200-1 now :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[québecwarrior]

Rickson has great BJJ for sure, but he do lives in a world of fantasy like Wanderlei said.

[Dantes]

Rickson Zelenoff: "Ima submit Fedor's ass back into slavery yo".

[Beebs]

You define fighting wrong.

People that wrestle are ascared to get hit.

It's why they wrestle.

That and they hit like girls.

Shit, look at Lidel, he dominated the UFC just using a country sprawl and hayemakers. It's cuz he's not down with the gay shit.

Real men fight on their feet.

And for real, enjoying men in a sexual position is gay.



A) lidell was only able to stay upright due to a lifetime of high level wrestling g

B) real men fight to win, faggots with excuses loss and bitch about rules.

[cdnboxing]

The Gracies are just a bunch of douchebags. Always have, always will.

[socrates]

yes just like royce submitted matt hughes,rickson would submit fedor!!

lol.

[rekcutnevets]

Some of you guys kill me. Most of the people that are on Fedor's jock right now would have been lining up to suck Rickson's dick 15 years ago. It's also convenient for you to scoff now that Rickson is 50, and the sport has watered itself down.

Don't get me wrong, in some way the sport has made advances. The sport has also added time limits, stand-ups, and rounds among other rules. It may have been done for entertainment and safety purposes, but it has created a sport mentality and made the style of fighting into more of a game. Royce would most likely have lost to Dan Severn at UFC IV had stand-ups, round changes, and judging had been involved. That was not the case, because the sport had yet to lose some of its purity.

You will no longer find Rickson Gracie in my MMA top anything, because I don't rank him. He proved himself in a different sport. Royce Gracie doesn't make my list either, because most of his proof was not in today's mma world. Renzo is the only Gracie around my top 10 at the moment.

Laugh at Rickson's 400-0 record all you want. It includes tournaments, fights, street fights, and just about anything Rickson doesn't consider a training session. It also leaves out a loss that happened in a fight due to takedown rule that Rickson said he did not know was in effect. If this is how we're keeping records, put me down for 2-0. I won a couple of Tough Man fights. Still, Ricskon is a pioneer for the sport that has many of you typing away here in this forum. Rickson is also by most accounts, as deserving of his accolades as anyone.

So until you guys can make a time machine to pull a younger Rickson Gracie to the present, and let him fight current fighters under the rules of his time; Rickson sub Lesnar in less time than Rickson subs Fedor.

[socrates]

whos laughing?

we are a sensitive little pin cushion today are we not?

rickson is a hero of mine like rob kaman,dan gable etc but to suggest he could submit both these guys in such a nonchalant way is disrespecting his own legacy,he has seen the progression of the sport and his family have experienced it at first hand i.e my previous post ,you need more than jiujitsu nowadays and he knows that for a fact,no one is disrespecting rickson nor his achievements but to me its like comparing apples and pears (a mma fighter and a jiujitsu practitioner) they are 2 different things now albeit with a common heritage.

[ufoalf]

So until you guys can make a time machine to pull a younger Rickson Gracie to the present, and let him fight current fighters under the rules of his time; Rickson sub Lesnar in less time than Rickson subs Fedor.

Just like Royce sub Matt Hughes. GTFO here, it's a joke if Rickson has a chance to survive one minute with either fighter. Everything you said just makes no sense. The man is delusional if he thinks he can survive more than 2 minutes with either fighter leave alone beat them with a submission with all things considered.

It's just blowing smoke. I can say the same thing and never actually step up to prove shit. So until you can make a time machine to pull a older Ufoalf to the present, and let him fight current fighters under the rules of his time; Ufoalf sub Lesnar in less time than Ufoalf subs Fedor.

[Beebs]

Laugh at Rickson's 400-0 record all you want. It includes tournaments, fights, street fights, and just about anything Rickson doesn't consider a training session. It also leaves out a loss that happened in a fight due to takedown rule that Rickson said he did not know was in effect.

So a multiple time Sambo tournament champ didn't know the most basic rule? His own father laughed at his 400-0 record.

People are amazed by fedor because he is the best, just as Rickson probably was; why is that such a laughable concept?

[Beebs]

So until you guys can make a time machine to pull a younger Rickson Gracie to the present, and let him fight current fighters under the rules of his time; Rickson sub Lesnar in less time than Rickson subs Fedor.

Rickson didn't say "in my prime" he said now. If he said "in his prime" he might, and I stress might, be right. Today, he would get seriously injured.

[sugarngold]

I'm just letting you guys know as the one that's been schooling you on these weekly predictions - Rickson is still a bad man. If he says he sees holes in Fedor's and Brock's games - then that's the way it is. :good

On one hand I'm joking because I love to see your reactions to these types of comments - but on the other hand I still believe Rickson can beat anyone in the world in NHB.

[socrates]

I'm just letting you guys know as the one that's been schooling you on these weekly predictions - Rickson is still a bad man. If he says he sees holes in Fedor's and Brock's games - then that's the way it is. :good

On one hand I'm joking because I love to see your reactions to these types of comments - but on the other hand I still believe Rickson can beat anyone in the world in NHB.are you on medication?

[Beebs]

I'm just letting you guys know as the one that's been schooling you on these weekly predictions - Rickson is still a bad man. If he says he sees holes in Fedor's and Brock's games - then that's the way it is. :good

On one hand I'm joking because I love to see your reactions to these types of comments - but on the other hand I still believe Rickson can beat anyone in the world in NHB.

You believe Rickson can beat anybody in NHB? Based on what exactly? Wandy, Igor, Pele, Kerr, Ruas, Santana, hell Chuck Liddell, and many others have infinitely better NHB records. Rickson's biggest NHB win is Zulu or Duarte on a beach with goons around, and had to edit that video. Renzo has a better NHB, Royce as well.

Rickson would do much better in pure BJJ than NHB, in Vale Tudo he gets hurt badly.

[sugarngold]

You believe Rickson can beat anybody in NHB? Based on what exactly? Wandy, Igor, Pele, Kerr, Ruas, Santana, hell Chuck Liddell, and many others have infinitely better NHB records. Rickson's biggest NHB win is Zulu or Duarte on a beach with goons around, and had to edit that video. Renzo has a better NHB, Royce as well.

Rickson would do much better in pure BJJ than NHB, in Vale Tudo he gets hurt badly.

Rickson's never been defeated nor hurt in any of his fights so what do you base that assessment on? Welcome back to the merry go round Beebs.

[rekcutnevets]

Posted by Beebs
So a multiple time Sambo tournament champ didn't know the most basic rule? His own father laughed at his 400-0 record.
I too was poking a bit of fun at the 400-0 record. Go back and read my post. That's why I made the "Tough Man" remark. Rickson has gone on record with his argument about the Sambo loss.
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You must understand that each tournament was not the same. Not every Sambo tournament has the exact same rules. If I had known that getting thrown on your back was a loss, this would not have happened. If Mr. Tripp would like to fight NHB, I'm sure the promoters could set this up.

[rekcutnevets]

For you guys that keep saying things have changed and Rickson could not compete against these much larger fighters, I say you might be right. Under today's rules, he would not be permitted to do what is most beneficial for a chance at victory.

Now, put today's fighters in real vale tudo rules and they would be in trouble. If fighters from today fought with no rounds, no time limit, and no stand-ups; things would be much different. Take away the chances to escape a dominant position with the sound of a bell. Be aware that all the boos from all the fans in the world will not be prompting anyone let you up. Take away the comfort of playing it safe for a decision. Let the knowledge of knowing you may be in this thing for hours weigh on your brain.

[Beebs]

I too was poking a bit of fun at the 400-0 record. Go back and read my post. That's why I made the "Tough Man" remark. Rickson has gone on record with his argument about the Sambo loss.

Missed the poking fun, but fair play.

His argument though is absolutely a joke. Ippon ends the match in any Sambo tournament in the world, of which Rickson has been champion of several, been in several rule meetings, and KNEW THE DAMN RULES. They werent special, they weren't one off, its a fundamental rule, its as important of a rule as there is.

Besides what was his plan? Get launched onto his head in a fight ending Ippon, then.....what? Its not like he let himself get thrown because he thought the rules allowed it, he got thrown because he wasn't good enough to stop it.

[Beebs]

For you guys that keep saying things have changed and Rickson could not compete against these much larger fighters, I say you might be right. Under today's rules, he would not be permitted to do what is most beneficial for a chance at victory.

Now, put today's fighters in real vale tudo rules and they would be in trouble. If fighters from today fought with no rounds, no time limit, and no stand-ups; things would be much different. Take away the chances to escape a dominant position with the sound of a bell. Be aware that all the boos from all the fans in the world will not be prompting anyone let you up. Take away the comfort of playing it safe for a decision. Let the knowledge of knowing you may be in this thing for hours weigh on your brain.

Are you not getting that people aren't pointing out its the changes in the game; its the changes in HIS 50 YEAR OLD BODY THAT HAS NOT FOUGHT IN OVER A DECADE. Rickson is speaking in the present as in "I could go fight them today, with my current body" Thats the joke.

If he said "when I was your age..." then he would be called slightly bitter but maybe right; but since he isn't saying that, he is called insane, arrogant, suicidal, and disrespectful.

Not to mention Rickson was not exactly the undisputed god of Vale Tudo, he was one of many, and there are several from that era I would lay money to beat him; Wanderlei first and foremost, Kerr, Ruas, Pele, and Renzo if they would fight.

[rekcutnevets]

Posted by Beebs
His argument though is absolutely a joke. Ippon ends the match in any Sambo tournament in the world, of which Rickson has been champion of several, been in several rule meetings, and KNEW THE DAMN RULES. They werent special, they weren't one off, its a fundamental rule, its as important of a rule as there is.
I am not familiar with Sambo's rules. I have read Combat Sambo rules, and don't remember anything about a throw ending the fight. But I am not trying to argue this point. I have never tried to defend Rickson's mythical record. I realize it wouldn't be undefeated, but imagine Dan Henderson's record if he were to include his high school/amateur wrestling matches.

[Beebs]

I am not familiar with Sambo's rules. I have read Combat Sambo rules, and don't remember anything about a throw ending the fight. But I am not trying to argue this point. I have never tried to defend Rickson's mythical record. I realize it wouldn't be undefeated, but imagine Dan Henderson's record if he were to include his high school/amateur wrestling matches.

It's just the balls to try and act like a guy who has competed and won in several sambo (not combat sambo) tournies to not know the rules and expect people to believe him when they told him.

[rekcutnevets]

Posted by Beebs
Are you not getting that people aren't pointing out its the changes in the game; its the changes in HIS 50 YEAR OLD BODY THAT HAS NOT FOUGHT IN OVER A DECADE. Rickson is speaking in the present as in "I could go fight them today, with my current body" Thats the joke.

If he said "when I was your age..." then he would be called slightly bitter but maybe right; but since he isn't saying that, he is called insane, arrogant, suicidal, and disrespectful.

Not to mention Rickson was not exactly the undisputed god of Vale Tudo, he was one of many, and there are several from that era I would lay money to beat him; Wanderlei first and foremost, Kerr, Ruas, Pele, and Renzo if they would fight.
I haven't read the entire interview from which the quotes included by the op come from.

The only thing I'm going to question about your post is Ruas. Really? I believe Ruas to have some quality credentials, but c'mon. Ruas failed to outsrike Taktarov at the Ultimate Ultimate, so I have no doubts about Rickson's ability to close the distance to get a clinch. I believe that from all available footage, Rickson appears to be the much superior grappler. I really don't see an argument for making Ruas a clear favorite.

[Beebs]

I haven't read the entire interview from which the quotes included by the op come from.

The only thing I'm going to question about your post is Ruas. Really? I believe Ruas to have some quality credentials, but c'mon. Ruas failed to outsrike Taktarov at the Ultimate Ultimate, so I have no doubts about Rickson's ability to close the distance to get a clinch. I believe that from all available footage, Rickson appears to be the much superior grappler. I really don't see an argument for making Ruas a clear favorite.

Clear favorite no, but probably even money. He supposedly fought Rickson to a draw in a gym; if thats true, add in the headbutts and brutality probably toned down in the gym, and I could see Ruas winning. Rickson might close the distance, but the actual takedown? Very average for a top level grappler, he takes a lot of attempts to finish them off.

[chimba]

I still give Leben a good chance of beating Rickson

[Bill Butcher]

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Fifty year old eighth degree Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt Rickson Gracie has seen his fair share of controversy following his last professional fight in May of 2000.

The mythical submission specialist has claimed to possess a fighting record somewhere in the range of 400-0.

Rickson caught quite a bit of backlash following comments made to Tokyo Sports in which he stated that heavyweight king Fedor Emelianenko had “so-so” technical ability.

The native of Brazil recently revealed to The Rio de Janeiro Times that he feels confident that he would come out on top of a match-up between himself and Brock Lesnar or Fedor, regardless of his age or nine year layoff.

However, Rickson does admit that it would likely take him a little bit longer to submit “The Last Emperor”.

“[Brock Lesnar] is impressive as an athlete, but he has holes in his game like anybody else,” said Gracie. “Technically, he is not as good as Fedor.

“It would take me longer to submit Fedor than it would him

“I am not worried about his abilities. Whether he punches at me on the ground or standing, it is only a matter of time. In some ways, it is easier if he tries to punch at me standing. All the simpler to take him down. It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless”

Im a big fan of Rickson, I truly believe he is the best BJJ practitioner of all time, his Jiu jitsu is out of this planet & he is actually a brilliant wrestler & solid puncher when on the ground but not standing for some reason but he`s far too old to think he has any shot vs today`s fighters.

I wouldnt rule him out in his prime - tho with the size difference its still a very hard ask - but he`s 50 now & I dont care how well conditioned & disciplined he is, that would be an actual miracle if he beat any elite fighter in MMA rules.

[Bill Butcher]

Ok lets not get carried away with the hate :nono Rickson has said some bullshit in his time but Leben? Naw.

Rickson's always been an arrogant turd. His standup is awful to watch and akin to those early matches under Marquis of Queensbury when the fighters walked out with there hands out. That being said, i dont even find his jujitsu that impressive.

:-(

[rekcutnevets]

I'm not trying to speak for Rickson or anything like that. I don't know him personally, and I don't have any formal background in psychology. We all realize he is at an age that would make his claims seem unlikely if he believes himself accomplishing them in the present time.

Then again, we have to remember he is a fighter. Most good, and definitely great, fighters have the confidence to believe they can defeat anyone. Rickson is still active as a grappler, and I hear he is still amazing. I don't know how competitive in nature his sessions are, but I haven't seen anyone claiming to have submitted Rickson. He may believe himself capable even now.

Conveniently for both sides of the argument, we will never see.

[Beebs]

That being said, i dont even find his jujitsu that impressive.

I really am not jumping down your throat because I think there is at least a plausible argument to be made that the game has advanced very far, just curious what your rational is? Really not looking to pick a fight.

[Beebs]

he is actually a brilliant wrestler

Debatable, very very debatable, at best.

He won wrestling tournaments, but the strength of them is disputed to say the least, so in that sense he was a good wrestler I concede. In terms of taking people down in MMA, he was passable, not good, certainly not brilliant.

[scurlaruntings]

I really am not jumping down your throat because I think there is at least a plausible argument to be made that the game has advanced very far, just curious what your rational is? Really not looking to pick a fight.Iv seen GREAT Jujitsu technique from guys like Penn Aoki Bustamante fuck it even Palhares. But all i ever see from Rickson is sentimental reflection and bravado. I find his entire act pretty annoying.