Khan getting schooled in sparring- for real?

[gallardo]

Ok, I've been an active visitor to this forum for over a year now - visiting the brit forum roughly twice a day 7 days a week yet despite being addicted, I have never felt compelled to register and get in on the banter.

However, i've seen something which has left me absolutely stunned and I need some ESB opinions. :scaredas:

Frank ****** has just put out a video (literally in the last 12 hours) of Amir Khan sparring:

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Is it just me, or does Khan look like a total amateur? I was gunning for Khan to win on saturday but after seeing this i feel sick and i'm not looking forward to Saturday.

Some people on youtube have commented that this could be a ****** strategy to put out a video where Khan deliberately looks bad. Others have pointed out that Roach and Ariza in the background look geniunly concerned at his performance. I personally don't think Khan has the acting ability to pull off a fake sparring session.

Your thoughts- Is this for real? :patsch

[TFFP]

You are right; he looks shit there. Getting tagged at will, WTF are with all the right hand leads thinking he's Roy Jones?

He looks like the Khan that fought Prescott he's so overly ambitious with his work.

At best its Oscar winning acting, at worst its terrible preperation for a big fight.

[DGLASS JAW]

whos the sparring partner?he looks pretty decent

[Mandanda]

I saw some footage last night on sky sports news and he was sparring and he got hit two three times as he came in. He was left with a lil mouse under his eye.

A lot of people say they saw real improvement against Barrera i put myself through that debacle again the other day and i counted numerous times he falls short and was throwing shots for no reason and looking dodgy under pressure from a guy with claret all over his boat race. I still feel Khan has amateur tendencies and a style that has evolved from the amateur ranks and against a wise experienced guy like Kotelnik i think he's in for trouble.

[kosaros]

Nice first post.

Makes me lean closer to Kotelnik now - think the occasion will get to Khan.

[Mandanda]

Nice first post.

Makes me lean closer to Kotelnik now - think the occasion will get to Khan.

I agree and i was going for Kotelnik late but i'm starting to think this could be prescott part two and Khan at mid range throwing shots and getting caught flush and legs going and getting finished within 3.

I just don't see Kotelnik losing his strap i felt this since the fight was made.

[slapsSOgood]

he could do with one of those headguards in the fight.

[kosaros]

I agree and i was going for Kotelnik late but i'm starting to think this could be prescott part two and Khan at mid range throwing shots and getting caught flush and legs going and getting finished within 3.

I just don't see Kotelnik losing his strap i felt this since the fight was made.

I have since it was announced thought the fight was 50-50, now I have to go with Kotelnik at 60-40.

Khan cannot get caught by him when coming in. Khan cannot take Kotelnik out, that I am sure about, so imagine Kotelnik hitting him at will in the later stages of the fight?

[icemax]

Its certainly a strange piece for ****** to put on his website...even stranger thing, the film appears to have been cut a spliced

[Dan684]

I can't see this vid however i'm getting a bit nervous now. I want Khan to win, not because I'm his biggest fan, just because I'd like to see the lad do well for himself after the amount of abuse he's recieved recently despite taking on a very hard task in Kotelnik. Plus he's British (this rule stands for all bar Joe :-))

[TFFP]

Another thing I found bizarre is Freddie Roach claiming the bodyattack with be Khan's key weapon?

Is that really a wise idea :?

[djoc175]

Khans mind is elsewhere,not on the job at hand.In recent interviews he is talking about how he wants to fight Hatton in Vegas:-(

[kosaros]

Another thing I found bizarre is Freddie Roach claiming the bodyattack with be Khan's key weapon?

Is that really a wise idea :?

TFFP are the odds still 5-1 for Kotelnik to win by knockout?

I want Khan to win, but those odds cannot be passed up.

[Chubble19]

Hmm...it looks poor, but on the flip side, how good is Kotelnik? The Maidana result is impressive, but not a huge amount before that....

Personally I think its a fight with 2 very average LWW for a meaningless World Title....definite 50-50 fight, and in my view whomever wins wont shake up the boxing world - they will lose the strap 1-2 fights later....

If they went in with Floyd, Pac, Juan Diaz, JMM, Cotto or heaven forbid even Hatton, they would be beaten convincingly in my view.

[slip&counter]

first of all its surprising they would release a sparring session of this length

secondly, i hate it when people put too much emphasize of sparring and other pre fight stuff, countless fighters over the years have looked terrible in sparring and vice versa and then looked the total opposite in the fight, the whole point of sparring is to rehearse and iron out mistakes

anyone who changes their pick because of that video is a fool

[ishy]

Interesting to say the least. It's like the other guys the main attraction and Khan's playing second fiddle. Any idea who he is? Anyway, at the end of the day it's only sparring and we'll find out how good Khan is on fight night. That said this doesn't look to good for Amir.

Top first post mate, make sure you post more in the future :good

[Mandanda]

I have since it was announced thought the fight was 50-50, now I have to go with Kotelnik at 60-40.

Khan cannot get caught by him when coming in. Khan cannot take Kotelnik out, that I am sure about, so imagine Kotelnik hitting him at will in the later stages of the fight?

Yeah that was what made me feel Kotelnik would win i saw Khan robbing rounds early but buzzing in and out and hitting arms and legs but just outworking Kotelnik then middle rounds Kotelnik starts timing him and catches him on way in and clips Khan and he turns fight into his fight and wins late on or by points at the least but now i see what your saying this could be early night.

[icemax]

Definately a cut and shut job...once at 2:27 and again at 2:30

[leighton]

I read a interview with Roach going a while back saying that the sparring in the gym is to the highest standard with the fighters in the gym. They go at 100% and stop when a fighter gets stuned in the sparring. I see nothing wrong with it Khan needs to get this type of sparring before a World Title fight. I would be more worried if he was destroying his sparing partner.
On record I dont think Khan will win the fight on Saturday night not too sure he will have enough to beat Kotelnik. Kotelnik wont have any worries fighting over in the UK and the pressure will be off him. Khan in the bookies is 4/9 fav for the fight while the champion is at a reasonable price of 7/4. I think the bookies have got this wrong. And I will be taking some money off them this weekend.

[Mandanda]

I think to be honest it's more Roach's idea to show the sparring and i think he's made a error in doing that.

[Claypole]

Another thing I found bizarre is Freddie Roach claiming the bodyattack with be Khan's key weapon?

Is that really a wise idea :?Khan did seem to be going for the body quite a bit in those clips. Got blocked most of the time, though. It was also a bit worrying to see Khan get caught so much, especially by those rather telegraphed jabs.

Roach looked deep in thought throughout, maybe trying to work out a plan B.....or C.

[TFFP]

6/1 William Hill

[D_XZ]

Looks like he's trying to be more measured than when he fought Prescott to me and he his body shots look decent.
I get the impression a lot of the tactical look is put on, like he's been taught to use his skills with tactics and is going through the motions of what he's learned but just isn't really getting it. Just doesn't look a fighter doing his natural thing except when he charges in. Like TFFP pointed out he's not making himself any harder to hit than he was before, left hooks especially are gonna cause him trouble.

[Losfer_Words]

I'm not buying into this- I think it might be a bit of last minute gamesmanship.

[Mandanda]

6/1 William Hill

I thought to myself today i'm betting on this one i feel sure Kotelniks gonna win i'm gonna put a few quid on for sure after this :D

[ishy]

The other guy did seem to be picking off and blocking a lot of Khan's shots. Especially the ones to the body as Claypole said.

[kosaros]

6/1 William Hill

a £10-£20 bet will be on ASAP from me.

I'm not buying into this- I think it might be a bit of last minute gamesmanship.

Possibly, but for it to be gamesmanship I think they would have to put the video out onto television and not just onto youtube - hell, Kotelnik and his team might not even see it or even realise it exists.

[Losfer_Words]

a £10-£20 bet will be on ASAP from me.



Possibly, but for it to be gamesmanship I think they would have to put the video out onto television and not just onto youtube - hell, Kotelnik and his team might not even see it or even realise it exists.

Kos, don't play that card. We all know Kotelnik is a Frank******.tv regular. It's the perfect ruse.

[mike464]

It's Haroon Khan.

[Losfer_Words]

It's Haroon Khan.

:lol:Seriously?

[Kid Lucky]

Mmmm. Why would ****** put this up on his site?

Smelling a rather well tailored rat here.

[Guy]

I shall never pick a fight again until it's started (and I can see the result coming:hey:hey) .....as everyone I seem to back loses recently.

[Guy]

Mmmm. Why would ****** put this up on his site?

Smelling a rather well tailored rat here.


:yepIt wont be the first time duff footage is sent out for the opposite corner to chew on i'm sure.

[izmat]

Khan does look unimpressive

Who is the guy sparring him -he looks alot bigger !

Why would Frank ****** post his sparring session now?

['Ben']

Who was Khan sparring with?

[mountaintrekk]

If this video is not some tactical ploy, Khan seems to have even lost what he had learnt before Barrera. I see the same amateurish Khan lunging recklessly and he moves his head like he wants to get it hit more than when he doesn't move at all, blindly. There's not much use of jab and no in and out movement.

For me the other guy looks a bit bigger though, his legs definitely bigger than Khan's. I am swayed towards betting against Khan now. Should I put to risk my tenner or Khan's boxing career guys?

[HairyHighlander]

Cant see much wrong with this session, he is sparring remember. He is maybe going to get hit, remember.

Sure he is maybe too relaxed.

I was having trouble at first as some of the posts previous were saying how bad he looked, so i kept checking the guy with adidas gloves ( yes i know he is reebok and he would be the one with fullface guard )

He seemed to be blocking a lot and was keen too, the other boy.

Khan looked sharp, he was throwing a few different combos....seemed fine to me.

Then again i aint a trainer.

Sure as shit Khan wont be throwing single rights this weekend.

If anyone changes there fight prediction based on this sparring session, you got to be kidding me.

[djoc175]

delete

[HairyHighlander]

I would be more worried if he was destroying his sparing partner.


Perfect.

:good

[mrbassie]

He's doing enough in that vid to score a stoppage with one of Warrne's refs.
Your bets are safe lads, don't worry.

[gallardo]

Another thing I found bizarre is Freddie Roach claiming the bodyattack with be Khan's key weapon?

Is that really a wise idea :?

TFFP, I agree with Roach on this approach. In the fight against Maidana, Kotelnik mantains a real tight defence - catching the majority of shots on his gloves. However, this leaves his body open for sweet shots. IMHO, if you have speed and power, body shots should be a great way to wear the guy down. (Feel free to challenge me on this theory btw).

Seperately, some people are skeptical about the footage. Part of me feels this way as well - surely Frank ****** would never be stupid enough to "proudly" publish his fighter looking like crap. It would only make sense from an expectations management perspective, i.e:

1) Get everyone losing hope in Khan and expecting him to lose / take a real beating
2) Getting the news across to Kotelnik (word travels fast afterall)

in terms of point 1 above, having everyone expect him to lose and then see Khan put out a steller A+ performance will create much more PR momentum post-fight than an 'expected bookies favourite win.'

As for those who have said, well, sparring is mean't to be all about "ironing out" mistakes - I agree, but sparring less than 7 days before a world title fight should not be about addressing amateur flaws(!). Come on guys!

This is either one clever machiavellian PR stunt (note - it was carried out for a full 3 mins in front of the media) OR it's a sign that the Khan express truly has been de-railed.

I guess we'll find out saturday. :think

[Losfer_Words]

It's Haroon Khan.

I feel the need to bump this quote again. Look at the size of the lad in sparring....

[Claypole]

Khan looked sharp, he was throwing a few different combos....seemed fine to me.

That's not what I was seeing, although I too am not a trainer.

I thought Khan looked sloppy, missing with his own clumsy attacks, whilst getting caught way too much.I reckon this is simply the very worst bits of sparring for Khan, and I'll wager he's been looking a lot better than this.

I'm not quite sure why FW would put this clip up, but if this thread is anything to go by, the betting odds could well end up changing as a result.........

[HairyHighlander]

As for those who have said, well, sparring is mean't to be all about "ironing out" mistakes - I agree, but sparring less than 7 days before a world title fight should not be about addressing amateur flaws(!).



Sparring 7 days before a title fight of this level, i would presume he just " having a move / winding down "

Welcome to the Brit Forum also :thumbsup

[HairyHighlander]

I thought Khan looked sloppy

I guess i meant fast rather than sharp, but thats a given of course.

I wonder how old this vid actually is :huh

[Claypole]

I wonder how old this vid actually is :huhI was wondering whether it was before or after his incident with the cyclist.

[icemax]

I feel the need to bump this quote again. Look at the size of the lad in sparring....

Which one are we talking about...the lad in the red trunks is way too dark to be Haroon, I can't see the face of the lad in the Bolton shirt.

[Guy]

Haroon Khan


that was my first thought too.:huh

[Claypole]

I can't see the face of the lad in the Bolton shirt.Can't really see much of Amir's face either, come to think of it...

[Losfer_Words]

Which one are we talking about...the lad in the red trunks is way too dark to be Haroon, I can't see the face of the lad in the Bolton shirt.

The one wearing a 'Team Khan' tshirt and Amir's shorts. I'm not convinced it's Khan.

[icemax]

The one wearing a 'Team Khan' tshirt and Amir's shorts. I'm not convinced it's Khan.

That doesn't look like Haroon, he is much lighter than that

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[faisal]

like i said hes getting KO'd

[gallardo]

That doesn't look like Haroon, he is much lighter than that

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Haroon looks like one tough cookie. Chizzled face.

[Losfer_Words]

That doesn't look like Haroon, he is much lighter than that

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They got a different dad or something? His face is completely different! Also, it is a darkish room. It wasn't my point, though- I am just the messenger. Even if it is Khan remember that it's sparring- let's see how the fight goes.

[HairyHighlander]

Jus watched again and the only wreckless shit is after 2mins 20 sec or something and around the start when the camera went low, he took an uppercut perhaps ?

I did mention being too relaxed ( not caring ) to some extent, i should of also added " playing for the cameras " with the fancy shit possibly.

Switching southpaw to throw lead rights etc

[Kevin Maree]

Dont read too much into this guys. The last spar can be terrible in alot of training camps. The fights getting very close, the diets kicking in, last chance to try things, etc loads of factors as to why you can have a fighter not looking his best.

[icemax]

Dont read too much into this guys. The last spar can be terrible in alot of training camps. The fights getting very close, the diets kicking in, last chance to try things, etc loads of factors as to why you can have a fighter not looking his best.

Thanks Kevin, its good to get a professional opinion :thumbsup

[PrideOfWales]

Khan's far too relaxed in that video to read anything into it. He won't be like that on Saturday.

[PrideOfWales]

Khan is 7/4 with Ladbrokes to be knocked down at any point in the fight.

[faisal]

i'm not a hater, iv looked at kotelnik quite hard, and he has alot of snap in his punches but his problem is he doesnt throw them as frequently as he should (but this shouldnt be a problem on saturday). he had maidana stunned and hurt on several occasions,
allot of ppl say maidina was robbed whoever says this doesnt know much on how to score a fight or are full of shit (possibly the latter)

[Darni187]

Dr.Roach was saying in a interview shown on SSN today in sparring today we were working on going to the body, they are just working on something here, plus Dr would not tell Khan to go 100% hard in sparing in the last few days to the big fight. The real sparing was done in L.A, this week is just for light work and tuning up on things and working on small details.

[onourway]

I wouldn't advise Khan to go to the body too much.

Throwing to the body is what started the Prescott KO.

But I ain't gonna argue with Roach, if he thinks it's the right tactic, then I'll agree - until Khan gets KO'd, then I'll say I told you so.

[Darni187]

I wouldn't advise Khan to go to the body too much.

Throwing to the body is what started the Prescott KO.

But I ain't gonna argue with Roach, if he thinks it's the right tactic, then I'll agree - until Khan gets KO'd, then I'll say I told you so.

I agree with you about going to the body, it leaves him open and he has to get close to pull it off. I think Dr.Roach is just getting Khan to practice on the shots in this spar, in the real fight of course he will mix it up. But in the early part I would just tell Khan to keep it at range and pick off Kotelnik coming in out of range, and maybe land body shots later on in the fight.

[TFFP]

TFFP, I agree with Roach on this approach. In the fight against Maidana, Kotelnik mantains a real tight defence - catching the majority of shots on his gloves. However, this leaves his body open for sweet shots. IMHO, if you have speed and power, body shots should be a great way to wear the guy down. (Feel free to challenge me on this theory btw).

Seperately, some people are skeptical about the footage. Part of me feels this way as well - surely Frank ****** would never be stupid enough to "proudly" publish his fighter looking like crap. It would only make sense from an expectations management perspective, i.e:

1) Get everyone losing hope in Khan and expecting him to lose / take a real beating
2) Getting the news across to Kotelnik (word travels fast afterall)

in terms of point 1 above, having everyone expect him to lose and then see Khan put out a steller A+ performance will create much more PR momentum post-fight than an 'expected bookies favourite win.'

As for those who have said, well, sparring is mean't to be all about "ironing out" mistakes - I agree, but sparring less than 7 days before a world title fight should not be about addressing amateur flaws(!). Come on guys!

This is either one clever machiavellian PR stunt (note - it was carried out for a full 3 mins in front of the media) OR it's a sign that the Khan express truly has been de-railed.

I guess we'll find out saturday. :think
I agree with the theory in essence, for any normal fighter, but Khan is not normal and there is no point in treating him as such. He has his talents, but clearly he has to guard against being hit whereever possible. A gameplan that consists of going to the body is fraut with danger, you can not throw a shot to the body without exposing your chin unless its a jab to the chest which is likely ineffective for the reasons you mention (Kotelnik high guard). If we see a lot of hooks to the ribs of Kotelnik I think Khan gets stretched out. A more sensible move is to use his jab/right hand almost exclusively, keep circling.

I thought the idea was to minimize risk and use Khan's physical ability...

[cupid]

The guy he is sparring is 6 ft 1 and 160lb so fair enuff he is doing well.

[Farmboxer]

I have a weird feeling about this fight. At first I was for Khan, but now I am not so sure, not because of video/sparring. I still give Khan a slight edge, but he is still unproven which creates a question. Very difficult to pick right now.

[namsu55]

I have a weird feeling about this fight. At first I was for Khan, but now I am not so sure, not because of video/sparring. I still give Khan a slight edge, but he is still unproven which creates a question. Very difficult to pick right now.

Im always going for Khan, but everytime a big fight comes up for him, its hard to see Khan just walking through his opponents, he makes me nervous, especially after Prescott. Im wondering whether Kotelnik will have any shock tactics ready for a big surprise?

[Sai]

Who is the sparring partner though? Looks to be about a MW...

[Sai]

Kotelnik is actually paying 3.25 on betfair at the minute, I couldn't really look past that. He's 4+ for a KO as well.

Although Khan will likely win, I think its a fair bit closer than you can get at the bookies, especially considering Khan's obvious flaws.

[John18]

I think Khan will "do a Hatton" ie forget the gameplan when he gets into the ring and start making little mistakes.

Unfortunately for Ricky he was in with an ATG and a world class fighter who both exploited this. Will Kotlenik be good enough (given Khans speed) to take advantage of this? I say yes. KO3.

[DGLASS JAW]

Haroon Khan


that was my first thought too.:huhNa harron a small dude ...plus harron doesn't fight like that .

[PIPO23]

This is boxing, its the ROach approach you're suppose to get hit. It's the hardening up process.They throw in another sparmate in and out to beat the crap out of Khan.. He'll get rested to re-coop close to the fight and he'll pick up his D on the actual fight.

[firetrap01]

I recognise the other guy's top, its Johan Elmander

[widdy]

This is boxing, its the ROach approach you're suppose to get hit. It's the hardening up process.They throw in another sparmate in and out to beat the crap out of Khan.. He'll get rested to re-coop close to the fight and he'll pick up his D on the actual fight.

no way dus roach want khan to get hit,he would fall like a tree.

there was no beating the crap outa khan there,just a spar,no big punchs going in,looked like a bit of a warm up to me,wouldent take to much from that:good

[lolspud]

Can't be touched
Can't be stopped
Can't be moved
Can't be rocked
Can't be shook

Its hilarious how out of place those lyrics are for this video.

[Glattered Shaw]

Never mind sparring, i hope he is humiliatingly schooled this weekend, before brutally having his glass jaw smashed.

[icemax]

Never mind sparring, i hope he is humiliatingly schooled this weekend, before brutally having his glass jaw smashed.

:dead

[Darni187]

Never mind sparring, i hope he is humiliatingly schooled this weekend, before brutally having his glass jaw smashed.

How old are you mate? you need to fucking grow up.

What with all these Khan haters about?

[David UK]

Ali used to often look awful in sparring. This doesn't mean a thing, it's the fight that counts

[PatrickP]

Never mind sparring, i hope he is humiliatingly schooled this weekend, before brutally having his glass jaw smashed.

Why would you want to see any boxer humiliated?
You sound like you have issues.

[EireFightFan]

[quote=TFFP;4480969]You are right; he looks shit there. Getting tagged at will, WTF are with all the right hand leads thinking he's Roy Jones?/quote]

Looks like he's picked up Pacquiao's habit of throwing those right hand leads, it's a nice punch and could be effective if he uses it wisely and doesn't leave himself open after throwing it.

I agree that he looks bad (probably the worst I've ever seen him) but wouldn't worry too much about it as like a lot of other posters have already said it's common for fighters to look bad in sparring right before fights.

[Glattered Shaw]

How old are you mate? you need to fucking grow up.

27.

I need to fucking grow up because i dislike someone? You need to fucking dismount Khan.

[Darni187]

27.

I need to fucking grow up because i dislike someone? You need to fucking dismount Khan.

You dislike someone, more like you want Khan glass chin to get shattered, pricks you can hate all you want it gets you nowhere in life.

[Glattered Shaw]

You dislike someone, more like you want Khan glass chin to get shattered

Both those statements are true. One is no more true than the next. They dont contradict one another:thumbsup Sorry i dont like one of your idols. TBH it shouldnt really bother you. Are you about 12?

[Darni187]

Both those statements are true. One is no more true than the next. They dont contradict one another:thumbsup Sorry i dont like one of your idols. TBH it shouldnt really bother you. Are you about 12?

No I am same age as you 27, the only difference is I act my age.

[Glattered Shaw]

No I am same age as you 27, the only difference is I act my age.

Your fierce defence of your idol suggests otherwise:good

[Darni187]

Your fierce defence of your idol suggests otherwise:good

And your grown up desire of a young boxer to getting his Glass jaw shattered really shows your 27. :good

[Glattered Shaw]

:lol: I thought this is a boxing forum. If you dont want the prospect of poor little Amir being starched again, maybe he should wrap his chin in cotton wool now and retire it from duty.

[Darni187]

:lol: I thought this is a boxing forum. If you dont want the prospect of poor little Amir being starched again, maybe he should wrap his chin in cotton wool now and retire it from duty.

Yes you are right this is a boxing forum and you can express your views, but when you get people like you keep talking the same old glass chin shit it starts to get boring. You people need to get your own forum 'Glass Chin Boxing' and stop boring us.

[DGLASS JAW]

everyone is entitled to their opinion mate....if he wants to see khan ironed out so be it....imo khans keeping the game alive on these shores..

[Undisputed P4P]

every time khan exchanges punches with another fighter he drops his hands, its a big mistake gavin rees made against kotelnik and khan will too. since he turned professional he has always done it and kotelnik will take advantage and KO him late in the fight.

[TheUzi]

6/1 William Hill

4/1 Hills.....It was 6's on oddschecker. Went to the bank straight after i saw it to put more money down on it but was pretty disappointed to learn its 6/1 points,4/1 tko/ko

[achillesthegreat]

This is good to hear. Couple this with the MAB fight and people can't really complain after 2 genuine 50-50 fights (at least going into the fights they were.).

[SouthpawSlayer]

TFFP are the odds still 5-1 for Kotelnik to win by knockout?

I want Khan to win, but those odds cannot be passed up.

might put 20 quid on that

[icemax]

:lol: I thought this is a boxing forum. If you dont want the prospect of poor little Amir being starched again, maybe he should wrap his chin in cotton wool now and retire it from duty.

Rico, Sir James or whoever the fuck you are, serious question. As you are a boxing fan, which fighters do you actually appreciate? because all I see coming from you is negativity (i'll make a guess, Joe Calzaghe)...not one positive post about anyone (glass jawed, glass hearted etc)

[nufc16]

i think it's a mentality thing. when you know the guy is just there to spar and serve no other purpose than to keep you sharp, it's probably hard for khan to bring his A-game. plus the sparring partner usually goes all out to try and prove something to the established star.

wasnt that long ago that khan was doing well in sparring against manny, a situation where the roles were reversed and khan was trying to prove himself against the big name fighter.

[robpalmer135]

is khan in the black?

[UndisputedUK]

Kotelnik shouldn't be taken out early, unless it's cuts or a bull**** stoppage, the guy has been in with serious punchers at 140lbs.
Khan can be wobbled by average level 130lbs uk fighters, this should equal a Kotelnik stoppage. Also Kotelnik can box, won a silver medal and has excellent experience boxing on the road.
Khan has speed and youth on his side, perhaps height. Kotelnik has durability, experience and stamina on his side. He must realise he can take Khan out.

[destruction]

My thoughts are

1. Sparring means nothing;

2. He will take Kotelnik to school and KO him inside 8 rounds;

3. He needs to work on his in fighting, as this is his weakness, especially his movement going backwards;

4. The chin posters can say what they like, but if he beats Kotelnik he will be in possession of a world strap with massive promotion behind him;

5. His strengths of hand speed and outside offense are easily enough to beat Kotelnik, so long as he sticks to the game plan.

[gallardo]

Interesting little tid bit about the sparring session that this thread is based on.

Sky News interviewer asks Roach about what he thought of Khan's sparring session on monday (the one which is captured on the youtube video in the start of this thread):

"well....er...i didn't like it. I don't want him getting hit"

Sounds to me like the video wasn't a hoax....just an example of Amir's great defence.

Although that said, a lot of the comments made by ESB posters about how fighters don't always perform their best in their last few sparring sessions has given me some hope. I also find Roach's insight about the gameplan quite reassuring.

Here's to a decisive win for Amir and an awesome fight on Saturday! ;-)

Below is the youtube interview with Roach

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[izmat]

You have to take into account that guy Khan is sparring is bigger and impressive handspeed. Kotelnik is much smaller and slower !

[Darni187]

Dr.Roach talking about Khan drained at 135, and not even having a breakfast on the weigh in day, and saying 140 is Khan's natural weight.

I have been pointing this out for months now that Khan was weight drained at 135 but only a few people agreed with me. Being drained also has an effect on your chin, here's one hoping his chin holds up better at his natural weight of 140, if it does improve so many fighters are in big big trouble, but lets get past Kotelnik first which is no easy fight.

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[Glattered Shaw]

Rico, Sir James or whoever the fuck you are, serious question. As you are a boxing fan, which fighters do you actually appreciate? because all I see coming from you is negativity (i'll make a guess, Joe Calzaghe)...not one positive post about anyone (glass jawed, glass hearted etc)

Not rico. Dont know where sir james came from. Yes im a boxing fan.

Fighters i "appreciate" are Kessler, Klitschko (both), RJJ (though he really needs to hang em up), Pacquiao, JMM...

Dont know why you mention Calzaghe, a former fighter...yes, he was one of my favourites, along with Lewis, Benn, Eubank, Duran...

[lolspud]

I'm really tempted to stick a 100 on Khan getting knocked down in the first round. 12/1 odds sound so sweet. Problem is, I know Kotelnik's not the most powerful puncher, and I would say that Khan's gonna be more cautious but honestly, the way he's going on what with wearing a crown and looking like a twat, something tells me he isn't going to be patient at all and is gonna try and go for the knockout.

He'll get caught, but I feel it won't be in the first round.

[nufc16]

what i dont get about the talk of him being weight drained is the fact that it was never really talked about as an excuse after the prescott fight. normally that's the first excuse to come out if a fighter gets knocked out badly and shows no punch resistance at all. you'd think they'd wait to see how khan takes a punch at this weight before talking about this shit.

[Chubble19]

Did anyone see Kotelnik in training today? I saw quicker dead rabbit's than that lad!! He was so ponderous it was scary - Khan will avoid this guy all night I think!

[icemax]

Dont know why you mention Calzaghe, a former fighter...

Because he is the only person I have seen you make a positive statement about

[dan-b]

Notice how Khan has an extra protective head guard?

[sweetclyde]

I don't see how Khan is bad in this session? He is sparring with a bigger guy who looks quick and punching on the counter - if khan can learn fighting a big guy on the counter, surely this will stand him in good stead for a small guy fighting on the counter?

[Glattered Shaw]

Because he is the only person I have seen you make a positive statement about

And how many have i slated?:nut

[Night-Nurse]

On boxrec there saying his sparring partner is Ricky Godding (8-0 prospect @ welterweight)

[mrbassie]

Did anyone see Kotelnik in training today? I saw quicker dead rabbit's than that lad!! He was so ponderous it was scary - Khan will avoid this guy all night I think!

Didn't see it but I remind you that it literally only takes one punch in this particular matchup. Kot might land a jab with eleven seconds to go in the twelfth and score the ko.

[icemax]

And how many have i slated?:nut

Khan, Haye, Froch, Harrison, Hopkins etc...in fact the only other boxer you have mentioned in remotely complimentary terms is Calzaghe, and that only in passing. You just seem too obsessed with michael jacksons sexuality and Amir Khans jaw to be a real boxing fan

[onourway]

Notice how Khan has an extra protective head guard?

It's the week of the fight, they're going to take no risks.

[Farmboxer]

Are the judges neutral?

[Glattered Shaw]

Khan, Haye, Froch, Harrison, Hopkins etc...in fact the only other boxer you have mentioned in remotely complimentary terms is Calzaghe, and that only in passing. You just seem too obsessed with michael jacksons sexuality and Amir Khans jaw to be a real boxing fan

Do you have me confused with someone else? I have barely mentioned Michael Jackson, unless youre actually referring to the jokes i posted (in the MJ jokes thread).

In fact, ive barely mentioned Hopkins either.

Sorry to blow your allegations out of the water there.

[Max Molyneux]

Kotelnik's awful Khan should win this unless his chin fails him.

[icemax]

Sorry to blow your allegations out of the water there.

:huh...No allegation, just a comment that you don't seem much of a boxing fan which is strange given that you are posting on a boxing forum.

[icemax]

Are the judges neutral?

Danish, Spanish and A.N.Other from mainland Europe

[itrymariti]

Interesting little tid bit about the sparring session that this thread is based on.

Sky News interviewer asks Roach about what he thought of Khan's sparring session on monday (the one which is captured on the youtube video in the start of this thread):

"well....er...i didn't like it. I don't want him getting hit"

Sounds to me like the video wasn't a hoax....just an example of Amir's great defence.

Although that said, a lot of the comments made by ESB posters about how fighters don't always perform their best in their last few sparring sessions has given me some hope. I also find Roach's insight about the gameplan quite reassuring.

Here's to a decisive win for Amir and an awesome fight on Saturday! ;-)

Below is the youtube interview with Roach

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The interviewer hasn't got a clue :lol:

[achillesthegreat]

Wow, continously overshooting, offbalance, open to counters etc This was against a guy who's style looks similar to Kotelniks.

[DOM5153]

Bad day at the office???

[DOM5153]

I hope